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00:25 benrob0329 http://imgur.com/a/SSNFy
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06:48 red-005 looks like that minetesthosting.com issues isn't just one server
06:49 red-005 s/issues/issue
07:14 VanessaE red-005: which issue?
07:14 red-005 the server saying you have an unoffical version of minetest when you try to connect
07:14 VanessaE right
07:15 VanessaE who runs that service?
07:15 * red-005 doesn't know
07:17 Zeno` can I have voice?
07:17 Zeno` err nvm
07:17 Zeno` someone put whiteout on my monitor and I couldn't see
07:20 CWz hey Zeno`, VanessaE and others
07:21 red-005 hi CWz
07:30 VanessaE morning CWz, Zeno`
07:34 CWz that the build on minetest.org
07:55 CWz dang my bannaland server is going crazy as i though it would
07:55 CWz well back in the days of 0.4.9 it would have. *drowns his sorrows*
07:56 CWz 200+ server nowadays  and not enough players go play them all
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12:14 VanessaE red-005: ask mransom  :)
12:15 Jordach that;s a bad name to use for a site now, isn't it
12:15 red-005 Jordach, it's a prefectly good name
12:17 CWz uh did i meiss anything
12:18 red-005 just like maf.ai would be a good domain name for a company selling mass flow sensors in Anguilla
12:20 red-005 so who is mransom?
12:21 mransom good morning, everyone, I'm Mark Ransom, I run minetesthosting.com
12:21 red-005 oh ok
12:22 red-005 mransom, have you heard about the security exploit in worldedit?
12:23 VanessaE we discussed it
12:23 mransom yes
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12:33 red-005 anyway why do some of the servers block connections and display that message?
12:34 nerzhul which message ?
12:35 red-005 the one that some minetesthosting servers display about using an unoffical client
12:36 nerzhul oh
12:38 mransom red-005: it looks like someone used the exploit in worldedit_gui to register that message when users join
12:38 mransom I've removed it now, but it was only affecting worlds using a specific mod
12:38 mransom needless to say, I've got some work to do
12:38 red-005 huh I wonder who carried that out
12:39 mransom I've resolved that specific issue, I believe, but the fact that I've been compromised to that degree is quite upsetting
12:43 red-005 mransom, if you are not using mod security you might want to check if they made any other modifications to the system
12:46 mransom yeah, I thought I was using mod security, red-005, but I've definitely got some work to do
12:47 mransom I probably need to start over, if this box appears to have been compromised
12:48 VanessaE that's what I would do
12:48 VanessaE save the worldmaps, auth.txt, bans lists and so on, throw everything else away and start from scratch
12:48 Fixer inspect auth.txt
12:48 VanessaE that too
12:54 Fixer and ban list for new entries
12:55 red-005 Review Everything™
12:56 VanessaE REVIEW ALL THE THINGS! "\:D/
12:57 Fixer red-005: had no crashes yet with your patch
12:57 VanessaE on my servers, the mods are managed from my PC, so if something is compromised server-side, I can restore the clean copy in a couple minutes
12:57 VanessaE (including addressing the vulnerability, of course)
12:57 red-005 Fixer, how often do you get crashes without it?
12:57 nerzhul Challenge everything ?
12:58 red-005 huh maybe you could run one client without it and another with it?
12:58 Fixer red-005: depends on that chinese guy %) could have it fast, or not for days
12:59 red-005 well my change was mostly a blind guess
12:59 Fixer red-005: please post a PR with that patch, so more people can review it, it will take a loooooooooot of time to really confirm it, like week or two
13:00 red-005 it's the same change that is needed to stop minetest from being crashed by unicode in the settings file
13:01 nerzhul we permit Lua to do many things it's time to stop and do things decided by core, not because we can do what we want becaues it's just a mod lolz
13:03 Fixer red-005: it took me like 40 hours to catch crash under gdb...
13:08 Fixer or 50
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14:00 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZh2F18waI maximum gay
14:02 Fixer send this to Krock to
14:02 Fixer o
14:03 benrob0329 RobbieF: mind if I make a meme video with some bits from TPS?
14:04 RobbieF from our show?
14:04 RobbieF or are you referring to our servers?
14:05 benrob0329 it'd credit you guys ofc, and id be willing to license it differently from my normal videos
14:05 benrob0329 Show
14:05 benrob0329 Not a YTP, if that helps :-)
14:05 RobbieF Yeah sure, as long as it is family friendly. This may help: http://category5.tv/feed/thepixelshadow/hd/
14:05 benrob0329 It will be
14:06 RobbieF Please credit "The Pixel Shadow from the Category5 TV Network - minetest.tv" or something along those lines
14:06 benrob0329 Will do
14:06 benrob0329 What license would you prefer?
14:07 RobbieF The license is in the feed I sent you above
14:07 benrob0329 ah
14:07 RobbieF This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License - Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/
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14:08 RobbieF Under the license, I give you permission to monetize the derivative work, royalty free, including assets and music. If you get hit with a copyright claim, just let me know and we'll provide you with the needed text.
14:09 RobbieF ^^ so long as the derivative work is sufficiently different in its overall presentation than the source material, of course. Can't just repost our video  :D
14:09 benrob0329 Thanks :-) I don't have an AdSense account yet though XD
14:09 RobbieF Poor you benrob0329.
14:09 RobbieF you should make that your priority.
14:10 RobbieF why throw away money?
14:10 benrob0329 The 3¢ wouldn't be worth it at this point
14:10 RobbieF we all start at 3c.
14:10 benrob0329 But I probably should...ill add that to the list
14:10 RobbieF :D
14:10 benrob0329 The very long list
14:11 RobbieF meh, put it at the top
14:11 RobbieF I kicked myself when I started making video: didn't have adsense setup and one of my videos went viral.
