Time  Nick         Message
00:03 Fixer        sofar: i suspected that...
00:04 Fixer        gn
00:51 Jordach      sofar, oh?
01:38 benrob0329   hello
03:53 * benrob0329 sneaks in
05:14 octacian     Night all.
08:07 * shivajiva  sneaks in and waves
08:14 Amaz         Hi shiva :)
08:15 shivajiva    Hi Amaz :)
08:26 tenplus1     hi folks
08:37 Amaz         Hi ten
08:39 tenplus1     hi amaz :)
08:40 tenplus1     excuse the delay, was nomming oatmeal :D
08:42 Amaz         :)
08:45 tenplus1     ooh, today's build has fading sounds and cloud colours :) nice
08:46 Amaz         Very odd cloud colours at sunset, apparently :P https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5693#issuecomment-298769893
08:47 tenplus1     clouds do have a tendency of turning pink/yellow/orange
08:47 Amaz         But green? :P
08:48 tenplus1     isnt their an issue with mixed up rgb values for that ?
08:48 Amaz         Yeah
08:48 Amaz         I think that it's being fixed :)
08:49 tenplus1     o.O gotta wait and see how it works out
08:50 tenplus1     I really want the find_node_near and find_lightlevel_near pulls added, those will be of great value
08:50 Amaz         Yup
08:53 tenplus1     but at present clouds seem to have prescedence :P
08:54 Amaz         :P
09:23 tenplus1     hi sniper
09:45 tenplus1     github.com/tenplus1/pbj_pup updated with simplified code (spawns nyan and pup both)
10:48 tenplus1     hi fixer
10:58 Fixer        hi
10:59 Zeno`        purple clouds are not uncommon IRL
10:59 tenplus1     hi Zeno`
10:59 Zeno`        hi
11:00 Fixer        seen those too
11:00 Zeno`        https://www.flickr.com/photos/australimage/4774028386/in/album-72157624448743122/
11:01 tenplus1     http://www.ilikewallpaper.net/ipad-wallpapers/download/1742/Green-Clouds-ipad-wallpaper-ilikewallpaper_com.jpg
11:02 Zeno`        blue clouds (natural colour): https://www.flickr.com/photos/australimage/4878274825/in/album-72157623112147836/
11:04 Zeno`        purple: https://www.flickr.com/photos/australimage/4678462170/in/album-72157623112147836/  (same session as previous link)
11:37 tenplus1     hi Krock
11:37 Krock        hi tenplus1
11:37 tenplus1     how's thigns
11:37 tenplus1     er... how's things :P
11:37 Krock        you're mean, do you know that? really. Whenever I join this channel and think you're here, you aren't. And now that I forgot it, you're here and attack me with this "hi" from the backside
11:38 Krock        </somewhat_serious></irony>
11:38 tenplus1     lolol
11:39 Krock        oh, I'm just wondering how I can push my sneak pull through the approval shredder to still have something when it's all "corrected"
11:39 tenplus1     sounds like a challenge :P
11:39 Krock        indeed, it is.
11:40 tenplus1     many pulls that folk are waiting to be added for 0.4.16...  should be a sorta priority list
11:40 Krock        there's already a list :P
11:40 tenplus1     really ? cant remember seeing it...
11:40 Krock        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/projects
11:40 tenplus1     ooh, never seen this before o.O thx dude
11:41 Krock        np ^^
11:41 tenplus1     aw, cant see find_?_near pulls in there
11:44 tenplus1     ehe
11:45 Krock        well, they're usually quite slow. lots of node checks, surely worse as bigger the radius is
11:45 Krock        but better than an implementation in Lua :3
11:45 tenplus1     very true, but I would have liked the find_node_near centre bool added cause that is a lot faster than find_nodes_in_area check
11:46 tenplus1     so could potentially speed up mods
11:53 tenplus1     hi Jordach
11:55 nerzhul      Krock, yeah a pure core implemented can help, maybe an enhancement can be a callback function for each node ?
