Time  Nick         Message
00:11 paramat      not sure, few artists are able to earn money from it
00:12 paramat      and the best art tends to be more uncommercial
00:47 benrob0329   Crap, my desktop doesnt see any boot devices..
02:16 benrob0329   Huh, whilst doing regular maintenance on my computer, I found one of my fans disconnected
03:40 benrob0329   hmm, I'm really not sure why my bios doesn't see my ssd as a boot drive
03:40 benrob0329   Its there, and mountable
03:41 benrob0329   But it doesn't boot from it
07:33 tenplus1     hi folks
07:40 sofar        https://github.com/sofar/mtmediasrv
07:40 tenplus1     hi nrz
07:43 Zeno`        interesting. What's it do?
07:43 Zeno`        hi tenplus1, sofar
07:43 sofar        properly implement the minetest media server protocol
07:44 sofar        as fastcgi daemon
07:44 sofar        instead of doing it the dumb way, or broken
07:44 sofar        since the client POST's the data, you can't use a webserver only
07:44 tenplus1     hi zeno
07:44 sofar        you have to do actual processing on the server
07:45 Zeno`        perhaps the sentence "it will talk to minetest clients that request media automatically" but rephrased should be put near the top of the readme
07:45 Zeno`        Just so it's clear without reading it all (who reads it all? :D)
07:45 tenplus1     lol
07:45 Zeno`        I will test later. Looks good
07:48 sofar        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17411
07:48 sofar        sure, suggestions welcome
07:51 sofar        Zeno`: read the top part of the forum post again
07:52 Zeno`        yeah, that's better. I like summaries at the top :)
07:52 tenplus1     +1
07:52 sofar        btw
07:52 sofar        I actually want to grow this thing to a "community" media server
07:52 sofar        one where we can all use a central one
07:53 sofar        and then get a CDN to serve it for us
07:53 tenplus1     but, what happens if the media server goes down ?
07:53 sofar        that's what a CDN is for
07:54 sofar        and even if the CDN is down, the clients can always get the assets directly from the mt server they are connecting to
07:54 sofar        so, that's like 2 safety nets
07:55 tenplus1     ah kewl
07:55 sofar        the whole idea is faster connection times, less play lag when someone connects
07:55 sofar        the server still needs to send nodedefs
07:55 sofar        but without mb's of images and sounds, it'll help a ton
07:57 sofar        bed
07:57 * sofar      is gone
08:03 nrzkt        hi tenplus1hi Zeno`
08:03 tenplus1     o/
08:03 Zeno`        \o
08:03 nrzkt        sofar: you think about a game but we are an engine :p
08:03 benrob0329   tenplus1: Vidme is not censoring politically incorect videos
08:04 benrob0329   In fact, they were probably moving his videos to the politics catagory (thus making them ineligible for the trending page)
08:05 nrzkt        sofar: sounds interesting, i can host a node if needed in France, i have 1Gb connection in a datacenter
08:05 benrob0329   And consequently, making them disapeer from the catagory he went to look for
08:05 nrzkt        i also have a varnish, acme client etc
08:06 tenplus1     hope that is what's happening ben :P
08:06 benrob0329   Thays the official word frm Vidme
08:06 benrob0329   Most things are done by hand, because algorithms aren't implimented yet
08:14 tenplus1     having a flag setup where viewers report weird and bad videos would be a good way
08:17 benrob0329   I believe they already have a flag video option
08:18 tenplus1     rather than an algorithm checkning and returning many false positives like yotube, leave it in the hands of the viewers
08:18 benrob0329   BTW, if a guy named Jiff_ ever joins a channel...
08:18 benrob0329   Ban him
08:18 tenplus1     what he do ?
08:19 benrob0329   don't hesitate, he is a troll, he doesn't respect licenses or law, and is generally just going ti piss everybody off
08:19 tenplus1     ahh
08:20 benrob0329   Basically: he doesn't give a shit about anything but his personal "freedoms", but doesn't bother to respect the laws which give them to him
08:20 tenplus1     anarchist
08:20 benrob0329   basically
08:20 benrob0329   But a troll anarchist
08:22 tenplus1     lol
08:22 benrob0329   before I actually go to bed, eould anybody be interested in having a fork of MTG for controversial/exparamental changes (including to gameplay) could be fleshed out?
