Time Nick Message 00:01 Fixer VanessaE: non mesh update lag? 00:02 VanessaE oh that 00:02 VanessaE well 00:02 * VanessaE shrugs 00:02 Fixer kek 00:02 VanessaE actually you'll probably see both 00:02 Fixer shrugging intensifies 00:03 Fixer VanessaE: that PR that Krock adopted, it may help with this 00:04 VanessaE link? 00:06 Fixer VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5268 00:32 benrob0329 ssh + tmux = handy headless weechat server 02:19 benrob0329 Hey, i managed to crash minetest with no mods :P 02:20 benrob0329 (traveled out too far) 02:43 benrob0329 sofar: is there a plugin that allows weechat to connect to a relay? 03:22 sofar znc works with any irc client 03:23 sofar ssh+tmux is OK, but that means you're always using the same irc program 03:23 sofar I tend to switch between various clients 03:24 sofar plus, I hate having to SSH in first 03:24 sofar so I usually just have hexchat or something else running 03:24 benrob0329 I'm using ssh currently, anything else is going to be a bit of a pain 03:26 sofar I also connect to 2 irc networks from work instead of one 03:46 nore for that I have a script that connects via ssh and resumes the weechat session, resuming automagically if ssh hung :) 05:04 octacian Night all! 05:35 benrob0329 I think that when I get back from vacation, I'm going to do a week long challenge of only using the cli interface for my daily tasks 05:55 TommyTreasure in the past few days, a couple players have complained about lag after using unified_inventory. haven't yet noticed it myself. anyone else? 07:58 Calinou https://lut.im/LFpI5PsrGf/BfypcPyPHNxH4lHd.png 08:58 Krock hello hubbers 08:58 Megaf Morning 08:58 Krock moin :) 08:59 Megaf Krock, you don't live near Hamburg do you? 08:59 Krock Megaf, because Hamburg is in Switzerland /s 08:59 Megaf Oo 08:59 Megaf I though you lived in Germany 09:00 Krock hehe no :3 09:14 CWz And today's topic is "Keys under the doormat, and the stupid homeowners who leave them there" 09:15 CWz Hmm perhaps i need to make a mat mod that has one inventory slot for keys 09:23 tenplus1 hi folks 09:24 CWz oh hello there solider 09:24 tenplus1 hi CWz 09:24 CWz You missed todays off-topic topic 09:24 * tenplus1 sips his army rationed coffee 09:24 tenplus1 ooh, what happened ? 09:24 Krock hi tenplus1 09:24 tenplus1 hi Krock :P 09:24 Krock ^^ 09:25 CWz today's off-topic topic is "Keys under the doormat, and the stupid homeowners who leave them there" 09:25 tenplus1 omg, that's the 1st place ppl look, and plantpots and fake stones 09:27 CWz so how's thing over at the land of Xanadu 09:28 tenplus1 good good, robbie is hopefully recording this weekend and we'll be on BaldNerd 09:28 CWz BaldNerd? 09:29 tenplus1 ThePixelShadow is the series, BaldNerd is the character hosting the video :P 09:29 CWz wasn't ShadowCat, d't remember her name? 09:29 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWx7WneKNA 09:30 CWz RobbieF, Are you Baldnerd? 09:31 CWz tenplus1, i though that recording on Xanadu is a big no no 09:31 tenplus1 without owner permission, yes :P 09:31 tenplus1 Shinji is kewl with this 09:32 tenplus1 and the admin pre-warned :P 09:39 CWz If i recall, the rules says, no uploading videos to youtube, correct? 09:39 tenplus1 without permission :P 09:41 CWz what about other video sites, like daily motion, Vimeo, metacafe, yahoo video, my space,rutube, and the others. i think might want to reword that rule. 09:41 tenplus1 heh yeah :P will rethink that one and have it translate ;D 09:43 CWz something like "don't upload videos without prior permission" 09:45 CWz does it cover uploading screenshots as a slide show to youtube 09:46 tenplus1 lol, how to fiddle the rules :P ehehehehe 09:48 Megaf EMRAX268 09:48 Megaf ops 09:48 tenplus1 hi Megaf 09:48 Megaf hi 09:48 Megaf dat moment when ctrl c/ctrl v no longer works and you want to quote someone on IRC 09:49 Megaf Why the heck dis is not working? 09:50 Megaf I cant copy anything from Hexchat 09:50 Megaf brb 09:50 Megaf anyway 09:50 Megaf CWz, please make such mod :) 09:50 Megaf a mat with a single item inventory 09:50 tenplus1 seems hexchat is giving many problems lately... try Pidgin for a while 09:50 Megaf to store keys 09:51 Megaf well, I never liked Hexchat 09:51 Megaf for me it was always pointless 09:52 tenplus1 pointless, how so ? 09:52 Megaf they should just continue XChat 09:52 tenplus1 wasnt it a fork ? 09:54 Megaf it is 09:54 tenplus1 the tend to fork something when the original has something up with development or going in the wrong direction 10:04 tenplus1 yup, development in xchat stopped in 2010 for xchat... hex has taken over but has some issues in windows it seems 10:05 Megaf I just got the source from xchat here, will try to build it :) 10:05 Calinou HexChat has no issues here, on Windows, last time I used itr 10:05 Calinou but now I'm on Quassel, which is better 10:05 tenplus1 good luck :))) 10:05 tenplus1 hi Cal 10:05 tenplus1 yeah was just looking at that one, Quassel looks interesting 10:06 Megaf #error "Only can be included directly." 10:06 Megaf /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gslist.h:29:2: error: #error "Only can be included directly." 10:06 Megaf what kind of compilation error is that? 10:06 tenplus1 o.O YouTube have changed their rules again it seems... Only channels with 10,000 viewers+ will be able to make money... da hell!!! 10:06 Megaf Hello Calinou 10:06 Calinou hi 10:06 Calinou holidays just started here :D 10:06 Calinou I'm happy 10:06 Calinou (2 weeks) 10:07 Megaf ok, youtube just killed my channel 10:07 Megaf thanks for the news Calinou 10:07 tenplus1 youtube is going to lose if they keep going this way... all it takes it a new video site to take over and treat uploaders will some respect 10:08 Megaf The thing is, under the good youtube is amazing 10:08 Calinou we need an ethical YouTube alternative… 10:08 Calinou :'( 10:08 Calinou open source, self-hostable, with good official instanc e 10:08 Megaf it still keeps the original files people uploaded since the begining 10:08 Calinou with less bullshit, and more good things 10:08 Megaf do you have any idea how much storage does that takes? 10:08 Calinou (allow video downloading by default, allow choosing any CC license, etc) 10:08 Calinou yes 10:08 tenplus1 no matter how many viewers you have you should gain from any video with adverts included 10:08 Calinou we need a rich, crazy man with money 10:08 Calinou like Lichess 10:09 Calinou Lichess is fully funded by donators now :P 10:11 tenplus1 would be amazing if someone would take up that challenge and make a better video site... 10:11 Calinou moderation is a big problem, but it's possible to overcome it 10:12 Calinou I actually thought quite a bit about this issue 10:13 tenplus1 what did you come up with ? 