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00:01 Fixer VanessaE: non mesh update lag?
00:02 VanessaE oh that
00:02 VanessaE well
00:02 * VanessaE shrugs
00:02 Fixer kek
00:02 VanessaE actually you'll probably see both
00:02 Fixer shrugging intensifies
00:03 Fixer VanessaE: that PR that Krock adopted, it may help with this
00:04 VanessaE link?
00:06 Fixer VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5268
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00:32 benrob0329 ssh + tmux = handy headless weechat server
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02:19 benrob0329 Hey, i managed to crash minetest with no mods :P
02:20 benrob0329 (traveled out too far)
02:43 benrob0329 sofar: is there a plugin that allows weechat to connect to a relay?
03:22 sofar znc works with any irc client
03:23 sofar ssh+tmux is OK, but that means you're always using the same irc program
03:23 sofar I tend to switch between various clients
03:24 sofar plus, I hate having to SSH in first
03:24 sofar so I usually just have hexchat or something else running
03:24 benrob0329 I'm using ssh currently, anything else is going to be a bit of a pain
03:26 sofar I also connect to 2 irc networks from work instead of one
03:46 nore for that I have a script that connects via ssh and resumes the weechat session, resuming automagically if ssh hung :)
05:04 octacian Night all!
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05:35 benrob0329 I think that when I get back from vacation, I'm going to do a week long challenge of only using the cli interface for my daily tasks
05:55 TommyTreasure in the past few days, a couple players have complained about lag after using unified_inventory.  haven't yet noticed it myself.  anyone else?
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07:58 Calinou https://lut.im/LFpI5PsrGf/BfypcPyPHNxH4lHd.png
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08:58 Krock hello hubbers
08:58 Megaf Morning
08:58 Krock moin :)
08:59 Megaf Krock, you don't live near Hamburg do you?
08:59 Krock Megaf, because Hamburg is in Switzerland /s
08:59 Megaf Oo
08:59 Megaf I though you lived in Germany
09:00 Krock hehe no :3
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09:14 CWz And today's topic is "Keys under the doormat, and the stupid homeowners who leave them there"
09:15 CWz Hmm perhaps i need to make a mat mod that has one inventory slot for keys
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09:23 tenplus1 hi folks
09:24 CWz oh hello there solider
09:24 tenplus1 hi CWz
09:24 CWz You missed todays off-topic topic
09:24 * tenplus1 sips his army rationed coffee
09:24 tenplus1 ooh, what happened ?
09:24 Krock hi tenplus1
09:24 tenplus1 hi Krock :P
09:24 Krock ^^
09:25 CWz today's off-topic topic is "Keys under the doormat, and the stupid homeowners who leave them there"
09:25 tenplus1 omg, that's the 1st place ppl look, and plantpots and fake stones
09:27 CWz so how's thing over at the land of Xanadu
09:28 tenplus1 good good, robbie is hopefully recording this weekend and we'll be on BaldNerd
09:28 CWz BaldNerd?
09:29 tenplus1 ThePixelShadow is the series, BaldNerd is the character hosting the video :P
09:29 CWz wasn't ShadowCat, d't remember her name?
09:29 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWx7WneKNA
09:30 CWz RobbieF, Are you Baldnerd?
09:31 CWz tenplus1, i though that recording on Xanadu is a big no no
09:31 tenplus1 without owner permission, yes :P
09:31 tenplus1 Shinji is kewl with this
09:32 tenplus1 and the admin pre-warned :P
09:39 CWz If i recall, the rules says, no uploading videos to youtube, correct?
09:39 tenplus1 without permission :P
09:41 CWz what about other video sites, like daily motion, Vimeo, metacafe, yahoo video, my space,rutube, and the others. i think might want to reword that rule.
09:41 tenplus1 heh yeah :P will rethink that one and have it translate ;D
09:43 CWz something like "don't upload videos without prior permission"
09:45 CWz does it cover uploading screenshots as a slide show  to youtube
09:46 tenplus1 lol, how to fiddle the rules :P ehehehehe
09:48 Megaf EMRAX268
09:48 Megaf ops
09:48 tenplus1 hi Megaf
09:48 Megaf hi
09:48 Megaf dat moment when ctrl c/ctrl v no longer works and you want to quote someone on IRC
09:49 Megaf Why the heck dis is not working?
09:50 Megaf I cant copy anything from Hexchat
09:50 Megaf brb
09:50 Megaf anyway
09:50 Megaf CWz, please make such mod :)
09:50 Megaf a mat with a single item inventory
09:50 tenplus1 seems hexchat is giving many problems lately...   try Pidgin for a while
09:50 Megaf to store keys
09:51 Megaf well, I never liked Hexchat
09:51 Megaf for me it was always pointless
09:52 tenplus1 pointless, how so ?
09:52 Megaf they should just continue XChat
09:52 tenplus1 wasnt it a fork ?
09:54 Megaf it is
09:54 tenplus1 the tend to fork something when the original has something up with development or going in the wrong direction
10:04 tenplus1 yup, development in xchat stopped in 2010 for xchat...  hex has taken over but has some issues in windows it seems
10:05 Megaf I just got the source from xchat here, will try to build it :)
10:05 Calinou HexChat has no issues here, on Windows, last time I used itr
10:05 Calinou but now I'm on Quassel, which is better
10:05 tenplus1 good luck :)))
10:05 tenplus1 hi Cal
10:05 tenplus1 yeah was just looking at that one, Quassel looks interesting
10:06 Megaf #error "Only <glib.h> can be included directly."
10:06 Megaf /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gslist.h:29:2: error: #error "Only <glib.h> can be included directly."
10:06 Megaf what kind of compilation error is that?
10:06 tenplus1 o.O YouTube have changed their rules again it seems...  Only channels with 10,000 viewers+ will be able to make money... da hell!!!
10:06 Megaf Hello Calinou
10:06 Calinou hi
10:06 Calinou holidays just started here :D
10:06 Calinou I'm happy
10:06 Calinou (2 weeks)
10:07 Megaf ok, youtube just killed my channel
10:07 Megaf thanks for the news Calinou
10:07 tenplus1 youtube is going to lose if they keep going this way... all it takes it a new video site to take over and treat uploaders will some respect
10:08 Megaf The thing is, under the good youtube is amazing
10:08 Calinou we need an ethical YouTube alternative…
10:08 Calinou :'(
10:08 Calinou open source, self-hostable, with good official instanc e
10:08 Megaf it still keeps the original files people uploaded since the begining
10:08 Calinou with less bullshit, and more good things
10:08 Megaf do you have any idea how much storage does that takes?
10:08 Calinou (allow video downloading by default, allow choosing any CC license, etc)
10:08 Calinou yes
10:08 tenplus1 no matter how many viewers you have you should gain from any video with adverts included
10:08 Calinou we need a rich, crazy man with money
10:08 Calinou like Lichess
10:09 Calinou Lichess is fully funded by donators now :P
10:11 tenplus1 would be amazing if someone would take up that challenge and make a better video site...
10:11 Calinou moderation is a big problem, but it's possible to overcome it
10:12 Calinou I actually thought quite a bit about this issue
10:13 tenplus1 what did you come up with ?