14:11 RobbieF Lost hundreds in revenue
14:12 benrob0329 Aw, yeah that's probably good to setup
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14:20 CWz hey RobbieF did you update your worldedit
14:20 CWz recently
14:21 RobbieF of course  :D
14:21 CWz good job!
14:21 RobbieF thanks for watching out for us CWz
14:21 CWz no damage right?
14:22 RobbieF no.
14:22 RobbieF but yes, right.
14:34 Jordach RobbieF, reminder that i've got the best rigs in this community
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14:35 Jordach with Blender specifically
14:36 benrob0329 With latest opencl improvements
14:36 Jordach benrob0329, rendered on CPU
14:36 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/V4gEiM1.png
14:36 benrob0329 I don't remember my score...I should redo it
14:37 benrob0329 Nice
14:37 * Jordach loads render kernels
14:38 Jordach >may take a few minutes
14:52 RobbieF Jordach what do you mean re. best rigs in community?
14:52 Jordach RobbieF, a set of templates i made about 2 years ago
14:53 Jordach since i got bored and intergrated PBR into the mix
14:54 RobbieF LOL I'm completely lost. No idea what you're talking about or why you pinged me  :D
14:54 RobbieF maybe I missed something.
14:55 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/H3dgoDm.png ; http://i.imgur.com/6zykVm8.png
14:56 RobbieF That's awesome, but what has it to do with me (you pinged me)
14:56 RobbieF just showing me?
14:57 Jordach might be able to give you a hand with specific blender tool
14:57 Jordach s
14:57 RobbieF what do I have to do with Blender?
14:58 Jordach you might find them useful for thumbnails
15:01 RobbieF oh, for the show?
15:01 RobbieF That's a neat idea, thanks!
15:02 RobbieF I'm no Blender pro, that's for sure.
15:02 RobbieF Easy to do?
15:02 RobbieF Jordach please email me at robbie@category5.tv - will credit you as well. Thanks.
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15:03 Jordach RobbieF, the template iirc is CC0
15:03 RobbieF mind emailing it?
15:03 Jordach one of them is modified to fit bastard textures
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15:45 DS-minetest hi
15:45 * DS-minetest has an idea how to differ worlds client side
16:01 DS-minetest the client gives to the server on first join a number that will be saved in player file server side, this number is counted up after that client side (starting at 0).
16:01 DS-minetest the client can now get this number with a csm
16:02 DS-minetest => the player will have keys for server worlds
16:02 DS-minetest the number won't be the same for each player
16:03 DS-minetest (an unsigned int with a maximum of 2^16 would be enough)
16:04 DS-minetest do you understand what i mean?
16:05 DS-minetest and if yes, what do you think about that idea?
16:05 VanessaE depends what you seek to accomplish with this magic number
16:06 DS-minetest give ids to worlds
16:06 DS-minetest for client
16:06 DS-minetest for csm
16:06 VanessaE nah
16:06 VanessaE just hash the domain (or IP) + port
16:06 VanessaE use that as a unique identifier for the server
16:07 DS-minetest what if this ip or port changes but the same map is used?
16:07 kaeza it works for browsers, doesn't it?
16:07 DS-minetest we need an id for the world and that would perhaps work
16:07 VanessaE then the client initiates a challenge-response to negotiate a new key?
16:08 Calinou <Calinou> I managed to backport Sauerbraten SVN to be compatible with Collect Edition (stable servers)
16:08 Calinou <Calinou> so you get SDL 2 and many fixes (including security ones)
16:08 Calinou <Calinou> I'll put that on GitHub as a base (no other modifications will be done), then work on a simple client mod to add a few things and improve defaults
16:08 Calinou (crossposting from another channel)
16:08 Calinou if anyone plays Sauerbraten ^
16:09 VanessaE client:  "Hey, I have 12345 for you"  Server:  "fuck off, I don't use that now"  Client: "I can haz new key 45678? that looks like you now"  Server: "sure, okay."
16:09 DS-minetest huh?
16:10 VanessaE DS-minetest: nevermind, just kinda jabbering
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16:26 red-001 isn't [off] for off-topic?
16:26 VanessaE no
16:26 VanessaE it's for off-the-record, keeps the chat out of the log
16:26 benrob0329 you will know how your system goes together, but there will be a learning curve
16:26 benrob0329 But its worth it imho
16:27 benrob0329 Before this, I couldnt even think.of compiling my own kernel, now its not even remotely daunting
16:28 VanessaE that's the one part that's standing in my way
16:28 VanessaE I haven't compiled my own kernel in like 10 years
16:28 benrob0329 its easy
16:28 benrob0329 You have a nice menu to select options
16:29 benrob0329 And then you make && make modules_install
16:29 benrob0329 make install
16:30 benrob0329 And run the grub makeconfig command (easily copied from the wiki) if you upgraded your kernel
16:31 benrob0329 you don't even need an initramfs if usr and var are in the same partition
16:37 benrob0329 VanessaE: do it, if nothing else you'll learn a lot by installing it.
16:37 Calinou neither systemd nor PulseAudio have been issues to me on Debian testing/Fedora/Ubuntu/Manjaro/Antergos
16:37 Calinou so, I don't care
16:37 Calinou I favor distros that use systemd (ie. most of them) because service files and systemd-nspawn are too good to miss
16:38 benrob0329 I wouldn't mind systemd, of everything didn't want to depend on it all of the sudden
16:38 benrob0329 I like modular components, it makes things easier to swap out
16:47 VanessaE benrob0329: there IS one thing pulse is good for - it can turn the volume up over 100% (I guess it amplifies?).  can regular old ALSA do that?
