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00:07 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/5286#issuecomment-299575120
00:07 Calinou :D
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02:42 benrob0329 (offtopic) hey, the WT website works in elinks (https://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/)
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08:00 tenplus1 hi folks
08:46 lumidify Hi tenplus1
08:46 tenplus1 hi lumidify
08:46 lumidify (very late :P)
08:47 tenplus1 heh...  it's 9:47am here
08:58 Calinou hi
08:59 tenplus1 hi Cal
09:01 lumidify tenplus1: I meant there were ~46 minutes between you saying "hi folks" and me saying hi (it's 11:00 AM here now)
09:01 tenplus1 ahh, lolz
09:01 tenplus1 one of those lazy saturdays it seems :P
09:05 tenplus1 am tweaking Farming Redo...
09:22 Krock joined #minetest-hub
09:22 Krock hi tenplus1
09:22 Krock HA! GOTCHA
09:23 tenplus1 hi Krock :P
09:23 Krock ^^
09:23 tenplus1 was building on xanadu... ehehehehe
09:24 Krock nice. what are you builing?
09:24 Krock +d
09:25 tenplus1 fixing a few roads connecting player builds to main path...  way has hanging gardens in a desert which looks nice, and the shakespear theatre is amazin :PPP
09:27 Krock :o
09:27 Krock //set default:dobble
09:27 Krock *cobble
09:27 Krock apparently I can't spell today
09:29 tenplus1 thankfully we have decorative cobble for just such an occasion :D
09:30 Krock hehe
09:31 tenplus1 knockback really adds a whole new level to the game... mobs are scarey as hell again
09:41 tenplus1 lol, we have players complaining of connection drops while playing minetest on android... I have a feeling they are facebooking at sme time
09:42 Krock Soon: Multiscreen smartphones
09:42 tenplus1 android 7 has that ready and working :)
09:44 Krock well, I mean multiscreen as in two seperate screens
09:44 Krock hardware ones, not softwware
09:45 Calinou foldable phones! :D
09:45 tenplus1 the hubs to connect to monitor and let you display something else on phone screen while using it is possible, yes
09:45 Krock o.o
09:49 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8iRCiqgz6U
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11:01 tenplus1 hi fixer
11:29 Shara Hello
11:29 tenplus1 hi Shara :P
11:34 * tenplus1 is watching "The Rutles"... so funny
12:00 tenplus1 k, any mod that relies on chest textures is now broken
12:00 tenplus1 why were the textures removed ???
12:01 Shara They were removed?
12:02 tenplus1 yes, as soon as animated chest model was added to minetest the original textures were removed...
12:02 tenplus1 so shared chests, protected chests, barter shops all have no base textures anymore
12:03 Shara Wonderful
12:04 Shara I'm pretty indifferent about the opening chests. I get why people want them, but they look silly to me.
12:06 tenplus1 eye candy and no more than that, and in the process breaks mod compatibility
12:07 Shara Openning chests seem out of place to me to be honest, since no other containers visually open, and neither will chests you have something on top (which is most of them on servers...)
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12:35 tenplus1 hi LazyJ
12:35 LazyJ Howdy tenplus1 ;)
12:36 tenplus1 wait a sec, wont the chest changes also mess up technic as well ???
12:43 VanessaE technic and pipeworks need updated accordingly.
12:44 VanessaE someone else can do that
12:44 tenplus1 hi Vanessa, yes they do... but this current change has broken many mods and maps
12:50 shivajiva Hi folks :)
12:51 tenplus1 hi shiva, how's u
12:51 VanessaE morning, shivajiva
12:52 Shara tenplus1: can you please tell Zeno` ytou agree with my fire PR?
12:52 * tenplus1 wants fire disabled by default in network games unless specifically set to true
12:52 Shara Thank you.
12:52 shivajiva contemplating fitting a rear silencer atm, just not expecting it to be easy, rusted bolts etc
12:53 tenplus1 is your car that noisy ?
12:53 * shivajiva wants fire disabled by default for networked games also
12:53 Zeno` it will not be approved because introducing an inconsity with how a setting is interpreted depending on the game mode (SP vs MP) chosen is not good
12:54 Zeno` what's the PR?
12:54 Shara The inconsistency is already there
12:54 Zeno` I'll close it
12:54 shivajiva yea it's getting a bit noticeable lol
12:54 Shara ...
12:54 Zeno` and label TNT as a bug
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12:55 tenplus1 hi sniper
12:56 tenplus1 if your aim is to make an anarchy server where anything goes then fine... but noob servers dont want players running around burning forests and blowing up everyone with tnt... so disabling by default is a good tactic, which also makes them stay longer and add to the community instead of getting pissed that everyone griefed their server
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13:11 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
13:17 tenplus1 many users, devs and players will more than likely argue different things so in the end, wouldnt it be better if Minetest had a [game] tab to scroll through and install/use the default game YOU want ???