11:55 tenplus1     hi nrz
11:56 nerzhul      hi tenplus1
11:57 nerzhul      i should finish the screen PR, it seems 68% of users wants to set it properly and Zeno` tell us an interesting idea to check the screen size to ensure it doesn't be greater than current
11:58 Krock        s/implemented/implementation/ (noun)
11:59 Krock        the overall performance always suffers if you add many callbacks
12:00 Krock        but this means that the MT window only can be made bigger but not smaller, if it gets too big
12:01 Krock        not sure if that's a good idea. Yet another setting (C)(R)(TM)(MT) maybe could help out of it
12:05 tenplus1     bbl
12:07 Zeno`        huh
12:08 Zeno`        no... it means that when launching if the window size is greater than the screen size then the screen size is used instead
12:08 Zeno`        I refactored that part of the code ages ago but cannot recall if the check is made
12:08 nerzhul      Zeno`, yeah i didn't explained it correctly :)
12:09 Krock        oh
12:10 Zeno`        apart from window manager bugs this would take care of the very rare (probably) cases where people go back to a smaller monitor size
12:30 benrob0329   Hello
12:31 Krock        hi benrob0329
12:32 benrob0329   Hi Krock, RobbieF
12:32 Krock        hi RobbieF
12:32 RobbieF      \o
12:36 benrob0329   Hi CWz
12:57 benrob0329   Minetest + wield animations + knockback = prime fps engine
12:58 Fixer        still no wield tools visible in hands...
12:58 Fixer        it is 2017
12:59 benrob0329   We just need 3D models for tools
12:59 Fixer        knockback will be fun
12:59 Zeno`        we just need to get rid of irrlicht :)
12:59 Fixer        benrob0329: just merge 3darmor mod into the game?
13:00 benrob0329   I mean 3D models for wield items/tools, for player
13:03 benrob0329   Zeno`: probably
13:03 Fixer        https://github.com/Minefix/MineFix kek
13:03 Fixer        another one
13:04 benrob0329   *facedesk*
13:20 benrob0329   (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/pG8RAbWs1yo
13:43 Fixer        minetest-australopithecus/minetest-australopithecus
14:03 Fixer        https://github.com/mosstest/mosstest kek
14:21 Wayward_One  hi all
14:23 Krock        Fixer, open an issue to ask if they could port it to C++
14:24 Krock        xD
14:29 Wayward_One  hmm, getting some random couple-second freezes i've never experienced before..
14:34 red-001      ^
17:03 * Megaf      waves
17:08 Krock        ~~~\o/~~~
17:08 Krock        too strong waves, I'm drowning
17:08 Krock        give me fire as in fox to surf on it
17:27 Shara        Hello all
17:27 Krock        hi Shara
17:30 Fixer        Krock: smell waves?
17:31 Krock        no, water waves
17:36 Krock        \o/ kaeza
17:36 kaeza        o/ Krock
19:23 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/AXYi5Wq.png magic
19:24 Fixer        https://github.com/ForbiddenJ/stained_glass good stuff
19:25 paramat      minefix: "Wait, what is wrong with Minetest? Sadly the focus of Minetest isn't being a perfect Minecraft clone." :]
19:27 Shara        Fixer: Does it do anything other than plain coloured stained glass?
19:30 Fixer        Shara: just coloured glass and panes :)
19:30 Shara        So nothing new for me then. :)
19:30 Shara        I'm always interested in different ideas for stained glass :)
19:31 Shara        I ran out of things to add to my mod after the portholes.
19:31 Fixer        paramat: tbh minetest misses some great stuff from MC, in terms of physics, collisions, knockback
19:40 Fixer        "a minetest mod that gives the user a compass with a list of bookmars and a hud displaying pos and distance. This is a fork of TeTpaAka's compass+ mod which was a fork of Echo's compass mod "
19:41 Fixer        this is how it ends up when default is so poor, you have fork of fork of fork...
19:45 Shara        Or when lots of people just want to experiment.
19:54 paramat      "so poor" thanks a lot :]
20:05 red-001      what does colored chat look like to old clients?