10:13 Calinou nothing… just thoughts 10:13 Calinou I would still like to code a self-hostable video platform for fun 10:14 Calinou it could be invite-only at first (everyone can view, but you need to be invited to upload) 10:14 Calinou that can be a decent model to start with 10:14 tenplus1 +100 :) webm all around :D 10:14 CWz i wonder when youtube would get suppassed by others 10:14 Calinou unfortunately, you still need to convert to MP4 today 10:15 Calinou many browsers don't support WebM 10:15 tenplus1 well, if they keep dicking their uploaders around like they are doing now, not too long 10:15 Calinou or only under certain conditions (MS Edge needs hardware acceleration, and it's only for VP9, and only in Intel Kaby Lake) 10:15 tenplus1 all the main browsers handle webm no probs 10:15 tenplus1 vp9 is a good standard tho 10:15 CWz if recall daily motion and Vimeo are good candidates if i recall 10:15 CWz we need an open source video format 10:16 tenplus1 ogg theora 10:16 CWz what about ogv? 10:16 tenplus1 yeah, that's the one :) (theora0 10:16 tenplus1 I have ALL my music converted into .ogg (vorbis) audio 10:17 Calinou vimeo used to lack 1080p for a long time 10:17 Calinou I think they still lack big things 10:17 Calinou also, it's still proprietary, ad-riddled, etc 10:17 Calinou Theora is dead, too 10:17 Calinou VP8 basically replaced it, so did VP9 10:18 CWz we need gnuv 10:18 Calinou let's use RoQ everywhere 10:18 Calinou (id Tech 3 video format) 10:18 Calinou or .cin (id Tech 2 video format, limited to 256-color palette, even better) 10:18 tenplus1 heh... quicktime :DDDDDD 10:18 CWz realplayer 10:19 tenplus1 hah lol... that was sooooo bad 10:19 CWz *realoneplayer 10:20 CWz I remember back when i was in primary school i used to play sonic 1 - 3 on the real one arcade 10:20 Calinou sanic 10:20 tenplus1 omg, imagine a site with .avi format 640x480 256 colours... *shudder* 10:20 * CWz misses the early 2000s websites. 10:21 tenplus1 Windows 95 CD came with 3x videos which was fun 10:21 Zeno` I think you need to drink more, CWz 10:21 CWz haha it's called youtube 240p 10:21 tenplus1 now the Win10 dvd has over 20+gb of crap and ancient drivers 10:21 * CWz puts Zeno` back to bed and hands him a teddycat 10:21 nrzkt i'm a bit late but no problem on my hexchat at home on archlinux 10:21 Zeno` or do *something*. Missing early 2000 websites is a bit of a worry :P 10:21 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJVyfDuc_g 10:22 Calinou this is what we had 20 years ago, when video had to be stored in a game-friendly format 10:23 CWz Holy crap that quility is so good compared to 144p 10:23 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpal68Hlr0M <-- Amiga CD32's Microcosm intro video 10:23 Calinou I actually like it, it was quite high production value back then 10:23 Calinou it's really goofy CGI :P 10:23 tenplus1 they took time back then to make games ppl would wanna play... now it's all about the cash 10:24 CWz modern games are nothing bug suck in the cash, and spew out shit for the fans to munch on, while the developers swim in the doe. Call of Duty comes to mind 10:24 tenplus1 much prefer the indie game arena... 10:26 CWz EA is good example of how things have fallen just look at sims 4 compared to sims 3 and sims 3. 10:27 CWz DLC is the future 10:27 Calinou I realize, this is the only time you hear Bitterman, the Quake 2 protagonist (IIRC) 10:28 tenplus1 do you remember a game company called Psygnosis ? 10:28 Calinou no 10:29 tenplus1 they were a group of 5 guys who worked out of an apartment in Manchester, UK and made some amazing games for many platforms... 10:29 tenplus1 they were so good at one point Sony bought them over and sadly destroyed the company... *sob* 10:29 tenplus1 http://psygnosis.org/games/ 10:30 tenplus1 they introduced the video intro's to 16-bit gaming :D 10:33 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGEavi7TRzQ 10:33 Calinou this reminds me… I once read Quake's QuakeC (game logic) source code 10:33 Calinou this is how I learned about many things 10:33 Calinou like, shamblers take only 30% of explosive damage, so you should generally never use grenades and rockets on them 10:33 Calinou if you die of lava on map "start", the death message is "visits the Volcano god" instead of "turned into hot slag" 10:33 Calinou (I love Quake's death messages, and the multiplayer ones are… special) 10:34 Calinou ah no, it's actually random 10:34 tenplus1 lol 10:34 Calinou https://github.com/id-Software/Quake/blob/bf4ac424ce754894ac8f1dae6a3981954bc9852d/QW/progs/client.qc#L1450-L1461 10:35 Calinou look at the deathmatch death messages 10:35 Calinou it's innuendo party 10:40 Calinou heh, guy who uploaded the repo https://github.com/tbradshaw has 180 followers, yet 0 contributions in the last year 10:40 Calinou and only one repo to his name 10:41 tenplus1 I get the feeling he had his friends/family follow him 10:41 tenplus1 or peeps at work 11:14 Krock or lots of private repositories that aren't listed as contributions 11:14 tenplus1 hrm. 11:15 tenplus1 I only ever check the repos on my own git stream... minetest-mods being a main one 11:15 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17182&p=262282#p262282 11:15 Calinou someone came up with a magic solution with regards to cheating 11:15 Calinou I bet 10 MinetestCoins that he'll patent it and be successful with it 11:15 Calinou … 11:15 Calinou /s 11:16 tenplus1 I hope it does, that sounds interesting... would stop so many idiots hacking there way around servers 11:17 Calinou meh, it won't work 11:21 tenplus1 hi Jordach 11:23 Calinou whoa, Doomworld forums, I'm not impressed 11:23 Calinou I tried signing up, it refused me because of failed captcha 11:23 Calinou - I tried with third party cookies enabled, still fails 11:23 Calinou - I tried with disabled uBlock Origin, still fails 11:23 Calinou I ended up using Twitter login… 11:25 Calinou "0 warning points - No restrictions being applied" 11:25 Calinou wow, I'm proud :P 11:25 tenplus1 hi Darcidride 11:25 tenplus1 :P 11:32 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:32 Fixer hi 12:08 RobbieF CWz, I play the character of BaldNerd on The Pixel Shadow, yes. I am not him though. I'm much more adorable. 12:09 Darcidride Hi ten 12:10 Darcidride too late :) 12:10 RobbieF ha, I seriously missed tenplus1 by 1.5 minutes. Gah. 12:31 Megaf Cheers ChanServ 12:39 Krock cleaned up sneak code coming soon! :D 12:44 Fixer nice 12:46 Krock Fixer, are you interested in testing it? https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest/tree/sneak1 12:46 Fixer Krock: when you publish it as a PR, sure %) 12:46 Krock hehe. will do that. okay ;) 12:46 Fixer i'm serious sick of this sneak testing 12:47 Fixer so much problems, bugs, etc 12:47 Fixer it is a mess 12:49 Krock Fixer, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5533 12:49 Krock the code amount reduced dramatically :3 12:49 Fixer "No idea how to describe the changes. A lot shortened away.." 12:49 Fixer kek 12:51 Fixer Krock: what exactly I need to test? sneaking in general? sneak ladders? 12:51 Fixer double jump? 12:51 Krock Fixer, gameplay overall, if somehow possible 12:51 Krock so basically all of it .. 