Time  Nick         Message
02:30 kaeza        Greetings
02:37 benrob0329   greetings kaeza
02:37 kaeza        greetings benrob0329
02:37 kaeza        and uhh, brb
03:16 benrob0329   So here's my idea for a worldportal implementation:
03:17 benrob0329   drawtype = "worldportal"
03:18 benrob0329   worldportal = { pos, passable = false }
03:18 benrob0329   as for rendering
03:19 benrob0329   1: game locates blocks behind worldportal
03:19 benrob0329   2: game renders visible blocks (up to equivalent view range)
03:19 benrob0329   3: game renders normal terrain, leaving the worldportal block transparent
03:36 octacian     Night all
03:46 sofar        benrob0329: while possible, it would require 2 render passes and it's easier to do reflictive water than do what you want
03:47 benrob0329   sofar: i see
03:47 benrob0329   would render-to-texture be possible?
03:48 sofar        anything is possible, but why would you do that?
03:48 benrob0329   for portals, or mirrors
03:49 sofar        what you're describing is almost identical to a reflective water surface
03:49 sofar        except instead of morriroing the world, you're just rendering a scene far away
03:49 sofar        rendering to texture is what reflective water effectively is
03:50 sofar        you blend the rendered texture onto the water surface with some opacity level
05:05 benrob03291  My internets gone to shit :-(
05:06 VanessaE     you have more than one internet?!
05:06 benrob03291  phone
05:07 benrob03291  *Internet's
05:07 VanessaE     :)
05:08 benrob03291  But hey, irc works well for having almost no signal
05:09 VanessaE     irc's good like that so long as it can ping every so often
05:10 benrob03291  Clients just need to be able to liad the logs, then I wouldn't need to have a constant instance
05:14 benrob0329   That one bar isn't very stable though..
05:15 benrob0329   Huh? Its just not timing the other login out?
05:15 benrob0329   *now
05:15 nerzhul      VanessaE, can you re-send me your player archive please ? i destroyed it and i cannot retrieve it for a last test :)
05:15 VanessaE     moment.
05:17 VanessaE     http://minetest.daconcepts.com/players-basic.zip
05:17 benrob0329   VanessaE: what is daconcepts?
05:18 nerzhul      ty
05:18 nerzhul      it's dl
05:18 VanessaE     benrob0329: digital audio concepts.  a C64 software/hardware group I created back in the 90's.  doesn't have much to do with the c64 anymore though :P
05:19 benrob0329   Heh, does it include a tcp/ip stack for the c64? :-P
05:21 benrob0329   !ping
05:21 ShadowBot    pong
05:21 benrob0329   !pong
05:22 benrob0329   Aww
05:23 benrob0329   Are irc messages guaranteed to make it to you? Or can they be dropped if your connection is spotty?
05:51 benrob0329   !ping
05:51 ShadowBot    pong
05:51 benrob0329   yay, internets back!
05:53 Calinou      hi benrob0329
05:53 benrob0329   Hi Calinou
05:54 Calinou      benrob0329: btw, portals and render-to-texture are far from new things, even Duke Nukem 3D used them for giving the illusion of true 3D (in staircases and elevators), and security camera previews
05:55 benrob0329   indeed
05:55 Calinou      they're definitely doable, it's just that nobody has the shader knowledge to do it on Minetest
05:55 benrob0329   Its an Irrlicht tutorial actually
05:55 Calinou      graphics programmers are scarce
05:55 benrob0329   #13
05:55 Calinou      they're scarcer in the open source world
05:55 Calinou      they're even scarcer in open source gaming
05:55 Calinou      this is the sad truth :(
05:55 benrob0329   Perhaps we need to ask the assistance of the Antarctica devs
05:56 Calinou      they don't want to work on other things than SuperTuxKart, IIRC
05:56 Calinou      they are not interested in contributing to upstream, or even making their engine usable for other games, IIRC
05:56 benrob0329   I've heard that's a goal, actually
05:57 benrob0329   And they said that "something might be able to be worked out"
05:57 benrob0329   For MT
06:56 Calinou      heh, I browsed the old Minetest subreddit (/r/Minetest_c55), this was the first post, about 5 years ago: https://lut.im/IEHRHTWbUe/FfcvkUON3JQQDPbR.png
06:56 Calinou      ah, it's actually celeron55 who submitted it! I just saw that
08:28 tenplus1     hi folks
08:35 Jordach      hoi
08:35 tenplus1     hi Jordach
08:45 celeron55    Calinou: that was drawn by elrehmann IIRC (the guy who made the logo)
08:45 tenplus1     hi celeron55
08:46 celeron55    morning
08:46 VanessaE     good morning.
08:46 Jordach      i assume c55 doesn't turn things on, he takes them apart
08:47 tenplus1     hi Vanessa
08:47 VanessaE     hi hi
08:54 Shara        Morning all
08:54 tenplus1     hi shara
08:55 VanessaE     greetz, Shara
09:08 Jordach      there's a Krock in here
09:09 * tenplus1   pokes krock
09:09 Krock        hi tenplus1, Jordach
09:09 tenplus1     hi Krock
09:11 Shara        Hello the Krock
09:11 Shara        Jordach: meow
09:52 tenplus1     hi shiva
09:53 shivajiva    Good morning :)
09:54 shivajiva    my bouncer still tries to connect to -project, must fix that so I don''t see [474] shivajiva #minetest-project Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
09:57 red-004      you are also banned on -project?
09:59 shivajiva    did you get banned red-004?
09:59 red-004      yes
09:59 * shivajiva  shakes your hand
09:59 shivajiva    welcome to the club
10:00 Shara        Helpful people getting banned there is the main reason I just 'can't' view it as a serious channel anymore
10:00 shivajiva    afaik I was the first, not that it's much of a claim to fame
10:01 red-004      who is calculon?