10:13 Calinou nothing… just thoughts
10:13 Calinou I would still like to code a self-hostable video platform for fun
10:14 Calinou it could be invite-only at first (everyone can view, but you need to be invited to upload)
10:14 Calinou that can be a decent model to start with
10:14 tenplus1 +100 :) webm all around :D
10:14 CWz i wonder when youtube would get suppassed by others
10:14 Calinou unfortunately, you still need to convert to MP4 today
10:15 Calinou many browsers don't support WebM
10:15 tenplus1 well, if they keep dicking their uploaders around like they are doing now, not too long
10:15 Calinou or only under certain conditions (MS Edge needs hardware acceleration, and it's only for VP9, and only in Intel Kaby Lake)
10:15 tenplus1 all the main browsers handle webm no probs
10:15 tenplus1 vp9 is a good standard tho
10:15 CWz if recall daily motion and Vimeo are good candidates if i recall
10:15 CWz we need an open source video format
10:16 tenplus1 ogg theora
10:16 CWz what about ogv?
10:16 tenplus1 yeah, that's the one :) (theora0
10:16 tenplus1 I have ALL my music converted into .ogg (vorbis) audio
10:17 Calinou vimeo used to lack 1080p for a long time
10:17 Calinou I think they still lack big things
10:17 Calinou also, it's still proprietary, ad-riddled, etc
10:17 Calinou Theora is dead, too
10:17 Calinou VP8 basically replaced it, so did VP9
10:18 CWz we need gnuv
10:18 Calinou let's use RoQ everywhere
10:18 Calinou (id Tech 3 video format)
10:18 Calinou or .cin (id Tech 2 video format, limited to 256-color palette, even better)
10:18 tenplus1 heh... quicktime :DDDDDD
10:18 CWz realplayer
10:19 tenplus1 hah lol... that was sooooo bad
10:19 CWz *realoneplayer
10:20 CWz I remember back when i was in primary school i used to play sonic 1 - 3 on the real one arcade
10:20 Calinou sanic
10:20 tenplus1 omg, imagine a site with .avi format 640x480 256 colours...  *shudder*
10:20 * CWz misses the early 2000s websites.
10:21 tenplus1 Windows 95 CD came with 3x videos which was fun
10:21 Zeno` I think you need to drink more, CWz
10:21 CWz haha it's called youtube 240p
10:21 tenplus1 now the Win10 dvd has over 20+gb of crap and ancient drivers
10:21 * CWz puts Zeno` back to bed and hands him a teddycat
10:21 nrzkt i'm a bit late but no problem on my hexchat at home on archlinux
10:21 Zeno` or do *something*. Missing early 2000 websites is a bit of a worry :P
10:21 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJVyfDuc_g
10:22 Calinou this is what we had 20 years ago, when video had to be stored in a game-friendly format
10:23 CWz Holy crap that quility is so good compared to 144p
10:23 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpal68Hlr0M <-- Amiga CD32's Microcosm intro video
10:23 Calinou I actually like it, it was quite high production value back then
10:23 Calinou it's really goofy CGI :P
10:23 tenplus1 they took time back then to make games ppl would wanna play... now it's all about the cash
10:24 CWz modern games are nothing bug suck in the cash, and spew out shit for the fans to munch on, while the developers swim in the doe. Call of Duty comes to mind
10:24 tenplus1 much prefer the indie game arena...
10:26 CWz EA is good example of how things have fallen just look at sims 4 compared to sims 3 and sims 3.
10:27 CWz DLC is the future
10:27 Calinou I realize, this is the only time you hear Bitterman, the Quake 2 protagonist (IIRC)
10:28 tenplus1 do you remember a game company called Psygnosis ?
10:28 Calinou no
10:29 tenplus1 they were a group of 5 guys who worked out of an apartment in Manchester, UK and made some amazing games for many platforms...
10:29 tenplus1 they were so good at one point Sony bought them over and sadly destroyed the company... *sob*
10:29 tenplus1 http://psygnosis.org/games/
10:30 tenplus1 they introduced the video intro's to 16-bit gaming :D
10:33 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGEavi7TRzQ
10:33 Calinou this reminds me… I once read Quake's QuakeC (game logic) source code
10:33 Calinou this is how I learned about many things
10:33 Calinou like, shamblers take only 30% of explosive damage, so you should generally never use grenades and rockets on them
10:33 Calinou if you die of lava on map "start", the death message is "visits the Volcano god" instead of "turned into hot slag"
10:33 Calinou (I love Quake's death messages, and the multiplayer ones are… special)
10:34 Calinou ah no, it's actually random
10:34 tenplus1 lol
10:34 Calinou https://github.com/id-Software/Quake/b​lob/bf4ac424ce754894ac8f1dae6a3981954b​c9852d/QW/progs/client.qc#L1450-L1461
10:35 Calinou look at the deathmatch death messages
10:35 Calinou it's innuendo party
10:40 Calinou heh, guy who uploaded the repo https://github.com/tbradshaw has 180 followers, yet 0 contributions in the last year
10:40 Calinou and only one repo to his name
10:41 tenplus1 I get the feeling he had his friends/family follow him
10:41 tenplus1 or peeps at work
11:14 Krock or lots of private repositories that aren't listed as contributions
11:14 tenplus1 hrm.
11:15 tenplus1 I only ever check the repos on my own git stream...  minetest-mods being a main one
11:15 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=3&amp;t=17182&amp;p=262282#p262282
11:15 Calinou someone came up with a magic solution with regards to cheating
11:15 Calinou I bet 10 MinetestCoins that he'll patent it and be successful with it
11:15 Calinou
11:15 Calinou /s
11:16 tenplus1 I hope it does, that sounds interesting... would stop so many idiots hacking there way around servers
11:17 Calinou meh, it won't work
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11:21 tenplus1 hi Jordach
11:23 Calinou whoa, Doomworld forums, I'm not impressed
11:23 Calinou I tried signing up, it refused me because of failed captcha
11:23 Calinou - I tried with third party cookies enabled, still fails
11:23 Darcidride joined #minetest-hub
11:23 Calinou - I tried with disabled uBlock Origin, still fails
11:23 Calinou I ended up using Twitter login…
11:25 Calinou "0 warning points - No restrictions being applied"
11:25 Calinou wow, I'm proud :P
11:25 tenplus1 hi Darcidride
11:25 tenplus1 :P
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11:32 tenplus1 hi fixer
11:32 Fixer hi
12:08 RobbieF CWz, I play the character of BaldNerd on The Pixel Shadow, yes. I am not him though. I'm much more adorable.
12:09 Darcidride Hi ten
12:10 Darcidride too late :)
12:10 RobbieF ha, I seriously missed tenplus1 by 1.5 minutes. Gah.
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12:31 Megaf Cheers ChanServ
12:39 Krock cleaned up sneak code coming soon! :D
12:44 Fixer nice
12:46 Krock Fixer, are you interested in testing it? https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest/tree/sneak1
12:46 Fixer Krock: when you publish it as a PR, sure %)
12:46 Krock hehe. will do that. okay ;)
12:46 Fixer i'm serious sick of this sneak testing
12:47 Fixer so much problems, bugs, etc
12:47 Fixer it is a mess
12:49 Krock Fixer, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5533
12:49 Krock the code amount reduced dramatically :3
12:49 Fixer "No idea how to describe the changes. A lot shortened away.."
12:49 Fixer kek
12:51 Fixer Krock: what exactly I need to test? sneaking in general? sneak ladders?
12:51 Fixer double jump?
12:51 Krock Fixer, gameplay overall, if somehow possible
12:51 Krock so basically all of it ..