08:22 benrob0329   Pared with a server
08:23 tenplus1     if you plop it on github for all to see then comments, recommendations and pulls will be added
08:23 benrob0329   I might set that thay up when I get a few minutes then
08:24 benrob0329   A $5 a month linode (its running vanilla, after all) and a githib repo should be plenty
08:25 benrob0329   Ill grant write acess to mtg devs (and proabably major modders)
08:25 tenplus1     *boop*
08:26 benrob0329   Think of it like, minetest-next, but with the end goal of getting merged back
08:27 tenplus1     and again I say... we NEED a [game] tab on the startup menu that is able to scroll through and download different games for use
08:28 benrob0329   Yes, but having a fun default game is good aswell
08:28 benrob0329   Should the githib repo be in its own group thing?
08:28 benrob0329   *github
08:28 tenplus1     of course, :) but that will take time to accomplish... in the meantime having the ability to play different games from the main menu is a handy thing to have, especially for adnroid users
08:29 tenplus1     upload as a normal git mod which contains a folder with the game folder/mods inside
08:30 tenplus1     makes it easier to download and plop into games to test and work on
08:31 benrob0329   I'm planning on a mtg fork
08:31 benrob0329   But individual mods would work as well
08:32 benrob0329   What should the group be called?
08:32 tenplus1     that's fine... so for example a folder called   benrob_game   with   menu, mods and .conf settings inside that
08:32 benrob0329   Do subgames need to be named outside of the folder?
08:32 tenplus1     https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_skyblock
08:33 tenplus1     example from Cat5tv's skyblock server
08:33 benrob0329   Because renaming the forked mtg would make editing easier
08:33 tenplus1     copy the mintest_game folder itself, rename it and the game.conf title and upload... and from there change/upload/etc
08:33 tenplus1     that gives you a custom game for all to work with
08:34 benrob0329   meh, I want this to be as close to official as possible, so that changes have to possibility to be easily merged
08:34 benrob0329   And pulled
08:34 benrob0329   *the possibility
08:34 tenplus1     easily done :P
08:35 benrob0329   But seriosly, what should the group be called?
08:36 benrob0329   Minetest-Game-Exparamental?
08:36 benrob0329   MTG-Test?
08:36 tenplus1     whatever you wanna call the new [game]...   "Minetest Gamma"
08:36 shivajiva    Hi folks :)
08:36 tenplus1     hi shiva
08:36 benrob0329   its not a seperate game, its moddified mtg
08:37 benrob0329   And only meant to be that, a testing ground
08:37 red-005      Minetest Omega
08:37 benrob0329   I like it, actually
08:37 tenplus1     you only need a name that separates it from "minetest-game" that players can select from the list when making a new world...
08:37 tenplus1     plus, Minetest Gamma = MTG :)
08:37 benrob0329   ahhh
08:38 benrob0329   I.see what you did there :-)
08:38 red-005      or maybe epsilon
08:38 tenplus1     and from there you can tweak what ya like :P
08:39 Shara        Hi all
08:39 tenplus1     hey Shara
08:39 Shara        benrob0329: More games = good
08:39 Shara        But it depends what you mean by controversial changes.
08:40 shivajiva    benrob: sorry could you clear up if exparamental is a pun or just bad spelling
08:40 benrob0329   Shara: its just a testing ground for mtg
08:40 benrob0329   New changes to be tested in multiplayer etc
08:40 benrob0329   I'm going to set up a server soon
08:40 Shara        Well, I can't tell you if I'd be interested without knowing what kind of controversial :P
08:41 benrob0329   But if the need be, a full subgame coukd come out of it
08:41 benrob0329   Like, the prs thay sit for years
08:41 benrob0329   Because no one is for, or against it
08:41 tenplus1     yeah, they just accumulate
08:41 Shara        That's indifference, not controversial though
08:41 benrob0329   Or everyone is for, or against it
08:41 tenplus1     I still have two for falling blocks that hurt player and creative privelage
08:42 Shara        Just not really sure what the point of having a server for semi-random PRs just because they've been ignored would be
08:44 benrob0329   Shara: but also for new changes to be tested
08:44 Shara        Most people who want to test want to test in an environment they have control of though
08:44 tenplus1     and if they work on server in a fully playable game then devs take notice and may add to default
08:45 benrob0329   For eg I want to merge stu's railnet, but it needs testing
08:45 benrob0329   https://github.com/Minetest-Omega/minetest_game
08:45 Shara        SO I guess I just want more info about what you plan to test :P
08:45 benrob0329   also #minetest-omega
08:45 benrob0329   Just random things to improve mtg
08:45 benrob0329   A roadplan can be created
08:46 benrob0329   But I don't have one yet
08:46 tenplus1     hi cal
08:46 Shara        Gotta go anyhow, but will keep an eye for it
08:46 Shara        See you all
08:46 benrob0329   Bye!