16:47 VanessaE (it's useful for online videos.  people seem to have an aversion to normalizing to -3dB
16:47 VanessaE )
16:49 benrob0329 VanessaE: I use Pulse, as I have multiple audio cards and that can be painful to manage with just alsa
16:49 Calinou few programs actually depend on systemd, even Flatpak removed its systemd dependency last year
16:50 benrob0329 Except Logind, udev, Gnome, etc etc
16:50 benrob0329 You know, the actually important stuff
16:51 VanessaE mmmh
16:52 benrob0329 VanessaE: gentop devs formed udev into eudev for use without systemd
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16:52 benrob0329 *gentoo
16:52 Krock o/
16:52 benrob0329 \o Krock
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16:53 red-001 hello Krock
16:54 VanessaE benrob0329: udev is another Achilles heal...  plug in a thumb drive.. "hey, ok I see a thumb drive on USB... oh what's this?  you have 12854543 other USB devices?  let me scan those as well.  Oh btw, sorry I just caused your 3d printer to disconnect.  sux to be you."
16:54 VanessaE "oh...btw here's the contents of that thumb drive"
16:54 VanessaE (well that's thunar's domain)
16:55 Calinou my main problem with removable media on Linux is permission issues
16:56 benrob0329 I use Udevil + devmon for automounting
16:56 Calinou on many distros, you only have read-only access to them by default
16:56 Calinou Manjaro doesn't have this issue so far so I'm happy
16:56 Calinou I'm aware you can `sudo chown -R` the thing to fix it but it's nasty
16:56 Calinou (tell newbies to do that!)
16:57 Calinou once, my networking teacher gave me root access on one of the machines because of that :D
16:57 Calinou (temporarily)
16:57 benrob0329 (And ranger for a file manager,  because lightweight/easy to compile ftw)
16:57 benrob0329 Udevil just works man
16:57 benrob0329 (Just be sure to have your user be in the plugdev group)
16:58 benrob0329 and then you add devmon to .bashrc or similar
16:58 VanessaE udevil?
16:58 benrob0329 Yes
16:58 VanessaE never heard of it
16:58 benrob0329 Can be used with several udev-like things
16:58 nerzhul sorry but gnome is not exactly dependant on systemd, gnome runs on Free/OpenBSD without systemd
16:58 benrob0329 Its a userspace mounting utility
16:59 benrob0329 nerzhul: with removed functionality
16:59 benrob0329 And its only 3.18, fyi
16:59 VanessaE as for gnome et al., I use XFCE anyways.  please oh please tell me I can shitcan gtk3 and make apps only use gtk2? :)
16:59 VanessaE (I suppose not)
16:59 benrob0329 i3 here
16:59 benrob0329 Its nice and configurable
17:00 VanessaE i3?  to me, that's the model of a 3d printer.
17:00 nerzhul benrob0329, no, you don't have many features removed
17:00 nerzhul VanessaE, if you like GTK, also use MT 0.3 please
17:01 benrob0329 Oh please don't start with gtk hate
17:01 benrob0329 Just dont
17:01 benrob0329 I've been there, done thay
17:01 Calinou Qt 5 master race!
17:01 benrob0329 QT - We reinvented the inventor or the wheel.
17:01 benrob0329 *of
17:02 benrob0329 I hate mobile keyboards
17:05 Shara Hello
17:06 benrob0329 hi Shara
17:06 VanessaE nerzhul: huh?
17:06 VanessaE and I don't hate gtk, I rather like it.  I just hate gtk3.
17:06 nerzhul GTK2 i would say
17:07 shivajiva Evening Shara
17:07 benrob0329 Imgui ftw
17:08 VanessaE every gtk2 prog that moved to gtk3 broke under xfce because of that stupid menu bar thing and the way they do window decorations (or don't)
17:08 lisac thanks VanessaE
17:09 lisac Maybe MT could have a few official servers
17:10 VanessaE how "official" would they need to be?
17:11 lisac No idea. I haven't got that far
17:12 Fixer i will tell
17:13 VanessaE I mean, celeron55 used to run a server years ago.  I don't imagine it has to be quite THAT official?
17:13 Fixer two servers: official stable and git, both vanilla, used for testing, reproducing bugs, etc, running under gdb
17:14 Fixer maybe third server: official git modded under gdb, to catch all kinds of bugs
17:14 VanessaE and both would be incredibly unpopular
17:14 VanessaE which unfortunately would make them rather less useful
17:14 nerzhul VanessaE, it's why sometimes you have a major release :p
17:14 sfan5 vanilla servers rarely have crashes
17:14 Krock official servers: top paid moderators, 24/7 support with the own hotline and matrix room
17:14 nerzhul yeah generally crash are triggered by very tricky mods
17:14 * CWz wonder about GTK5
17:15 garywhite Here's what I think you could do: If a lot of big changes are made to 0.5, then you could set up an official server just to showcase the new changes to MT for 0.5
17:15 Krock not to forget the last-gen Intel CPU, worth at least $2000
17:16 celeron55 we need to buy an IBM mainframe, then it's very official *insert doge meme*
17:16 nerzhul i have an AS 400 at work if needed :p
17:16 nerzhul i also have 2 servers with 3TB SSD + 256Go RAM which are not used
17:16 VanessaE celeron55: much cores.  very fast.  wow.
17:16 VanessaE :)
17:16 celeron55 8))
17:17 Krock such fast.  many amaze.  top doge.