12:51 Krock double jumps are gone, they can't be tested here 12:52 Krock Not sure if, but maybe it also stops the jittering when you walk against the limit 12:54 Fixer finally no CMD window and console stuff is also working, niiice 12:54 Krock ^^ 12:55 Fixer command line also works 12:55 Fixer very good 12:55 Fixer mingw64 12:55 Fixer finally that shitty cmd window is gone 12:55 Krock I see many people prefer it without the cmd window. I'm glad that there was the possibility to enable/disable it over command line 12:55 Fixer it is disabled by default, can be enabled easily with minetest --console 12:56 Krock haven't got the most recent build yet but will definitely add that param to my minetest starter link :3 12:57 Fixer yep, it works 12:58 Fixer very nice 12:59 * Krock is sceptical 13:00 Fixer made a link with --console - proper console is opened 13:00 Fixer starting from CMD console works 13:00 Fixer commandline options work 13:01 Krock wb tenplus1 13:01 tenplus1 thanks :) 13:01 Krock np 13:02 tenplus1 hi folks :P 13:02 * tenplus1 has popcorn and coffee now :pPpp 13:02 Krock how do these two things even MATCH?? 13:02 Fixer easily 13:02 tenplus1 *sip* *nom* quite well actually : 13:02 Krock ugh. Okay. 13:02 tenplus1 eheheh 13:03 tenplus1 I like weird combo's 13:05 Megaf Wb tenplus1 13:05 tenplus1 thx Megaf 13:05 * Megaf may I have some? 13:05 * tenplus1 shares 13:06 Fixer Krock: https://i.imgur.com/CmUkgsc.png 13:07 tenplus1 laters build ? 13:07 Krock lovely :) 13:07 tenplus1 ahaha, player knockback works too well.. am being tossed around like a tennis ball by mobs :D 13:08 Fixer Krock: only thing is that "dir" cmd, after mt cmd line execution it does not add $PATH> part, all commands still work though 13:08 Fixer Krock: but thats cosmetic 13:10 Fixer Krock: works correctly in bat files too 13:11 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/ANbJA6t.png 13:11 Fixer minetest --version is executed succesfuly and them dir command via bat file, everything is fine 13:13 Fixer then* 13:15 Fixer Krock: no need for link, just add enable_console = true in minetest.conf - console starts with minetest as before, nice 13:15 * Krock looks up the commit to see what he has missed 13:16 Krock well, great. the setting is not even documented 13:17 Fixer Krock: is not minetest.conf is updated by some other means? 13:17 Fixer Krock: this needs to be documented 13:17 Fixer not the first time people miss minetest.conf 13:17 Krock no, the documentation must be done manually 13:18 Krock there's a script to convert the settingtypes to the minetest.conf.example file (or the other way, dunno) 13:18 benrob0329 Calinou CWz tenplus1 Megaf 13:19 tenplus1 hi ben 13:19 Calinou ? 13:19 benrob0329 Vid.me is gaining popularity 13:19 tenplus1 checking 13:19 Fixer Krock: i don't see it in setting types but in defaultsettings.cpp only 13:19 benrob0329 I have a channel on there 13:20 Krock Fixer, yes. It's not documented anywhere apart from the code itself 13:20 benrob0329 I can say the app has gotten much better 13:20 Fixer Krock: wanna do a trivial PR about that? %) 13:20 tenplus1 ooh, +1 for small vid links and html5 video support :) 13:20 Krock Fixer, sure, why not? *shrug* 13:20 benrob0329 Media Goblen is self hosted 13:20 * Krock creates a new branch 13:21 Calinou MediaGoblin kind of sucks though 13:21 Calinou the UI is not that good (they want to make it different from YouTube for reasons™) 13:21 Calinou installation is rather complex too 13:24 Megaf VIdme doesnt work on Opera 13:25 Megaf VidMe 13:25 Megaf the goblin thing sucks a lot 13:25 benrob0329 that's srange 13:25 benrob0329 Codecs? 13:25 tenplus1 vidme supresses specific types of video.... not good 13:25 tenplus1 what else is out there that's good ? 13:26 benrob0329 Define "suppress" 13:26 tenplus1 certain topics are censored from trending pages and removed from catagories 13:26 tenplus1 https://vid.me/SXfn 13:26 Krock Fixer, too lazy to check for all missing params.. writing Lua script with regex checks for this :3 13:27 tenplus1 hi WhoAreYou 13:27 WhoAreYou Oh, hello tenplus1. :) 13:28 benrob0329 tenplus1: that's...interesting 13:28 benrob0329 can't say that's the worst thing that they could do 13:29 benrob0329 But its not the best 13:29 tenplus1 https://safetricks.org/youtube-alternatives/ 13:29 benrob0329 The thing is, I don't want a site with no rules or moderation 13:30 benrob0329 Like, I don't want to be scrolling through the trending page and have porn be spread throughout it 13:30 tenplus1 definitely keep the rules for censoring things like nudity/porn/major violence/ensighting violence etc 13:31 tenplus1 but many people want a voice and hate youtube and other sites like it censoring them... what happened to net neutrality 13:32 Fixer host everything yourself if possible, this will get maximum avoid censoring mode 13:33 benrob0329 Until the government is allowed more control of the web 13:35 tenplus1 they dont seem to realist that pushing users off certain sites and controlling/closing certain sites makes them go elsewhere and so they are harder to track 13:36 benrob0329 True 13:36 benrob0329 Like deep/dark web 13:37 tenplus1 so by forcing ppl's hand they move to places that cant be tracked so easily 13:38 benrob0329 And whos to say a new web couldn't be invented 13:38 tenplus1 true :P 13:39 benrob0329 I wonder how long until minetest bases the selection box around the mesh 13:40 tenplus1 bases ? 13:40 benrob0329 like, rather than have it be a nodebox 13:41 tenplus1 explain pls ? 13:43 Fixer all your base are belong to us 13:43 benrob0329 Right now selecton boxes are just boxes, with multiple boxes if you do it right 13:43 benrob0329 They should be based of the mesh used 13:44 benrob0329 Even if its just an approximation 13:44 tenplus1 is it quicker this way ? 13:45 benrob0329 Its easier on the modder, and the default of most engines 13:46 benrob0329 Not having the player fall through entities would be nice as well, but I don't know how difficult that would be 14:01 RobbieF good morning tenplus1 14:01 tenplus1 hi robbie 14:01 RobbieF hi all 14:02 tenplus1 vimeo seems ok but a tad slow to load 14:04 RobbieF really? 14:04 tenplus1 checking out youtube alternatives robbie, they've changed their rules again 14:04 RobbieF Oh 14:04 RobbieF We use Vimeo. I'm not having any trouble today. 14:05 RobbieF Slow to load? 14:05 RobbieF All our feeds and our Roku channel are powered by Vimeo 14:05 tenplus1 video works fine, just the initial loading of the front page that's slow 14:05 RobbieF who uses the vimeo front page? :D 14:05 tenplus1 hi octacian 14:05 octacian morning tenplus1 14:06 RobbieF https://vimeo.com/category5 14:06 tenplus1 :P 14:07 RobbieF tenplus1 - https://cat5.tv/vimeo if you decide to sign up. Saves you some cash monies and gives us a commission. 14:07 benrob0329 I could make a vimeo account....but I don't think the majority of my content would git... 14:07 benrob0329 Also hi RobbieF 14:07 tenplus1 wait, you gotta pay to join vimeo ??? 14:07 RobbieF hiya 14:07 benrob0329 Yes and no 14:07 RobbieF tenplus1 yes, it's a pro centred service. 14:07 RobbieF benrob0329... yes, you have to pay. Really. 14:08 benrob0329 there's a non paid account though, no? 14:08 RobbieF Saying you don't have to pay for Vimeo is like saying you can get "free wine" because the wine shop is giving little 1/2 oz taste tests. 14:08 benrob0329 Wirh afs n such 14:08 benrob0329 *ads 14:08 tenplus1 I assumed it ran on Ad revenue same as youtube 14:08 RobbieF nope 14:08 RobbieF That was Blip you're thinking of. They went out of business. 