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00:01 Fixer Jordach: goes good before sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQE66WA2s-A
00:09 Fixer this house is gonna suck
00:09 Fixer too square
00:10 Fixer more testing later @ strange fps results
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04:27 TommyTreasure just for kicks, before i do the lights out here.....  what is the lowest vid card for a win 32 system for client side?
04:27 TommyTreasure .15-stable
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09:57 Shara Morning all
10:03 nerzhul hi
10:05 Shara Ugh, back to server issues every day, even though nothing has been updated or changed lately
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10:11 Shara Hi lumidify
10:12 lumidify Hi Shara
10:12 Jordach meow
10:12 Shara Jordach! Meow!
10:12 lumidify woof
10:12 * Shara sighs to lumidify
10:12 Shara Meow is better, I think.
10:13 lumidify snort
10:13 Shara Hmm
10:13 lumidify https://en.wikipedia.org/w​iki/List_of_animal_sounds
10:13 Shara Okay, I don't mind snort
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10:14 Shara Good morning, Fixer
10:22 celeron55 beep
10:23 Jordach celeron55, morning
10:23 Shara hi celeron55
10:23 Jordach getting those final touches done to my base core and then github is read
10:23 Jordach +y
10:24 Shara I want to poke mods, but should really do non-MT things today
10:29 * shivajiva checks manual - single beep: all systems functioning :)
10:38 Jordach woot
10:38 Jordach on_wake jingles are working correctly
10:39 * Jordach hits the formspec button to disable it
10:39 celeron55 the button should only make them increasingly louder
10:39 * Jordach is already scarred from overly saturated Green Hill
10:40 * Shara adds celeron55 to the list of people who are probably making her not use sound in MT :P
10:47 Fixer hi
10:47 shivajiva hi Fixer
10:49 Jordach In order to make this repository private, you’ll need to upgrade your account.
10:49 Jordach ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
10:50 Shara Hehe... that's where github tries to get your money
10:50 Shara I think I still have free private repositories there though, because I'm special :)
10:51 shivajiva use gitlab for private repos :)
10:51 shivajiva it can fetch it from github and then you can delete it
10:52 shivajiva you can even sign in with your github credentials
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10:53 Shara Hi CWz
10:58 Shara shivajiva: I'm tempted to say that sounds like more effort than what I do, but then I realised I only get them for free because I study, and that's definitely too much effort :P
11:00 Jordach how do i save in git vim
11:01 celeron55 maybe esc :wq
11:01 Shara Yea, that would work I think
11:01 Shara I try to avoid landing in vim with it, when I can :)
11:02 celeron55 (i use vim every day)
11:02 celeron55 it's just that you can't really guess all the modes and stuff
11:02 lumidify I use the original vi :)
11:03 Shara I use it, just not often enough for much at all to stick in memory
11:03 lumidify Mainly so that I can tell people I write my essays in a 41 year-old editor with LaTex :P
11:03 Shara :D
11:03 celeron55 vi would be fine if it had proper undo but it doesn't have even that
11:03 celeron55 apparently back then having more than one undo steps consumed too much memory
11:04 lumidify Have you ever tried vis?
11:04 lumidify It's a lot smaller than vim, but still has a lot more features than vi.
11:04 celeron55 frankly vim could be 10x bigger and i wouldn't care, lol
11:05 lumidify I just really like having an editor that opens in a split second like vi
11:05 Shara Hmm, everything I use seems to open in less than a second :P
11:06 lumidify *and I like using old computers
11:08 Shara I don't think I'd have enough patience.
11:08 Shara And I like to run far too many things at once
11:10 lumidify Just the fact that I like using gopher should show how lightweight I like things...
11:10 Jordach ayy
11:10 Jordach finally got my git account relinked again
11:13 Jordach wait what
11:13 Jordach minetest.after didn't pause in singleplayer?