10:03 shivajiva    not sure, they have voice on MMSMinetest, new to the scene or someone’s alter ego, you never can tell
10:03 Krock        someone who likes to mess up the nick autocomplete to mention cal inou, red-004
10:03 Shara        red-004: Someone who won't get voice if they don't contact an op to answer that question
10:04 Krock        ..what question?
10:04 Shara        (11:01:51 AM) red-004: who is calculon?
10:04 shivajiva    even with voice they haven't said anything in my logs
10:05 shivajiva    so a lurker atm
10:05 Krock        wasn't there a new logger somewhere?
10:05 red-004      or a logger?
10:06 red-004      cheapie, maybe you could add this channel to your logger?
10:08 Krock        ^ and add a way to jump to a specific day, perhaps?
10:08 Shara        THis channel is already logged
10:08 Krock        apparently is once not enough
10:08 Krock        *shrug*
10:09 Shara        http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/
10:09 Jordach      that's a new feature i didn't notice before
10:10 * Jordach    noticed soundcloud now does a realtime vinyl scratch when sliding the timer back and forth with the mouse
10:10 tenplus1     lol
10:10 Krock        noo. Don't scratch it :(
10:11 Krock        must test.
10:11 Jordach      hmmmmm, even click playback works like a sampler
10:11 Krock        uhm.. no scratch sounds here
10:11 Jordach      Krock, read: the waveform display
10:12 Jordach      not the timer at the bottom :)
10:13 Krock        no matter where I move it back and forth - no special sounds
10:13 Jordach      Krock, /me thinks it's a bug in chrome
10:14 Jordach      Chriome Version 57.0.2987.133 (64-bit)
10:15 tenplus1     RobbieF: pull added
10:15 tenplus1     https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_skyblock/pull/7
10:25 shivajiva    I just commented tenplus
10:26 * VanessaE   wanders back in, sleepless
10:27 * tenplus1   sips mega coffee
10:37 tenplus1     wb nr
10:37 tenplus1     *z
10:38 nrzkt        ty
11:32 Krock        what mods already use hardware coloring?
11:33 tenplus1     Stu's Nike Air factory
11:34 tenplus1     homedecor, castle curtains, dyed wood
11:35 Krock        okay, will check out with homedecor. thanks :)
11:35 tenplus1     :P
11:35 tenplus1     bbl
11:40 VanessaE     Krock: also blox, bobblocks, plasticbox, unifiedbricks, and stainedglass
11:40 VanessaE     and a few others I can't remember right now
11:42 Krock        oh, cool :)
11:43 VanessaE     they all use Unified Dyes, of course :)
11:45 Krock        and the follow-up question: how do I colorize them? :3
11:45 Krock        got a wooden shutter and dyes..
11:45 VanessaE     place the shutter, punch it while wielding dye
11:45 Krock        amazing. thanks :)
11:45 VanessaE     if it can be colored with that dye, it will be.  the next shutter you place after that will take on the same color
11:46 Megaf        Good day
11:46 VanessaE     that auto-coloring mode will cancel if you switch to and place some other colorable node, or if you wield some dye and shift-punch any random node, or if you run out of the dye color you were using.
11:47 Krock        works perfectly. nice
11:47 VanessaE     :)
11:47 VanessaE     morning, Megaf
12:01 * CWz        wanders if it's possible to "install" the 7zip without sudofu
12:06 Jordach      that's FANCY
12:06 Krock        hmm.. how can I have two different colored nodes in my inventory?
12:07 Krock        homedecor seems to reset the param2 to 0
12:08 Krock        whatever, trying other mods
12:12 VanessaE     Krock: Unified Dyes doesn't support colored itemstacks yet
12:12 VanessaE     I'll do that soon
12:12 VanessaE     (it should be trivial)
12:12 VanessaE     once it does, digging a colored node will just...give you the colored node.  shift-dig will split it into neutral + dye.
12:13 Krock        oh, then it looks like I've got to write my own code (HAAAAANDS) to test the dropped items' merge functionality for my pull
12:14 VanessaE     heh
12:14 VanessaE     I think sofar already wrung that out pretty well
12:14 Krock        nvm, sofar already has a snippet
12:14 Krock        VanessaE, yes but I'm cleaning up the builtin item code
12:15 VanessaE     oh ok
12:18 Krock        something's going wrong. the wool texture doesn't change
12:18 VanessaE     wool isn't colorable
12:18 Krock        however, placing works
12:19 Krock        VanessaE, sofar's code ...
12:19 VanessaE     not by UD anyway
12:19 VanessaE     oh ok
12:20 Jordach      Wool needs a re-write
12:20 Jordach      no, i'm not doing it, bugger off
12:20 VanessaE     sofar already did most of it
12:20 Jordach      aye
12:21 VanessaE     btw, you still need to resurrect your old cotton mod and rewrite it for hardware-coloring :)
12:21 Jordach      >resurrect
12:21 Jordach      you'll probably see a variant designed for Solar Plains
12:21 VanessaE     maybe but I won't be using that project :P
12:21 Jordach      it'll have some form of backwards compat
12:21 Jordach      (or portage)
12:22 Jordach      my stairs re-write does this, but ignores protection mods for the moment
13:17 Wayward_One  Hi all
13:22 Jordach      Megaf, don't turn it on, take it apart
13:42 paramat      celeron55 is it possible to shut down -project? http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2017-04-18#i_4881073 it's mostly empty, is dominated by the nuts maintainer of a hostile fork and is no longer relevant to MT. i even see MT newbies going there and having a bad experience
13:44 paramat      channel header: "Things are apparently Up in the Air | Decide if you are Here or There .."
13:46 paramat      i think minebest already has it's own IRC channel
13:46 Krock        OC owns that channel. All we can do is to remove all links to it.. but that's an overreact
13:56 Megaf        Jordach, did see they banned his new channel?