12:51 Krock double jumps are gone, they can't be tested here
12:52 Krock Not sure if, but maybe it also stops the jittering when you walk against the limit
12:54 Fixer finally no CMD window and console stuff is also working, niiice
12:54 Krock ^^
12:55 Fixer command line also works
12:55 Fixer very good
12:55 Fixer mingw64
12:55 Fixer finally that shitty cmd window is gone
12:55 Krock I see many people prefer it without the cmd window. I'm glad that there was the possibility to enable/disable it over command line
12:55 Fixer it is disabled by default, can be enabled easily with minetest --console
12:56 Krock haven't got the most recent build yet but will definitely add that param to my minetest starter link :3
12:57 Fixer yep, it works
12:58 Fixer very nice
12:59 * Krock is sceptical
13:00 Fixer made a link with --console - proper console is opened
13:00 Fixer starting from CMD console works
13:00 Fixer commandline options work
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13:01 Krock wb tenplus1
13:01 tenplus1 thanks :)
13:01 Krock np
13:02 tenplus1 hi folks :P
13:02 * tenplus1 has popcorn and coffee now :pPpp
13:02 Krock how do these two things even MATCH??
13:02 Fixer easily
13:02 tenplus1 *sip* *nom* quite well actually :
13:02 Krock ugh. Okay.
13:02 tenplus1 eheheh
13:03 tenplus1 I like weird combo's
13:05 Megaf Wb tenplus1
13:05 tenplus1 thx Megaf
13:05 * Megaf may I have some?
13:05 * tenplus1 shares
13:06 Fixer Krock: https://i.imgur.com/CmUkgsc.png
13:07 tenplus1 laters build ?
13:07 Krock lovely :)
13:07 tenplus1 ahaha, player knockback works too well.. am being tossed around like a tennis ball by mobs :D
13:08 Fixer Krock: only thing is that "dir" cmd, after mt cmd line execution it does not add $PATH> part, all commands still work though
13:08 Fixer Krock: but thats cosmetic
13:10 Fixer Krock: works correctly in bat files too
13:11 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/ANbJA6t.png
13:11 Fixer minetest --version is executed succesfuly and them dir command via bat file, everything is fine
13:13 Fixer then*
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13:15 Fixer Krock: no need for link, just add enable_console = true in minetest.conf - console starts with minetest as before, nice
13:15 * Krock looks up the commit to see what he has missed
13:16 Krock well, great. the setting is not even documented
13:17 Fixer Krock: is not minetest.conf is updated by some other means?
13:17 Fixer Krock: this needs to be documented
13:17 Fixer not the first time people miss minetest.conf
13:17 Krock no, the documentation must be done manually
13:18 Krock there's a script to convert the settingtypes to the minetest.conf.example file (or the other way, dunno)
13:18 benrob0329 Calinou CWz tenplus1 Megaf
13:19 tenplus1 hi ben
13:19 Calinou ?
13:19 benrob0329 Vid.me is gaining popularity
13:19 tenplus1 checking
13:19 Fixer Krock: i don't see it in setting types but in defaultsettings.cpp  only
13:19 benrob0329 I have a channel on there
13:20 Krock Fixer, yes. It's not documented anywhere apart from the code itself
13:20 benrob0329 I can say the app has gotten much better
13:20 Fixer Krock: wanna do a trivial PR about that? %)
13:20 tenplus1 ooh, +1 for small vid links and html5 video support :)
13:20 Krock Fixer, sure, why not? *shrug*
13:20 benrob0329 Media Goblen is self hosted
13:20 * Krock creates a new branch
13:21 Calinou MediaGoblin kind of sucks though
13:21 Calinou the UI is not that good (they want to make it different from YouTube for reasons™)
13:21 Calinou installation is rather complex too
13:24 Megaf VIdme doesnt work on Opera
13:25 Megaf VidMe
13:25 Megaf the goblin thing sucks a lot
13:25 benrob0329 that's srange
13:25 benrob0329 Codecs?
13:25 tenplus1 vidme supresses specific types of video.... not good
13:25 tenplus1 what else is out there that's good ?
13:26 benrob0329 Define "suppress"
13:26 tenplus1 certain topics are censored from trending pages and removed from catagories
13:26 tenplus1 https://vid.me/SXfn
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13:26 Krock Fixer, too lazy to check for all missing params.. writing Lua script with regex checks for this :3
13:27 tenplus1 hi WhoAreYou
13:27 WhoAreYou Oh, hello tenplus1. :)
13:28 benrob0329 tenplus1: that's...interesting
13:28 benrob0329 can't say that's the worst thing that they could do
13:29 benrob0329 But its not the best
13:29 tenplus1 https://safetricks.org/youtube-alternatives/
13:29 benrob0329 The thing is, I don't want a site with no rules or moderation
13:30 benrob0329 Like, I don't want to be scrolling through the trending page and have porn be spread throughout it
13:30 tenplus1 definitely keep the rules for censoring things like nudity/porn/major violence/ensighting violence etc
13:31 tenplus1 but many people want a voice and hate youtube and other sites like it censoring them... what happened to net neutrality
13:32 Fixer host everything yourself if possible, this will get maximum avoid censoring mode
13:33 benrob0329 Until the government is allowed more control of the web
13:35 tenplus1 they dont seem to realist that pushing users off certain sites and controlling/closing certain sites makes them go elsewhere and so they are harder to track
13:36 benrob0329 True
13:36 benrob0329 Like deep/dark web
13:37 tenplus1 so by forcing ppl's hand they move to places that cant be tracked so easily
13:38 benrob0329 And whos to say a new web couldn't be invented
13:38 tenplus1 true :P
13:39 benrob0329 I wonder how long until minetest bases the selection box around the mesh
13:40 tenplus1 bases ?
13:40 benrob0329 like, rather than have it be a nodebox
13:41 tenplus1 explain pls ?
13:43 Fixer all your base are belong to us
13:43 benrob0329 Right now selecton boxes are just boxes, with multiple boxes if you do it right
13:43 benrob0329 They should be based of the mesh used
13:44 benrob0329 Even if its just an approximation
13:44 tenplus1 is it quicker this way ?
13:45 benrob0329 Its easier on the modder, and the default of most engines
13:46 benrob0329 Not having the player fall through entities would be nice as well, but I don't know how difficult that would be
14:01 RobbieF good morning tenplus1
14:01 tenplus1 hi robbie
14:01 RobbieF hi all
14:02 tenplus1 vimeo seems ok but a tad slow to load
14:04 RobbieF really?
14:04 tenplus1 checking out youtube alternatives robbie, they've changed their rules again
14:04 RobbieF Oh
14:04 RobbieF We use Vimeo. I'm not having any trouble today.
14:05 RobbieF Slow to load?
14:05 RobbieF All our feeds and our Roku channel are powered by Vimeo
14:05 tenplus1 video works fine, just the initial loading of the front page that's slow
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14:05 RobbieF who uses the vimeo front page?  :D
14:05 tenplus1 hi octacian
14:05 octacian morning tenplus1
14:06 RobbieF https://vimeo.com/category5
14:06 tenplus1 :P
14:07 RobbieF tenplus1 - https://cat5.tv/vimeo if you decide to sign up. Saves you some cash monies and gives us a commission.
14:07 benrob0329 I could make a vimeo account....but I don't think the majority of my content would git...
14:07 benrob0329 Also hi RobbieF
14:07 tenplus1 wait, you gotta pay to join vimeo ???
14:07 RobbieF hiya
14:07 benrob0329 Yes and no
14:07 RobbieF tenplus1 yes, it's a pro centred service.
14:07 RobbieF benrob0329... yes, you have to pay. Really.
14:08 benrob0329 there's a non paid account though, no?
14:08 RobbieF Saying you don't have to pay for Vimeo is like saying you can get "free wine" because the wine shop is giving little 1/2 oz taste tests.
14:08 benrob0329 Wirh afs n such
14:08 benrob0329 *ads
14:08 tenplus1 I assumed it ran on Ad revenue same as youtube
14:08 RobbieF nope
14:08 RobbieF That was Blip you're thinking of. They went out of business.