08:47 benrob0329   I gtg to bed, feel free to make exparamental changes n such
08:47 tenplus1     cya rob
08:47 Calinou      hi
08:47 Calinou      had an issue with my VPS, it was stuck at 100% used RAM and one of the CPUs at 100% since 3:30AM…
08:47 Calinou      had to reboot it
08:48 Calinou      also hi benrob0329
08:48 benrob0329   tenplus1: I invited you to the group, feel free to invite anyone who's trustworthy and interested
08:48 tenplus1     :P
08:54 benrob0329   Ok now I feel like it should be minetest-gamma
08:54 tenplus1     lololol
08:54 benrob0329   Hold.on
08:54 * tenplus1   rewatched "The Epicness of Ethereal" video...
08:55 tenplus1     mesa biomes have dirt on top now and I really gotta add bushes
08:56 benrob0329   https://github.com/minetest-gamma
08:56 benrob0329   Boom, mt-g
08:56 tenplus1     ehehe
08:56 tenplus1     game.conf file, change name inside to "Minetest Gamma" so you can select whenc reating world
08:59 benrob0329   Feel free to change it, its almost 5 am here
08:59 tenplus1     sleepy time :P
08:59 benrob0329   #minetest-gamma
09:27 tenplus1     hi gary
09:27 tenplus1     Ethereal NG has been updated, bushes now added to mapgen
09:28 shivajiva    heh better voice him if you want a reply :)
09:29 shivajiva    Hi gary
09:29 shivajiva    automated rejoin I guess
09:39 tenplus1     laters all
10:30 Fixer        nrzkt: nerzhul deb does not have minetest_game included, what i get when running minetestserver https://i.imgur.com/hA5wavk.png
10:41 nrzkt        oh yeah i didn't packages it yet but it launch it's the minimum :p
10:41 nrzkt        packaged*
10:41 nrzkt        but yes i should clone minetest game in artifact to package it
14:05 benrob0329   Hello all
14:10 RobbieF      hi benrob0329
14:10 benrob0329   Hey RobbieF
14:11 benrob0329   what's up?
14:12 RobbieF      Today is Episode 500 of Category5 Technology TV  :D
14:14 benrob0329   Cool cool
14:22 kaeza        greetings
14:24 benrob0329   Hi kaeza
14:26 tenplus1     hi folks
14:26 Amaz         Hello ten and everyone else :)
14:26 tenplus1     hi amaz
14:33 benrob0329   Hi tenplus1
14:33 tenplus1     hi benrob
14:34 benrob0329   Hi Amaz
14:47 benrob0329   https://github.com/shaunlebron/blinky
14:47 benrob0329   that for MT would be awesome
15:13 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/Wa7VbnT.png v7
15:14 tenplus1     nice
15:32 benrob0329   Noice
15:33 Jordach      n o i c e
15:39 sofar        should be entirely possible in MT
15:39 benrob0329   sofar, Jordach #minetest-gamma
15:40 tenplus1     still gotta rename the folder it's inside benrob...
15:40 benrob0329   (If you didn't read the logs, I'm setting up an experimental fork of mtg for use on a server)
15:41 sofar        fork? I'm sorry, no time for forks for me
15:41 benrob0329   tenplus1: I know, I've gotta do that once I get back on my computer
15:41 tenplus1     :P
15:41 benrob0329   sofar: Its not thay kind of fork
15:42 sofar        oh a fork of minetest_game
15:42 benrob0329   Its meant for testing things and showing that they work well
15:42 benrob0329   I'm going to set up a server as soon as I can
15:44 benrob0329   Why Gamma?
15:44 benrob0329   MT-G
15:45 benrob0329   Also, this isn't for alpha or beta testing, but rather gamma testing :P
15:50 benrob0329   https://github.com/minetest-gamma
15:50 sofar        remember to also run a gamma minetest then at all times
15:52 benrob0329   sofar: is there any other way to live, than on the bleeding edge?