13:56 paramat      ok, it needs to be renamed then
14:02 paramat      also i don't know why so many of us are still in -project, we can monitor it in logs. it should not be supported through our presence
14:05 celeron55    #-project has never been officially supported; it's not listed on websites or anything and OC owns it
14:06 celeron55    i guess i should leave it
14:17 paramat      ok
14:23 Wayward_One  nice, successfully compiled minetest for windows with wsl
14:29 Krock        o/
14:30 Fixer        Wayward_One: now try with msys2/wingw64
14:31 Krock        afterwards, try MSVC
14:31 Krock        (where the real pain starts)
14:31 Wayward_One  heh
14:38 cheapie      Heh, I just noticed that this channel has modes +cmnt. It's a cement channel! :P
14:39 Krock        ^^
14:39 Krock        cheapie, a cheap(ie) and solid channel
15:37 tenplus1     hi folks
15:38 benrob0329   Hi tenplus1
15:38 tenplus1     hi ben
15:39 Wayward_One  Hello tenplus1
15:39 tenplus1     hi wayward :)
15:40 octacian     Krock: your modsearch seems to be messing up. A bunch of my mods including digicompute are listed as WIP Games
15:40 tenplus1     hi octacian
15:41 Krock        octacian, ouch. will look at it
15:41 octacian     tenplus1: hey!
15:42 * tenplus1   still wants a [game] tab on menu to download and use separate games
15:42 octacian     Does the builtin API for HTTP requests support downloads of that size?
15:43 tenplus1     we did have a working mod tab with downloads before... some of those got rather large
15:43 Krock        cURL can deal with everything
15:43 * benrob0329 is thinking about making a minetest launcher for C coding experience
15:44 benrob0329   Would everyone be opposed to a GTK launcher?
15:44 octacian     Well, I'd like to see both
15:44 tenplus1     the ability to download and play [game] setups in menu itself would be an amazing step for mt's future
15:45 Krock        octacian, ugly little typo :/
15:45 benrob0329   Being able to publish to a modstore would be awesome
15:45 octacian     However, we need a place to get the mods from. Could rely on something like Krock's modsearch or wait until someone finishes a mod DB/store, but the first would probably be best for now
15:45 benrob0329   Github
15:46 benrob0329   Most mods are there anyways
15:46 octacian     benrob0329: Sounds like an interesting idea. I had begun work on a launcher using Electron, but haven't had time to do much and plus, Electron apps seem to start at 30MB
15:46 octacian     benrob0329: Nope, I wouldn't rely on GitHub at all.
15:46 benrob0329   it would make updating easy
15:46 tenplus1     +1
15:46 octacian     Some people don't put their mods on github, some simply attach them or host them on their own instance of something like Gitlab
15:47 benrob0329   Well, Gitlab would work too
15:47 octacian     Yes, it would, but it would mean that many mods would be unavailable due to the wide range of URLs on which GitLab instances are hosted
15:48 tenplus1     how about a list of mods with multi links available pointing straight to the download itself... that way you can download and even have a backup link
15:48 octacian     Krock: thanks for fixing!
15:48 benrob0329   All you need to publish is a git link and name, minetest would read the readme.txt/md
15:49 octacian     I was thinking it would just read the forum post
15:50 Fixer        what the actual fuck https://i.imgur.com/qiMDrRh.png
15:50 benrob0329   but then everyone has to format there posts in a very specific way
15:50 benrob0329   And rewrite them, possibly taking out vital information
15:50 tenplus1     o.O what an ugly build
15:51 benrob0329   Fixer: O_O
15:51 tenplus1     crap, is that on Xanadu ?
15:51 tenplus1     *phew* nope, wrong fire texture
15:52 benrob0329   tenplus1: texture packs
15:53 tenplus1     damn, good point :P
15:53 octacian     benrob0329: I'm not sure that they do, Krock's modsearch seems to get it right all the time without specific formatting
15:54 benrob0329   Alright, fair enough
15:55 benrob0329   octacian: I thought about election, but then I realised it would end up being larger than minetest itself :P
15:56 benrob0329   But my hope is that maybe in the future I can also have it download eg voxelands as well
16:02 benrob0329   *opens up forum*
16:02 Jordach      *shitposts everywhere*
16:02 tenplus1     lol
16:03 benrob0329   General Discussion -> Last Post: ABJ
16:03 benrob0329   Nope, nope, nopenopeno
16:03 red-005      lol
16:10 octacian     benrob0329: I wouldn't worry about Voxelands myself, it's quite out of date and buggy engine-wise.
16:11 octacian     Plus, don't mods and subgames work differently? Does Voxelands even support mods and subgames?
16:11 paramat      it does not
16:12 octacian     Thought so.
16:14 octacian     The only thing I prefer about Voxelands to MT is the fact that some things seem more dynamic
16:14 tenplus1     like wut ?
16:15 benrob0329   Nothing, its very laggy and awkward
16:15 benrob0329   octacian: good point
16:15 octacian     Well, there's the skin creator and the health HUD which gets darker with lower health
16:16 tenplus1     ahh
16:16 benrob0329   True, and clothing is pretty cool
16:16 benrob0329   Space, mobs are buggy though
16:16 tenplus1     I like the new dye'd leather armor mod that's out now :P all the colours!!!
16:17 benrob0329   For stu's 3d_armor?
16:17 tenplus1     yeah... although having so many colours for the same armor is decorative only...