14:10 benrob0329 Nope 14:10 benrob0329 https://help.vimeo.com/hc/en-us/articles/228068968-Compare-Vimeo-plans 14:10 benrob0329 Vimeo basic 14:11 RobbieF you planning to make little 30 second videos? 14:11 tenplus1 I'll only be watching videos, never uploading 14:12 RobbieF again, that's like a wee taste-test 14:12 RobbieF oh, it's free to WATCH tenplus1 14:12 benrob0329 500 megs is a lot for 720p 14:12 * tenplus1 watches RetroPi video :DDD 14:12 RobbieF uh, benrob0329... yikes. 14:12 RobbieF lol 14:12 benrob0329 granted, I dont use 720p 14:12 RobbieF our show is 1080p. One episode costs me about 15 GB. 14:12 tenplus1 for simple videos 360/480 is more than enough :D 14:12 octacian ..but for 1080p at 30fps, 500MB isn't much 14:12 RobbieF 500 MB is nothing. 14:13 octacian ....which I why I for one no longer use Vimeo 14:13 RobbieF I just pay the bill :D 14:13 octacian Wait, RobbieF: how long is each episode? 14:13 benrob0329 1080p 60 is even worse 14:13 RobbieF 1 hour roughly octacian, but gets edited into snippets so each episode is actually several videos in the end. 14:13 octacian tenplus1: Personally I won't upload anything below 1080p anymore, no matter the length. Sometimes 720p, but rarely 14:14 RobbieF benrob0329 we also do 360 VR video.... 14:14 RobbieF in 4k 14:14 octacian How would that be 15GB... 14:14 tenplus1 my net-top can just about handle 720p.... but I watch everything in 480 regardless 14:14 benrob0329 a 10 minute video is around a gig, even more if its not as compressed 14:14 RobbieF it varies octacian. This week's was only 10 GB 14:14 RobbieF not as many features 14:15 RobbieF Then, to top it off, we also have other shows 14:15 octacian huh, for me 10m videos are about 350-400MB 14:15 RobbieF so that adds even more 14:15 RobbieF octacian those wouldn't be for broadcast. 14:15 RobbieF fine for personal viewing 14:15 RobbieF our masters are ~40 GB per show 14:15 RobbieF closer to 100 GB if we're shooting 4K 14:15 octacian I'm talking 400MB at 1080p 60FPS 14:15 tenplus1 4k is far too much tbh 14:15 RobbieF Episode 471 (4K 360) was something like 320 GB 14:16 RobbieF tenplus1 these are the broadcast masters. Vimeo then scales them down to as low as 360p 14:16 Fixer If you go audio only with opus encoding - you got like 5 mb per 1 hour of audio :} 14:16 tenplus1 unless you're releasing an amazingly beautiful movie with scenery that's worth the extra resolution, 720p is more than enough 14:16 benrob0329 nope 14:16 benrob0329 Never 14:16 Jordach 4k is a joke 14:16 RobbieF Yes, category5 is an amazingly beautiful movie with scenery :D 14:16 tenplus1 ehehehehe 14:17 benrob0329 I use 720 only when live streaming 14:17 RobbieF don't tell Sasha I called her scenery ;p 14:17 tenplus1 lolz 14:17 benrob0329 (I only have 5 mbps up) 14:17 * Jordach tells on RobbieF 14:17 RobbieF ouch benrob0329 :D 14:17 Jordach Kappa 14:17 RobbieF I have 120 Mb/s up 14:18 Jordach RobbieF, 4K isn't mainstream for ages 14:18 RobbieF huh?! 14:18 Jordach most of the world can't even stream it 14:18 tenplus1 many years ago I use to have an H&B 3255 dvd player that could handle .avi files... and anything i ever downloaded was transcoded to 320x256@24fps so that I coudl fit 24hrs worth if video on a single dvd disc 14:18 Jordach let alone upload it 14:18 benrob0329 Dang, that's probably handy 14:18 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy 14:18 RobbieF then they can watch the 360p Jordach :D 14:18 RobbieF the technology is HLS 14:18 Jordach RobbieF, yes there's scalers 14:18 RobbieF so why say 4K is nonsense? 14:18 RobbieF HLS auto-scales to their bandwidth Jordach 14:18 Jordach but people usually have either 1080p/720p or 4K displays 14:18 rubenwardy hi tenplus1 14:19 Jordach (samsung phones and iPhones are above 1080p) 14:19 benrob0329 I plan on buying a 4k monitor one of these days... 14:19 Jordach benrob0329, GPUs can somewhat push 4k60 14:19 benrob0329 That and a capture card and I'm all set :D 14:20 RobbieF You should have seen the production on Episode 471. Ye gads. 2 hours of 4K 360 video at 30fps. 14:20 RobbieF it was brutal to edit and render. 14:20 tenplus1 I can imagine 14:20 benrob0329 Well, actually minetest would handle 4k.. 14:20 benrob0329 *might not 14:21 RobbieF with 360 though you have to keep in mind, their viewport is only ~960p (the part they see in front of them) so you NEED the 4K source to get any sensible quality. 14:21 Jordach benrob0329, MT can handle 4K 14:21 benrob0329 But how well? 14:22 Fixer benrob0329: i7 + some good videocard 14:23 tenplus1 oof... am lucky to ever get 45fps with full sreen HD in minetest :D 14:23 benrob0329 Like, I've got a 980ti but minetest isn't the most optimized game on the plannet 14:23 octacian tenplus1: I get a solid 60FPS :P 14:23 octacian And I've got a 750Ti 14:23 * tenplus1 has Nvidia Ion.2 mobile graphics :D 14:23 RobbieF not to mention, 2 GB RAM :D 14:24 RobbieF So tenplus1... 4K runs like a dog. 1fps. 14:24 benrob0329 I get 60 on my i5 laptop 14:24 tenplus1 hehehe, your gfx card is more powerful than my whole pc 14:24 RobbieF tenplus1 I've had turds that are more powerful than your PC 14:24 RobbieF :D 14:24 benrob0329 XD 14:24 tenplus1 more than likely :P but I love my wee net-top... 14:25 benrob0329 My old celoron could pump out 60 14:25 tenplus1 http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2010/09/acer-aspire-revo-ars3700-01.jpg 14:26 RobbieF cute! 14:27 tenplus1 and best of all, Xanadu was built on that wee setup :) you can feel all the lag so optimizing mods is great on it :D 14:31 benrob0329 it'd be like if Olimar fought in Street Fighter 14:32 tenplus1 :P 14:33 octacian You know, it's fun attempting to create parent-child constraints for HUDs... 14:33 RobbieF yeah that's a smart process tenplus1. 14:36 tenplus1 :3 14:38 Fixer Krock: it does climb up more realistically 14:38 Fixer Krock: slower speed, interesting motion 14:38 Krock good to hear. what are the downsides you found? 14:38 tenplus1 you changed the climbing speed for ladders ? 14:39 Fixer Krock: slower climb for two row sneak ladder and even slower for one row one 14:40 Fixer Krock: two row is this https://i.imgur.com/tE6aMpU.png 14:40 Krock one-row is not supposed to work o.0 14:41 Krock interesting 14:41 Fixer Krock: one row is working but slower https://i.imgur.com/lbAyNkF.png 14:41 Fixer faster to use the ladder :} 14:41 Krock hmm.. got to test that one now 14:43 Krock trying to get up on a 1-row ladder.. can't manage to get up 14:43 * Krock checks his settings 14:44 benrob0329 How have I managed to get 1.4k views on my second video 14:44 benrob0329 That video isn't even noteworthy 14:44 Krock oh. my jump speed is set to 6.0, that's why 14:44 Krock indeed, works now :D 14:46 tenplus1 is this change going in default ? 14:46 Krock Fixer, do you already have an opinion on it? I'd appreciate if you could write a summary on the pull :) 14:47 Krock tenplus1, what do you mean? 1-row sneak ladders were alreay possible before (i.e. old sneak code) 14:47 tenplus1 that's what I mean, are these new changes being added ? 