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00:11 paramat not sure, few artists are able to earn money from it
00:12 paramat and the best art tends to be more uncommercial
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00:47 benrob0329 Crap, my desktop doesnt see any boot devices..
02:16 benrob0329 Huh, whilst doing regular maintenance on my computer, I found one of my fans disconnected
03:40 benrob0329 hmm, I'm really not sure why my bios doesn't see my ssd as a boot drive
03:40 benrob0329 Its there, and mountable
03:41 benrob0329 But it doesn't boot from it
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07:33 tenplus1 hi folks
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07:40 sofar https://github.com/sofar/mtmediasrv
07:40 tenplus1 hi nrz
07:43 Zeno` interesting. What's it do?
07:43 Zeno` hi tenplus1, sofar
07:43 sofar properly implement the minetest media server protocol
07:44 sofar as fastcgi daemon
07:44 sofar instead of doing it the dumb way, or broken
07:44 sofar since the client POST's the data, you can't use a webserver only
07:44 tenplus1 hi zeno
07:44 sofar you have to do actual processing on the server
07:45 Zeno` perhaps the sentence "it will talk to minetest clients that request media automatically" but rephrased should be put near the top of the readme
07:45 Zeno` Just so it's clear without reading it all (who reads it all? :D)
07:45 tenplus1 lol
07:45 Zeno` I will test later. Looks good
07:48 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=14&t=17411
07:48 sofar sure, suggestions welcome
07:51 sofar Zeno`: read the top part of the forum post again
07:52 Zeno` yeah, that's better. I like summaries at the top :)
07:52 tenplus1 +1
07:52 sofar btw
07:52 sofar I actually want to grow this thing to a "community" media server
07:52 sofar one where we can all use a central one
07:53 sofar and then get a CDN to serve it for us
07:53 tenplus1 but, what happens if the media server goes down ?
07:53 sofar that's what a CDN is for
07:54 sofar and even if the CDN is down, the clients can always get the assets directly from the mt server they are connecting to
07:54 sofar so, that's like 2 safety nets
07:55 tenplus1 ah kewl
07:55 sofar the whole idea is faster connection times, less play lag when someone connects
07:55 sofar the server still needs to send nodedefs
07:55 sofar but without mb's of images and sounds, it'll help a ton
07:57 sofar bed
07:57 * sofar is gone
08:03 nrzkt hi tenplus1hi Zeno`
08:03 tenplus1 o/
08:03 Zeno` \o
08:03 nrzkt sofar: you think about a game but we are an engine :p
08:03 benrob0329 tenplus1: Vidme is not censoring politically incorect videos
08:04 benrob0329 In fact, they were probably moving his videos to the politics catagory (thus making them ineligible for the trending page)
08:05 nrzkt sofar: sounds interesting, i can host a node if needed in France, i have 1Gb connection in a datacenter
08:05 benrob0329 And consequently, making them disapeer from the catagory he went to look for
08:05 nrzkt i also have a varnish, acme client etc
08:06 tenplus1 hope that is what's happening ben :P
08:06 benrob0329 Thays the official word frm Vidme
08:06 benrob0329 Most things are done by hand, because algorithms aren't implimented yet
08:14 tenplus1 having a flag setup where viewers report weird and bad videos would be a good way
08:17 benrob0329 I believe they already have a flag video option
08:18 tenplus1 rather than an algorithm checkning and returning many false positives like yotube, leave it in the hands of the viewers
08:18 benrob0329 BTW, if a guy named Jiff_ ever joins a channel...
08:18 benrob0329 Ban him
08:18 tenplus1 what he do ?
08:19 benrob0329 don't hesitate, he is a troll, he doesn't respect licenses or law, and is generally just going ti piss everybody off
08:19 tenplus1 ahh
08:20 benrob0329 Basically: he doesn't give a shit about anything but his personal "freedoms", but doesn't bother to respect the laws which give them to him
08:20 tenplus1 anarchist
08:20 benrob0329 basically
08:20 benrob0329 But a troll anarchist
08:22 tenplus1 lol
08:22 benrob0329 before I actually go to bed, eould anybody be interested in having a fork of MTG for controversial/exparamental changes (including to gameplay) could be fleshed out?