16:17 benrob0329   Yes, but cool
16:18 nrzkt        Voxelands doesn't have lua and is a game, minetest is an engine, it's a little bit different, i prefer the voxeland idea to have more and more to core
16:19 benrob0329   Yes, but voxelands doesnt have much development as far as improving the engine
16:20 benrob0329   Tbh, someone should probably remake voxelands in lua just to show that it can be done, and done well
16:25 tenplus1     hi gary
16:26 octacian     benrob0329: Well, voxelands isn't supposed to be an engine but a game
16:27 Shara        Hi garywhite
16:27 benrob0329   octacian: yes, but the engine which the game is based on is crap (no offense, but forking minetest 3 was probably a bad idea)
16:27 Krock        octacian, re-retched the first 10 pages of the WIP mods again. Problem's solved
16:27 * garywhite  nods "Hi"
16:27 Krock        hi garywhite
16:28 benrob0329   Hi garywhite
16:31 octacian     Krock: good. THanks!
16:31 octacian     benrob0329: Yeah, I agree. Voxelands was forked a long time ago though, wasn't it?
16:32 Krock        octacian, I think you should use the mod search more often to notice these bugs :3
16:32 benrob0329   Yes, right at the time .4 was coming out
16:32 Krock        but they still backport some fixes, it's increible
16:32 Krock        +d
16:33 octacian     lol
16:35 octacian     Yep, IMO voxelands is.. unplayable. It's nice in some ways, but, I mean, I just got a segmentation fault for no apparent reason
16:36 octacian     So apparently mobs are bugged out in latest release. Fish anyways, whenever one spawns there seems to be a segmentation fault.
16:36 tenplus1     which mods mod does it use ? or is it built in ?
16:36 octacian     tenplus1: Voxelands doesn't support mods or Lua
16:37 tenplus1     damn
16:45 benrob0329   Perhaps we should make Voxelands-NG
16:45 benrob0329   Made for Minetest 0.4.16
16:45 benrob0329   (In Lua)
16:45 tenplus1     we DO need a proper mt-game that plays all on it's own... and a new minimal game with just nodes for servers to build on
16:46 Sokomine     do we have any image modifiers to turn a colored picture into a black and white one?
16:47 Sokomine     and: hi :-)
16:47 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/joPMHQa.png ohhh, wonderful mountain in v7
16:47 benrob0329   tenplus1: doed mobs_redo have swimming mods?
16:48 Sokomine     tenplus1: hmm. we mostly need a way for new players to easily identify and install subgames
16:48 Sokomine     benrob0329: i've seen a diving/swimming penguin. i think that was mobsredo. npc also tend to swim (like players)
16:48 benrob0329   I mean likr fish
16:49 Krock        Fixer, not as wonderful as mt meru
16:49 Sokomine     afaik there are water critters that are based on mobs_redo and that live in water
16:49 benrob0329   brb
16:49 tenplus1     ben, the penguin swims when in water and walks on land...  but you'll find many swimmihg mobs in forums :)
16:50 Fixer        Krock: i've climbed 2000 high mt meru by myself without cheats
16:50 Krock        Fixer, also without sneak?
16:50 Fixer        Krock: with sneak ofc
16:51 Krock        hehe :3
16:51 Fixer        Krock: sneak ladder all the way
16:51 tenplus1     lol
16:53 Fixer        Krock: without sneak that will be nightmare
16:54 paramat      i'm ashamed to say i haven't even climbed a mt. meru even though i created it
16:54 Krock        indeed, you'd have to build a Stairway To Heaven
16:54 * tenplus1   used tp potions :P a lot faster
16:54 Krock        or trampolines.. maybe :3
16:54 Krock        *trumpolines
16:55 tenplus1     do those come with wall blocks :P
16:57 Krock        yes, the irony behind the trumpolines is that you can use them to jump over walls
16:57 Krock        but only works for non-muslims and non-mexicans, for sure
16:58 tenplus1     ehehe
16:59 Fixer        i've climbed it legit way on ESM server (rip)
17:00 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/VHqYc8V.jpg
17:01 tenplus1     oof, sheer drop
17:01 tenplus1     would be perfect for parachute item :P
17:05 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/4R7Kz1D.jpg
17:05 Krock        either 1D.jpg was shot before 8V.jpg or you glitched to get down easily
17:06 Fixer        creative mode
17:06 Krock        > 90 fps
17:06 Calinou      hi
17:06 Fixer        just digged down
17:06 * Calinou    is playing Heretic (the first one)
17:06 tenplus1     sweet
17:06 Calinou      it gets very mazey, even in the first episode, though
17:06 Krock        hello Calinou. Any chance to have your bedrock mod download link fixed somewhen?
17:06 tenplus1     +100 for bedrock
17:06 Calinou      Krock: hmm, maybe, I should put old mods on GitHub
17:06 tenplus1     hi nrz
17:07 Calinou      Dropbox took down public links, that's why
17:07 Krock        your carbone mods on the forums are largely broken
17:07 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/zgKzHKM.jpg
17:08 Fixer        excellent place
17:14 Jordach      I LIKE IT
17:14 garywhite    Someone just had an interesting idea in #minetest, what if we were to make a page on the Wiki with all the crafting recipes, if they're not there already?
17:16 Jordach      some of us have jobs
17:18 Krock        garywhite, start writing a Lua script to create these previews
17:19 garywhite    I don't know Lua, & I'm just saying as a possibility
17:19 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/zZlxO8T.jpg even better
17:21 benrob0329   Back
17:21 Krock        wheeeeeeeee
17:21 Krock        *splat*
17:22 benrob0329   Everybody do the flop!
17:22 * Jordach    has a signed poster from TomSka himself
17:22 * Jordach    has met him at comiccon
17:22 tenplus1     nice one, funny guy
17:22 * benrob0329 should gp sone year
17:22 * tenplus1   has Xmas card from Jeff Minter
17:23 * Krock      is one of these who doesn't know Jeff or Tom
17:23 benrob0329   I shiuld build a dalek to keep my identity hidden :P
17:23 tenplus1     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Minter
17:23 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/cqycDwv.jpg
17:24 tenplus1     nice plateus
17:24 tenplus1     is that v7 ?