15:52 sofar        sure there is
15:52 sofar        comfortably and relaxed
15:52 sofar        not anxious that things will break any moment ;)
15:53 benrob0329   Heh, but thats not nearly as interesting
15:53 nore         hmmmm so what is the objective of minetest-gamma?
15:53 tenplus1     hi nore
15:53 nore         hi all :)
15:54 benrob0329   nore: To improve mtg
15:54 benrob0329   Through the testing of mt-g
15:54 benrob0329   Basically pulls can get merges for gameplay tests
15:54 benrob0329   *merged
15:55 nore         oh, interesting :)
15:55 nore         now we only do to develop minetest game for real :)
15:55 Fixer        kekekekeke
15:55 Fixer        sorry
15:55 nrzkt        if idea is to improve minetest_game, just improve minetest_game
15:55 nrzkt        if idea is to restart from scratch (better), just do it
15:55 tenplus1     hi nrz
15:55 nrzkt        n ite
15:56 nrzkt        hi tenplus1
15:56 benrob0329   I have a few in mind that id like to get merged, but I think they may have fallen out of mergability :-(
15:56 tenplus1     which ones ?
15:56 benrob0329   Sofars chests for eg
15:56 tenplus1     link me :P
15:57 benrob0329   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/793
15:58 benrob0329   Also testing railnet to see if its suitable for use in mtg
15:58 benrob0329   (I'm probably going to have a few mods to help with testing)
16:06 benrob0329   sofar: mtg devs and some major modders will have write access to the repo
16:21 tenplus1     hi DI3HARD139
16:21 DI3HARD139   hello tenplus1
16:21 Calinou      https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/article408/my-house-has-been-robbed
16:28 Fixer        Calinou: wth is that?
16:37 tenplus1     hi Krock
16:37 Krock        hi 11
16:39 Krock        anything new?
16:40 tenplus1     updated Ethereal NG to add new bushes
16:40 tenplus1     you?
16:41 Krock        hmm.. afaik nothing new at all here
16:42 Wayward_One  Hi all :)
16:42 tenplus1     hi wayward
16:43 Krock        hi Wayward_1
16:43 Wayward_One  :P
16:45 benrob0329   Hi Krock, Wayward_One
16:45 Wayward_One  hi benrob0329
16:45 Krock        hello benrob14
16:46 benrob0329   roben1430
16:46 benrob0329   :P
16:46 benrob0329   Its my evil twin
16:53 tenplus1     hi paramat
16:53 Krock        hello paramat
16:53 Krock        tenplus1, how do you do that?
16:53 tenplus1     do what ?
16:53 Krock        hi benrob03291
16:53 tenplus1     wb benrob0329
16:53 Krock        HA
16:53 Krock        (not quite sure if I was faster this time)
16:53 tenplus1     :P
16:53 Krock        you're tying near lightspeed
16:54 Krock        *typing
16:54 tenplus1     watching NathanS' latest vid on nssm 3.0...  the pathfinding has an issue with snow ... pah!
16:56 Shara        Hi all
16:56 Krock        hi Shara
16:56 Wayward_One  hi Shara
16:56 tenplus1     wb shara
16:56 Krock        tenplus1, this time I was definitely faster :P
16:56 garywhite    Hi Shara
16:56 Krock        hi garywhite
16:56 tenplus1     lol
16:56 garywhite    Hi Krock
16:56 garywhite    hi ten
16:57 tenplus1     heyas :P
16:57 tenplus1     wow, robbie was quick in adding that pull
17:05 Wayward_One  https://www.reddit.com/r/RemixOS/comments/65c8jh/my_probelais_tha_rimix_os_some_app_fon_note_run/
17:05 tenplus1     why was snow changed to not walkable, and then back again ?
17:08 Wayward_One  tenplus1, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1271
17:08 tenplus1     thanks wayward
17:10 Wayward_One  np
17:10 tenplus1     thin snow really messes up line of sight attacks
17:37 tenplus1     wb nrz
17:40 Fixer        me watching minetest-dev https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9wdtexXkAARcWN.jpg:large
17:40 tenplus1     lol
17:41 nerzhul      Fixer, https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/builds/14615170/artifacts/file/build/deb/minetest.deb should have minetest_game embedded
17:42 nerzhul      tenplus1, which version of lubuntu do you have ?