11:13 Jordach it has been doing that the whole time during my testing
11:13 Jordach wat
11:16 Calinou GitHub private repos are free if you're a student
11:16 Calinou (valid for 2 years, renewable)
11:17 Jordach mfw "On 24 September 2017, you will be charged £39 for another year of Student Prime."
11:17 Dumbeldor Yep Calinou
11:17 Jordach FeelsGoodMan
11:17 Shara Calinou: Yes, that's how I get them.
11:19 Jordach >sees website for this repo
11:19 Jordach >thinks about designing it
11:19 Shara Though I'm not sure if it's still working for me or not anymore. Trying to find out if I can check somehow
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11:26 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1
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12:48 Jordach Shara, meow
12:48 Jordach look, a repo
12:48 Shara Meow!
12:48 Shara You dare to share?
12:49 Jordach >sets technics to -30dB
12:49 Jordach >forgets MT audio was enabled
12:49 Jordach >ears rekt
12:49 Shara Ekk
12:50 Shara No time to wreck your years, Jordach! Hurry up and have working quests! :P
12:51 Jordach Shara, i'm doing each bit in sequence
12:51 * Shara is impatient!
12:51 Jordach Shara, doors, then hydrolics
12:51 Shara You should probably take me being impatient as a positive though
12:51 Shara What's the aim with hydrolics?
12:52 Shara What I see there looks interesting, but don't see much yet
12:53 Jordach Shara, it's a power system that aims to be entirely visual
12:53 Jordach no need for silly number crunching
12:53 Jordach *cough* technic
12:53 Jordach it also only flows *down*
12:53 Shara Hmm
12:53 Jordach infinately on X,z
12:53 Jordach but only downways on Y
12:53 Shara Looking at this made me want to poke mods again :(
12:53 Shara But I have assessment questions to answer :(
12:54 Jordach Shara, the machines aren't even required
12:58 Jordach everything can be done with just a furnace and thinking
12:59 Shara But thinking hurts sometimes :)
13:00 Jordach nah
13:00 Jordach i've got a classical paper notepad
13:00 Jordach and a gel pen
13:02 * Jordach implements corrected intro spawning
13:02 Jordach no more underground random spawns
13:19 * Fixer compiles
13:25 Fixer http://0.30000000000000004.com/
13:26 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/Ce8uKx8WwAAMSJD.png:large
13:27 Jordach >Lua isn't wrong
13:30 Krock >go
13:30 Krock 0.29999999999999998889776975374843459576368
13:30 Krock like what
13:31 celeron55 it's an exact number in the binary representation and just gets weird when it's converted to base 10 8)
13:31 Jordach Krock, https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/ :^)
13:32 Krock yes, Tom Scott, the red shirt youtuber made a lovely video about this theme
13:33 Krock Jordach, I think commit messages are NOT supposed to be a container for youtube links!
13:33 Jordach Krock, i ballsed it when re-doing git auth
13:33 Jordach i got vimmmmmmed
13:34 Jordach (remind me to use -e when doing it as it loads the default system text editor and not vi/m)
13:34 Jordach i've got a nice old bucket list of things to do starting here; https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1
13:34 celeron55 you can configure git to use any editor you want by default
13:34 celeron55 in various ways
13:35 Jordach celeron55, git for windows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13:35 Jordach for some reason i can git push to github without a password
13:35 celeron55 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10564/how-can​-i-set-up-an-editor-to-work-with-git-on-windows
13:35 Krock just use a 1-letter password
13:36 Krock ^ /s
13:36 Jordach eh, i figured out an alternative which works just fine
13:37 Jordach it might be that windows 10 auth system is an email (which is the same as my github one)
13:38 Jordach usually i get asked for my https login details
13:38 Jordach >There are no SSH keys with access to your account.
13:38 Jordach :thinking:
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14:44 Shara Seems like a busy day for MT today.