17:25 Krock        could be v6 with tweaked noise
17:25 benrob0329   <dalek> Tom-Skaaaaa, you wil do the flop, or be EX-TERminAAAAtEeD!!! </dalek>
17:25 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/bRpZv4m.jpg
17:25 Fixer        v7
17:26 Krock        now I see the 3d cliff on the left side. must be v7 (technically also valleys or v5)
17:28 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/0YsasGb.jpg
17:28 tenplus1     we need more stone types/ore
17:29 Fixer        https://i.imgur.com/LxxmUfU.jpg
17:30 Krock        Fixer, make a "Minetest dump for you" and publish it on imgur :3
17:31 Fixer        nah
17:31 Fixer        you can look the seed and explore too
17:31 Calinou      <Krock> your carbone mods on the forums are largely broken
17:31 Calinou      yes
17:31 Calinou      but they aren't maintained anymore anyway
17:31 tenplus1     http://www.m2now.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/minecraft-space-invader.png
17:32 Krock        too bad :(
17:32 Krock        tenplus1, est31 confirmed
17:32 tenplus1     lol
17:33 Fixer        v7 has some damn nice seeds, you just needs to search
17:33 tenplus1     I use the seed 'test' which is quite nice
17:33 Krock        tenplus1, but honestly - we have the better water. This one looks somewhat... too blue
17:34 Krock        when using text, it will just generate a random number
17:34 Jordach      Krock, it's not as blue now
17:37 tenplus1     lol, I only posted for the invader :P
17:38 benrob0329   Heh
17:50 benrob0329   Hi Megaf
17:50 tenplus1     hi Megaf
18:03 tenplus1     if I added 2 slots to the furnace to cook items and added a cooking recipe like {"default:copper_ore", "moreores:tin_ore"}, would it work ?
18:04 Krock        the furnace code is most likely only written for one slot
18:04 Krock        however, you could try your luck :3
18:04 tenplus1     damn...  was thinking of having it smelt ores together into a blend...
18:05 Krock        the idea is good. Shouldn't be too hard to implement it into the furnace code
18:05 Krock        AFIAK no limitations for the different crafting methods
18:05 tenplus1     *phew*... I really wanna add moreores to default and have a proper tin+copper=bronze mix
18:16 benrob0329   Mitheral in default ftw!
18:16 benrob0329   Granted, mitheral is somewhat useless right now
18:17 Fixer        please stop
18:17 Fixer        why do we need ores that serve no fucking purpose
18:17 benrob0329   This my statement
18:18 benrob0329   *thus
18:18 Fixer        now when there is automation in game included, now this different talk
18:18 benrob0329   Mesecons-ng
18:18 Fixer        or whatever
18:18 tenplus1     if we add it, they will come (uses for mithrill) :)))))
18:18 Krock        minetest.register_alias("default:steel_ingot", "default:bronze_ingot")  problem solved
18:19 tenplus1     we need to liven up mining, it gets boring with the current ones
18:20 benrob0329   Wiring with connected nodeboxes + set_meta_def
18:20 VanessaE     tenplus1: technic has an alloy furnace that does exactly what you ask for
18:21 VanessaE     there's a fuel-fired version that perhaps can be adapted for mt_game
18:21 tenplus1     kewl, cause I really dont want technic running just to obtain it :D
18:23 tenplus1     lol Krock, we keepin' bronze :P
18:25 benrob0329   We need an MTG Experimenal subgame, for all the changes that are controversial
18:26 tenplus1     this is why I want the [game] tab so players can download.use different games, and a rating setup
18:27 VanessaE     as for the bronze recipe, it should be one copper to seven tin.
18:27 VanessaE     (bronze is usually around 12 percent tin)
18:27 tenplus1     depending on usage... can be as much as 50% tin for specific uses...
18:27 benrob0329   I might set up a server with item_drop, railnet, and worldedit just for testing
18:28 tenplus1     railnet looks interesting
18:29 VanessaE     hm, bell metal is 4:1
18:29 benrob0329   Item_drop because supposedly its too laggy for default game
18:29 VanessaE     speculum metal is 2:1
18:30 VanessaE     but that mixture, says here, is very brittle
18:30 benrob0329   and other things can be merged for testing too
18:31 VanessaE     of the stuff we have in mt_game, a 4:1 mixture if the lowest I would personally accept (were it my choice) and still be able to call it bronze.
18:31 VanessaE     is*
18:31 tenplus1     a shapeless recipe with that in mind would be fine :D
18:32 tenplus1     and having bronze tools the same strength as steel but last twice as long would be great :D
18:32 tenplus1     http://classroom.synonym.com/tools-weapons-created-during-bronze-age-23362.html
18:38 benrob0329   Hi Megaf_
18:41 Sokomine     item_drop? that's something i definitely don't like. just adds load to the server and is in general very annoying
18:42 tenplus1     agreed, I do prefer punching items to pick them up like irl :D
18:42 Sokomine     tss :) what's mt got to do with rl? :)
18:42 tenplus1     eheheh
18:43 tenplus1     as for mithril fixer, it seems like another magical item for use in mods...
18:43 Sokomine     but in general if i pick up an item rl it doesn't land on the floor first :-)
18:43 tenplus1     mese is overused for thingsl ike that
18:45 Sokomine     moreores would be nice to have in mtg
18:45 tenplus1     +100... caves need a little more added to them...
18:53 benrob0329   Daang, this Meijer has redone like everything
18:53 tenplus1     ?
18:53 benrob0329   Its a store up in the Michigan/Ohio area
18:54 benrob0329   Sort of like Walmart, but its been around a lot longer
18:54 tenplus1     ooh, I like stores like that :D
18:55 benrob0329   Est 1934 apparently
19:01 tenplus1     the Barrowlands in Glasgow use to be like that, could buy ANYTHING...