14:10 benrob0329 Nope
14:10 benrob0329 https://help.vimeo.com/hc/en-us/art​icles/228068968-Compare-Vimeo-plans
14:10 benrob0329 Vimeo basic
14:11 RobbieF you planning to make little 30 second videos?
14:11 tenplus1 I'll only be watching videos, never uploading
14:12 RobbieF again, that's like a wee taste-test
14:12 RobbieF oh, it's free to WATCH tenplus1
14:12 benrob0329 500 megs is a lot for 720p
14:12 * tenplus1 watches RetroPi video :DDD
14:12 RobbieF uh, benrob0329... yikes.
14:12 RobbieF lol
14:12 benrob0329 granted, I dont use 720p
14:12 RobbieF our show is 1080p. One episode costs me about 15 GB.
14:12 tenplus1 for simple videos 360/480 is more than enough :D
14:12 octacian ..but for 1080p at 30fps, 500MB isn't much
14:12 RobbieF 500 MB is nothing.
14:13 octacian ....which I why I for one no longer use Vimeo
14:13 RobbieF I just pay the bill :D
14:13 octacian Wait, RobbieF: how long is each episode?
14:13 benrob0329 1080p 60 is even worse
14:13 RobbieF 1 hour roughly octacian, but gets edited into snippets so each episode is actually several videos in the end.
14:13 octacian tenplus1: Personally I won't upload anything below 1080p anymore, no matter the length. Sometimes 720p, but rarely
14:14 RobbieF benrob0329 we also do 360 VR video....
14:14 RobbieF in 4k
14:14 octacian How would that be 15GB...
14:14 tenplus1 my net-top can just about handle 720p....  but I watch everything in 480 regardless
14:14 benrob0329 a 10 minute video is around a gig, even more if its not as compressed
14:14 RobbieF it varies octacian. This week's was only 10 GB
14:14 RobbieF not as many features
14:15 RobbieF Then, to top it off, we also have other shows
14:15 octacian huh, for me 10m videos are about 350-400MB
14:15 RobbieF so that adds even more
14:15 RobbieF octacian those wouldn't be for broadcast.
14:15 RobbieF fine for personal viewing
14:15 RobbieF our masters are ~40 GB per show
14:15 RobbieF closer to 100 GB if we're shooting 4K
14:15 octacian I'm talking 400MB at 1080p 60FPS
14:15 tenplus1 4k is far too much tbh
14:15 RobbieF Episode 471 (4K 360) was something like 320 GB
14:16 RobbieF tenplus1 these are the broadcast masters. Vimeo then scales them down to as low as 360p
14:16 Fixer If you go audio only with opus encoding - you got like 5 mb per 1 hour of audio :}
14:16 tenplus1 unless you're releasing an amazingly beautiful movie with scenery that's worth the extra resolution, 720p is more than enough
14:16 benrob0329 nope
14:16 benrob0329 Never
14:16 Jordach 4k is a joke
14:16 RobbieF Yes, category5 is an amazingly beautiful movie with scenery  :D
14:16 tenplus1 ehehehehe
14:17 benrob0329 I use 720 only when live streaming
14:17 RobbieF don't tell Sasha I called her scenery  ;p
14:17 tenplus1 lolz
14:17 benrob0329 (I only have 5 mbps up)
14:17 * Jordach tells on RobbieF
14:17 RobbieF ouch benrob0329  :D
14:17 Jordach Kappa
14:17 RobbieF I have 120 Mb/s up
14:18 Jordach RobbieF, 4K isn't mainstream for ages
14:18 RobbieF huh?!
14:18 Jordach most of the world can't even stream it
14:18 tenplus1 many years ago I use to have an H&B 3255 dvd player that could handle .avi files... and anything i ever downloaded was transcoded to 320x256@24fps so that I coudl fit 24hrs worth if video on a single dvd disc
14:18 Jordach let alone upload it
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14:18 benrob0329 Dang, that's probably handy
14:18 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy
14:18 RobbieF then they can watch the 360p Jordach  :D
14:18 RobbieF the technology is HLS
14:18 Jordach RobbieF, yes there's scalers
14:18 RobbieF so why say 4K is nonsense?
14:18 RobbieF HLS auto-scales to their bandwidth Jordach
14:18 Jordach but people usually have either 1080p/720p or 4K displays
14:18 rubenwardy hi tenplus1
14:19 Jordach (samsung phones and iPhones are above 1080p)
14:19 benrob0329 I plan on buying a 4k monitor one of these days...
14:19 Jordach benrob0329, GPUs can somewhat push 4k60
14:19 benrob0329 That and a capture card and I'm all set :D
14:20 RobbieF You should have seen the production on Episode 471. Ye gads. 2 hours of 4K 360 video at 30fps.
14:20 RobbieF it was brutal to edit and render.
14:20 tenplus1 I can imagine
14:20 benrob0329 Well, actually minetest would handle 4k..
14:20 benrob0329 *might not
14:21 RobbieF with 360 though you have to keep in mind, their viewport is only ~960p (the part they see in front of them) so you NEED the 4K source to get any sensible quality.
14:21 Jordach benrob0329, MT can handle 4K
14:21 benrob0329 But how well?
14:22 Fixer benrob0329: i7 + some good videocard
14:23 tenplus1 oof...  am lucky to ever get 45fps with full sreen HD in minetest :D
14:23 benrob0329 Like, I've got a 980ti but minetest isn't the most optimized game on the plannet
14:23 octacian tenplus1: I get a solid 60FPS :P
14:23 octacian And I've got a 750Ti
14:23 * tenplus1 has Nvidia Ion.2 mobile graphics :D
14:23 RobbieF not to mention, 2 GB RAM  :D
14:24 RobbieF So tenplus1... 4K runs like a dog. 1fps.
14:24 benrob0329 I get 60 on my i5 laptop
14:24 tenplus1 hehehe, your gfx card is more powerful than my whole pc
14:24 RobbieF tenplus1 I've had turds that are more powerful than your PC
14:24 RobbieF :D
14:24 benrob0329 XD
14:24 tenplus1 more than likely :P  but I love my wee net-top...
14:25 benrob0329 My old celoron could pump out 60
14:25 tenplus1 http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2​010/09/acer-aspire-revo-ars3700-01.jpg
14:26 RobbieF cute!
14:27 tenplus1 and best of all, Xanadu was built on that wee setup :) you can feel all the lag so optimizing mods is great on it :D
14:31 benrob0329 it'd be like if Olimar fought in Street Fighter
14:32 tenplus1 :P
14:33 octacian You know, it's fun attempting to create parent-child constraints for HUDs...
14:33 RobbieF yeah that's a smart process tenplus1.
14:36 tenplus1 :3
14:38 Fixer Krock: it does climb up more realistically
14:38 Fixer Krock: slower speed, interesting motion
14:38 Krock good to hear. what are the downsides you found?
14:38 tenplus1 you changed the climbing speed for ladders ?
14:39 Fixer Krock: slower climb for two row sneak ladder and even slower for one row one
14:40 Fixer Krock: two row is this https://i.imgur.com/tE6aMpU.png
14:40 Krock one-row is not supposed to work o.0
14:41 Krock interesting
14:41 Fixer Krock: one row is working but slower https://i.imgur.com/lbAyNkF.png
14:41 Fixer faster to use the ladder :}
14:41 Krock hmm.. got to test that one now
14:43 Krock trying to get up on a 1-row ladder.. can't manage to get up
14:43 * Krock checks his settings
14:44 benrob0329 How have I managed to get 1.4k views on my second video
14:44 benrob0329 That video isn't even noteworthy
14:44 Krock oh. my jump speed is set to 6.0, that's why
14:44 Krock indeed, works now :D
14:46 tenplus1 is this change going in default ?