13:19 tenplus1 maybe that could be the 0.4.16 feature that pleases all
13:22 Krock the idea is good - and actually should be added like that once we have a way to download mods/games directly from Minetest
13:22 Krock or at least installing them
13:23 tenplus1 it woudl save a lot of arguments at least, and bring a whole new level of gaming with many available [games] ready to roll... with a 5 star system on side even
13:29 tenplus1 laters all
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13:40 * benrob0329 bumps everyone about the matrix chat and how they should try it
13:45 Krock a spontanous idea: players vs developers. Sounds interesting but I have no clue how this could be done
13:46 Krock benrob0329, don't worry, even in 2051 there will be people using IRC, if that's a problem. (xkcd 1782)
13:47 benrob0329 Yes ik, but id like to get people to at least try something newer
13:47 benrob0329 The fact that it can bridge to irc is handy
13:48 Krock isn't there a bridge for tor yet? o.o
13:48 Krock s/tor/tox/
13:49 benrob0329 Tox...um...isn't exactly moving with great stride atm
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13:52 benrob0329 Hi Shara
13:52 Shara Hi
13:52 Krock hi Shara
13:53 Shara Hi Krock
13:58 DI3HARD139 Hello all
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14:00 DI3HARD139 I agree. The mod menu download/install menu should really be brought back. Not only will this improve ease of use but will also make it easier for the mod managers to distribute their work and get noticed
14:01 benrob0329 Hello Jordach
14:01 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: that or one in a launcher would work
14:08 DI3HARD139 indeed
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14:19 Jordach >tfw the ZX Spectrum output video in YUV
15:20 Sokomine oh? we have colored itemstacks now? that sounds good :-))
15:25 nerzhul hey :) https://youtu.be/D6EVzJvWN14 it's an experiment on gnome, i'm trying to work with dbus to implement search results from a simple C++ program, here it's just a callback containng the search itself :p
15:47 Krock doesn't it already contain a search engine?
16:06 Krock another topic: The sneak PR isn't coming along. The opinion from one person doesn't say much about what players in general think, thus I wonder if this looks in about right to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hR74Z5vUyo
16:07 Shara I've been quiet because what I've hoped for seems increasingly unlikely to happen.
16:08 Krock to not change anything?
16:08 Krock or what exactly do you mean?
16:08 Shara That's not what I've asked for, no.
16:08 Shara The jump height issue
16:09 Krock ah, the two node jumps?
16:09 Shara It seems all plans for that will only allow the player to get to a jump height of 2 when sneaking next to a higher node
16:09 Sokomine those are fine. hope they come back
16:09 Shara What I want is more like... current player jump height + 1
16:10 Krock Sokomine, sneak ladders are still available; it only requires to set the player physics manually
16:10 Shara Otherwise, the moment I factor in the mods I use, the end result will be that players with higher level equip lose the possibility to get a jump height boost
16:11 benrob0329 Honestly, I think the only way players will be happy is if sneak/movement is changed completely (in a better, more freeing way)
16:11 benrob0329 Otherwise everyone will just compare it
16:11 Krock the jump height should/could be calculated with the X/Z motion speed
16:12 Krock since running makes it easier to jump higher (physics)
16:13 Shara Krock: I'm honestly happy 'if' that jump height is factored in correctly
16:13 Shara There's lots of other things I don't really like, but that's the one I am really having issues with
16:14 Sokomine my wish would be that movement would be similar on all servers. if a player survives a fall due to a sneak strangeness - the better. survival is just the time passed between looking for good spots for building and thinking about the next project :-)
16:14 Sokomine it is tricky for me that player physics vary so much on servers. might be less of a problem for others
16:15 Shara I didn't notice it varied, unless it was intentional through a mod, and you're going to get that anyway
16:16 Sokomine it's intentional through mods (armor, mostly). just think about these diffrent boots..it would be a lot easier for me to steer if speed would be controlled clientside
16:16 Krock about the damage evading: there's only one way to evade as in current master: Death. You'll not take any damage for 3 seconds after resurrection
16:16 Krock surely, that's still a problem when using the old sneak code
16:17 Krock since it "should not be modified"
16:18 Shara I like the idea of a server owner getting to decide which way they want things, but I also understand keeping two versions of the code beyond the next version would be messy.
16:18 Shara version./release*
16:18 Shara My long term concern really is that jump height issue after the option eventually gets removed
16:19 Sokomine @Shara: yes, that's often a problem. some areas might no longer be reachable
16:20 Shara I can't really support any of the current attempts I see to allign old and new sneak, because the thing that matters most to me is not being included. Though at the same time, I'm glad it's being looked at.