14:48 Krock tenplus1, only if you test it and approve the changes from the perspective of a regular player ^^ 14:48 Krock it's in the pull pipeline: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5533 14:48 tenplus1 :P 14:50 Krock Fixer, how about the jitter? is there still any when walking against the limits? 14:50 Fixer can't reproduce the jitter 14:51 Krock my framerates might be too low to notice anything but if you can't notice any then *horray* 14:51 Fixer can't reproduce at 100 fps 14:52 benrob0329 Speaking of jitter, I experienced some whilst flying at slow speeds a while ago, was that just my setup being weird? 14:53 Fixer Krock: try sneaking on door 14:55 Krock eh.. acts weird :/ 15:00 nore Krock: do we really want to add damage evasion back? :' 15:00 Fixer Krock: double jump is also possible in many places 15:01 tenplus1 nore: the hold sneak while falling issue ? 15:01 Krock nore, no, but there are settings 15:01 nore from what I see it is only sneak_override_glitch 15:02 nore ehm, physics_override_sneak_glitch I ments 15:02 nore *meant 15:03 Krock Fixer, okay. the doors are no way better than the current sneak code. will try to solve this 15:03 Fixer nore: there still damage evasion possible in new sfans code, but it is much harder to evade in game situation 15:05 nore hmm, interesting 15:06 Fixer nore: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/329 this still possible 15:06 Fixer nore: https://imgur.com/a/emxdQ 15:07 * tenplus1 tries to envision WHY fall damage is negated by holding shift when falling onto a node... shouldnt y velocity come to a sudden 0 and damage occur regardless 15:08 benrob0329 ^^ 15:08 Krock no, because sneak conflicts with the collision algorithm 15:09 tenplus1 cant you check collision 1st, apply damage and sneak after ? 15:09 Fixer thats what i suggested 15:09 Fixer if velocity is more than X - do damage 15:09 tenplus1 that way you have both (hopefully 15:09 Fixer no matter what you press and how you fly 15:10 tenplus1 even if you fly and you fly down at speed it shoudl still hurt 15:10 tenplus1 unless you got good armor :D 15:10 tenplus1 sudden stops over speed should hurt 15:10 Fixer tenplus1: it hurts 15:13 Fixer "check collision 1st, apply damage and sneak after" +1000 15:14 tenplus1 ;P 15:16 tenplus1 am starting to think shears should be a tool in default game 15:17 tenplus1 digging grass/leaves only return a chance of a seed or sapling, but using shears would give you the grass/leaves also 15:20 Fixer PART FISH @ PART GIRL @ I DON"T FIT YOUR WORLD>>> 15:20 Fixer need to check another thing in sneaking 15:20 Krock the problem is that the collision only returns speed changes if the player collided with something 15:21 Fixer Krock: try walk + sneak on those stairs... https://i.imgur.com/EtkNVPZ.png 15:21 Fixer i wonder if it is in default too 15:21 Krock glitch glitch :D 15:21 Fixer so fucked up even after sfans changes 15:22 Fixer fuuuuuuuuuuucked up, THIS IS NOT FINE 15:22 Krock yep, same way in the current sneak code 15:22 Krock thanks a lot for testing :D 15:23 Fixer Krock: if you walk off from full block to slab - sneaking will not occur (that also is present in default iirc) 15:24 Krock yes, because there's still a node below your feet 15:25 Fixer Krock: could this help? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4981 15:26 Fixer Krock: oh wait, not yet 15:26 Krock no, that's about nodes that have an additional damage parameter 15:26 Fixer Krock: he said collision damages is not done yet 15:26 Fixer server-side collision damages will be later 15:28 Fixer every time i test sneak stuff I'm getting triggered on how it is fucked up 16:54 benrob0329 I feel like the real problem may be MTs "fake" physics 16:56 * tenplus1 floats through the sky and wonders what you mean o.O 17:06 Krock this moment when gmail marks youtube notifications as spam :D 17:07 Krock or "possible spam" 17:07 tenplus1 ehehhe 17:12 tenplus1 https://marketingfood.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/google-spam-300x251.jpg 17:18 tenplus1 Krock: did you see the player knockback effects I added to PlayerPlus mod ? 17:18 sofar https://twitter.com/WCSheriff/status/850380494109790209/photo/1 17:18 sofar ^ the reason my kids have no school today 17:19 tenplus1 power cables about to fall ? 17:21 Jordach >squandering money on illegals and not infrastructure 17:25 Krock tenplus1, not yet, no. 17:27 tenplus1 no worries :P 17:27 sofar Jordach: kek, rural infrastructure 17:27 Krock does it use setPos()? :P 17:28 tenplus1 nope, it's proper knockback effects :D 17:28 benrob0329 sofar: we've got some of that, slushy I've storms up here 17:28 tenplus1 github.com/tenplus1/playerplus 17:28 sofar 90kmph winds atm with 145kmph gusts. 17:28 Krock then it must be done with attached entities 17:28 tenplus1 yup, exactly :P 17:28 Krock can't imagine another way 17:29 tenplus1 and any tool can add a specific knockback strength or defaults to damage caused 17:29 Krock rip internet? 17:30 sofar bwahaha 17:30 sofar his packet still went out 17:31 benrob0329 Weechat android is really handy wheb your on the go 17:37 Shara Hi everyone 17:37 tenplus1 hi shara 17:41 Fixer need to update dat winxp sp1 machine to sp3 ._. 17:42 tenplus1 wb Krock 17:42 Krock ty 17:42 Krock internet dieded :( 17:54 sofar Krock: you said " rip internet?" before you disconnected 17:55 Krock oh. didn't expect that it actually sent that o.0 17:55 Krock websites timed out and youtube stopped outputting nice sounds 17:58 benrob0329 Irc is a very robust protocol apparently 18:00 sofar Krock: you most likely lost DNS, but routing was still functional 18:01 Krock ah okay 18:09 sofar benrob0329: it's what DDOSers use, so, yeah 18:12 Krock slow loris attack is still the best :D 18:13 benrob0329 Just emp the server site 18:13 rubenwardy benrob0329, *split* 18:15 benrob0329 Its sad how easily our infrastructure is destroyed 18:26 Krock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LSIQmw3k3g 18:28 tenplus1 :P 18:28 Krock Title: Electric Light Orchestra.- Discovery (1979) 18:33 VanessaE does anyone have some insight into my possibly-mesecons-fault memory leak issue? 