14:45 Shara Been a long time since I saw both RC and DL hit 20+ players at the same time
14:57 Fixer still trying to reproduce fps drop bug on earlier builds
14:59 Fixer and while doing bisect i'm left with some innocent commits it seems, weird
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16:28 Fixer chats are quite today
16:28 VanessaE zzz
16:29 Fixer everyone is dead and trees are humming
16:30 * Shara is htinking about mods
16:30 Shara thinking*
16:30 VanessaE carefil
16:30 VanessaE careful*
16:30 VanessaE lots of flammable materials around here.  too much thinking will set stuff on fire. :)
16:31 Shara I know
16:31 Shara Especially the way I make mods
16:31 Shara Mess everywhere
16:31 Fixer it is not just your mods
16:32 Fixer everything is mess
16:32 Shara But especially my mods!
16:33 VanessaE heh
16:35 Shara Thinking of messing around with grappling hooks idea for a while now. I'm guessing someone already has by this point, but kind of still want to try
16:36 Shara Climing is obviously a theme with my mods at the moment
16:36 Fixer Shara: idea for a mod: pigeon mail
16:37 Shara Hehe
16:37 Shara I think that might need someone a bit crazier than me
16:39 VanessaE pigeon mail?
16:43 Fixer VanessaE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeon_post
17:00 Krock owl post, if you're harry potter
17:00 Fixer KekPost if you are a Jordach
17:00 VanessaE Fixer: oh, you meant it literally :)
17:01 Fixer VanessaE: o_0
17:01 Sokomine VanessaE: no worry. fire's disabled on this channel :)
17:02 Sokomine Shara: hmm, yes. such a mod might exist. i think i saw one somewhere...
17:02 Sokomine Fixer: won't work. people will plug the pidgeons out of the air (birds in mt are like that), and the mail will never arrive if thee are unloaded blocks between!
17:02 Shara Sokomine: I've generally decided someone else having done a thing won't stop me when I like the idea
17:02 VanessaE Fixer: I kept trying to picture a pigeon wearing chain mail. :P
17:03 Shara I won't learn from it if I don't do it myself after all :P
17:03 Shara Sokomine: There'd probably be ways around having the bird literally fly the whole distance, but I'm still not mad enough to try :)
17:04 Sokomine VanessaE: i saw a picture somewhere with a dove with armor...seen through the crosshair of a weapon. it was a painting and looked very good
17:04 VanessaE heh
17:05 Sokomine Shara: have you seen the mobs mod with the flying creatures? air traffic can become quite tricky :-) also they sometimes fly very low and get stuck in midair in front of other blocks. easy to "catch" them in such a situation. admittedly so many birds in the air look good
17:06 Shara Image is a bit dark but...
17:06 Shara http://rc.minetest.tv/wp-content/u​ploads/2017/03/CRL_bat-900x567.png
17:06 Sokomine but...how about a pidgeon house? they could be like bees and more symbolic. that'd be far less problematic and might be funny
17:06 Shara I've even extended it with my own ridable ones :P
17:06 Shara But I'd think not to use actual mobs for posting letters
17:06 Sokomine yes, too dark for me. i see a (winged?) shadow but nothing more
17:07 Shara Giant bat
17:07 Sokomine aah :-)
17:07 Shara One of the rewards of digging deep enough is catching one to fly around on :)
17:08 Sokomine a Taubenschlag (pideon house) might really be nice to have. could have an animation of 2d birds sometimes flying in and out
17:08 Sokomine ah. i can imagine :-) might be impressive to have one in a caverealms world
17:09 Krock a pigeon slap :3
17:09 Krock (bad translator: on)
17:11 Fixer VanessaE: pigeon brute
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17:22 Shara Hi rubenwardy
17:22 lumidify joined #minetest-hub
17:22 rubenwardy hi Shara
17:22 Shara Sokomine: Yes, that was kind of what I was thinking. Then just a delay in the message showing up in the house you want it sent to
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17:44 Sokomine Shara: sounds like a nice idea if combined with a nice model
17:45 Shara Sokomine: Just find someone crazy enough to make it :)
17:45 Shara Hi kaeza, hi paramat
17:46 kaeza hello Shara
17:55 paramat mgv5 and mgv7 get mgvalleys-type caverns this evening
17:56 Shara The most awesome caverns :)
18:03 Jordach Shara, found a flamegrilled place that does takeout
18:03 Jordach their burgers and onion rings are of legend
18:03 Jordach we went for the random takeout with delivery this evening
18:04 * Shara sobs because hunger
18:09 * VanessaE offers Shara some string cheese
18:09 VanessaE (either that or some cherry poptarts.  it's what I happen to have handy at the moment :P )
18:09 Jordach are there any *cats*
18:09 Shara Either works :D
18:09 * Shara is not eating the cat
18:09 Jordach VanessaE, this burger joint delivered in about 25 minutes
18:10 VanessaE a burger joint that delivers??