16:25 Shara Krock: If you can work in that jump height consideration, so the height a player can jump based on existing player physics is included, that would be very appreciated
16:31 Shara Sokomine: maybe servers should simply be giving better options for equipment.
16:32 Shara It sort of defeats the point of special equipment if the player decides which things do what
16:38 Krock Shara, I'm digging through the formulas and search results to figure out how it's calculated :3
16:39 Shara :)
16:39 Shara Thank you
16:39 Krock np. I hope I'll manage it to get it right
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16:56 * Sokomine needs some new textures...
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18:01 Jordach https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/se​rverlist_stats_2017-03-17.txt
18:01 * Jordach 's jaw drops
18:01 Jordach 1.92m clients
18:01 Jordach fuuuuck
18:03 * CWz confused about what Jordach is saying
18:03 * CWz smiles and walks away
18:03 red-001 1.7m
18:03 red-001 1.9m includes browsers
18:12 Jordach for those who want to know the user share of MC;
18:12 Jordach 1927468 -> 7.438% of total PC MC clients
18:14 Jordach 1927468 MT clients = £34,598,050.60 GBP PC MC clients
18:15 Jordach Wolfram Alpha inputs http://www.wolframalpha.com/inpu​t/?i=25915184+*+%3F+%3D+1927468
18:15 red-001 wait how are you converting that to money?
18:15 Jordach https://minecraft.net/en-us/store/
18:15 Jordach (it's priced £17.95 GBP here)
18:16 red-001 it's not 1.9m unique clients
18:16 red-001 it's 1.9m serverlist loads
18:16 Jordach red-001, rough estimate
18:17 red-001 plus no way I would play a whole 20 pounds for minetest
18:17 red-001 pay*
18:17 Jordach red-001, that's the large chunk taken out of MC
18:17 Jordach i would love to see active MC PC active login tokens active, however
18:17 Jordach (eg, concurrent players)
18:18 Jordach the active users would likely be ~35m active
18:18 Shara Jordach: too many actives there!
18:19 red-001 minetest has a few hundered concurrent players
18:19 red-001 548 right now
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18:58 Fixer *,...,*
19:02 * Sokomine wonders what fixer is trying to tell
19:04 red-001 no one knoes
19:04 red-001 knows*
19:05 Krock maybe something like this.. http://i.imgur.com/7DLlhtB.png
19:06 Krock not sure what it's supposed to mean
19:06 Krock M$ paint skills ^
19:06 Sokomine quite possibly, yes
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19:07 Krock could be modified to a dead fuhrer but I'm sure he didn't want to say that
19:08 Sokomine er, no. probably not.
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19:29 tenplus1 hi folks
19:29 Fixer Sokomine: http://www.cthulhu.org/cimages/cthulhu_caves.gif
19:30 tenplus1 lol
19:33 * tenplus1 is testing Vivaldi browser with good results
19:34 Krock cthulhu browser :3
19:34 tenplus1 lol, that'd be a kewl name for one
19:34 tenplus1 today has been a testing day
19:35 tenplus1 I have a celeron desky with intel gen6 gfx running Lubuntu and Wine 2.01 with Steam for windows installed and all games running a-ok :))))
19:42 Calinou hi, my grandmother died today
19:42 tenplus1 hi Cal... sorry to hear dude...
19:42 Shara sorry to hear that
19:43 tenplus1 we're you close ?
19:46 Calinou no
19:49 red-001 sorry to hear that
19:49 VanessaE :(
19:52 nerzhul tenplus1, if you want a very fast browser just compile CEF3 and use the defaut example browser, it just has a bar and a rendering using webkit, cannot be faster haha
19:53 tenplus1 cef3? never heard of that one, does it have adblocker ?
19:54 Calinou CEF = Chromium Emebdded Framework
19:54 red-001 chrome embedded framework
19:54 Calinou problem is, it has no additional features
19:54 Calinou no ad blocker too
19:54 red-001 a.k.a we want to use html for our interface
19:54 tenplus1 isnt chromium like the basic you can get with interface ?
19:54 Calinou you can get more basic
19:54 Calinou it's what Electron uses, it's based on CEF
20:03 tenplus1 CefSharp looks good but windows only
20:27 tenplus1 Qupzilla is pretty good too
20:30 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2738 is in
20:30 Jordach the commit difference between my solar_plains dev client
20:30 Jordach and master is insane
20:31 Jordach mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
20:31 tenplus1 wow, that was quick
20:33 paramat as is custom player stepheight and optional silent player footsteps
20:33 Jordach sfan5, build pl0x
20:33 sfan5 sure
20:33 tenplus1 so sneak can essentially turn off footsteps
20:34 paramat erm
20:34 Jordach yes?