17:17 nerzhul maybe i can tell my IBM reseller if i can have a IBM power 8 with watson for MT server hosting
17:18 Fixer official server is good for only one thing right now: debug crashes
17:18 benrob0329 top kek
17:18 nerzhul crash are required, but as sfan5 said, without many mods it's difficult to trigger many crashes, and crash can be avoided if you add more unit tests to core but we are far from this
17:18 Shara no mods = not so much fun
17:19 Fixer Shara: anarchy servers
17:19 benrob0329 no mods should == fun
17:19 Shara should != is so
17:19 benrob0329 mrg == need more content
17:19 benrob0329 *mtg
17:19 VanessaE I could go for some Topkek about now :)
17:19 Fixer anarchy as official will be bad idea
17:19 benrob0329 ^^
17:20 Shara Really bad
17:20 benrob0329 like, on a scale of 1-10
17:20 benrob0329 its negative 9000
17:20 nerzhul if you have official you need a team of moderator etc it's difficult to maintain
17:20 VanessaE I am willing to let my servers be considered official
17:20 benrob0329 but half the community hets 10 fps on them :-)
17:21 Shara If current servers were to be given that status, how to decide which get it?
17:21 VanessaE I have a good moderator team, a fast box with low 'net latency, and enough resources left to run a few more minetest instances easily
17:21 Shara I can't see such a thing working to be honest
17:21 nerzhul official server should be hosted by coredev to ensure it works just as intended
17:21 Krock Shara, the official ones that lead to the correct website to download this game *cough*
17:21 VanessaE nerzhul: "hosted by", or merely "operated by"?
17:22 Shara I have a core dev helping on one of mine... and it runs less well than the one I run alone :P
17:22 VanessaE nerzhul: I mean, someone has to supply the hardware to run it
17:22 benrob0329 lets keep the comunity game with comunity servers, and obviod conflict, shall we?
17:22 benrob0329 *ovoid
17:22 VanessaE avoid **
17:22 Shara avoid*
17:22 Krock Shara, it's the dev's fault
17:22 Krock 100%
17:22 Fixer okay, just one official server: modded git with reasonable amount of popular mods under gdb with few moderators like VanessaE
17:22 nerzhul i have the hardware for it if needed, but i think we can discuss about this later, there are bug on the current branch to fix :p
17:22 Shara I think it's a silly idea anyway
17:22 VanessaE yeah
17:23 nerzhul you don't need GDB to run your server Fixer lol
17:23 Krock you need valingrid
17:23 nerzhul on FreeBSD coredumps are generated automaticly by default
17:23 Fixer nerzhul: to catch crashes
17:23 nerzhul and on linux you just need to enable a sysctl
17:23 VanessaE if you want valgrind, you're gonna need a supercomputer then :P
17:23 Fixer nerzhul: or call it Official Test Server
17:23 kaeza Fixer, so... VE-Survival?
17:23 Krock *valgrind  if I could spell
17:23 nerzhul Official PTS
17:23 nerzhul :p
17:23 kaeza except for the gdb part
17:23 Fixer kaeza: does it produce gdb backtraces?
17:23 nerzhul a world running with valgrind means: unplayable
17:23 celeron55 i don't think an actual generally official server makes any sense but an official test server does
17:24 Shara Official test server could be useful
17:24 Fixer btw, I will remind everyone that I have strange memory increase over time on hometown server, please visit place i noted in that issue and use valgrind on it
17:24 nerzhul but how do you handle random peons which are there just for breaking your world ?
17:24 Fixer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5740
17:24 celeron55 nerzhul: it needs moderation and all that
17:24 VanessaE nerzhul: whitelist.
17:25 Shara Maybe test server shouldn't be on public list
17:25 Fixer whitelist is good enough
17:25 Shara Getting added to a list can be annoying
17:25 Shara Might put off people who would otherwise test
17:25 nerzhul if needed i can do it and host it
17:25 Fixer Shara: hard to say, redcrab was very succesful even with whitelist
17:26 nerzhul https://hub.docker.com/search/?isAutomat​ed=0&amp;isOfficial=0&amp;page=1&amp;pul​lCount=0&amp;q=minetest&amp;starCount=0
17:26 celeron55 make a server where the further from spawn you go, the slower it is to place blocks
17:26 nerzhul wow
17:26 Shara redcrab was a server to actually play on though
17:26 celeron55 and mine
17:26 VanessaE I kinda miss redcrab
17:26 lisac okay, maybe a better idea
17:26 lisac maybe older servers should get a higher position in the serverlist
17:26 celeron55 (yes, probably would create a very weird server)
17:26 Shara lisac: As far as I know they do?
17:27 red-001 lisac, they do
17:27 Shara age isn't really a great measure of worth by itself though
17:27 lisac yes, new servers still take top sometimes
17:27 Shara So it's good that many other things are looked at
17:27 Shara Though it makes me sad, since it keeps DL lower on the list than it would be
17:28 Shara Though maybe that's good, since DL is always full...
17:31 Fixer totally possible btw
17:32 Fixer benrob0329: yes
17:32 VanessaE [off[ oh, that
17:32 VanessaE fuck it
17:32 * VanessaE turns [off] off. :P
17:32 red-001 more [off]!!?!???!
17:33 Krock [off[ oh my gosh, leaked information
17:33 red-001 [off[ neat idea
17:33 CWz i don't think redcrab world will run in latest versions
17:34 benrob0329 we could make it
17:35 benrob0329 someone make a hacked client that can save the world and explore automatically, and leave it up all night
17:35 benrob0329 or tell someone else to do so
17:35 Fixer someone already did I think
17:36 red-001 Fixer, link?
17:36 Fixer no link
17:36 benrob0329 like, i could leave my desktop up and record it, put it on a server so people can download it
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17:36 benrob0329 ofc, the client could get kicked
17:37 benrob0329 so progress would need to be saved
17:37 benrob0329 what would be needed to fool server to see you as an older client?
17:38 red-001 a lott
17:38 red-001 lot*
17:38 red-001 backporting the changes should be easier
17:38 red-001 when was map saving added?