20:05 paramat      considering MT in terms of what it 'misses' compared to the world's 2nd most popular game with a large professional deveopment company with a market value of 2 billion, is the wrong attitude
20:09 paramat      'missing' is the wrong word, is negative and means 'lacking'. 'has different features to' is a better attitude
20:15 paramat      there's a big forum thread about what MT is 'missing from MC', the title amuses me and i never enter the thread because the attitude is wrong
20:16 Shara        paramat: I've never played MC, and would much rather MT does it's own thing. I don't see the point of just trying to mimic something else.
20:16 Calinou      clones are good things, sometimes
20:16 Calinou      I think Minecraft does a lot of things right
20:17 Calinou      take good ideas from any place, even from bad places
20:17 Shara        Maybe, but my issue is copying for copyings sake, which seems to be the approach of some I've spoken to
20:24 paramat      by the way, i've noticed how blue raindrops look silly, you were right about grey looking better
20:25 paramat      or rather 'clear'
20:26 Shara        :)
20:26 Shara        I still need to test that mod.
20:29 paramat      https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/3686677/25511231/76c8e28e-2bbd-11e7-8d0c-867e1bac9db6.png my rain
20:29 Shara        Much better :D
20:43 Fixer        paramat: it went much better after you started work on it, it was a disaster, right now it is getting better, still a sandbox
20:43 Fixer        i mean minetest_game
20:45 paramat      :]
20:46 Fixer        at the time of ~~ 0.4.12 it stalled as hell, and then things started to changed, including in engine
20:46 Fixer        engine had a lot of great work
20:46 paramat      yes still just a basic core for mods to be added too
20:48 Fixer        MC has some very good stuff to copy, for example inventory management tricks, they are damn impressive
20:53 Fixer        or look into weather mods... or hopper mods, i stopped counting %)
20:53 Fixer        mob mods
20:53 Fixer        so many
20:54 Fixer        it is good to have choice
20:55 Fixer        still it does feel MC did it right by including mobs, farming, mob farming, automation in game (magic stuff can be omitted), you can do much more with that
20:55 Fixer        default is already good as a sandbox
20:57 Fixer        creative sandbox, or ultra peaceful sulvival (since no hunger, no mobs)
20:59 Fixer        it will be discussed eventually i guess
20:59 Fixer        engine gets better and better, that allows building even better games
21:06 Fixer        i missed knockback for long time
21:23 nerzhul      thanks sofar for your support :p
21:23 sofar        ahahaha
21:24 Fixer        incorrect sunshadows on dx10 render with older ATI-AMD cards (couldn't fix)
21:24 Fixer        heil ATI
21:25 sofar        I'd love incorrect shadows in minetest
21:25 Fixer        i can only imagine the FPS
21:30 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/KKvKEl0.jpg
21:31 Fixer        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGAQnT4ZmGA holy shit
21:31 Fixer        that performance
21:32 Shara        Does MT even consider LOD?
21:32 Fixer        on that video vrange 1024 with i7-4790k and GTX 780ti, guy had 30-60 fps
21:33 Fixer        now imagine this in Minetest
21:33 Fixer        that will be like 1 fps
21:33 Fixer        vrange 512 - over 100 fps
21:33 Fixer        insane
21:34 Fixer        that is MC w10 edition (written in cpp)
21:36 sofar        you know, we really should render the arm just like we render the player model
21:36 sofar        I understand how MT came to render the player hand
21:36 sofar        but it's just dumb at this point
21:39 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/bfhhpdy.jpg
21:39 Fixer        thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/3f3zi4/100_chunk_render_distance_in_win10_edition/
21:42 Fixer        sofar: what if render body too? like in Operation Flashpoint..
21:43 Fixer        -ck, bug disoriented me
21:57 Hijiri       I thought of a hack to implement the kind of thing in MC where shift-clicking a stack will put it in a different inventory depending on the item (e.g. fuel goes in the fuel slot, other things in the smelt slot)
21:57 Hijiri       you could have an inventory list in the node that isn't shown in the formspec, and you have all shift-clicks send items there
21:58 Hijiri       then you use the put item callback to then dispatch on what kind of item it is
21:58 Hijiri       and move it to the correct list
21:59 Hijiri       at least this should work if formspecs are allowed to specify itemlist ring things to inventory lists that aren't actually visible in the formspec