14:46 Krock Fixer, do you already have an opinion on it? I'd appreciate if you could write a summary on the pull :)
14:47 Krock tenplus1, what do you mean? 1-row sneak ladders were alreay possible before (i.e. old sneak code)
14:47 tenplus1 that's what I mean, are these new changes being added ?
14:48 Krock tenplus1, only if you test it and approve the changes from the perspective of a regular player ^^
14:48 Krock it's in the pull pipeline: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5533
14:48 tenplus1 :P
14:50 Krock Fixer, how about the jitter? is there still any when walking against the limits?
14:50 Fixer can't reproduce the jitter
14:51 Krock my framerates might be too low to notice anything but if you can't notice any then *horray*
14:51 Fixer can't reproduce at 100 fps
14:52 benrob0329 Speaking of jitter, I experienced some whilst flying at slow speeds a while ago, was that just my setup being weird?
14:53 Fixer Krock: try sneaking on door
14:55 Krock eh.. acts weird :/
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15:00 nore Krock: do we really want to add damage evasion back? :'
15:00 Fixer Krock: double jump is also possible in many places
15:01 tenplus1 nore: the hold sneak while falling issue ?
15:01 Krock nore, no, but there are settings
15:01 nore from what I see it is only sneak_override_glitch
15:02 nore ehm, physics_override_sneak_glitch I ments
15:02 nore *meant
15:03 Krock Fixer, okay. the doors are no way better than the current sneak code. will try to solve this
15:03 Fixer nore: there still damage evasion possible in new sfans code, but it is much harder to evade in game situation
15:05 nore hmm, interesting
15:06 Fixer nore: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/329 this still possible
15:06 Fixer nore: https://imgur.com/a/emxdQ
15:07 * tenplus1 tries to envision WHY fall damage is negated by holding shift when falling onto a node... shouldnt y velocity come to a sudden 0 and damage occur regardless
15:08 benrob0329 ^^
15:08 Krock no, because sneak conflicts with the collision algorithm
15:09 tenplus1 cant you check collision 1st, apply damage and sneak after ?
15:09 Fixer thats what i suggested
15:09 Fixer if velocity is more than X - do damage
15:09 tenplus1 that way you have both (hopefully
15:09 Fixer no matter what you press and how you fly
15:10 tenplus1 even if you fly and you fly down at speed it shoudl still hurt
15:10 tenplus1 unless you got good armor :D
15:10 tenplus1 sudden stops over speed should hurt
15:10 Fixer tenplus1: it hurts
15:13 Fixer "check collision 1st, apply damage and sneak after" +1000
15:14 tenplus1 ;P
15:16 tenplus1 am starting to think shears should be a tool in default game
15:17 tenplus1 digging grass/leaves only return a chance of a seed or sapling, but using shears would give you the grass/leaves also
15:20 Fixer PART FISH @ PART GIRL @ I DON"T FIT YOUR WORLD>>>
15:20 Fixer need to check another thing in sneaking
15:20 Krock the problem is that the collision only returns speed changes if the player collided with something
15:21 Fixer Krock: try walk + sneak on those stairs... https://i.imgur.com/EtkNVPZ.png
15:21 Fixer i wonder if it is in default too
15:21 Krock glitch glitch :D
15:21 Fixer so fucked up even after sfans changes
15:22 Fixer fuuuuuuuuuuucked up, THIS IS NOT FINE
15:22 Krock yep, same way in the current sneak code
15:22 Krock thanks a lot for testing :D
15:23 Fixer Krock: if you walk off from full block to slab - sneaking will not occur (that also is present in default iirc)
15:24 Krock yes, because there's still a node below your feet
15:25 Fixer Krock: could this help? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4981
15:26 Fixer Krock: oh wait, not yet
15:26 Krock no, that's about nodes that have an additional damage parameter
15:26 Fixer Krock: he said collision damages is not done yet
15:26 Fixer server-side collision damages will be later
15:28 Fixer every time i test sneak stuff I'm getting triggered on how it is fucked up
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16:54 benrob0329 I feel like the real problem may be MTs "fake" physics
16:56 * tenplus1 floats through the sky and wonders what you mean o.O
17:06 Krock this moment when gmail marks youtube notifications as spam :D
17:07 Krock or "possible spam"
17:07 tenplus1 ehehhe
17:12 tenplus1 https://marketingfood.files.wordpress​.com/2011/05/google-spam-300x251.jpg
17:18 tenplus1 Krock: did you see the player knockback effects I added to PlayerPlus mod ?
17:18 sofar https://twitter.com/WCSheriff/st​atus/850380494109790209/photo/1
17:18 sofar ^ the reason my kids have no school today
17:19 tenplus1 power cables about to fall ?
17:21 Jordach >squandering money on illegals and not infrastructure
17:25 Krock tenplus1, not yet, no.
17:27 tenplus1 no worries :P
17:27 sofar Jordach: kek, rural infrastructure
17:27 Krock does it use setPos()? :P
17:28 tenplus1 nope, it's proper knockback effects :D
17:28 benrob0329 sofar: we've got some of that, slushy I've storms up here
17:28 tenplus1 github.com/tenplus1/playerplus
17:28 sofar 90kmph winds atm with 145kmph gusts.
17:28 Krock then it must be done with attached entities
17:28 tenplus1 yup, exactly :P
17:28 Krock can't imagine another way
17:29 tenplus1 and any tool can add a specific knockback strength or defaults to damage caused
17:29 Krock rip internet?
17:30 sofar bwahaha
17:30 sofar his packet still went out
17:31 benrob0329 Weechat android is really handy wheb your on the go
17:37 Shara Hi everyone
17:37 tenplus1 hi shara
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17:41 Fixer need to update dat winxp sp1 machine to sp3 ._.
17:42 tenplus1 wb Krock
17:42 Krock ty
17:42 Krock internet dieded :(
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17:54 sofar Krock: you said "<Krock> rip internet?" before you disconnected
17:55 Krock oh. didn't expect that it actually sent that o.0
17:55 Krock websites timed out and youtube stopped outputting nice sounds
17:58 benrob0329 Irc is a very robust protocol apparently
18:00 sofar Krock: you most likely lost DNS, but routing was still functional
18:01 Krock ah okay
18:09 sofar benrob0329: it's what DDOSers use, so, yeah
18:12 Krock slow loris attack is still the best :D
18:13 benrob0329 Just emp the server site
18:13 rubenwardy benrob0329, *split*
18:15 benrob0329 Its sad how easily our infrastructure is destroyed
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18:26 Krock <offtopic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LSIQmw3k3g </offtopic> </Krock>
18:28 tenplus1 :P
18:28 Krock Title: Electric Light Orchestra.- Discovery (1979)
18:33 VanessaE does anyone have some insight into my possibly-mesecons-fault memory leak issue?
18:37 nore VanessaE: my best guess would be voxelmanipulator-related memleak, but need to test
18:37 Krock when you ask like this it looks like it's very hard to reproduce in singleplayer
18:37 VanessaE Krock: that's okay, it's hard for me to even figure out where to look, let alone tell someone else how to reproduce :)
18:37 VanessaE however, nore might be able to since he has a copy of VE-S world
18:38 nore Krock could get one as well :)
18:38 VanessaE (the only reason I said mesecons is because it's been cited numerous times in out-of-mem errors, though that may be a red herring)
18:38 VanessaE sure, he could I guess :)
18:38 Krock heh, 10 GiB?