19:09 * Sokomine   looks hopefully around and wonders if chalk could be added
19:09 tenplus1     that would be kewl...  marble also mebbe
19:09 benrob0329   chalk?
19:10 * Shara      glances at Sokomine and prepares a blackboard
19:10 Sokomine     yes. chalk. white is a very popular color for houses
19:10 benrob0329   I still don't understand
19:10 benrob0329   Why not just dye things?
19:10 * Sokomine   puts some stacks of cobble in front of the blackboard because that's the most common block
19:11 Shara        Every time someone mentions chalk I can't help but hear the sound...
19:11 tenplus1     http://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/2013/08/21-smart-uses-for-chalk.html
19:11 Sokomine     benrob0329: but that's exactly what it's for. some kind of white dye for some materials
19:12 Sokomine     currently we only have clay. and that's still rather rare
19:12 benrob0329   so another source of white dye?
19:12 tenplus1     decorative blocks also, medicinal value for potions
19:16 tenplus1     hi kaeza
19:16 kaeza        greetings, tenplus1
19:18 benrob0329   Greetinga kaeza
19:21 Shara        Hi kaeza
19:22 tenplus1     le nails on chalkboard :D
19:23 Sokomine     i'm still after more dyes in general. but chalk and loam are also very common natural ressources
19:23 Sokomine     no chance, tenplus1. i usually have sound turned off
19:24 tenplus1     ehehe...
19:28 benrob0329   No sound Sokomine?
19:29 benrob0329   Games just aren't the same without sound...
19:30 Shara        Depends on the game... I can't stand MT with sound.
19:30 tenplus1     having sound packs available for realistic sounds would be amazing tho
19:30 benrob0329   having good, immersive sound is good
19:31 Sokomine     adventuretest does depend on sound. i sometimes turn sound on there
19:31 tenplus1     yeah... I like using ambiance but it needs more work
19:31 Sokomine     although i havn't figured out what the poor mobs there really want :-)
19:31 benrob0329   Good music is good as well
19:33 benrob0329   Tbh, that's one of the best things in MC imo (the little bit I've played)
19:33 tenplus1     mod/xm support would make it a lot easier to add music without the huge file sizes
19:34 benrob0329   True, as well as an ambiant music api
19:35 tenplus1     good idea, should make an api for ambiance sounds...
19:37 benrob0329   I still think it should be in nodedef
19:39 tenplus1     wouldnt that return false positives when nodes used as decoration
19:39 VanessaE     that's why you only base a sound effect on whether there's a large horizontal spread of that node.
19:39 benrob0329   ambiant music would be based all nodes in radius
19:40 tenplus1     current ambiance detects biomes around player and can be used to set music also
19:40 benrob0329   So yes a building may have different music than the outdoors, this is expected
19:40 tenplus1     wb paramat
19:44 nerzhul      is there any debian/ubuntu user here ? i need a tester in ~1h
19:45 tenplus1     <-- lubuntu... what ya testing ?
19:50 tenplus1     hi rubenwardy
19:50 benrob0329   Hi rubenwardy
19:51 rubenwardy   hi all
19:51 benrob0329   rubenwardy: you make the android mods app, right?
19:51 rubenwardy   yes
19:51 benrob0329   How do you detect updates?
19:53 nerzhul      tenplus1, a staging package (no dependency added in package)
19:53 rubenwardy   what kind of updates?
19:58 paramat      i watch MT let's play videos and have noticed so many servers use an ambience mod, and these mods are always irritating, all those sounds from non-existent animals/things, they sound wrong for an abstract MT world. the mistake is adding sounds of a real biome instead of adding sounds of the ultra-simple MT abstraction of the biome. only flowing water and gentle wind in trees is needed
19:58 Shara        paramat: that's exactly why I don't like them :)
19:58 Shara        (that and generally low sound quality)
19:59 tenplus1     lol, if I added animals for all those sounds the servers would lag like crazy :P imagination citation :PPP
19:59 benrob0329   I nostly want music, fire etc
19:59 tenplus1     fire mod has fire sounds
19:59 Shara        I'd like some nice simple music that changes based on biome.
20:00 benrob0329   tenplus1: yes, but there not handled well
20:00 tenplus1     didnt paramat redo fire sounds to work ebtter ?
20:00 Sokomine     it's possible that lots of poor sheep have to die because players consider their maeh-sounds too loud. there are proofs of that motive in some youtube videos!
20:00 tenplus1     ambiance uses the old sounds
20:00 Sokomine     save the sheep, make them less noisy :)
20:00 tenplus1     nooooo, redo sheep sound way better :D
20:02 benrob0329   fire sound should be based on general clumps, not each node
20:02 benrob0329   Or minetest should have better sound handling
20:02 tenplus1     that's how redo works... 1-8 plays soft fire sound, 9+ larger fire
20:02 benrob0329   Why isn't that in default?
20:03 tenplus1     lol, that's why I initially made fire redo
20:03 tenplus1     but latest fire can disable fire sounds so ambiance can take over
20:04 benrob0329   cheap hack when there is a proper fix..
20:08 nore         ^ that's why ambiance should be client-side :)
20:08 nore         (I play without music anyway)
20:09 benrob0329   Good ambiant music is wonderful :-)
20:10 tenplus1     again, another reason we need sound packs that load like texture packs... then client side can handle it's own music/sounds instead of loading from servers
20:11 benrob0329   we'd still need ambiance (even as a cs mod)
20:12 benrob0329   But servers should be able to define ambiance, as its largly servet dependant
20:12 benrob0329   *server
20:12 tenplus1     agreed, that's why am thinking of adding an api
20:12 tenplus1     that way server owners can add anything they like
20:14 benrob0329   Each node should have a few sounds to choose from, and the node most preseant shoukd largly define the music
20:14 paramat      yeah i coded the new fire sounds, try coding them before stating they're not well handled, it's actually difficult to do
20:14 tenplus1     I like the count/gain mix, that's good
20:15 tenplus1     you use the same style function I did in ambiance ;)
20:15 paramat      fire sound is based on bulk volumes of nodes now
20:16 benrob0329   But if the next one down the list has a track in common woth the previos node, shoose that track
20:16 benrob0329   And if there are.multiples, check the next one down
20:16 benrob0329   And so on
20:16 benrob0329   And if all alse fails, choose one at random
20:16 benrob0329   *else
20:17 benrob0329   (From the condensed list)
20:22 benrob0329   Do we have localplayer objects in csm yet?