08:22 benrob0329 Pared with a server
08:23 tenplus1 if you plop it on github for all to see then comments, recommendations and pulls will be added
08:23 benrob0329 I might set that thay up when I get a few minutes then
08:24 benrob0329 A $5 a month linode (its running vanilla, after all) and a githib repo should be plenty
08:25 benrob0329 Ill grant write acess to mtg devs (and proabably major modders)
08:25 tenplus1 *boop*
08:26 benrob0329 Think of it like, minetest-next, but with the end goal of getting merged back
08:27 tenplus1 and again I say... we NEED a [game] tab on the startup menu that is able to scroll through and download different games for use
08:28 benrob0329 Yes, but having a fun default game is good aswell
08:28 benrob0329 Should the githib repo be in its own group thing?
08:28 benrob0329 *github
08:28 tenplus1 of course, :) but that will take time to accomplish... in the meantime having the ability to play different games from the main menu is a handy thing to have, especially for adnroid users
08:29 tenplus1 upload as a normal git mod which contains a folder with the game folder/mods inside
08:30 tenplus1 makes it easier to download and plop into games to test and work on
08:31 benrob0329 I'm planning on a mtg fork
08:31 benrob0329 But individual mods would work as well
08:32 benrob0329 What should the group be called?
08:32 tenplus1 that's fine... so for example a folder called   benrob_game   with   menu, mods and .conf settings inside that
08:32 benrob0329 Do subgames need to be named outside of the folder?
08:32 tenplus1 https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_skyblock
08:33 tenplus1 example from Cat5tv's skyblock server
08:33 benrob0329 Because renaming the forked mtg would make editing easier
08:33 tenplus1 copy the mintest_game folder itself, rename it and the game.conf title and upload... and from there change/upload/etc
08:33 tenplus1 that gives you a custom game for all to work with
08:34 benrob0329 meh, I want this to be as close to official as possible, so that changes have to possibility to be easily merged
08:34 benrob0329 And pulled
08:34 benrob0329 *the possibility
08:34 tenplus1 easily done :P
08:35 benrob0329 But seriosly, what should the group be called?
08:36 benrob0329 Minetest-Game-Exparamental?
08:36 benrob0329 MTG-Test?
08:36 tenplus1 whatever you wanna call the new [game]...   "Minetest Gamma"
08:36 shivajiva Hi folks :)
08:36 tenplus1 hi shiva
08:36 benrob0329 its not a seperate game, its moddified mtg
08:37 benrob0329 And only meant to be that, a testing ground
08:37 red-005 Minetest Omega
08:37 benrob0329 I like it, actually
08:37 tenplus1 you only need a name that separates it from "minetest-game" that players can select from the list when making a new world...
08:37 tenplus1 plus, Minetest Gamma = MTG :)
08:37 benrob0329 ahhh
08:38 benrob0329 I.see what you did there :-)
08:38 red-005 or maybe epsilon
08:38 tenplus1 and from there you can tweak what ya like :P
08:39 Shara Hi all
08:39 tenplus1 hey Shara
08:39 Shara benrob0329: More games = good
08:39 Shara But it depends what you mean by controversial changes.
08:40 shivajiva benrob: sorry could you clear up if exparamental is a pun or just bad spelling
08:40 benrob0329 Shara: its just a testing ground for mtg
08:40 benrob0329 New changes to be tested in multiplayer etc
08:40 benrob0329 I'm going to set up a server soon
08:40 Shara Well, I can't tell you if I'd be interested without knowing what kind of controversial :P
08:41 benrob0329 But if the need be, a full subgame coukd come out of it
08:41 benrob0329 Like, the prs thay sit for years
08:41 benrob0329 Because no one is for, or against it
08:41 tenplus1 yeah, they just accumulate
08:41 Shara That's indifference, not controversial though
08:41 benrob0329 Or everyone is for, or against it
08:41 tenplus1 I still have two for falling blocks that hurt player and creative privelage
08:42 Shara Just not really sure what the point of having a server for semi-random PRs just because they've been ignored would be
08:44 benrob0329 Shara: but also for new changes to be tested
08:44 Shara Most people who want to test want to test in an environment they have control of though
08:44 tenplus1 and if they work on server in a fully playable game then devs take notice and may add to default
08:45 benrob0329 For eg I want to merge stu's railnet, but it needs testing
08:45 benrob0329 https://github.com/Minetest-Omega/minetest_game
08:45 Shara SO I guess I just want more info about what you plan to test :P
08:45 benrob0329 also #minetest-omega
08:45 benrob0329 Just random things to improve mtg
08:45 benrob0329 A roadplan can be created
08:46 benrob0329 But I don't have one yet
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08:46 tenplus1 hi cal
08:46 Shara Gotta go anyhow, but will keep an eye for it
08:46 Shara See you all
08:46 benrob0329 Bye!