17:38 Fixer benrob0329: you underestimate the size of that world
17:38 benrob0329 Fixer: yes
17:38 benrob0329 no
17:38 benrob0329 er
17:39 Fixer benrob0329: huge builds as far as 20000 away
17:39 benrob0329 this is true
17:39 benrob0329 can you fool the server to feed you the mapblocks?
17:39 red-001 no
17:40 benrob0329 darn
17:40 Krock map saving? 0.4.9 around then
17:40 benrob0329 oh, we're fine then
17:40 benrob0329 just need an alt name
17:41 red-001 does it matter?
17:41 benrob0329 yes
17:41 Krock oh
17:41 Krock 0.4.10 → 0.4.11
17:41 Krock http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
17:42 Krock apparently it's newer than I thouht
17:42 Krock ^ red-001
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17:54 Fixer "Can i change units in Sil (and/or maybe other angband forks and angband itself) to SI?"
17:54 Fixer Sil = roguelike game
17:54 Fixer too bad it does not use metric system
17:55 CWz damn old redcrab server is down
17:56 Fixer you sure?
17:56 CWz *screams*
17:56 CWz i couldn't connect
17:57 Fixer he visited forums: Last visited: 27 Jan 2017 15:54
17:57 Fixer his forum has sql error
18:19 * Jordach does the impossible and sort of figures out 1.8 compat
18:19 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/NJHOXAq.png
18:21 Jordach benrob0329, bow to your blender god
18:23 Jordach "AMD didn't show many benchmarks for their Radeon Vega GPU, though what they did show was highly impressive, with the results below showing the Vega easily beat Nvidia's Titan Xp in a range of 3D modelling applications."
18:23 Jordach >3D modelling
18:24 Jordach <nVidia_Titan> *autistic screeching*
18:24 benrob0329 Jordach: my knees don't work
18:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/cQaD0PM.png
18:26 benrob0329 Now port it to irrlicht
18:26 Jordach one moment
18:27 Jordach benrob0329, blob:http://imgur.com/b83c0b6d-d​d49-4140-a99e-55888553608c
18:27 Jordach *autistic screeching*
18:27 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/Np7iDFY.png
18:27 benrob0329 Thays not irrlicht
18:28 Jordach good fucking luck
18:28 Jordach there's blender drivers controlling the simplest elements
18:28 Jordach it's not meant for ingame, its for rendering the fuck out of for thumbnails and shit
18:28 benrob0329 Then port it to BGE
18:28 Jordach *AUTISTIC RAGE*
18:28 benrob0329 Lol
18:28 Jordach Khronos plans to merge OpenCL and Vulkan into a single API
18:29 Jordach MOM GET THE CAMERA
18:29 benrob0329 Wait what???
18:29 Jordach REST IN PIECES NVIDIA CUDA
18:29 Jordach https://www.overclock3d.net/news/s​oftware/khronos_plans_to_merge_ope​ncl_and_vulkan_into_a_single_api/1
18:29 benrob0329 I don't need to camera, I NEED TO SEE THIS
18:29 Jordach CUDA gets BTFO by AMD
18:29 benrob0329 LONG LIVE OPENCL
18:29 benrob0329 er
18:30 benrob0329 LONG LIVE VULKAN
18:31 benrob0329 expect to see a TPS-meme video up today
18:31 Jordach benrob0329, all dem nvidia fanboys gun screech
18:31 Jordach inb4: Blender 2.8 to use Vulkan
18:31 garywhite memeep
18:31 benrob0329 I got nvidia because of blender, and now I can ditch nvidia thanks to Blender
18:32 benrob0329 life is gud
18:32 Jordach benrob0329, OpenCL support on my RX 480 is bretty gud
18:32 Jordach it even plays top AAA games maxed out without a sweat
18:32 benrob0329 Goodbye proprietary drivers!!
18:32 benrob0329 After I drop $900 that is..
18:33 Jordach fun fact, my gpu is codenamed ellesmere
18:33 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/uJXdi2f.png
18:33 benrob0329 Ofc, I could sell my 980ti
18:34 Jordach benrob0329, downside is that GPU rendering for teh first time takes a few minuets
18:34 Jordach since the GPU has to compile it as a whole, and not streamed like cuda cores
18:34 Jordach slower to start, faster to render
18:34 Jordach from my own testing
18:34 benrob0329 Plan to drop nvidia:
18:35 Jordach (3 minutes to render initially with by PBR setup)
18:35 benrob0329 Buy beter amd gpu
18:35 benrob0329 Boot computer with nvidia
18:35 benrob0329 Uninstall nvidia drivers, delete xorg.conf
18:35 Jordach install Gentoo
18:36 benrob0329 I already run gentoo :PPP
18:36 Jordach -reinstall gentoo as it's gone wrong again
18:36 benrob0329 Heh, its pretty stabke actually
18:36 benrob0329 *stable
18:37 benrob0329 You get news when you update things
18:37 Jordach benrob0329, >wing commander for free as part of Origin Access
18:37 benrob0329 what's that?
18:38 Jordach >doesn't know of the DOS classic
18:38 Jordach even has the command and conquer collection
18:38 benrob0329 I haven't been into computer games for but the last few years
18:40 benrob0329 Basically, install amd drivers with nvidia booted, then enable proper frambuffer
18:40 benrob0329 Because nvidia screwed over the framebuffer and left us with efi fb only
18:41 benrob0329 But ill need the money to buy an amd gpu first
18:45 Fixer MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE A MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE
18:46 * CWz lifts his leg to fart
18:46 Fixer Krock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZh2F18waI
18:46 benrob0329 What is even happening
18:47 * Jordach shrugs
18:47 Krock <333
18:47 Jordach fuck this, i'm playing some BF1
18:47 Fixer Jordach: BF1942
18:47 Jordach Fixer, nah fam
18:48 Fixer with bots <3
18:48 benrob0329 FlightGear
18:48 benrob0329 Do we have fps servers yet?