18:10 VanessaE man, wish we had that here.
18:10 VanessaE all we can get is pizza
18:10 Jordach proper flame grilled too
18:10 Jordach that beef was legendary
18:11 Jordach VanessaE, come to britain; we have decent fast food
18:12 Fixer kek
18:12 Fixer "decent fast food"
18:12 VanessaE I've been tempted, actually, Jordach
18:12 Jordach we're free from the tyranny of Germany again
18:12 Jordach sfan5 right now must be salty that he's stuck with merkel
18:13 Jordach bets on AfD rn
18:13 sfan5
18:16 VanessaE Jordach: I'm not sure I'd like being yelled at from a camera/speaker on the corner though :)
18:16 Jordach VanessaE, eh if you've not got a hoodie on at least
18:17 Jordach it's not a bother for anyone
18:19 VanessaE Jordach: btw I DO like your idea with beds, to present a formspec to use to get out of bed.
18:19 VanessaE please submit a PR against homedecor :)
18:23 Jordach VanessaE, you can even chat with that text field with the enter key
18:23 VanessaE so I assumed.  nice touch.
18:24 VanessaE the dialog needs dressed up though, but I like the idea.
18:24 Fixer pingwine
18:24 Jordach VanessaE, there's a button to enable an alarm clock style wake up jingle too
18:24 * Fixer keks
18:24 Sokomine what is string cheese?
18:25 rubenwardy Sokomine, :O
18:25 rubenwardy Sokomine, https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt​/2014/11/shutterstock_219722968/lead_large.jpg
18:25 VanessaE Sokomine: mozzarella cheese, pulled into fine strings and shaped into a small stick.
18:25 Sokomine Jordach: britain and food?
18:25 * Sokomine looks a bit doubtful
18:25 rubenwardy was all the rage in secondary school
18:25 kaeza char *s = "cheese";
18:25 VanessaE and usually rather whiter than that ^^^ picture shows
18:25 VanessaE it's quite good.
18:25 Jordach Sokomine, indian, ukrainian, turkish, kebab, burgers, chips/fries
18:26 Jordach name it, we have it for delivery
18:26 * Sokomine tyrannizes Jordach a bit by...er...don't know how
18:26 Fixer we have that "cheese" if i understand it correctly
18:26 Fixer smoked version
18:26 Jordach i forgot chinese as well, Sokomine
18:27 rubenwardy thai + viet
18:27 Jordach rubenwardy, i can't list them all
18:27 rubenwardy :D
18:28 Jordach but also a classic british pub
18:28 rubenwardy + 'spons
18:28 rubenwardy *spoons
18:28 Sokomine VanessaE: looks a bit like asparagus
18:29 VanessaE not even close :P
18:29 Sokomine Jordach: ah, fine. we mostly get pizza here, although chinese and to a smaller extend other nationalities are also present. but mostly the pizza delivering services offer diffrent menus
18:30 CWz Wow *-project is quite now
18:30 Jordach is ded nao
18:30 Shara Heh, was about to say, dead not quiet
18:30 Jordach i for one welcome our c55 and Shara overlords
18:30 Shara >.>
18:30 Shara There's probably more people who need invites here.