08:47 benrob0329 I gtg to bed, feel free to make exparamental changes n such
08:47 tenplus1 cya rob
08:47 Calinou hi
08:47 Calinou had an issue with my VPS, it was stuck at 100% used RAM and one of the CPUs at 100% since 3:30AM…
08:47 Calinou had to reboot it
08:48 Calinou also hi benrob0329
08:48 benrob0329 tenplus1: I invited you to the group, feel free to invite anyone who's trustworthy and interested
08:48 tenplus1 :P
08:54 benrob0329 Ok now I feel like it should be minetest-gamma
08:54 tenplus1 lololol
08:54 benrob0329 Hold.on
08:54 * tenplus1 rewatched "The Epicness of Ethereal" video...
08:55 tenplus1 mesa biomes have dirt on top now and I really gotta add bushes
08:56 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest-gamma
08:56 benrob0329 Boom, mt-g
08:56 tenplus1 ehehe
08:56 tenplus1 game.conf file, change name inside to "Minetest Gamma" so you can select whenc reating world
08:59 benrob0329 Feel free to change it, its almost 5 am here
08:59 tenplus1 sleepy time :P
08:59 benrob0329 #minetest-gamma
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09:27 tenplus1 hi gary
09:27 tenplus1 Ethereal NG has been updated, bushes now added to mapgen
09:28 shivajiva heh better voice him if you want a reply :)
09:29 shivajiva Hi gary
09:29 shivajiva automated rejoin I guess
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09:39 tenplus1 laters all
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10:30 Fixer nrzkt: nerzhul deb does not have minetest_game included, what i get when running minetestserver https://i.imgur.com/hA5wavk.png
10:41 nrzkt oh yeah i didn't packages it yet but it launch it's the minimum :p
10:41 nrzkt packaged*
10:41 nrzkt but yes i should clone minetest game in artifact to package it
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14:05 benrob0329 Hello all
14:10 RobbieF hi benrob0329
14:10 benrob0329 Hey RobbieF
14:11 benrob0329 what's up?
14:12 RobbieF Today is Episode 500 of Category5 Technology TV  :D
14:14 benrob0329 Cool cool
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14:22 kaeza greetings
14:24 benrob0329 Hi kaeza
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14:26 tenplus1 hi folks
14:26 Amaz Hello ten and everyone else :)
14:26 tenplus1 hi amaz
14:33 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1
14:33 tenplus1 hi benrob
14:34 benrob0329 Hi Amaz
14:47 benrob0329 https://github.com/shaunlebron/blinky
14:47 benrob0329 that for MT would be awesome
15:13 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/Wa7VbnT.png v7
15:14 tenplus1 nice
15:32 benrob0329 Noice
15:33 Jordach n o i c e
15:39 sofar should be entirely possible in MT
15:39 benrob0329 sofar, Jordach #minetest-gamma
15:40 tenplus1 still gotta rename the folder it's inside benrob...
15:40 benrob0329 (If you didn't read the logs, I'm setting up an experimental fork of mtg for use on a server)
15:41 sofar fork? I'm sorry, no time for forks for me
15:41 benrob0329 tenplus1: I know, I've gotta do that once I get back on my computer
15:41 tenplus1 :P
15:41 benrob0329 sofar: Its not thay kind of fork
15:42 sofar oh a fork of minetest_game
15:42 benrob0329 Its meant for testing things and showing that they work well
15:42 benrob0329 I'm going to set up a server as soon as I can
15:44 benrob0329 Why Gamma?