17:42 nerzhul      i should change the version scheme to invert adte
17:42 tenplus1       17.04
17:42 nerzhul      date
17:43 nerzhul      tenplus1, you can test https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/builds/14615177/artifacts/file/build/deb/minetest.deb ?
17:43 nerzhul      it conflicts with regular minetest package warning :)
17:43 nerzhul      but you can reinstall it after deinstall staging properly
17:43 tenplus1     what changes does it have to normal mtg ?
17:44 nerzhul      oh it's just for test, it's master - 1 day + minetest_game master atm
17:44 nerzhul      if you can test the client :)
17:47 tenplus1     works fine
17:49 nerzhul      you run client or server only ?
17:50 tenplus1     ran as singleplayer and local network
17:52 celeron55    http://i.imgur.com/uLYBplv.png hmmm...
17:52 tenplus1     ooh
17:53 celeron55    that's just about what you can achieve using a pickaxe around here
17:53 celeron55    lol
17:53 tenplus1     ehehehe yeah,
17:53 tenplus1     damn, mobs api's line_of_sight has issue with flat nodeboxes like snow/carpet... pah!!!!
17:54 nerzhul      tenplus1, nice :
17:55 tenplus1     you putting it up for download on mt site ?
17:59 nerzhul      not atm it's experimental on my branch on gitlab.com, i need to add dependencies
17:59 nerzhul      and after that push artifact build on github, sync manually gitlab.com (it's done every day automaticly)
17:59 nerzhul      look https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/pipelines/7732045
17:59 tenplus1     :P
18:00 nerzhul      i added build for all those distro (thanks docker for permitting this easily)
18:00 nerzhul      deb are okay except deps, and after i need to do rpm, maybe snap and other snap concurrent
18:00 nerzhul      flatpunk
18:00 nerzhul      restarting my irc client
18:01 tenplus1     snap vs flatpak
18:01 nerzhul      back
18:03 Calinou      Fixer: popular free culture artist
18:03 Calinou      his house has been robbed, with fairly valuable stuff
18:06 tenplus1     shame... hope insurance covers it
18:09 Calinou      yes, he's saying he's dealing with insurance right now
18:09 Calinou      getting proof is really hard though
18:09 tenplus1     <fingers crossed>
18:09 garywhite    What country does he live in Calinou? In the US or somewhere in Europe?
18:10 Krock        France
18:10 Calinou      I don't know, maybe France, he's French IIRC
18:10 Krock        no?
18:11 Krock        vote the pencil btw :P
18:11 garywhite    Oh. If he was from the States I would have suggested an indoor security camera, but idk if they sell those over there. I would think they would
18:11 Calinou      Krock: yeah, we vote on Sunday
18:11 Calinou      garywhite: indoor cameras are not always proof from a legal point of view
18:12 Calinou      they sure do help
18:12 Calinou      but they're not guarantees you'll get insurance
18:17 garywhite    Yeah, but they do help
18:27 tenplus1     hi rubenwardy
18:28 rubenwardy   hi tenplus1
18:34 sofar        FYI for those hosting a remote media server:
18:34 sofar        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17411&p=264611#p264611
18:34 sofar        mtmediasrv is now a one-stop-shop to running a minetest remote media server
18:35 sofar        point it at your asset folders (mod directory, game dir) and start it, it does everything
18:35 sofar        I can make binary builds for people who would like it
18:41 Calinou      you know Go? nice
18:44 nerzhul      go is not very difficult to learn when you know C/C++
18:45 Calinou      yeah, I guess
18:45 Calinou      tenplus1: you when you make your knockback mod: http://i.imgur.com/TuISmiO.gifv
18:46 tenplus1     muhahaha
18:47 nerzhul      we are working on this with Dumbeldor
18:47 nerzhul      a real native knockback api with client support
18:47 nerzhul      it's better than use the SAO protocol
18:48 tenplus1     https://github.com/tenplus1/playerplus <-- has player knockback added
18:59 sofar        https://github.com/sofar/mtmediasrv/releases/tag/v1 <- binary releases of mtmediasrv are available!