18:30 Jordach Shara, VanessaE https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1
18:30 Krock yes, -hub for the new -project :)
18:31 * Jordach delivered, sfan5
18:31 sfan5 nice
18:31 CWz there are lurkers there. one with them is bound to tweet soon
18:32 Shara It's nice to have lots of active people here
18:32 Shara Much better than just lots of people
18:33 * CWz place a plate full of worm-centipedes on *-project.
18:33 CWz come on dinner
18:34 VanessaE ew.
18:34 CWz the worm-centipedes are bate to capture the tweetsters
18:35 CWz tweetsters taste like chicken, i want chicken.
18:35 Fixer man
18:36 Shara I think the worms just put me off everything.
18:36 Fixer MOM/DAD/etc must be banned from chat
18:36 Fixer it is irritating
18:36 CWz MOM/DAD?
18:36 Fixer every time i see this I slowly become a hitler
18:36 Jordach Fixer, lemme fix that for you
18:36 Shara Kiddy roleplay?
18:36 Fixer execute those moms/dads on the spot
18:36 Jordach Fixer, i can write a chat hander for that
18:36 Fixer Shara: no, annoying kids
18:36 Jordach as part of Solar Plains
18:36 Shara Fixer: /revoke shout is a beautiful command.
18:37 VanessaE "family roleplay" like that is strictly forbidden on my servers
18:37 VanessaE (because it irritates other users)
18:37 * Jordach considers solving the spawn problem with granting noclip and fly for 20 seconds on random spawn
18:37 Shara VanessaE: Mine too. I can't stand it.
18:37 CWz sounds like you need pump-inaction-ghotsun
18:37 Fixer family roleplay is damn annoying, get yourself a f-ing doll or smth
18:37 shivajiva it doesn't happen on mine either, it's just too weird
18:38 VanessaE Fixer: exactly.
18:38 Fixer so much this spam in chat
18:38 * Fixer is triggered
18:38 Shara I just revoke shout or ban
18:38 CWz a firearm
18:38 Jordach building towns and RP as a merchant, adventurer and miner: fine
18:38 Jordach family RP: thor's banhammer
18:38 kaeza <Jordach> Fixer, i can write a chat hander for that
18:38 VanessaE Fixer: fuck you and your triggers ;)
18:38 Shara :D
18:38 VanessaE OH that burns me up.  TRIGGERED! :P
18:38 kaeza GL;HF, see any other wordfilter in existence
18:38 Fixer i want mom
18:38 Jordach kaeza, instead of sending and revoking - just removes the message
18:38 Fixer i want dad
18:38 Fixer i want sister
18:39 Fixer i want slave
18:39 Fixer work for gold
18:39 VanessaE heh
18:39 Shara LOL! Fixer, don't make me take voice off  you :P
18:39 CWz I want a pension!
18:39 Jordach VanessaE, see my description of finer areas
18:39 shivajiva I want to be a mod
18:39 shivajiva I want admin
18:39 CWz What is keyword?
18:39 kaeza help
18:39 * Fixer runs with protector logos like an idiot
18:39 Shara Okay, shivajiva's winning in the "how to get de-voiced" stakes now :P
18:39 Jordach [F]
18:40 Jordach currently writing up the Beta Milestone
18:40 shivajiva trigger word is 'want'
18:40 Shara Auto kick on 'want', maybe?
18:40 CWz hmmm
18:40 Shara Or maybe 'give me'?
18:40 sfan5 Jordach: tell me when its stable enough to include in my builds
18:40 Jordach sfan5, see Issue #1
18:40 Jordach requires a few things at the moment
18:41 Fixer lol
18:41 Fixer or some way to hide those messages
18:41 shivajiva subtle
18:41 Jordach Fixer, or ignore clients all together
18:41 Shara The other one is: "waaah, imma baby help mee!"