15:44 benrob0329 MT-G
15:45 benrob0329 Also, this isn't for alpha or beta testing, but rather gamma testing :P
15:50 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest-gamma
15:50 sofar remember to also run a gamma minetest then at all times
15:52 benrob0329 sofar: is there any other way to live, than on the bleeding edge?
15:52 sofar sure there is
15:52 sofar comfortably and relaxed
15:52 sofar not anxious that things will break any moment ;)
15:53 benrob0329 Heh, but thats not nearly as interesting
15:53 nore hmmmm so what is the objective of minetest-gamma?
15:53 tenplus1 hi nore
15:53 nore hi all :)
15:54 benrob0329 nore: To improve mtg
15:54 benrob0329 Through the testing of mt-g
15:54 benrob0329 Basically pulls can get merges for gameplay tests
15:54 benrob0329 *merged
15:55 nore oh, interesting :)
15:55 nore now we only do to develop minetest game for real :)
15:55 Fixer kekekekeke
15:55 Fixer sorry
15:55 nrzkt if idea is to improve minetest_game, just improve minetest_game
15:55 nrzkt if idea is to restart from scratch (better), just do it
15:55 tenplus1 hi nrz
15:55 nrzkt n ite
15:56 nrzkt hi tenplus1
15:56 benrob0329 I have a few in mind that id like to get merged, but I think they may have fallen out of mergability :-(
15:56 tenplus1 which ones ?
15:56 benrob0329 Sofars chests for eg
15:56 tenplus1 link me :P
15:57 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/793
15:58 benrob0329 Also testing railnet to see if its suitable for use in mtg
15:58 benrob0329 (I'm probably going to have a few mods to help with testing)
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16:06 benrob0329 sofar: mtg devs and some major modders will have write access to the repo
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16:21 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
16:21 DI3HARD139 hello tenplus1
16:21 Calinou https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/ar​ticle408/my-house-has-been-robbed
16:28 Fixer Calinou: wth is that?
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16:37 tenplus1 hi Krock
16:37 Krock hi 11
16:39 Krock anything new?
16:40 tenplus1 updated Ethereal NG to add new bushes
16:40 tenplus1 you?
16:41 Krock hmm.. afaik nothing new at all here
16:42 Wayward_One Hi all :)
16:42 tenplus1 hi wayward
16:43 Krock hi Wayward_1
16:43 Wayward_One :P
16:45 benrob0329 Hi Krock, Wayward_One
16:45 Wayward_One hi benrob0329
16:45 Krock hello benrob14
16:46 benrob0329 roben1430
16:46 benrob0329 :P
16:46 benrob0329 Its my evil twin
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16:53 tenplus1 hi paramat
16:53 Krock hello paramat
16:53 Krock tenplus1, how do you do that?
16:53 tenplus1 do what ?
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16:53 Krock hi benrob03291
16:53 tenplus1 wb benrob0329
16:53 Krock HA
16:53 Krock (not quite sure if I was faster this time)
16:53 tenplus1 :P
16:53 Krock you're tying near lightspeed
16:54 Krock *typing
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16:54 tenplus1 watching NathanS' latest vid on nssm 3.0...  the pathfinding has an issue with snow ... pah!
16:56 Shara Hi all
16:56 Krock hi Shara
16:56 Wayward_One hi Shara
16:56 tenplus1 wb shara
16:56 Krock tenplus1, this time I was definitely faster :P
16:56 garywhite Hi Shara
16:56 Krock hi garywhite
16:56 tenplus1 lol
16:56 garywhite Hi Krock
16:56 garywhite hi ten
16:57 tenplus1 heyas :P
16:57 tenplus1 wow, robbie was quick in adding that pull
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17:05 Wayward_One https://www.reddit.com/r/RemixOS/comments/65c8jh/​my_probelais_tha_rimix_os_some_app_fon_note_run/
17:05 tenplus1 why was snow changed to not walkable, and then back again ?
17:08 Wayward_One tenplus1, https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1271
17:08 tenplus1 thanks wayward
17:10 Wayward_One np
17:10 tenplus1 thin snow really messes up line of sight attacks
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17:37 tenplus1 wb nrz
17:40 Fixer me watching minetest-dev https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/C9wdtexXkAARcWN.jpg:large
17:40 tenplus1 lol
17:41 nerzhul Fixer, https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/builds/14​615170/artifacts/file/build/deb/minetest.deb should have minetest_game embedded
17:42 nerzhul tenplus1, which version of lubuntu do you have ?