18:37 nore VanessaE: my best guess would be voxelmanipulator-related memleak, but need to test 18:37 Krock when you ask like this it looks like it's very hard to reproduce in singleplayer 18:37 VanessaE Krock: that's okay, it's hard for me to even figure out where to look, let alone tell someone else how to reproduce :) 18:37 VanessaE however, nore might be able to since he has a copy of VE-S world 18:38 nore Krock could get one as well :) 18:38 VanessaE (the only reason I said mesecons is because it's been cited numerous times in out-of-mem errors, though that may be a red herring) 18:38 VanessaE sure, he could I guess :) 18:38 Krock heh, 10 GiB? 18:38 VanessaE yep, about that 18:38 Krock :< 18:38 VanessaE expands to around 12 or 13 GB 18:38 nore That's only as much as a few movies :) 18:39 VanessaE heh 18:39 Krock got a quite slow connection here, thus upsampling and filtering where possible. a few movies never get that big :/ 18:40 nore The only thing that is going to suffer is your disk while uncompressing :p 18:40 VanessaE heh 18:40 Krock lol 18:40 Krock exporting a 4k movie as GIF :3 18:40 nore Ah yeah, slow connection is quite a pain 18:40 nore Took me like 30 minutes to download with a fast one, so... 18:40 VanessaE which is why a guy I knew many moons ago called it "bandnarrowth" :) 18:41 Krock around 5 Mbps is enough for me usually but it's not funny if your upload connection is aborted randomly in between >:( 18:42 Krock downloading 1 GiB at is no problem but uploading 2 MiB to dropbox or any FTP server is 18:42 Krock should consider switching the ISP if this isn't geographically limited 18:43 VanessaE damn, and here I thought 70 Mbps could feel slow at times 18:43 Krock xD 18:43 Krock strong enough to run some more MT servers 18:45 VanessaE that's my home connection. my server instances have 250 Mbps under them :) 18:46 VanessaE (really, I just got lucky to find such a good server at such a cheap price :) ) 18:48 Krock price and speed is not the only thing that counts. If there's also some support available for the worst case that's great 18:48 VanessaE OVH support is decent 18:48 VanessaE at least, they're responsive 18:49 Krock YEAH MAN 18:49 Krock fixed the damage evading 18:51 Krock > they said sneak ladders and damage won't fit both into one 18:55 Shara Krock: You have sneak ladders but no fall damage avoidance? 18:55 Krock Shara, 2-row sneak ladders for now, yes 18:55 VanessaE those are the only kind that make any sense imho 18:55 Krock trying to add back the 1-row sneak ladder but it's no longer possible to avoid damage 18:56 Shara no damage is good 18:56 Shara or, no avoiding damage, rather :P 19:12 Fixer wish me lack to update windows xp to service pack 2 19:13 red-001 you are still using xp? 19:13 Fixer not me 19:13 Fixer helping other guy that has winxp sp1 19:13 benrob0329 Why??? 19:13 Fixer OFFICE 19:14 Jordach >office XP 19:14 * Jordach is triggered 19:14 tenplus1 lol 19:14 Jordach i hate it 19:14 Jordach that goddamn box 19:14 Fixer no, thats office PC, it will still work nicely on sp1 if not that shitty web mail that refuses to work on firefox 11 19:14 Krock just get the SP3 binary from M$ and smash it on the PC 19:14 Jordach that is meant for art 19:14 Jordach everyone just dragged graphical items outside of it 19:14 tenplus1 WinXP SP3 performance edition is available 120mb 19:15 Krock FF 50.1 works fine with SP3 :/ 19:15 tenplus1 the new ff wont work on anything below vista 19:15 Fixer the reason I'm updating is web mail problem, some shitty hipsters did it such way that it won't run on firefox 11 for some reason, it is not that old 19:15 Krock new FF? 19:15 tenplus1 firefox 19:15 Fixer ff 11 is last supported for service pack 1 19:16 Krock no, I meant what's new? 19:16 Fixer so i'm updating to service pack 3 to install newer firefox 19:16 benrob0329 or you could use Linux 19:16 tenplus1 +1000000 19:16 Fixer dude, thats office pc 19:17 Krock or try the luck with ReactOS. It already supports FF 3.6 and maybe higher :P 19:17 tenplus1 boot from flash d rive :D 19:17 Fixer it has thunderbird, but that person don't know how to use it much 19:17 Fixer service pack 1 is really old edition 19:17 Krock tenplus1, no. not that. Either from an external SSD or external hard drive. Flash is just too slow 19:17 Krock lol thunderbird is somewhat easy to set up and use o.o 19:17 tenplus1 no way... I ahve a usb 3 flash drive booting into a live xubuntu session and it's fast... 19:18 benrob0329 Do you really think that a 17 year old OS is a good idea for an office computer? 19:18 Fixer Krock: that person is very old for thunderbird 19:18 Krock oh 19:19 Fixer pretty good PC, 13 years old, 2.5ghz, 7XX mb ram 19:19 Fixer good for office 19:19 tenplus1 Lubuntu in that case ;D 19:19 red-001 windows from usb 19:20 Krock tenplus1, the difference was much higher with USB 2.0. If you've got a good 3.0 flash drive, then it will be surely fast 19:20 Krock windows from floppies! 19:20 Fixer had this 19:20 Fixer or not 19:20 Fixer wait 19:20 tenplus1 haah, I remember installing win95 from 21 floppies 19:20 Fixer that 20mb hdd already had win 3.11 19:20 Fixer floppy had msdos boot 19:21 red-001 or if you want to save the cost of a usb, use a cd 19:21 Fixer i wonder what firefox 11 is not supporting... 19:21 Krock HTML5 most likely 19:22 Fixer released just 5 years ago, wth 19:22 Fixer it is pretty much new 19:22 Fixer fucking hipsters 19:22 tenplus1 lolol 19:23 Fixer service pack install is insanely long 19:23 Fixer i've also made partition image before doing it ._. 19:23 Krock about 300 MiB, no? 19:23 Fixer yes 19:23 Fixer 300 mb 19:24 Fixer then another 300 for sp3 19:24 Krock what? you could just upgrade directly 19:24 tenplus1 https://pirateproxy.cc/torrent/5965728/Windows_XP_Pro_Performance_Edition_SP3_November_2010 19:24 tenplus1 if you have a legit key then that will help :) 19:25 Fixer Krock: you can't i think, i've read it requires sp2 first, then sp3 19:25 Krock WPAkill ;) 19:25 Krock Fixer, 1 moment 19:26 Fixer Krock: too late, it is in the middle of installing sp2 19:26 Fixer and i think it has wpakill :trollface: 19:26 Fixer in Ukraine literally everything is pirated, exception is accounting/taxation software/etc 19:27 Krock harr harr. 19:27 Fixer since PC is not OEM most of the time 19:27 Fixer at least in many places 19:27 Fixer it is just assembled and you or seller can install win on it 19:27 Fixer pirated in 99.9999% cases ofc 19:28 Fixer and honestly it works good 19:28 Fixer no UPDATE NOW bullshit 19:28 Fixer it runs 10-15 years before something breaks 19:28 Fixer like that webmail thing 19:28 Fixer then you upgrade the service pack, while hipsters cry loud 19:29 tenplus1 use the link I posted, has WinXP updated to sp3 with driver packs installed for many things 19:29 Fixer tenplus1: nah, i have newer one, I don't want to install software all over again 19:30 Fixer my plan is sp2-sp3-wpakill-firefox, DONE 19:32 Fixer Krock: harr, newer cracks for newer windowses are even more amazing, activates _everything_ windows, office, etc, etc, has updates, on the other hand windows 10 is kinda shitty and new offices are not needed for most of people, there are some cool features, yes, but most wants just spreadshit and type a document 19:32 benrob0329 -linux 19:33 Fixer they have a working win98se pc that is probably older than octacian 19:33 Fixer and it works 19:33 TommyTreasure such a shame that most business software companies are anti-linux 19:33 octacian Definitely older than me :rotfl: 19:33 Fixer /hipstors cry 19:34 benrob0329 Join us, join the Linux Movement 19:34 tenplus1 WinXP was my last windows os... switched to linux shortly after 19:34 Fixer TommyTreasure: actually it is better with time, including accounting software, also, move to the web (tm) will be good for linux 19:35 benrob0329 Moving to crosd platform libraries woulf be better 19:35 Krock Fixer, at least you don't have to cry. Fixed the weird stair sneak behaviour and the fall damage evading part ;) 19:35 Krock benrob0329, ur goood very spelin 19:35 Fixer Krock: minetest user since early 2011, i've seen much worse things... 