18:49 benrob0329 honestly, once we get wielditem animation well be good to have a fully fledged FPS in MT
18:49 Fixer fps servers?
18:50 Fixer we need "wielditem animation" in MTG
18:50 Fixer totally agree
18:50 Fixer it is not 1982 or smth
18:51 Jordach benrob0329, wielditem anim
18:51 Jordach fuck that
18:51 Jordach give us wieldmeshes
18:51 Jordach like meshnodes with that capability
18:51 benrob0329 With animation
18:51 benrob0329 it'd be called with the same api
18:52 Fixer yesterdays house I've noticed has been improved: https://i.imgur.com/Etp9ehr.png
18:53 Jordach >wood box
18:54 Fixer yep
18:54 Shara Beats wool box
18:54 Fixer ha
18:54 Fixer chicken walked into solid block and exploded
18:54 Fixer (...)
18:54 Fixer need to ask tidyman about that
18:54 benrob0329 Beats cobble boc
18:55 benrob0329 *x
18:55 benrob0329 Gosh, I suck at typing on my phone
18:57 Shara Ekk, you all just came very close to getting some cat typing here.
18:58 Shara Silly kitten just typed about three lines of nonsense, but could not find enter
19:01 benrob0329 Heh
19:01 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/3XAW3vv1_18
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19:16 tenplus1 hi folks
19:16 Raven262 Greetings, tenplus1
19:16 tenplus1 hi raven
19:17 benrob0329 (Some swearing) https://youtu.be/1K5jo9gk9LQ
19:17 tenplus1 hi ben
19:17 benrob0329 tenplus1: does playerplus only have knockback for mobs?
19:17 benrob0329 Hi
19:17 benrob0329 Er
19:17 benrob0329 Knockback for players
19:17 benrob0329 By player punched
19:17 benrob0329 *es
19:18 tenplus1 it has many effects but when player is hit the object doing the hitting must supply vector position for it to work.. so mobs, tnt etv
19:18 benrob0329 Mobs don't seem to
19:18 benrob0329 or do only some mobs do it?
19:18 tenplus1 any mobs who punch...
19:19 tenplus1 any particular mob not working ?
19:19 benrob0329 hmm
19:19 benrob0329 Dirt/sand so far
19:19 benrob0329 Will test with others
19:20 tenplus1 those dfinitely work.. is it latest playerplus ?
19:20 benrob0329 Just got it from git last night
19:20 tenplus1 chckinv
19:24 tenplus1 works fine... I did add a new 'no_knockback' priv to disable it for certain players, so if you grant yourself all privs it wont work
19:25 benrob0329 player>player knockback works
19:25 benrob0329 But mob punching player does not
19:25 tenplus1 weird... I just got knocked around with sand and dirt monsters... worked ok with latest git ?!?!/
19:26 benrob0329 Hold on
19:26 benrob0329 I can't revoke privs as admin
19:26 benrob0329 Wth
19:27 benrob0329 I can't revoke my privs as server admin
19:27 tenplus1 ehehe
19:27 benrob0329 Whu
19:27 tenplus1 blame minetest :) some of the privs you cant revoke..
19:27 benrob0329 Why, who thought this was a good idea?
19:28 benrob0329 Works now
19:28 benrob0329 Was no_knockback priv
19:28 tenplus1 :) glad it works now
19:29 tenplus1 was something I added for robbie
19:29 benrob0329 This is very awkward feeling though, we need a knoclback api
19:29 tenplus1 we have a pull request for c++ knockback...
19:29 tenplus1 hopefully that'll get in
19:29 rubenwardy privileges should give you the right to do something
19:29 rubenwardy so the admin having all privileges makes sense
19:29 Jordach next thing you know you'll need a priv to breathe
19:29 Jordach Minetest, the ultimate shitlord
19:29 tenplus1 hi ruben, hi jordach
19:30 rubenwardy yo
19:30 benrob0329 rubenwardy: but privs are used for more than just admining
19:30 benrob0329 Games ofteb use them for specific things
19:30 rubenwardy if you're using a privilege for anything else other than the permission to do something then you're misusing them
19:31 Jordach ^^
19:31 Jordach use them sparingly
19:31 rubenwardy ie: they shouldn't be used for classes
19:31 benrob0329 tell that to mods
19:31 kaeza Jordach, http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=240
19:31 benrob0329 Like just now
19:31 benrob0329 no_knockback priv
19:31 Jordach kaeza, fuck me, what year is it? 2007?
19:31 benrob0329 It makes sense
19:31 benrob0329 But I can't revoke it for testing
19:32 tenplus1 hi kaeza
19:32 kaeza greetings, tenplus1
19:32 benrob0329 Saying that I *need* to have all privs is a shit argument
19:32 benrob0329 No offense
19:32 Jordach use player attributes
19:32 Jordach they're useful for this kind of thing
19:32 Jordach handing out privs like it's candy will end up making mods incompatible
19:33 Jordach for people who want to do proper programming practices seem quite shit at doing so
19:33 tenplus1 this was only used for a 3d_armor piece that stops knockback.. nothing else really
19:33 Jordach and it's overkill
19:34 Jordach a player attribute is the same, but with far better storage
19:34 Jordach player:set_attribute("armor_kb_resist", <percentage>)
19:34 Jordach player:get_attribute("armor_kb_resist")
19:34 tenplus1 good idea, will look into that one
19:35 Jordach when i've got better development practices than most of the big players in MT, something is definitely wrong here
19:35 Jordach and i'm using windows for fuck sakes
19:35 Fixer tenplus1: chicken walked into solid block and exploded
19:35 tenplus1 exoloded ?