18:38 VanessaE yep, about that
18:38 Krock :<
18:38 VanessaE expands to around 12 or 13 GB
18:38 nore That's only as much as a few movies :)
18:39 VanessaE heh
18:39 Krock got a quite slow connection here, thus upsampling and filtering where possible. a few movies never get that big :/
18:40 nore The only thing that is going to suffer is your disk while uncompressing :p
18:40 VanessaE heh
18:40 Krock lol
18:40 Krock exporting a 4k movie as GIF :3
18:40 nore Ah yeah, slow connection is quite a pain
18:40 nore Took me like 30 minutes to download with a fast one, so...
18:40 VanessaE which is why a guy I knew many moons ago called it "bandnarrowth" :)
18:41 Krock around 5 Mbps is enough for me usually but it's not funny if your upload connection is aborted randomly in between >:(
18:42 Krock downloading 1 GiB at is no problem but uploading 2 MiB to dropbox or any FTP server is
18:42 Krock should consider switching the ISP if this isn't geographically limited
18:43 VanessaE damn, and here I thought 70 Mbps could feel slow at times
18:43 Krock xD
18:43 Krock strong enough to run some more MT servers
18:45 VanessaE that's my home connection.  my server instances have 250 Mbps under them :)
18:46 VanessaE (really, I just got lucky to find such a good server at such a cheap price :) )
18:48 Krock price and speed is not the only thing that counts. If there's also some support available for the worst case that's great
18:48 VanessaE OVH support is decent
18:48 VanessaE at least, they're responsive
18:49 Krock YEAH MAN
18:49 Krock fixed the damage evading
18:51 Krock > they said sneak ladders and damage won't fit both into one
18:55 Shara Krock: You have sneak ladders but no fall damage avoidance?
18:55 Krock Shara, 2-row sneak ladders for now, yes
18:55 VanessaE those are the only kind that make any sense imho
18:55 Krock trying to add back the 1-row sneak ladder but it's no longer possible to avoid damage
18:56 Shara no damage is good
18:56 Shara or, no avoiding damage, rather :P
19:12 Fixer wish me lack to update windows xp to service pack 2
19:13 red-001 you are still using xp?
19:13 Fixer not me
19:13 Fixer helping other guy that has winxp sp1
19:13 benrob0329 Why???
19:13 Fixer OFFICE
19:14 Jordach >office XP
19:14 * Jordach is triggered
19:14 tenplus1 lol
19:14 Jordach i hate it
19:14 Jordach that goddamn box
19:14 Fixer no, thats office PC, it will still work nicely on sp1 if not that shitty web mail that refuses to work on firefox 11
19:14 Krock just get the SP3 binary from M$ and smash it on the PC
19:14 Jordach that is meant for art
19:14 Jordach everyone just dragged graphical items outside of it
19:14 tenplus1 WinXP SP3 performance edition is available 120mb
19:15 Krock FF 50.1 works fine with SP3 :/
19:15 tenplus1 the new ff wont work on anything below vista
19:15 Fixer the reason I'm updating is web mail problem, some shitty hipsters did it such way that it won't run on firefox 11 for some reason, it is not that old
19:15 Krock new FF?
19:15 tenplus1 firefox
19:15 Fixer ff 11 is last supported for service pack 1
19:16 Krock no, I meant what's new?
19:16 Fixer so i'm updating to service pack 3 to install newer firefox
19:16 benrob0329 or you could use Linux
19:16 tenplus1 +1000000
19:16 Fixer dude, thats office pc
19:17 Krock or try the luck with ReactOS. It already supports FF 3.6 and maybe higher :P
19:17 tenplus1 boot from flash d rive :D
19:17 Fixer it has thunderbird, but that person don't know how to use it much
19:17 Fixer service pack 1 is really old edition
19:17 Krock tenplus1, no. not that. Either from an external SSD or external hard drive. Flash is just too slow
19:17 Krock lol thunderbird is somewhat easy to set up and use o.o
19:17 tenplus1 no way... I ahve a usb 3 flash drive booting into a live xubuntu session and it's fast...
19:18 benrob0329 Do you really think that a 17 year old OS is a good idea for an office computer?
19:18 Fixer Krock: that person is very old for thunderbird
19:18 Krock oh
19:19 Fixer pretty good PC, 13 years old, 2.5ghz, 7XX mb ram
19:19 Fixer good for office
19:19 tenplus1 Lubuntu in that case ;D
19:19 red-001 windows from usb
19:20 Krock tenplus1, the difference was much higher with USB 2.0. If you've got a good 3.0 flash drive, then it will be surely fast
19:20 Krock windows from floppies!  <rebellic mode>
19:20 Fixer had this
19:20 Fixer or not
19:20 Fixer wait
19:20 tenplus1 haah, I remember installing win95 from 21 floppies
19:20 Fixer that 20mb hdd already had win 3.11
19:20 Fixer floppy had msdos boot
19:21 red-001 or if you want to save the cost of a usb, use a cd
19:21 Fixer i wonder what firefox 11 is not supporting...
19:21 Krock HTML5 most likely
19:22 Fixer released just 5 years ago, wth
19:22 Fixer it is pretty much new
19:22 Fixer fucking hipsters
19:22 tenplus1 lolol
19:23 Fixer service pack install is insanely long
19:23 Fixer i've also made partition image before doing it ._.
19:23 Krock about 300 MiB, no?
19:23 Fixer yes
19:23 Fixer 300 mb
19:24 Fixer then another 300 for sp3
19:24 Krock what? you could just upgrade directly
19:24 tenplus1 https://pirateproxy.cc/torrent/5965728/Windows​_XP_Pro_Performance_Edition_SP3_November_2010
19:24 tenplus1 if you have a legit key then that will help :)
19:25 Fixer Krock: you can't i think, i've read it requires sp2 first, then sp3
19:25 Krock WPAkill ;)
19:25 Krock Fixer, 1 moment
19:26 Fixer Krock: too late, it is in the middle of installing sp2
19:26 Fixer and i think it has wpakill :trollface:
19:26 Fixer in Ukraine literally everything is pirated, exception is accounting/taxation software/etc
19:27 Krock harr harr.
19:27 Fixer since PC is not OEM most of the time
19:27 Fixer at least in many places
19:27 Fixer it is just assembled and you or seller can install win on it
19:27 Fixer pirated in 99.9999% cases ofc
19:28 Fixer and honestly it works good
19:28 Fixer no UPDATE NOW bullshit
19:28 Fixer it runs 10-15 years before something breaks
19:28 Fixer like that webmail thing
19:28 Fixer then you upgrade the service pack, while hipsters cry loud
19:29 tenplus1 use the link I posted, has WinXP updated to sp3 with driver packs installed for many things
19:29 Fixer tenplus1: nah, i have newer one, I don't want to install software all over again
19:30 Fixer my plan is sp2-sp3-wpakill-firefox, DONE
19:32 Fixer Krock: harr, newer cracks for newer windowses are even more amazing, activates _everything_ windows, office, etc, etc, has updates, on the other hand windows 10 is kinda shitty and new offices are not needed for most of people, there are some cool features, yes, but most wants just spreadshit and type a document
19:32 benrob0329 -linux
19:33 Fixer they have a working win98se pc that is probably older than octacian
19:33 Fixer and it works
19:33 TommyTreasure such a shame that most business software companies are anti-linux
19:33 octacian Definitely older than me :rotfl:
19:33 Fixer /hipstors cry
19:34 benrob0329 Join us, join the Linux Movement
19:34 tenplus1 WinXP was my last windows os... switched to linux shortly after
19:34 Fixer TommyTreasure: actually it is better with time, including accounting software, also, move to the web (tm) will be good for linux
19:35 benrob0329 Moving to crosd platform libraries woulf be better
19:35 Krock Fixer, at least you don't have to cry. Fixed the weird stair sneak behaviour and the fall damage evading part ;)
19:35 Krock benrob0329, ur goood very spelin
19:35 Fixer Krock: minetest user since early 2011, i've seen much worse things...