18:41 Fixer need free wood
18:42 Shara pls craft torch 4 mi
18:42 Shara and so on
18:42 Fixer (huge forest around)
18:42 Fixer octacian detected
18:42 Shara Give him a poke and get him in here?
18:43 Fixer btw, can CSM be used to filter the chat?
18:43 Jordach YES
18:43 Jordach oops
18:43 VanessaE Fixer: yes.  chat6 mod.
18:43 Fixer or make it better in some way?
18:43 VanessaE https://github.com/cheapie/chat6
18:43 Fixer to just ban that mom/dad/whatever
18:43 Fixer forever
18:43 Fixer and make chat clean once again
18:43 Fixer as in 2011
18:43 VanessaE hah
18:43 VanessaE good luck with that.
18:44 Fixer VanessaE: nice, will check
18:44 CWz where is this family "RP" happening?
18:44 VanessaE CWz: everywhere :(
18:44 VanessaE (at least everywhere that an admin isn't stopping it)
18:44 Fixer NO README
18:44 Shara CWz, RC had an infection of it in the past, until I started banning lots of people.
18:44 VanessaE Fixer: chat6 makes in-game chat look like hexchat
18:44 Jordach BAN ANDROID CLIENTS
18:44 Fixer :trollface:
18:44 red-001 ban 0.0.0.0/0
18:44 VanessaE colorization, similar join/part messages, etc.
18:45 Fixer Jordach: i suggested an option for that but there is opposition to that
18:45 CWz damn the one on redkitten is getting disgusting inappropriate
18:45 red-001 you will get rid of all hackers
18:45 Jordach by thor's beard
18:45 Sokomine oh. does that family roleplay actually occour? i tought the poster took something too serious...
18:45 Jordach grab the banhammers
18:45 red-001 Sokomine, sadly yes
18:46 Shara Sokomine: Unless you actively moderate for it, you get drowned in it
18:46 Fixer yes
18:47 * Sokomine hands Fixer one gold ingot and sends him off to chop down some stacks of wood :-)
18:47 Fixer Sokomine: i already have chest full of wood after testing that half-automated apple tree farm
18:47 Fixer i'm still at my "house" on hometown trying to catch that fps drop bug
18:48 Sokomine auto kick is stupid. "i want to build a house here" - criminal offense? :-) (well, maybe on a pvp server...but even those tend to tolerate building :-))
18:48 Shara Sokomine: Auto=kick was a joke. I'd never actually do it.
18:48 Shara -*
18:49 Shara (though the temptation sometimes...)
18:49 Fixer does someone made tracers for minetest already?
18:49 red-001 run a spellchecker on all chat and kick for typos
18:49 Shara red-001: I'd only last ten seconds :D
18:49 Fixer a cheat that indicates players location by line
18:50 red-001 lol
18:50 Sokomine Shara: problem is: others might still believe that a technical solution is a solution there...where all that can help is human moderators
18:50 Fixer there are moderators, they are not always on server though
18:50 Shara Sokomine: The long term difficulty in maintaining a server, when it comes to these issues, is finding moderators who will do what you need and stcik around
18:50 kaeza I tried to report an obscene sign to the admin of hometown the other day and got auto-kicked for that
18:51 kaeza (via PM)
18:51 Sokomine oh yes. a server is constant work in that regard. can't really help that
18:51 red-001 the best technical solution is to make it easy for players to ignore chat form players of thier chossing
18:51 Fixer kaeza: thats because antiswear mod also filters PMs...
18:51 Shara I grant ban/kick privs to pretty much every mature player on my server that was around for long enough... there can still be no one there.