19:36 benrob0329 Went boom, nuked the whole town
19:36 tenplus1 kewl
19:36 Fixer tenplus1: yeah, exploded
19:36 Fixer tenplus1: "exploded"
19:36 Jordach uhhh
19:37 Fixer tenplus1: i was zooming... watching at that chicken walking across, suddenly it walked into block and "exploded"
19:37 Jordach why is enabling mods done with a checkbox
19:37 Jordach yet modpacks are with a button
19:37 tenplus1 weird... that doesnt normally happen unless something is under chicken and blowing things up
19:37 Jordach :thinking:
19:37 benrob0329 Jordach: fix it
19:37 Hijiri using player attributes directly will still lead to mod incompatibility
19:37 Jordach Hijiri, no
19:37 tenplus1 hi Hijiri
19:37 Fixer Jordach: modpacks are so broken, don't mind that button
19:37 benrob0329 Add actual check boxes whilst your at it
19:37 Hijiri hi 11
19:37 Jordach you're expected to keep the <modname>_name standard
19:38 Hijiri Jordach: right, so no other mods can affect armor resistance?
19:38 Jordach Hijiri, then they read that value
19:38 Jordach by depending on the mod that provides armor
19:38 Hijiri ah, ok
19:38 benrob0329 Can we have slippery nodes?
19:39 tenplus1 that would be amazing :))))))   my builtin_item mod has dropped items being pushed by water and sliding along ice
19:39 rubenwardy stylistic choice, but <modname>:<name> is more used
19:39 rubenwardy ie: formspecs
19:39 Hijiri Jordach: that mod still has to provide code to merge mod modifications though
19:39 rubenwardy and in mtg
19:39 Hijiri it's not solved just by using attributes
19:39 Jordach Hijiri, considering armour isn't a standard
19:39 Jordach and most armour addons generally depend on it already
19:39 Jordach is there a difference?
19:40 Hijiri difference between what?
19:40 benrob0329 *Armor should be a standard
19:40 Jordach Hijiri, armour isn;t a default mod
19:40 Jordach benrob0329, we're not minecraft, fucking QUIT IT
19:40 Hijiri Why does it matter if it's a default mod
19:40 benrob0329 Were not idiots, you quit it.
19:41 Jordach >missing the point
19:41 Hijiri I"m missing the point, yes
19:41 benrob0329 What? MC happened to have armour, so now we're forbidden to have it?
19:41 Jordach benrob0329, "muh clone"
19:41 benrob0329 Wtf kind of logic is that?
19:41 Jordach you shouldn't have to have parity with another thing just to call yourself something else
19:41 Jordach be goddamn original
19:41 Jordach i remember people crying their brains out over terraria
19:42 benrob0329 Then what else are we gonna have?
19:42 benrob0329 Body ar...oh wait
19:42 benrob0329 Bullt proof vests, oh wait no guns
19:42 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/KJV2eee.png eyes bleed
19:42 benrob0329 Helmets? No that's armor
19:42 Jordach benrob0329, perhaps consider the fact you have a handwavium ore: mese
19:43 tenplus1 erk, so much green
19:43 Hijiri we need to imagine a new way to represent damage resistance that isn't armor pieces
19:43 benrob0329 So what? Make armor out of mese?
19:43 Jordach might be able to produce a suitable force field for my things
19:43 Hijiri since MC is already parked on that paradigm
19:43 benrob0329 Oh wait no we can't do that
19:43 Jordach magical shielding sounds dank as fuck
19:43 tenplus1 ooh, druid charms for protection ??
19:43 benrob0329 Shields are "too advanced" for mtg as far as I've seen
19:43 tenplus1 protecvtion runes for all sorts of effects :D
19:43 Hijiri While we're doing that let's change how the game industry thinks about health
19:43 benrob0329 Druid? hell no
19:43 tenplus1 aww
19:43 Jordach benrob0329, maybe totems
19:43 Jordach ;)
19:43 Hijiri instead of health points, you have health items that go away when you take damage
19:44 Hijiri MC has health points so it would be unoriginal to have those
19:44 Jordach Hijiri, i wasn't literal
19:44 Jordach most mobile clients don't know of other games maybe barring xanadu and a few others
19:44 Jordach s/clients/users/g
19:44 benrob0329 How about...armor, because its f*cking practical.
19:45 Jordach a game shouldn't have to be practical
19:45 benrob0329 We can add real clothing whilst were at it and be civilized
19:45 Hijiri Jordach: so you weren't literal when you said that MT shouldn't include wearable armor because MC has it?
19:45 Jordach benrob0329, https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plai​ns/blob/master/mods/wardrobe/init.lua :thinking:
19:45 benrob0329 its a skin creator
19:45 Jordach benrob0329, same difference, is it not?
19:46 Shara We're arguing over whether MT should have armour or not on the basis of another game having it??
19:46 benrob0329 No, clothing has practical uses
19:46 benrob0329 Like, where a coat because its -30 outside
19:46 Hijiri I'm arguing over whether you should argue over whether should have armor or not on the basis of another game having it
19:46 benrob0329 Otherwise you'll die of frostbite
19:46 Jordach tfw baited
19:46 * Shara takes Hijiri's side
19:46 tenplus1 hi shara
19:46 Hijiri I'm not baiting
19:47 Jordach i take neither side in MTG shenanigans
19:47 Hijiri you still haven't clarified, did you really mean to say that armor shouldn't be included because MC has it?
19:47 Hijiri or were you not being literal
19:47 Jordach Hijiri, never literal
19:47 Hijiri what did you mean then?