17:42 nerzhul i should change the version scheme to invert adte
17:42 tenplus1 17.04
17:42 nerzhul date
17:43 nerzhul tenplus1, you can test https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/builds/14​615177/artifacts/file/build/deb/minetest.deb ?
17:43 nerzhul it conflicts with regular minetest package warning :)
17:43 nerzhul but you can reinstall it after deinstall staging properly
17:43 tenplus1 what changes does it have to normal mtg ?
17:44 nerzhul oh it's just for test, it's master - 1 day + minetest_game master atm
17:44 nerzhul if you can test the client :)
17:47 tenplus1 works fine
17:49 nerzhul you run client or server only ?
17:50 tenplus1 ran as singleplayer and local network
17:52 celeron55 http://i.imgur.com/uLYBplv.png hmmm...
17:52 tenplus1 ooh
17:53 celeron55 that's just about what you can achieve using a pickaxe around here
17:53 celeron55 lol
17:53 tenplus1 ehehehe yeah,
17:53 tenplus1 damn, mobs api's line_of_sight has issue with flat nodeboxes like snow/carpet... pah!!!!
17:54 nerzhul tenplus1, nice :
17:55 tenplus1 you putting it up for download on mt site ?
17:59 nerzhul not atm it's experimental on my branch on gitlab.com, i need to add dependencies
17:59 nerzhul and after that push artifact build on github, sync manually gitlab.com (it's done every day automaticly)
17:59 nerzhul look https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/​minetest/pipelines/7732045
17:59 tenplus1 :P
18:00 nerzhul i added build for all those distro (thanks docker for permitting this easily)
18:00 nerzhul deb are okay except deps, and after i need to do rpm, maybe snap and other snap concurrent
18:00 nerzhul flatpunk
18:00 nerzhul restarting my irc client
18:01 tenplus1 snap vs flatpak
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18:03 Calinou Fixer: popular free culture artist
18:03 Calinou his house has been robbed, with fairly valuable stuff
18:06 tenplus1 shame... hope insurance covers it
18:09 Calinou yes, he's saying he's dealing with insurance right now
18:09 Calinou getting proof is really hard though
18:09 tenplus1 <fingers crossed>
18:09 garywhite What country does he live in Calinou? In the US or somewhere in Europe?
18:10 Krock France
18:10 Calinou I don't know, maybe France, he's French IIRC
18:10 Krock no?
18:11 Krock vote the pencil btw :P
18:11 garywhite Oh. If he was from the States I would have suggested an indoor security camera, but idk if they sell those over there. I would think they would
18:11 Calinou Krock: yeah, we vote on Sunday
18:11 Calinou garywhite: indoor cameras are not always proof from a legal point of view
18:12 Calinou they sure do help
18:12 Calinou but they're not guarantees you'll get insurance
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18:17 garywhite Yeah, but they do help
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18:27 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy
18:28 rubenwardy hi tenplus1
18:34 sofar FYI for those hosting a remote media server:
18:34 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=14&amp;t=17411&amp;p=264611#p264611
18:34 sofar mtmediasrv is now a one-stop-shop to running a minetest remote media server
18:35 sofar point it at your asset folders (mod directory, game dir) and start it, it does everything
18:35 sofar I can make binary builds for people who would like it
18:41 Calinou you know Go? nice
18:44 nerzhul go is not very difficult to learn when you know C/C++
18:45 Calinou yeah, I guess
18:45 Calinou tenplus1: you when you make your knockback mod: http://i.imgur.com/TuISmiO.gifv
18:46 tenplus1 muhahaha
18:47 nerzhul we are working on this with Dumbeldor
18:47 nerzhul a real native knockback api with client support
18:47 nerzhul it's better than use the SAO protocol
18:48 tenplus1 https://github.com/tenplus1/playerplus <-- has player knockback added
18:59 sofar https://github.com/sofar/m​tmediasrv/releases/tag/v1 <- binary releases of mtmediasrv are available!