19:02 tenplus1     wb Megaf
19:03 Megaf        Hello onety one
19:03 tenplus1     :P
19:18 Dumbeldor    Yeah nerzhul
19:18 tenplus1     hi Dumbeldor
19:19 Dumbeldor    Hello
20:23 tenplus1     hi kaeza
20:23 kaeza        hello tenplus1
20:25 tenplus1     :P
20:38 * tenplus1   is exploring the royal shakespear theatre on Xanadu :PP nice build
20:42 tenplus1     nite
21:11 * Fixer      is exploring the nothing nothing on nothing :pp nice nothing
22:45 * Jordach    meows at benrob0329
22:45 * Jordach    meows at benrob03291
22:45 * sfan5      sits on Jordach
22:56 * benrob0329 roars at Jordach
22:58 benrob0329   Oh now you figure that out
22:58 celeron55    meow!
23:00 benrob0329   Beep Beep
23:00 * celeron55  nudges an expensive vase off the desk
23:00 * sofar      reconnects benrob0329
23:01 benrob0329   Why would you have an expensive vase on your desk?
23:01 Fixer        there is no vase...
23:01 Fixer        celeron55: do you have snow?
23:01 Fixer        _right now_
23:02 sfan5        even germany has snow so i'd expect finland to have some too
23:02 celeron55    i did hear ukraine has some, or... watched a video
23:02 benrob0329   that's a bit late in the year, no?
23:03 Fixer        celeron55: it does a lot, but not in my area
23:03 celeron55    there's no fresh snow but there is a bunch of icy dirty snow everywhere
23:03 celeron55    like, everywhere except roads
23:03 Fixer        celeron55: here is funny thing about this... exactly 1 year ago... it was +30*C in my place, this is fucked up
23:03 celeron55    not in southern finland though
23:04 Fixer        so 1 year ago you have +30*C, and this one is rain with +5*C or even snow - is not this... not fucked up?
23:04 sofar        45 degrees north and the mountain here is entirely white still
23:05 Fixer        i'm not living in some weird shit place... east europe
23:05 benrob0329   Fixer: where's global warming when you need it? :P
23:05 sofar        LOL
23:05 Fixer        i can have +20*C or -20*C in february, fuuuuuuuuuck
23:05 celeron55    well sounds like continental climate
23:06 benrob0329   sounds like michigan weather
23:06 Fixer        benrob0329: global warming? it is already bad enough to have >30*C much of the working day, Megaf knows better
23:06 Fixer        celeron55: yes
23:06 celeron55    i live near this small sea, it pulls the temperature always towards about 0°C
23:06 benrob0329   It can be 0*f one day, and a balmy 68*f the next
23:06 Fixer        celeron55: the problem is ... Ukraine has sea too, but fuck me anyway, can be -20*C one year, can +20*C year another
23:06 VanessaE     benrob0329: oh, you mean like North Carolina. :)
23:07 benrob0329   Midwestern weather apparently
23:07 Fixer        i had like +15*C near fucking New Year
23:07 Fixer        i was waiting snow & shit - nope
23:07 * benrob0329 find a c to f cheat sheet
23:08 celeron55    (or really, the weather in finland basically always comes from the atlantic ocean, first quickly flying over norway and sweden and then it's here; only on the rare occasions that the wind blows from somewhere else the weather can be weird
23:09 celeron55    )
23:09 Fixer        when you have +30 in the middle of... april... thats shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
23:09 benrob0329   Heh, -20*c is only -4*f
23:09 benrob0329   that's cute
23:09 benrob0329   http://www.gothereguide.com/travel_tools/temperature_conversion_cheatsheet.php
23:10 sofar        answer me this
23:10 Fixer        old people remember there were much more snow before, like in mid 19XX
23:10 sofar        what's the absolute 0 in F?
23:11 Fixer        will usa ever move to Celsius
23:11 Fixer        this is ridiculous
23:11 sofar        just after calexit
23:11 Fixer        finally
23:12 Jordach      -459.4
23:12 Fixer        kek
23:12 benrob0329   the us will move to Celsius when the US moves to metrick
23:12 Fixer        i wonder if they still measure weitgh in stones (wtf)
23:13 Fixer        weight
23:13 Jordach      Fixer, over here we use both
23:13 Fixer        f------k
23:13 benrob0329   Stones? If the stones are 1 pound each
23:13 benrob0329   And I don't mean €s
23:13 Fixer        my stone is bigger than your stone
23:14 Fixer        i've enlarged my sandstone... stone
23:14 garywhite    CalExit got dropped, the creators quickly packed up & moved to Russia
23:14 Fixer        garywhite: is not that guy... already lived in russia
23:14 sofar        a stone is not a pound
23:14 benrob0329   How do you know the size of my stone?