19:35 benrob0329 Yes, I uz gud 19:36 benrob0329 Phone keyboards don't help 19:37 Fixer benrob0329: you can have office 365 on linux too iirc 19:37 TommyTreasure the court system in my area of the US, almost demands those doing legal work use specific versions of windows based applications 19:37 Fixer or whatever 19:37 Fixer os becames irrelevant 19:37 octacian I used Windows 7 until I got a broken registry, messing with that for weeks is like, no way. 19:37 Fixer octacian: there is an option to go back to previous version 19:37 Fixer of registry 19:37 Fixer last working configuration 19:37 Fixer that is that 19:38 benrob0329 Fixer: what does 365 do? 19:38 tenplus1 Office 365? 19:38 rubenwardy libreoffice is pretty good 19:38 Fixer benrob0329: web version of microsoft office %) 19:38 rubenwardy and google drive 19:38 benrob0329 Bleahh 19:38 Fixer imho linux has most of stuff needed for avg folks 19:38 benrob0329 Gimme Open/Libre office 19:38 Krock but M$ office and libreoffice have some compability problems 19:39 tenplus1 I have my mom's laptop on xubuntu and she loves it... windows confuses the crap outta her 19:39 benrob0329 Heck, gimme markdown and nano 19:39 rubenwardy docx has compatability 19:39 Fixer it is much better than I remember it 13 years ago or so 19:39 octacian Fixer: the previous version of registry was also broken 19:39 octacian Literally everything was broken 19:39 Fixer one problem is f------------ing gnome and kde 19:39 Fixer octacian: kek 19:39 Krock unity! 19:39 benrob0329 Hey, I like gnome 19:39 rubenwardy Like, literally transfering doc files between word version or different computers can cause problems 19:39 tenplus1 *cough* mate, xfce, lxde 19:39 benrob0329 Unity is dead 19:39 octacian ..so I switched to Ubuntu and the only other time I've used Windows passed that in Win10 on VM for MS Access before Wine was updated to support Office 365 19:39 Fixer tenplus1: entire kde4/gnome3 debucle was BAD 19:39 octacian *is 19:40 tenplus1 thankfully LxQt is almost done, uses Qt which is fast as hell 19:40 benrob0329 I like my keyboard shortcuts and system integration 19:40 Fixer tenplus1: xfce or lxqt are good, yep 19:40 rubenwardy xfce is awesome 19:40 Fixer i like xfce 19:41 Fixer development even slower than for minetest 19:41 rubenwardy The only experience of GNOME I've had is CentOS, that shit was painful 19:41 tenplus1 Xubuntu uses Xfce which is simple, provides a good and simple desktop with plugins 19:41 VanessaE xfce or bust :) 19:42 benrob0329 dynamic workspaces and search, or bust 19:42 rubenwardy Default xfce is ugly, much better with a theme http://pasteboard.co/1xaO2CNPO.png 19:42 rubenwardy benrob0329: search? 19:43 tenplus1 gnome-look.org has xfce themes and many of them 19:43 benrob0329 Yes, like krunner or Gnome shell 19:43 tenplus1 and deviantart.com has a few peeps working on amazing themeing 19:43 benrob0329 Ark or Numix ftw 19:43 rubenwardy I have Albert on my system 19:43 rubenwardy nice and minimal 19:43 tenplus1 numix is great, a few small issues tho 19:44 VanessaE I'd take a screenshot, but I'm one of those heretics who tends to maximize all her windows (except IRC and terminals) :) 19:44 benrob0329 I like to maximise my apps and spread them across workspaces 19:45 rubenwardy same 19:45 VanessaE I have multiple monitors. the hell with workspaces :) 19:45 rubenwardy same 19:45 benrob0329 hard to do that on a laptop 19:45 VanessaE true, but xfce has you covered in that respect 19:45 rubenwardy I use a laptop with multiple monitors 19:45 VanessaE (I just don't care for the feature) 19:46 benrob0329 and I could hook my desktop up to my tv, but my tv is crap 19:46 rubenwardy both at home and uni labs, not not at coffee shops 19:46 rubenwardy Numix is ok, prefer adapta though 19:47 rubenwardy I've never been able to get three finger swipe working on Linux :( (to switch workspaces, or show all windows) 19:48 benrob0329 Ctrl Alt up/down 19:48 benrob0329 Or left/right depending on your de 19:49 rubenwardy yeah, I know, but not as quick as a swipe 19:49 benrob0329 I have one hand on the keyboard anyways 19:50 tenplus1 http://img.ourl.ca/41%20PM.png <-- Xubuntu linux running vbox in seamless mode with a fully working Windows10 at bottom 19:50 rubenwardy nice 19:50 benrob0329 Wait...what?? 19:50 rubenwardy what's the performance like? 19:50 Krock It's a hybrid!! 19:50 rubenwardy I used to do it the other way around 19:51 benrob0329 he's a witch! 19:51 Krock burn the witch! 19:51 benrob0329 Burn him at the stake! 19:51 Krock bring wood and fire 19:51 tenplus1 surprisingly good... yeah... it's a native linux running virtualbox seamless mode with win10 taskbar at bottom, runs all windows software and linux so long as you have a few good cores on your cpu 19:51 tenplus1 my m8 uses it for itunes and a few games :D 19:52 benrob0329 Your babble wont save you this time" 19:52 benrob0329 *! 19:52 tenplus1 ehehehe 19:53 benrob0329 The Jedi may have space magic, but I have Linux! 19:54 TommyTreasure may the schwartz be with you 19:55 Fixer sp2 installed :} 19:56 Fixer have not seen that activation nug yet 19:56 Fixer or nag 20:01 Fixer Krock: i've missed the part about damage evasion, what was about it? 20:03 * Fixer scrolls back 20:05 Fixer sofar: very weak poles to me 20:10 Fixer VanessaE: so lazy, you can migrate it back to sqlite and use unexplore script that will get you down to <1GB of size for sure 20:10 VanessaE it already is sqlite 20:11 VanessaE I migrated off of leveldb because those kind of maps are tricky to back-up properly (particularly if you need to share the backup) 20:11 Fixer VanessaE: now install python, make a backup and do on it https://github.com/AndrejIT/map_unexplore 20:12 Fixer however 20:12 Fixer i'm not sure if it works with new map format :( 20:12 VanessaE not gonna happen. 20:12 VanessaE something changed a while back with how the map seed is interpreted 20:12 tenplus1 I have remap.py which removes all areas apart from those containing a protector :) works well 20:12 VanessaE all those deleted blocks will be recreated wrongly. 20:13 tenplus1 ? map changes ? 20:13 Fixer VanessaE: it is not about seed, it just looks mapblocks for certain man placed blocks and removes everything else 20:13 VanessaE the VE-S map is old enough that it'll break 20:13 Fixer very good tool 20:13 VanessaE Fixer: yes you delete a block and the engine re-creates it next time someone goes there 20:13 Fixer VanessaE: yes 20:13 VanessaE and it re-creates it wrongly because something is different about the way the seed is interpreted. 20:14 Fixer VanessaE: yes, mapgen changed since then, it is expected 20:14 VanessaE it's mgv6 20:14 tenplus1 why u break backwards compatibility... why u do 'dis? 20:14 VanessaE it's NOT expected. 20:14 Shara Regardless of whether expected... it's not good 20:15 Shara Stuff like that looks terrible in game, and is very easy to notice 20:15 Fixer VanessaE: v6 has not changed much o_O 20:15 Fixer i meant v7 20:16 Shara Hi WhoAreYou :) 20:16 VanessaE Fixer: it's changed enough that I can't safely "unexplore" or even "/deleteblocks" on that world. 