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19:02 tenplus1 wb Megaf
19:03 Megaf Hello onety one
19:03 tenplus1 :P
19:18 Dumbeldor Yeah nerzhul
19:18 tenplus1 hi Dumbeldor
19:19 Dumbeldor Hello
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20:23 tenplus1 hi kaeza
20:23 kaeza hello tenplus1
20:25 tenplus1 :P
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20:38 * tenplus1 is exploring the royal shakespear theatre on Xanadu :PP nice build
20:42 tenplus1 nite
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22:45 * Jordach meows at benrob0329
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22:45 * Jordach meows at benrob03291
22:45 * sfan5 sits on Jordach
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22:56 * benrob0329 roars at Jordach
22:58 benrob0329 Oh now you figure that out
22:58 celeron55 meow!
23:00 benrob0329 Beep Beep
23:00 * celeron55 nudges an expensive vase off the desk
23:00 * sofar reconnects benrob0329
23:01 benrob0329 Why would you have an expensive vase on your desk?
23:01 Fixer there is no vase...
23:01 Fixer celeron55: do you have snow?
23:01 Fixer _right now_
23:02 sfan5 even germany has snow so i'd expect finland to have some too
23:02 celeron55 i did hear ukraine has some, or... watched a video
23:02 benrob0329 that's a bit late in the year, no?
23:03 Fixer celeron55: it does a lot, but not in my area
23:03 celeron55 there's no fresh snow but there is a bunch of icy dirty snow everywhere
23:03 celeron55 like, everywhere except roads
23:03 Fixer celeron55: here is funny thing about this... exactly 1 year ago... it was +30*C in my place, this is fucked up
23:03 celeron55 not in southern finland though
23:04 Fixer so 1 year ago you have +30*C, and this one is rain with +5*C or even snow - is not this... not fucked up?
23:04 sofar 45 degrees north and the mountain here is entirely white still
23:05 Fixer i'm not living in some weird shit place... east europe
23:05 benrob0329 Fixer: where's global warming when you need it? :P
23:05 sofar LOL
23:05 Fixer i can have +20*C or -20*C in february, fuuuuuuuuuck
23:05 celeron55 well sounds like continental climate
23:06 benrob0329 sounds like michigan weather
23:06 Fixer benrob0329: global warming? it is already bad enough to have >30*C much of the working day, Megaf knows better
23:06 Fixer celeron55: yes
23:06 celeron55 i live near this small sea, it pulls the temperature always towards about 0°C
23:06 benrob0329 It can be 0*f one day, and a balmy 68*f the next
23:06 Fixer celeron55: the problem is ... Ukraine has sea too, but fuck me anyway, can be -20*C one year, can +20*C year another
23:06 VanessaE benrob0329: oh, you mean like North Carolina. :)
23:07 benrob0329 Midwestern weather apparently
23:07 Fixer i had like +15*C near fucking New Year
23:07 Fixer i was waiting snow & shit - nope
23:07 * benrob0329 find a c to f cheat sheet
23:08 celeron55 (or really, the weather in finland basically always comes from the atlantic ocean, first quickly flying over norway and sweden and then it's here; only on the rare occasions that the wind blows from somewhere else the weather can be weird
23:09 celeron55 )
23:09 Fixer when you have +30 in the middle of... april... thats shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
23:09 benrob0329 Heh, -20*c is only -4*f
23:09 benrob0329 that's cute
23:09 benrob0329 http://www.gothereguide.com/travel_tool​s/temperature_conversion_cheatsheet.php
23:10 sofar answer me this
23:10 Fixer old people remember there were much more snow before, like in mid 19XX
23:10 sofar what's the absolute 0 in F?
23:11 Fixer will usa ever move to Celsius
23:11 Fixer this is ridiculous
23:11 sofar just after calexit
23:11 Fixer finally
23:12 Jordach -459.4
23:12 Fixer kek
23:12 benrob0329 the us will move to Celsius when the US moves to metrick
23:12 Fixer i wonder if they still measure weitgh in stones (wtf)
23:13 Fixer weight
23:13 Jordach Fixer, over here we use both
23:13 Fixer f------k
23:13 benrob0329 Stones? If the stones are 1 pound each
23:13 benrob0329 And I don't mean €s
23:13 Fixer my stone is bigger than your stone
23:14 Fixer i've enlarged my sandstone... stone
23:14 garywhite CalExit got dropped, the creators quickly packed up & moved to Russia
23:14 Fixer garywhite: is not that guy... already lived in russia
23:14 sofar a stone is not a pound
23:14 benrob0329 How do you know the size of my stone?