23:14 sofar        a stone is like 8kg
23:14 sofar        a pound is like 0.5kg
23:15 Fixer        russia hosts a lot of separatist/ultra(right/left) stuff, without domestic ones ofc %)
23:15 benrob0329   wait, a stone us actually a weight?
23:15 benrob0329   Huh, did not know that
23:15 Fixer        yep, it is that fucked up
23:15 rubenwardy   don't they use pounds in the US?
23:16 Fixer        same with left-side driving
23:16 garywhite    Yes, we use pounds
23:16 benrob0329   Yes
23:16 rubenwardy   I mean, from what I've seen on the interwebs
23:16 garywhite    We use pounds & ounces
23:16 Fixer        ounces is the worst
23:16 VanessaE     pounds? ounces?  bleh
23:16 Fixer        with metric system everything is so much simpler
23:16 rubenwardy   The UK mainly uses stones and pounds (ie: 10 st 2 pds)
23:16 rubenwardy   I use kgs though
23:16 Fixer        you have 1 liter/kilo... and whatever
23:16 Jordach      rubenwardy, no, we're using KG for a while now
23:16 benrob0329   16 oz in a pound, 2k pounds in a ton, etc
23:17 VanessaE     there's a reason that I stick to metric, despite being in the land of the hectare and the hogshead :P
23:17 Fixer        1 ton is 1000 kilograms
23:17 celeron55    a good cruising speed is at least 1 nanoparsecs per fortnight
23:17 nore         uh, didn't know stones existed, pounds are bad enough already :/
23:17 celeron55    i mean, 10
23:17 Fixer        VanessaE: hectare is 10 000 m^2
23:17 celeron55    wait, no, 1
23:17 Fixer        iirc
23:17 Fixer        VanessaE: or it is another kind of hectare?
23:17 Fixer        kek
23:17 benrob0329   My ocd welcomes metric
23:17 Jordach      i think c55 just short circuited, next thing we know we'll hear is perttu is alive :P
23:18 VanessaE     Fixer: no one ever speaks of them, and I was kidding anyway :)
23:18 sofar        warning, offtopic limit approachign rapidly!
23:18 benrob0329   Crap, I just lost my train of thought
23:18 VanessaE     celeron55: meh, that's too slow. :)
23:18 * sofar      drives home
23:18 rubenwardy   Jordach: I don't really hear many people use KG, most use stones and pounds
23:19 Jordach      rubenwardy, KG user exclusively, can't use imperial
23:19 Fixer        sofar: don't chat while driving
23:19 benrob0329   Oh yeah, that you have to have two sets of wrenches in the us
23:19 benrob0329   One metric, one imperial
23:20 Jordach      *musically tuned autistic screeching*
23:20 benrob0329   Because half the parts for stuff is imported nowadays
23:20 benrob0329   So your car probably has both in it
23:20 Fixer        benrob0329: now this part gets worse, because i've seen those pipes with inches and stuff... scary
23:20 Fixer        that inch crap still crops up even here
23:21 rubenwardy   well, same, Jordach
23:21 Fixer        benrob0329: our cars have km/h only
23:21 benrob0329   Just...SWITCH TO GISH DARN METRIC ALREADY!!
23:21 benrob0329   Sorry
23:21 Fixer        benrob0329: i believe usa is switching, kinda
23:22 benrob0329   This is one of those things that ticks me off
23:22 Fixer        benrob0329: nasa even had weird conversion errors
23:22 rubenwardy   the only measurements I use imperial for is miles / mph as they're just too hard baked into the road system
23:22 celeron55    inches and miles and stuff is too deep-rooted in all the speech and culture in US for regular people to switch
23:22 nore         rubenwardy: in the UK?