20:34 paramat i guess so
20:35 paramat player properties can be changed in-game i think
20:35 Jordach by the by
20:36 Jordach i think i've figured out real time skies using the skybox system
20:36 tenplus1 o.O ???
20:37 Jordach if we got some way of displaying the sun and moon in front of the skybox, this'd be less of an issue
20:37 paramat yes you can set player properties in-game
20:38 sfan5 Jordach: new build up
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20:39 tenplus1 nite all
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20:47 * Jordach builds a blender scene
20:48 Jordach this is 6 frames
20:48 Jordach that allows anyone to build a skybox built from blender directly
20:50 Fixer fuck, cmakelists was updated
20:51 Fixer Jordach: you have custom client now? that sucks
20:51 Fixer Jordach: your game should be playable on cleanest minetest
20:51 Jordach Fixer, my build was a normal one
20:51 Fixer okay
20:53 Jordach sofar, when can the sun and moon be rendered in a skybox
20:55 paramat when we code it
21:00 Fixer kinda relevant to minetest development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE
21:06 Jordach also, sofar, you're a potato
21:06 Jordach your skyboxes are rotated 90 degrees
21:06 Jordach (in blender's z axis)
21:08 Fixer mmmm... potatoes
21:13 Fixer any ideas why there is corn on those pictures? https://twitter.com/CyberEveryword
21:13 Fixer omg
21:14 Fixer can't walk past the door
21:14 Fixer what the actual fuck
21:39 Jordach okay
21:39 Jordach there
21:39 Jordach it all fits
21:40 kaeza that's what she said
21:41 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/bmtis8R.jpg
21:41 Jordach and with this
21:42 Jordach you can render a easy skybox with Cycles
21:49 paramat how do you do smooth changes of sky brightness and appearence for day and night?
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22:23 Fixer oh boy
22:24 Fixer every time i ride a boat in river on public server, my OCD goes up
22:31 Calinou news reports: FTTH Subscriptions Going Up After Minetest Adding Public Server Boats
22:32 red-001 FITH?
22:32 Calinou Fiber To The Home
22:32 red-001 oh lol
22:32 Calinou one of the lowest pings you can get (and highest speeds)
22:35 Jordach Calinou, 85-95 avg ping to US east here
22:38 Fixer Calinou: public server carts!
22:38 Fixer Jordach: 180 ms to US
22:41 Jordach Calinou, now got a way to automate producing a skybox to work with sofar's mod
22:55 Jordach blob:http://imgur.com/41b51d7f-9​d0b-4402-926f-dcb101708e2a
22:55 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/sv69sh7.png
22:55 Jordach *reeeee*
22:56 Jordach Calinou, ^^
23:04 rubenwardy noie
23:04 rubenwardy *noise
23:04 rubenwardy any examples?
23:04 rubenwardy *noice
23:05 Fixer O_O
23:05 Fixer btw, about boats
23:05 Fixer they are somewhat jittery
23:05 Fixer from time to time
23:05 Fixer jitter is rare but very shitty
23:06 Fixer will record gif (but not today), it is more like flickering
23:13 Calinou hi rubenwardy
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23:15 rubenwardy yo
23:17 rubenwardy Calinou, found a secure way to have https on github pages: http://blog.rubenwardy.com/2017/05/05/HT​TPS-with-github-pages-and-custom-domain/
23:17 rubenwardy lol, should probably set it up for that domain
23:24 Jordach rubenwardy, rendering...
23:24 Jordach want to see how fucking cool this is?
23:25 * Jordach waits for OCL kernels to finish
23:26 * Jordach did a speedy render
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23:30 * Jordach renders
23:31 * Fixer sits
23:31 Jordach i think paramat might like it ;)
23:31 Fixer good night!
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23:38 Jordach paramat, rubenwardy https://jordach.net/Images/Screensh​ots/screenshot_20170507_003730.png
23:38 Jordach quick and dirty
23:39 paramat heh i do like it
23:39 Jordach getting dimensions right was a challenge
23:40 paramat you can have standard clouds in front of a skybox now
23:40 Jordach paramat, ancient build
23:45 Jordach paramat, https://jordach.net/Images/Screensh​ots/screenshot_20170507_004457.png
23:50 Calinou rubenwardy: I thought they had it by default?
23:50 Calinou enabled on all sites
23:50 Calinou https://calinou.github.io/ works
23:50 paramat is the ring vertical when you face it? looks tilted
23:50 Calinou and I haven't done anything special, there's no custom domain though
23:51 rubenwardy https://rubenwardy.com
23:59 rubenwardy does anyone know DNS?

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