23:14 sofar a stone is like 8kg
23:14 sofar a pound is like 0.5kg
23:15 Fixer russia hosts a lot of separatist/ultra(right/left) stuff, without domestic ones ofc %)
23:15 benrob0329 wait, a stone us actually a weight?
23:15 benrob0329 Huh, did not know that
23:15 Fixer yep, it is that fucked up
23:15 rubenwardy don't they use pounds in the US?
23:16 Fixer same with left-side driving
23:16 garywhite Yes, we use pounds
23:16 benrob0329 Yes
23:16 rubenwardy I mean, from what I've seen on the interwebs
23:16 garywhite We use pounds & ounces
23:16 Fixer ounces is the worst
23:16 VanessaE pounds? ounces?  bleh
23:16 Fixer with metric system everything is so much simpler
23:16 rubenwardy The UK mainly uses stones and pounds (ie: 10 st 2 pds)
23:16 rubenwardy I use kgs though
23:16 Fixer you have 1 liter/kilo... and whatever
23:16 Jordach rubenwardy, no, we're using KG for a while now
23:16 benrob0329 16 oz in a pound, 2k pounds in a ton, etc
23:17 VanessaE there's a reason that I stick to metric, despite being in the land of the hectare and the hogshead :P
23:17 Fixer 1 ton is 1000 kilograms
23:17 celeron55 a good cruising speed is at least 1 nanoparsecs per fortnight
23:17 nore uh, didn't know stones existed, pounds are bad enough already :/
23:17 celeron55 i mean, 10
23:17 Fixer VanessaE: hectare is 10 000 m^2
23:17 celeron55 wait, no, 1
23:17 Fixer iirc
23:17 Fixer VanessaE: or it is another kind of hectare?
23:17 Fixer kek
23:17 benrob0329 My ocd welcomes metric
23:17 Jordach i think c55 just short circuited, next thing we know we'll hear is perttu is alive :P
23:18 VanessaE Fixer: no one ever speaks of them, and I was kidding anyway :)
23:18 sofar warning, offtopic limit approachign rapidly!
23:18 benrob0329 Crap, I just lost my train of thought
23:18 VanessaE celeron55: meh, that's too slow. :)
23:18 * sofar drives home
23:18 rubenwardy Jordach: I don't really hear many people use KG, most use stones and pounds
23:19 Jordach rubenwardy, KG user exclusively, can't use imperial
23:19 Fixer sofar: don't chat while driving
23:19 benrob0329 Oh yeah, that you have to have two sets of wrenches in the us
23:19 benrob0329 One metric, one imperial
23:20 Jordach *musically tuned autistic screeching*
23:20 benrob0329 Because half the parts for stuff is imported nowadays
23:20 benrob0329 So your car probably has both in it
23:20 Fixer benrob0329: now this part gets worse, because i've seen those pipes with inches and stuff... scary
23:20 Fixer that inch crap still crops up even here
23:21 rubenwardy well, same, Jordach
23:21 Fixer benrob0329: our cars have km/h only
23:21 benrob0329 Just...SWITCH TO GISH DARN METRIC ALREADY!!
23:21 benrob0329 Sorry
23:21 Fixer benrob0329: i believe usa is switching, kinda
23:22 benrob0329 This is one of those things that ticks me off
23:22 Fixer benrob0329: nasa even had weird conversion errors
23:22 rubenwardy the only measurements I use imperial for is miles / mph as they're just too hard baked into the road system
23:22 celeron55 inches and miles and stuff is too deep-rooted in all the speech and culture in US for regular people to switch
23:22 nore rubenwardy: in the UK?