20:22 benrob0329   sofar red-005 nor
20:22 benrob0329   *nore ?
20:23 red-005      yes
20:23 red-005      we have a localplayer ref
20:24 red-005      read the docs if you want more info
20:24 benrob0329   non positional sound?
20:24 benrob0329   And node info?
20:36 rubenwardy   nonpositional sound isn't a good way to do environmental sounds im
20:36 rubenwardy   *imo
20:37 Megaf_       Hi :)
20:37 Megaf_       Jordach, techmoan
20:39 tenplus1     nite folks
20:40 benrob0329   rubenwardy: I wouldn't be doing environmental sound
20:40 benrob0329   I want good in-game music, gosh darnit
20:46 benrob0329   (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/pgwWsTqeIx0
21:00 red-005      benrob0329, ?
21:00 red-005      we already had non-positional sound
21:01 benrob0329   Just checking before I jump headfirst into a project
21:01 red-005      I added positional audio some time ago
21:12 Megaf_       good night all
21:20 benrob0329   Ok, so csm mods aren't downloaded from the server yet, but you might not need that to have a server side config
21:21 benrob0329   If global tables are accessable from csm that it
21:22 benrob0329   Because resources are shared across mods, you could just grab the sounds provided by the server
21:23 benrob0329   So mudic could be switched up
21:23 benrob0329   *music
21:23 sofar        csm can't currently load csm assets, all assets need to be on the server
21:24 sofar        csm can't know anything about server config atm
21:24 benrob0329   Crap
21:24 nerzhul      it's more a technical preview atm
21:25 nerzhul      i will code channels when i get more time, but i don't think it will be ready before end of feature freeze and we should focus on the current milestone there are many thigns to merge
21:25 benrob0329   Having csm tables would be handy
21:25 nerzhul      what is csm tables ?
21:25 benrob0329   Like csm.mod.table = {}
21:26 benrob0329   on the server
21:26 nerzhul      it's cleint side modding
21:26 sofar        make any table you want
21:26 benrob0329   Said table is then passed to the client
21:26 sofar        local _G = {}
21:26 nerzhul      no sense to have a lua state synced to client
21:26 nerzhul      except make them lag :p
21:26 sofar        passing tables to client is impossible
21:26 sofar        it could never work
21:26 benrob0329   why impossible?
21:26 nerzhul      but with channels you will be able to send events listened by client, but it's not possible yet
21:26 sofar        synchronization
21:27 benrob0329   Just declare it on join
21:27 nerzhul      because it's two different lua stack and two different processes
21:27 sofar        csm channels are a good solution
21:27 nerzhul      you cannot have a remote application synchronous it's simple :)
21:27 sofar        but you should never send raw tables for no good reason
21:27 benrob0329   it would be for per server config
21:27 sofar        the concept of server-client communication for csm is already discussed heavily between nerzhul and me
21:28 sofar        we'll make it happen
21:28 sofar        yes you could send tables
21:28 sofar        but think of it more for the purpose of sending "signals"
21:28 sofar        "yo, it's raining dawg"
21:28 nerzhul      but it should be handled by client to so somethink, and you can store it to client local table to do something, but it's not the best option to do :p
21:28 sofar        "you just died"
21:28 sofar        "buddy is online"
21:28 nerzhul      yeah, events
21:29 nerzhul      somebody knock the door :D
21:29 benrob0329   I mostly would want to know if mod A is loaded, and a few bools possibly
21:29 sofar        why do you care if something is loaded?
21:29 sofar        just send the message
21:29 sofar        if there's nobody to receive it, no processing time is lost
21:29 benrob0329   because it would declare some resources
21:30 sofar        ohhh don't do that
21:30 nerzhul      i don't think server should know client mods, it's personal to client, you send signals and client will listen to it
21:30 sofar        do not send resources over csm messages...
21:30 benrob0329   Nonono
21:30 nerzhul      channels are like android in fact
21:30 nerzhul      an app send a signal and others apps listen to it
21:30 sofar        benrob0329: what "resources" are you talking about?
21:31 benrob0329   the mod on the server would contain resources
21:31 sofar        like?
21:31 benrob0329   music
21:31 sofar        that's an asset
21:31 sofar        already sent
21:31 sofar        don't bother
21:31 nerzhul      music is sent at client startup
21:31 nerzhul      after you can sent event: client_player_sound "misc" and client will do it, why not
21:32 benrob0329   but if the mod isn't loaded, there's no point in having the mod
21:32 Fixer        VanessaE: 10 min of walking in newest dreambuilder @ https://i.imgur.com/kKQCtGP.png
21:32 nerzhul      but it already exists
21:32 sofar        if csm isn't on a client, it still gets *all* the assets
21:32 benrob0329   right
21:32 sofar        so why bother checking?
21:32 sofar        if csm isn't loaded on a client, it won't ever "play your csm music"
21:32 benrob0329   because why try to play music that isnt there?
21:33 sofar        it's not
21:33 sofar        the server just sends a message to a client "play this music"
21:33 sofar        regardless whether the client *can* or *wants to* or not
21:33 sofar        the client will even receive the message
21:33 sofar        but it will see that there is no mod receiving the music message
21:34 sofar        and discard it
21:34 sofar        but, another mod may read it, too
21:34 benrob0329   But why bog the server with constant pos checks and node lookups?