19:35 benrob0329 Yes, I uz gud
19:36 benrob0329 Phone keyboards don't help
19:37 Fixer benrob0329: you can have office 365 on linux too iirc
19:37 TommyTreasure the court system in my area of the US, almost demands those doing legal work use specific versions of windows based applications
19:37 Fixer or whatever
19:37 Fixer os becames irrelevant
19:37 octacian I used Windows 7 until I got a broken registry, messing with that for weeks is like, no way.
19:37 Fixer octacian: there is an option to go back to previous version
19:37 Fixer of registry
19:37 Fixer last working configuration
19:37 Fixer that is that
19:38 benrob0329 Fixer: what does 365 do?
19:38 tenplus1 Office 365?
19:38 rubenwardy libreoffice is pretty good
19:38 Fixer benrob0329: web version of microsoft office %)
19:38 rubenwardy and google drive
19:38 benrob0329 Bleahh
19:38 Fixer imho linux has most of stuff needed for avg folks
19:38 benrob0329 Gimme Open/Libre office
19:38 Krock but M$ office and libreoffice have some compability problems
19:39 tenplus1 I have my mom's laptop on xubuntu and she loves it... windows confuses the crap outta her
19:39 benrob0329 Heck, gimme markdown and nano
19:39 rubenwardy docx has compatability
19:39 Fixer it is much better than I remember it 13 years ago or so
19:39 octacian Fixer: the previous version of registry was also broken
19:39 octacian Literally everything was broken
19:39 Fixer one problem is f------------ing gnome and kde
19:39 Fixer octacian: kek
19:39 Krock unity!
19:39 benrob0329 Hey, I like gnome
19:39 rubenwardy Like, literally transfering doc files between word version or different computers can cause problems
19:39 tenplus1 *cough* mate, xfce, lxde
19:39 benrob0329 Unity is dead
19:39 octacian ..so I switched to Ubuntu and the only other time I've used Windows passed that in Win10 on VM for MS Access before Wine was updated to support Office 365
19:39 Fixer tenplus1: entire kde4/gnome3 debucle was BAD
19:39 octacian *is
19:40 tenplus1 thankfully LxQt is almost done, uses Qt which is fast as hell
19:40 benrob0329 I like my keyboard shortcuts and system integration
19:40 Fixer tenplus1: xfce or lxqt are good, yep
19:40 rubenwardy xfce is awesome
19:40 Fixer i like xfce
19:41 Fixer development even slower than for minetest
19:41 rubenwardy The only experience of GNOME I've had is CentOS, that shit was painful
19:41 tenplus1 Xubuntu uses Xfce which is simple, provides a good and simple desktop with plugins
19:41 VanessaE xfce or bust :)
19:42 benrob0329 dynamic workspaces and search, or bust
19:42 rubenwardy Default xfce is ugly, much better with a theme http://pasteboard.co/1xaO2CNPO.png
19:42 rubenwardy benrob0329: search?
19:43 tenplus1 gnome-look.org has xfce themes and many of them
19:43 benrob0329 Yes, like krunner or Gnome shell
19:43 tenplus1 and deviantart.com has a few peeps working on amazing themeing
19:43 benrob0329 Ark or Numix ftw
19:43 rubenwardy I have Albert on my system
19:43 rubenwardy nice and minimal
19:43 tenplus1 numix is great, a few small issues tho
19:44 VanessaE I'd take a screenshot, but I'm one of those heretics who tends to maximize all her windows (except IRC and terminals) :)
19:44 benrob0329 I like to maximise my apps and spread them across workspaces
19:45 rubenwardy same
19:45 VanessaE I have multiple monitors.  the hell with workspaces :)
19:45 rubenwardy same
19:45 benrob0329 hard to do that on a laptop
19:45 VanessaE true, but xfce has you covered in that respect
19:45 rubenwardy I use a laptop with multiple monitors
19:45 VanessaE (I just don't care for the feature)
19:46 benrob0329 and I could hook my desktop up to my tv, but my tv is crap
19:46 rubenwardy both at home and uni labs, not not at coffee shops
19:46 rubenwardy Numix is ok, prefer adapta though
19:47 rubenwardy I've never been able to get three finger swipe working on Linux :(   (to switch workspaces, or show all windows)
19:48 benrob0329 Ctrl Alt up/down
19:48 benrob0329 Or left/right depending on your de
19:49 rubenwardy yeah, I know, but not as quick as a swipe
19:49 benrob0329 I have one hand on the keyboard anyways
19:50 tenplus1 http://img.ourl.ca/41%20PM.png  <--  Xubuntu linux running vbox in seamless mode with a fully working Windows10 at bottom
19:50 rubenwardy nice
19:50 benrob0329 Wait...what??
19:50 rubenwardy what's the performance like?
19:50 Krock It's a hybrid!!
19:50 rubenwardy I used to do it the other way around
19:51 benrob0329 he's a witch!
19:51 Krock burn the witch!
19:51 benrob0329 Burn him at the stake!
19:51 Krock bring wood and fire
19:51 tenplus1 surprisingly good... yeah... it's a native linux running virtualbox seamless mode with win10 taskbar at bottom, runs all windows software and linux so long as you have a few good cores on your cpu
19:51 tenplus1 my m8 uses it for itunes and a few games :D
19:52 benrob0329 Your babble wont save you this time"
19:52 benrob0329 *!
19:52 tenplus1 ehehehe
19:53 benrob0329 The Jedi may have space magic, but I have Linux!
19:54 TommyTreasure may the schwartz be with you
19:55 Fixer sp2 installed :}
19:56 Fixer have not seen that activation nug yet
19:56 Fixer or nag
20:01 Fixer Krock: i've missed the part about damage evasion, what was about it?
20:03 * Fixer scrolls back
20:05 Fixer sofar: very weak poles to me
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20:10 Fixer VanessaE: so lazy, you can migrate it back to sqlite and use unexplore script that will get you down to <1GB of size for sure
20:10 VanessaE it already is sqlite
20:11 VanessaE I migrated off of leveldb because those kind of maps are tricky to back-up properly (particularly if you need to share the backup)
20:11 Fixer VanessaE: now install python, make a backup and do on it https://github.com/AndrejIT/map_unexplore
20:12 Fixer however
20:12 Fixer i'm not sure if it works with new map format :(
20:12 VanessaE not gonna happen.
20:12 VanessaE something changed a while back with how the map seed is interpreted
20:12 tenplus1 I have remap.py which removes all areas apart from those containing a protector :) works well
20:12 VanessaE all those deleted blocks will be recreated wrongly.
20:13 tenplus1 ? map changes ?
20:13 Fixer VanessaE: it is not about seed, it just looks mapblocks for certain man placed blocks and removes everything else
20:13 VanessaE the VE-S map is old enough that it'll break
20:13 Fixer very good tool
20:13 VanessaE Fixer: yes you delete a block and the engine re-creates it next time someone goes there
20:13 Fixer VanessaE: yes
20:13 VanessaE and it re-creates it wrongly because something is different about the way the seed is interpreted.
20:14 Fixer VanessaE: yes, mapgen changed since then, it is expected
20:14 VanessaE it's mgv6
20:14 tenplus1 why u break backwards compatibility... why u do 'dis?
20:14 VanessaE it's NOT expected.