23:22 rubenwardy yeah
23:22 celeron55 maybe in 5 generations or something, if they really try
23:23 benrob0329 We could switch, kids already learn it in school
23:23 nore celeron55: well, when the metric system was invented in France it was used pretty quickly
23:23 Fixer other countries also used that crap, yet they switched like 100 years ago and everybody is fine
23:23 nore the time system with 10 days/week, 10 hours of 100 minutes of 100 seconds didn't stick though
23:24 Zeno` well, that's because it's not circular
23:24 benrob0329 Sure, some would bitch about it, but everyone knows its a better system
23:24 Zeno` maybe a time system based on radians would work though
23:25 benrob0329 Time is largely the same throughout the world, and has been hundreds if years
23:25 nore Zeno`: no, it's easy to make it circular as well
23:25 benrob0329 7 days in a week has been around for thousands
23:25 nore benrob0329: yeah, I think that's one of the reasons why it didn't work
23:26 Fixer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar
23:26 benrob0329 had 8
23:26 benrob0329 Ik
23:27 shivajiva nobody does time like the Hindus, it's scale is vast
23:27 benrob0329 Lets just all be glad that 12 to 24 hour time is ab easy convertion
23:28 celeron55 am/pm is probably the silliest thing ever
23:29 benrob0329 Now, as for why the calender changes over in the dead of night...who knows
23:29 benrob0329 Tbh it should change around sunrise
23:30 celeron55 well at summer around here, sunrise is at about at the same time as sunset so it works
23:30 celeron55 (lol)
23:30 shivajiva http://veda.wikidot.com/vedic-time-system
23:30 celeron55 i mean, sunrise happens at different times, how can you make something "about" it
23:31 benrob0329 Around 6 am (or properly 0:00)
23:32 benrob0329 So, 6 or 5 o clock would reliably be around sunrise
23:32 celeron55 what if someone wakes up before that, like people do in many jobs
23:32 celeron55 do they wake up in the previous day then? not really
23:32 benrob0329 Then the calender rolls over after they wake up
23:33 celeron55 but the current clock works well for them
23:33 benrob0329 What if im awake past 12:00?
23:33 celeron55 well it's stupid as you're wasting daylight that way
23:33 benrob0329 Did I go to sleep in the next day?
23:33 celeron55 as you'll sleep over dawn
23:34 benrob0329 oyr days aren't tied to the sun
23:34 benrob0329 *our
23:34 celeron55 it's efficient to tie them to the sun
23:34 benrob0329 yes, but not always possible
23:36 benrob0329 DST needs to go though
23:41 shivajiva if you take away imposed time you are left with the natural orbit and things revert back to the sun, the speed of light has changed since the beginning of the universe so our constants are relative ;)
23:42 Fixer celeron55: i hate this am/pm bullshit, it is not used anywhere except one thing, actual speech, you can say 19:00 or 7:00 (depending on context)
23:44 shivajiva a DS1307 clock chip uses it, so it was prevalent enough to be embedded
23:44 Fixer if it is working day, you just say 8-12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 without mentioning am/pm crap, in email it is ofc 8:00-17:00 thing
23:44 VanessaE what bugs me about 24-hour time is just the way some people read it.  "19:00" is never spoke as "nineteen o'clock" but "nineteen hundred hours"
23:44 Fixer VanessaE: O_O
23:45 Fixer this is top kek
23:45 Fixer never heared this
23:45 Fixer what the fuck
23:45 shivajiva military time
23:45 Fixer VanessaE: silly
23:45 VanessaE yep.
23:47 Fixer here everything is written in 24hr notations, on digital clocks, on everything
23:47 VanessaE "seven pee em" just sounds better than "nineteen hundred hour" or "nineteen o'clock".
23:47 VanessaE +s
23:48 Fixer VanessaE: it is faster to say, thats why even when we use 24:00 system everywhere, in everyday speech i can just say I will be at seven...
23:48 rubenwardy nineteen forty eight
23:49 Fixer when i go somewhere at sunset i can say i will be at 10... unless you gonna be heavy drunk, then you will be at another 10
23:50 VanessaE heh
23:50 Fixer basically in speech you can drop am/pm part
23:50 Fixer nobody is using am/pm part here even when saying in 12hr system
23:51 Fixer you can understand it in context anyway
23:52 Fixer sometimes ofc will be clarification 8 in morning or whatever
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23:57 Fixer to be clear, we don't use this clocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherd_Gate_Cl​ock#/media/File:Greenwich_clock_1-manipulated.jpg
23:57 Fixer we use 12 repeated twice, digital kinda works out of the box too

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