20:16 WhoAreYou Hello Shara. :) 20:16 VanessaE and I know for a fact, 100% sure, that the seed has never been changed on that world. 20:26 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVn01ONkfI0 20:26 sofar Fixer: no, those poles are really strong, but the land is entirely waterlogged and the wind just pushed them over (they're more than 2m into the ground!) 20:27 VanessaE nore, regarding the memory leak, I just spotted something in my server stats of significance: as CPU usage increases, the rate of the leak accelerates. https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats-daily.html look at 08:40-ish, notice how the CPU usage dropped and the rate of the leak leveled off considerably at the same time. this is when cheapie shut off an abusive mesecons contraption that uses nodebreakers, deployers, a few dozen 20:27 VanessaE tubes and chests for sorting, and a ~2.5 cycles/second clock to run it. 20:31 Fixer sp3 installed 20:33 * Megaf comes close to Shara 20:33 * Megaf purrs 20:34 Shara Hi roary one 20:34 Megaf WhoAreYou, This is what you reminds me of every single time I read your nick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4 20:35 sofar is there no way from C++ to inspect lua context memory usage? 20:35 VanessaE sofar: no. not as far as I know 20:35 WhoAreYou Megaf: lol. :) 20:35 sofar that should really be part of the debug panel 20:35 VanessaE the best one can do, and this is insane really, is make every suspect table global, then get a count of the number of elements in the table and try to multiply that by the average length of a string therein 20:36 VanessaE (or multiply by 40 if the table only holds numerics) 20:36 tenplus1 nite folks 20:36 VanessaE then you can at least print the table length with worldedit, e.g. /lua print(#foo) 20:37 VanessaE sofar: wait. debug panel? 20:37 VanessaE did I miss a feature somewhere? 20:37 sofar f6 20:37 VanessaE oh that 20:38 VanessaE if it could break the usage down by mod and maybe filename (of the lua bit that allocated the space), it would be useful 20:38 VanessaE (anything more fine than that would just be too much info to put into f6) 20:38 VanessaE I would honestly like to see something added to the profiler for this 20:39 VanessaE (as in `/profiler dump` and friends) 20:40 sofar collectgarbage("count") frmo lua 20:40 VanessaE nope. 20:40 VanessaE that doesn't tell anything useful 20:40 VanessaE all that does is tell how much would be erased by the GC, and that's been only ~90MB or so at a time 20:41 VanessaE I'd like to see something like, mod:foo { table bar = 123 MB, local table baz in file meh.lua = 456 MB , ... } 20:42 VanessaE (or even just the number of entries in the table would be enough) 20:43 VanessaE I've had this memory leak on my servers for years, it's just that in the last few days it's gotten really bad 20:45 VanessaE the only way I could possibly find it at this point is a sort of server-mods-level bisect, and that would take weeks to complete. 20:46 VanessaE (and LOTS of time spent without mods critical to the feel of the server) 20:47 nore VanessaE: try to write a VM-intensive mod to see if that leads to leaks? 20:47 VanessaE I wouldn't know how 20:47 VanessaE I've never messed with LVM. 20:47 sofar replace on_generated() with 20:48 VanessaE sofar: won't help. 20:48 sofar for i = 1,1000 do on_generated() end 20:48 VanessaE there's so much map already generated that that will almost never be executed 20:48 VanessaE or did you mean on a new map in sp? 20:48 sofar if vmanips are leaking 20:49 sofar then you can trivially show that by doing a billion vmanips on the same data 20:49 sofar so yes, insert 20:49 sofar for i = 1, 1000 do 20:49 sofar and end 20:49 sofar around the code inside on_generated() 20:49 sofar my bet is that it isn't the problem, though 20:50 sofar but, what do I know? 20:50 VanessaE more than me :) 20:50 VanessaE that said, I think technic and mesecons still use a vmanip call to force-load blocks 20:52 VanessaE yep, it does 20:53 VanessaE (mesecons/mesecons/util.lua 324-337) 20:54 sofar that should really be an API 20:55 VanessaE technic uses a combination of VMs (technic/technic/helpers.lua 49-55) and minetest.forceload* (many places) 20:55 sofar including one that force sends a block to a client, imho 20:55 sofar so teleports can be safe 20:56 nore ^ hehe yeah that one would be very needed 20:56 VanessaE indeed. 21:00 sofar minetest.send_blocks(player, pos) ? 21:00 VanessaE sounds fair 21:01 VanessaE or send_block_updates() mayhbe 21:01 VanessaE -h 21:01 VanessaE better to send only the changes if possible 21:01 sofar you'd want to determine *which* blocks to send 21:01 sofar not just all blocks that are updated 21:02 VanessaE fair enough 21:02 sofar minetest.send_block_updates(player, pos) 21:02 sofar then 21:09 sofar #5538 21:14 VanessaE hm. for i = 1, 10000 do pos = [three random coords from -31k to +31k)] minetest.get_voxel_manip(pos, pos) end 21:14 VanessaE 2.5G viortual, 985MB resident. 21:14 VanessaE -o 21:16 VanessaE not significant. that world uses a similar amount without that mod activated. 21:16 VanessaE (it's my dreambuilder test map) 21:18 nore VanessaE: try to call that only for generated blocks 21:18 VanessaE how would that be relevant? 21:19 nore I'm not sure the VM emerges the map if the area is not loaded) 21:19 VanessaE ah. 21:35 VanessaE well I can't make it blow up in sp. 21:35 VanessaE so either it isn't broken or idk what I'm doing (both are probable) 21:35 Jordach Minetest has support for project: shroedinger's bug 21:35 VanessaE this should have worked, yes?http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24336503/ 21:36 * VanessaE inserts a space into the above line as appropriate. 22:13 VanessaE meanwhile... I just be wrong here, but didn't pipeworks have an object that could merely deliver a punch (rather than digging as a nodebreaker does)? 22:13 VanessaE must* 22:17 nore VanessaE: did you try putting a stick in a nodebreaker maybe? 22:17 * nore doesn't remember 22:17 VanessaE yep, it just breaks the node. 22:18 nore ah no this doesn't work indeed 22:18 VanessaE (as does making it wield a hammer() 22:20 VanessaE I could swear there used to be a way to make a machine merely throw a punch 22:20 VanessaE but if not, good. :) 22:20 nore why good? 22:21 VanessaE because I'm coding that fix-tube-with-hammer idea 22:21 VanessaE and I wanted to prevent automated repaiurs. 22:21 VanessaE -u 22:21 nore uh 22:22 nore I would prefer explicit disabling of automated repairs 22:22 nore and a node to punch 22:23 VanessaE eh? 22:23 nore well, a puncher 22:23 nore like the nodebreaker 22:23 nore but it would be configured so that it can't repair automatically 22:23 nore (easy: in the repair code, don't allow fake players to repair) 22:23 nore BUT 22:24 VanessaE that's precisely what I indended :) 22:24 nore it will be possible to do automated repairs anyway 22:24 VanessaE how so? 22:24 nore node detector + node breaker + deployer and bob's your uncle 22:24 VanessaE oh that 22:24 VanessaE well.. maybe I'll use a can_dig ;) 22:56 Fixer "Canonical Founder Talks About Ubuntu Desktop Switching From Unity To GNOME, And Focus On Cloud" 22:56 Fixer kek