20:14 Shara Regardless of whether expected... it's not good
20:15 Shara Stuff like that looks terrible in game, and is very easy to notice
20:15 Fixer VanessaE: v6 has not changed much o_O
20:15 Fixer i meant v7
20:16 Shara Hi WhoAreYou :)
20:16 VanessaE Fixer: it's changed enough that I can't safely "unexplore" or even "/deleteblocks" on that world.
20:16 WhoAreYou Hello Shara. :)
20:16 VanessaE and I know for a fact, 100% sure, that the seed has never been changed on that world.
20:26 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVn01ONkfI0
20:26 sofar Fixer: no, those poles are really strong, but the land is entirely waterlogged and the wind just pushed them over (they're more than 2m into the ground!)
20:27 VanessaE nore, regarding the memory leak, I just spotted something in my server stats of significance:  as CPU usage increases, the rate of the leak accelerates.  https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/h​obbies/minetest/stats-daily.html  look at 08:40-ish, notice how the CPU usage dropped and the rate of the leak leveled off considerably at the same time.  this is when cheapie shut off an abusive mesecons contraption that uses nodebreakers, deployers, a few dozen
20:27 VanessaE tubes and chests for sorting, and a ~2.5 cycles/second clock to run it.
20:31 Fixer sp3 installed
20:33 * Megaf comes close to Shara
20:33 * Megaf purrs
20:34 Shara Hi roary one
20:34 Megaf WhoAreYou, This is what you reminds me of every single time I read your nick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4
20:35 sofar is there no way from C++ to inspect lua context memory usage?
20:35 VanessaE sofar: no.  not as far as I know
20:35 WhoAreYou Megaf: lol. :)
20:35 sofar that should really be part of the debug panel
20:35 VanessaE the best one can do, and this is insane really, is make every suspect table global, then get a count of the number of elements in the table and try to multiply that by the average length of a string therein
20:36 VanessaE (or multiply by 40 if the table only holds numerics)
20:36 tenplus1 nite folks
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20:36 VanessaE then you can at least print the table length with worldedit, e.g.   /lua print(#foo)
20:37 VanessaE sofar: wait.  debug panel?
20:37 VanessaE did I miss a feature somewhere?
20:37 sofar f6
20:37 VanessaE oh that
20:38 VanessaE if it could break the usage down by mod and maybe filename (of the lua bit that allocated the space), it would be useful
20:38 VanessaE (anything more fine than that would just be too much info to put into f6)
20:38 VanessaE I would honestly like to see something added to the profiler for this
20:39 VanessaE (as in  `/profiler dump`  and friends)
20:40 sofar collectgarbage("count") frmo lua
20:40 VanessaE nope.
20:40 VanessaE that doesn't tell anything useful
20:40 VanessaE all that does is tell how much would be erased by the GC, and that's been only ~90MB or so at a time
20:41 VanessaE I'd like to see something like,  mod:foo { table bar = 123 MB, local table baz in file meh.lua = 456 MB , ... }
20:42 VanessaE (or even just the number of entries in the table would be enough)
20:43 VanessaE I've had this memory leak on my servers for years, it's just that in the last few days it's gotten really bad
20:45 VanessaE the only way I could possibly find it at this point is a sort of server-mods-level bisect, and that would take weeks to complete.
20:46 VanessaE (and LOTS of time spent without mods critical to the feel of the server)
20:47 nore VanessaE: try to write a VM-intensive mod to see if that leads to leaks?
20:47 VanessaE I wouldn't know how
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20:47 VanessaE I've never messed with LVM.
20:47 sofar replace on_generated() with
20:48 VanessaE sofar: won't help.
20:48 sofar for i = 1,1000 do on_generated() end
20:48 VanessaE there's so much map already generated that that will almost never be executed
20:48 VanessaE or did you mean on a new map in sp?
20:48 sofar if vmanips are leaking
20:49 sofar then you can trivially show that by doing a billion vmanips on the same data
20:49 sofar so yes, insert
20:49 sofar for i = 1, 1000 do
20:49 sofar and end
20:49 sofar around the code inside on_generated()
20:49 sofar my bet is that it isn't the problem, though
20:50 sofar but, what do I know?
20:50 VanessaE more than me :)
20:50 VanessaE that said, I think technic and mesecons still use a vmanip call to force-load blocks
20:52 VanessaE yep, it does
20:53 VanessaE (mesecons/mesecons/util.lua 324-337)
20:54 sofar that should really be an API
20:55 VanessaE technic uses a combination of VMs (technic/technic/helpers.lua 49-55) and minetest.forceload* (many places)
20:55 sofar including one that force sends a block to a client, imho
20:55 sofar so teleports can be safe
20:56 nore ^ hehe yeah that one would be very needed
20:56 VanessaE indeed.
21:00 sofar minetest.send_blocks(player, pos) ?
21:00 VanessaE sounds fair
21:01 VanessaE or send_block_updates()  mayhbe
21:01 VanessaE -h
21:01 VanessaE better to send only the changes if possible
21:01 sofar you'd want to determine *which* blocks to send
21:01 sofar not just all blocks that are updated
21:02 VanessaE fair enough
21:02 sofar minetest.send_block_updates(player, pos)
21:02 sofar then
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21:09 sofar #5538
21:14 VanessaE hm.  for i = 1, 10000 do pos = [three random coords from -31k to +31k)]  minetest.get_voxel_manip(pos, pos) end
21:14 VanessaE 2.5G viortual, 985MB resident.
21:14 VanessaE -o
21:16 VanessaE not significant.  that world uses a similar amount without that mod activated.
21:16 VanessaE (it's my dreambuilder test map)
21:18 nore VanessaE: try to call that only for generated blocks
21:18 VanessaE how would that be relevant?
21:19 nore I'm not sure the VM emerges the map if the area is not loaded)
21:19 VanessaE ah.
21:35 VanessaE well I can't make it blow up in sp.
21:35 VanessaE so either it isn't broken or idk what I'm doing (both are probable)
21:35 Jordach Minetest has support for project: shroedinger's bug
21:35 VanessaE this should have worked, yes?http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24336503/
21:36 * VanessaE inserts a space into the above line as appropriate.
22:13 VanessaE meanwhile... I just be wrong here, but didn't pipeworks have an object that could merely deliver a punch (rather than digging as a nodebreaker does)?
22:13 VanessaE must*
22:17 nore VanessaE: did you try putting a stick in a nodebreaker maybe?
22:17 * nore doesn't remember
22:17 VanessaE yep, it just breaks the node.
22:18 nore ah no this doesn't work indeed
22:18 VanessaE (as does making it wield a hammer()
22:20 VanessaE I could swear there used to be a way to make a machine merely throw a punch
22:20 VanessaE but if not, good. :)
22:20 nore why good?
22:21 VanessaE because I'm coding that fix-tube-with-hammer idea
22:21 VanessaE and I wanted to prevent automated repaiurs.
22:21 VanessaE -u
22:21 nore uh
22:22 nore I would prefer explicit disabling of automated repairs
22:22 nore and a node to punch
22:23 VanessaE eh?
22:23 nore well, a puncher
22:23 nore like the nodebreaker
22:23 nore but it would be configured so that it can't repair automatically
22:23 nore (easy: in the repair code, don't allow fake players to repair)
22:23 nore BUT
22:24 VanessaE that's precisely what I indended :)
22:24 nore it will be possible to do automated repairs anyway
22:24 VanessaE how so?
22:24 nore node detector + node breaker + deployer and bob's your uncle
22:24 VanessaE oh that
22:24 VanessaE well..  maybe I'll use a can_dig ;)
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22:56 Fixer "Canonical Founder Talks About Ubuntu Desktop Switching From Unity To GNOME, And Focus On Cloud"
22:56 Fixer kek
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