23:22 rubenwardy   yeah
23:22 celeron55    maybe in 5 generations or something, if they really try
23:23 benrob0329   We could switch, kids already learn it in school
23:23 nore         celeron55: well, when the metric system was invented in France it was used pretty quickly
23:23 Fixer        other countries also used that crap, yet they switched like 100 years ago and everybody is fine
23:23 nore         the time system with 10 days/week, 10 hours of 100 minutes of 100 seconds didn't stick though
23:24 Zeno`        well, that's because it's not circular
23:24 benrob0329   Sure, some would bitch about it, but everyone knows its a better system
23:24 Zeno`        maybe a time system based on radians would work though
23:25 benrob0329   Time is largely the same throughout the world, and has been hundreds if years
23:25 nore         Zeno`: no, it's easy to make it circular as well
23:25 benrob0329   7 days in a week has been around for thousands
23:25 nore         benrob0329: yeah, I think that's one of the reasons why it didn't work
23:26 Fixer        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar
23:26 benrob0329   had 8
23:26 benrob0329   Ik
23:27 shivajiva    nobody does time like the Hindus, it's scale is vast
23:27 benrob0329   Lets just all be glad that 12 to 24 hour time is ab easy convertion
23:28 celeron55    am/pm is probably the silliest thing ever
23:29 benrob0329   Now, as for why the calender changes over in the dead of night...who knows
23:29 benrob0329   Tbh it should change around sunrise
23:30 celeron55    well at summer around here, sunrise is at about at the same time as sunset so it works
23:30 celeron55    (lol)
23:30 shivajiva    http://veda.wikidot.com/vedic-time-system
23:30 celeron55    i mean, sunrise happens at different times, how can you make something "about" it
23:31 benrob0329   Around 6 am (or properly 0:00)
23:32 benrob0329   So, 6 or 5 o clock would reliably be around sunrise
23:32 celeron55    what if someone wakes up before that, like people do in many jobs
23:32 celeron55    do they wake up in the previous day then? not really
23:32 benrob0329   Then the calender rolls over after they wake up
23:33 celeron55    but the current clock works well for them
23:33 benrob0329   What if im awake past 12:00?
23:33 celeron55    well it's stupid as you're wasting daylight that way
23:33 benrob0329   Did I go to sleep in the next day?
23:33 celeron55    as you'll sleep over dawn
23:34 benrob0329   oyr days aren't tied to the sun
23:34 benrob0329   *our
23:34 celeron55    it's efficient to tie them to the sun
23:34 benrob0329   yes, but not always possible
23:36 benrob0329   DST needs to go though
23:41 shivajiva    if you take away imposed time you are left with the natural orbit and things revert back to the sun, the speed of light has changed since the beginning of the universe so our constants are relative ;)
23:42 Fixer        celeron55: i hate this am/pm bullshit, it is not used anywhere except one thing, actual speech, you can say 19:00 or 7:00 (depending on context)
23:44 shivajiva    a DS1307 clock chip uses it, so it was prevalent enough to be embedded
23:44 Fixer        if it is working day, you just say 8-12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 without mentioning am/pm crap, in email it is ofc 8:00-17:00 thing
23:44 VanessaE     what bugs me about 24-hour time is just the way some people read it.  "19:00" is never spoke as "nineteen o'clock" but "nineteen hundred hours"
23:44 Fixer        VanessaE: O_O
23:45 Fixer        this is top kek
23:45 Fixer        never heared this
23:45 Fixer        what the fuck
23:45 shivajiva    military time
23:45 Fixer        VanessaE: silly
23:45 VanessaE     yep.
23:47 Fixer        here everything is written in 24hr notations, on digital clocks, on everything
23:47 VanessaE     "seven pee em" just sounds better than "nineteen hundred hour" or "nineteen o'clock".
23:47 VanessaE     +s
23:48 Fixer        VanessaE: it is faster to say, thats why even when we use 24:00 system everywhere, in everyday speech i can just say I will be at seven...
23:48 rubenwardy   nineteen forty eight
23:49 Fixer        when i go somewhere at sunset i can say i will be at 10... unless you gonna be heavy drunk, then you will be at another 10
23:50 VanessaE     heh
23:50 Fixer        basically in speech you can drop am/pm part
23:50 Fixer        nobody is using am/pm part here even when saying in 12hr system
23:51 Fixer        you can understand it in context anyway
23:52 Fixer        sometimes ofc will be clarification 8 in morning or whatever
23:57 Fixer        to be clear, we don't use this clocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherd_Gate_Clock#/media/File:Greenwich_clock_1-manipulated.jpg
23:57 Fixer        we use 12 repeated twice, digital kinda works out of the box too