21:34 sofar        you wouldn't
21:34 sofar        cuz that is wrong design
21:34 sofar        you can do csm sounds without the server sending any messages
21:34 sofar        that's how footstep sounds work already
21:34 benrob0329   What, you want random music?
21:34 sofar        no, music isn't wasteful
21:35 sofar        one packet every 3 minutes?
21:35 sofar        heck who cares, we send hundreds of packets per minute
21:35 benrob0329   The music should change if you suddently change where your at
21:35 sofar        also, music is probably event driven anyway
21:35 nerzhul      ambiance don't need for server but is an example of pure CSM usage
21:35 benrob0329   ^^
21:36 benrob0329   But server should define the music
21:36 sofar        you're thinking but not thinking far enough
21:46 nerzhul      who use a .deb distro here ? tenplus1 is absent
21:47 * sofar      anti-deb
21:47 Fixer        nerzhul: why asking?
21:48 nerzhul      sofar, me too but :)
21:48 Fixer        nerzhul: i use debian in vm (console only) for cross-building minetest
21:48 nerzhul      Fixer, i am finishing to create daily builds on gitlab-ci and i'm finishing the deb pkg for debian 8/9 and ubuntu 14/16/17-04
21:49 nerzhul      Fixer, https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/builds/14562017/artifacts/file/build/deb/minetest.deb
21:50 nerzhul      install this if possible and tell me if install and binary works :)
21:50 nerzhul      you should have deps (it's for amd64 arch)
21:50 Fixer        nerzhul: i don't have xserver installed
21:51 Fixer        nerzhul: no 3d in vbox
21:52 Calinou      why not AppImage/Flatpak?
21:52 Calinou      upstream distribuition of .deb packages are not very useful for end-user applications these days
21:52 Calinou      especially for games
21:52 Calinou      they work on a single Debian/Ubuntu version most of the time
21:53 sofar        ^^
21:53 sofar        minetest-daily flatpak yummmm
21:53 sofar        I would. use. so. much.
21:54 nerzhul      Fixer, it's client and server and i don't set deps, it's not a problem
21:54 nerzhul      nobody uses APpImage and FlatPack it's just business
21:54 nerzhul      :p
21:55 nerzhul      for AppImage and flatpack it should be uploaded somewhere no ?
22:07 Calinou      nerzhul: you can upload them to GitHub releases
22:07 nerzhul      it's not a release, then no
22:07 nerzhul      also it's a temporary artifact :)
22:08 sofar        could make a daily tag and move it
22:08 nerzhul      gitlab artifacts are very nice, every day github repo is sync, pipeline build on various docker containers, and a deb is generated for each distro :D
22:08 Fixer        nerzhul: https://i.imgur.com/lIvRdU0.png
22:08 nerzhul      oh Fixer i fixed it in last release, i think i gave you wrong package
22:09 nerzhul      yeah, it's in the pipeline, i'm waiting for fedora
22:09 nerzhul      https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/pipelines/7715514
22:11 nerzhul      but yes, if needed i can add a last step to pipeline to fetch all artifacts from builders and publish it on github
22:12 Fixer        "infinite" map generator.
22:12 nerzhul      Fixer, https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/builds/14563583/artifacts/file/build/deb/minetest.deb should do the trick :D
22:12 Fixer        liiiiiiiiiiie
22:12 nerzhul      it's not my description it's in minetest official debian package :p
22:16 Fixer        nerzhul: https://i.imgur.com/qIYJ8aa.png
22:16 nerzhul      lol, i just take debian package, it's... anoying :p
22:16 nerzhul      okay i'm fixing it to amd64
22:19 Fixer        nerzhul: are you sure you know what are you doing? %)
22:19 nerzhul      oh i'm not expert in complex debian packages :p
22:36 nerzhul      Fixer, i should go but here is the fixed artifact https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/minetest/builds/14564768/artifacts/file/build/deb/minetest.deb
22:36 nerzhul      see you tomorrow
22:36 Fixer        kek
22:48 Fixer        !tell nerzhul deb does not have minetest_game included, what i get when running minetestserver https://i.imgur.com/hA5wavk.png
22:48 ShadowBot    Fixer: O.K.
22:58 Calinou      https://github.com/Calinou/modern
22:58 Calinou      whoa, I realized I made this 9 months ago, back in August 2016
22:58 Calinou      I thought I made it later
22:59 nore         Calinou: finish it :p
22:59 Calinou      if I get bored enough in the next summer holidays, I might
22:59 Calinou      although… I don't know anyone who uses it :(
22:59 Calinou      I'm overall relatively happy with it, I find it acceptable for once :P
23:00 Calinou      not great, that's sure, but I'm not an artist by trade
23:00 nore         well, it looks good from the only screenshot I saw, I might try it
23:01 sofar        needs more buildings in screenshots :)
23:06 Calinou      sofar: yeah, obivously, but I'm no skyscraper builder :P
23:06 Calinou      if you can provide a world with many buildings, I'll take screenshots using it
23:08 sofar        didn't I post a tropical island conversion once?
23:08 sofar        that had some nice buildings on it
23:08 sofar        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=13709&start=25#p215665
23:09 sofar        didn't post the converted map, sorry
23:10 Calinou      yeah, I'm reminded of mcimport
23:10 * Calinou    stars it
23:10 Calinou      also mcresconvert :P
23:10 Calinou      I'll go sleep, night
23:11 nore         should do a mcimport version that produces mineclone maps
23:11 nore         night
23:22 paramat      'not an artist by trade' means nothing, artistic talent has nothing to do with being professional, or being an art student
23:23 benrob0329   And "art" is a rather broad range of things
23:55 Calinou      most good artists study art or are professionals
23:55 Calinou      not all, sure
23:55 Calinou      but most :P