19:47 Jordach shouldn't have to follow something to a T
19:47 benrob0329 I dont give a crap what MC does and does not have in it
19:48 Hijiri I'm not sure how else you would do wearable armor
19:48 rubenwardy This is the first time I've ever seen a MC-related argument in a MT channel
19:48 rubenwardy well, that I remember
19:48 benrob0329 Ok so we do something different from medieval style armor
19:48 benrob0329 I'm down for that
19:48 rubenwardy nice breeze from tabs v spaces, editors, or linux
19:48 benrob0329 But wearables in general would be nice
19:48 Jordach benrob0329, the best part about using magic is that there's no rules if you don't have them ;)
19:49 benrob0329 I don't need rules for scifi
19:49 benrob0329 Its called fiction for a reason
19:49 Jordach benrob0329, same difference, isn't it?
19:49 rubenwardy you do need consistent rules for magic, even if they're not realistic at all
19:49 rubenwardy otherwise the user will call b
19:49 rubenwardy *bs
19:49 benrob0329 Jordach: magic is a discussion I do not wish to get into
19:50 Hijiri you could just have magic do whatever is convenient at the time and call it the law of preordained harmony
19:50 benrob0329 Someone will get on my ass about religion if I do.
19:51 * Shara wonders how preordained harmony would be coded
19:51 benrob0329 Or, do something original, and not just blame magic like every other thing
19:51 Hijiri at one point I thought about making a demonic-themed ritual magic mod to get that person on my ass
19:52 benrob0329 Why can't the laws of the universe be different from out own?
19:52 tenplus1 oooh nice
19:52 Hijiri I doubt I will work on anything like that anytime soon though, since I have other mods I'm working on
19:52 Hijiri "working on" - not really since I have a project due Fi
19:52 Hijiri Fri*
19:54 benrob0329 But come on, what is this the 1600s?
19:54 benrob0329 Not everything you don't understand is magic
19:56 Hijiri in many magic settings magic is presented as just being different laws of physics
19:56 Hijiri that amount to something that looks like fantasy magic
19:56 Hijiri or maybe something more novel but still feels magicky
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20:13 tenplus1 nite fokls
20:13 tenplus1 *folks :P
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20:29 * Jordach gets to finishing off the redone menu
20:30 * Jordach thinks about changing the enable mod checkbox to a button
20:33 Jordach >-- game mods can't be enabled or disabled
20:33 Jordach *triggered*
20:44 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/dF1v30n.png
20:44 Jordach made a few textual changes to make it more obvious what each switch does
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21:00 benrob0329 Jordach: nice, but i still dont like the green
21:06 Calinou so I'm looking at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/archived​/Game-Server-HOWTO/quakeworld.html
21:06 Calinou the system requirements break my workflow!
21:06 Calinou /s
21:07 Calinou (my VPS has 15 GB of RAM, and they suggest 16 MB of RAM there… so I have almost 1,000 times more)
21:08 * benrob0329 waits for pixabay account activation email
21:08 Calinou I have an account on Pixabay since like 2 years ago
21:09 benrob0329 >spams refresh
21:09 benrob0329 i havent bothered, just used captcha
21:09 benrob0329 but i dont want to deal with it anymore
21:09 benrob0329 id log in with FB but it always fails
21:10 * garywhite has to look up pixabay now
21:10 benrob0329 ugggg, i hate slow email services
21:10 benrob0329 its like, you want me to sign up, but its taking an hour for your email to send
21:11 benrob0329 (its not my email because steam nots get through within a minute)
21:11 nerzhul nice ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCbHlBqK6Vk
21:13 benrob0329 lol
21:13 benrob0329 faith in humanity...oh its that song
21:13 benrob0329 nvm
21:20 Fixer not this bullshit again... https://i.imgur.com/UPj98ka.png
21:24 benrob0329 Hometown?
21:31 Jordach :^)
21:31 Jordach that was fast
21:31 Jordach i possibly fucked up my knee somehow
21:32 Jordach benrob0329, i'm not using blue
21:32 benrob0329 I didnt say to use blue
21:32 benrob0329 just...something else
21:32 benrob0329 something more neutral
21:32 benrob0329 for the buttons
21:32 benrob0329 the mod list is fine
21:38 benrob0329 Jordach: im making a a kek video
21:52 Jordach benrob0329, http://i.imgur.com/5tFM3Y5.png
21:56 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43zOwm34hqQ as usual
21:57 benrob0329 Jordach: better
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22:01 Jordach mransom, <3
22:02 Jordach >Big Freaking Dig
22:02 Jordach feel free to replace that with my eventually released Solar Plains which is the simplified successor
22:04 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/Z2R3SvA.png
22:06 Jordach benrob0329, that's literally the same colour as before
22:06 Jordach (based off of the menu selector table)
22:09 * Jordach feels like setting a temp var to display current password
22:09 Jordach for tableteers
22:09 Jordach (my phone does this in certain apps)
22:17 * Jordach sets GPU to render
22:20 Jordach benrob0329, ayy lmao
22:20 Jordach even with performance limiters enabled on my GPU
22:21 Jordach it can render a 512 samples quickly
22:23 Jordach 1m53s at 1080p, 512 samples
22:28 Fixer 3 085 036 KB
22:43 Fixer no freaking way http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2005101​5120123/doom/images/1/1f/Batman_terrorist.png
22:48 Fixer CYBERNICOTINISM
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23:43 * garywhite fires up his Windows 3.1 VM
23:44 * Jordach feels bad
23:44 Jordach i looked at the state of winamp
23:44 garywhite about what?
23:49 Jordach >winamp
23:55 benrob0329 who uses Winamp anymore?
23:55 benrob0329 Jordach: kekness is rendering

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