18:51 Sokomine kaeza: yes, that's the fun of those...bright....scripts
18:52 kaeza interestingly it seemed to also ban "f*ck" (literally)
18:53 red-001 so much form self cersorship
18:53 red-001 for*
18:54 Shara I won't use any kind of auto kick or filters on my servers
18:54 WhoAreYou joined #minetest-hub
18:54 Shara Hello WhoAreYou :)
18:55 WhoAreYou Hello all. :)
18:55 red-001 hi?
18:55 kaeza wordfilters simply don't work. it may be nice to flag messages for review or something, but there must always be a human behind the kick/ban
18:55 Sokomine hi :-) nice to see you
18:55 VanessaE hey, Who.
18:55 kaeza greetings, WhoAreYou
18:55 * Sokomine nods to kaeza and hopes that all server owners will be aware of that
18:55 Shara whoareyou = chief admin/babysitter of one of my servers.
18:55 red-001 oh
18:56 kaeza babysitter, heh
18:56 WhoAreYou Any discussions about server administrating at  the moment?
18:56 Sokomine isn't whoareyou the creator of all those subway stations?
18:56 WhoAreYou Sokomine, definetely. :)
18:57 Sokomine ah. good. so you connect all servers :-) please add a tunnel here as well
18:57 * Sokomine hands WhoAreYou a shovel
18:57 Shara :)
18:57 WhoAreYou A shovel?
18:57 Shara We officially lost count of the tunnels and stations he made on Red Cat
18:58 Sokomine some letters can be heavy
18:58 Sokomine *g*
18:58 WhoAreYou Why not a pickaxe or in ideal situation WorldEdit? :)
19:00 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/E7D54PW.png
19:02 Sokomine too powerful
19:04 WhoAreYou There too much kids on RedCat who prefer RP to creative-building nowadays. Can someone suggest a nice cure for this  disease, or atleast, a soothing medicine  for poor WhoAreYou to take it easy? :)
19:04 Jordach it's called building a proper game
19:04 Jordach the less boredom and freeform the better
19:04 Jordach but still allow for freeform gameplay
19:05 Sokomine that has been a topic already, WhoAreYou. i was surprised that this kind of roleplay actually happens in significant amounts
19:06 Sokomine small children always tend to get bored, or ask for tasks to perform, or play hide and seek, ...
19:06 Shara Well, hide and seek is difficult, when names show
19:07 kaeza names can be hidden IIRC
19:07 WhoAreYou I'm not a Minecraft player. But did RP came from it or it was formed inside Minetest already?
19:07 kaeza but... old clients :/
19:07 Shara kaeza: Yes, from .14 onwards only, I think
19:10 * Jordach on re-writing doors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fts7bj-so
19:11 Jordach i don't give a single damn about existing methods in MTH
19:11 Jordach MT_G*
19:17 Fixer there is anticurse mod, just add keywords to it
19:17 WhoAreYou And another  guestion to server admins. There is a silly form of roleplaying with "princesses, kings, quennes and e.t.c". Is it popular on every server nowadays or only on RedCat?
19:18 Shara I'm actually not sure if I saw that elsewhere.
19:19 TommyTreasure ohhhhhhhyyyyyawwwwwn, must have been super tired.  slept for almost 14 hours
19:20 tenplus1 joined #minetest-hub
19:20 tenplus1 hi folks
19:20 Amaz Hello ten :)
19:20 tenplus1 hi amaz
19:20 WhoAreYou Hey tenplus1. :)
19:20 tenplus1 hi Who :)
19:20 tenplus1 how's all ?
19:20 WhoAreYou Fine. You? :)
19:21 tenplus1 long day, glad to be home :)))  *sips coffee*
19:21 TommyTreasure coffee....  i'll be right there!
19:21 tenplus1 ehehe, hi tommy
19:21 TommyTreasure g'day everyone
19:23 Shara Hi tenplus1
19:23 tenplus1 hi Shara :)
19:23 VanessaE greetings, Tommy.
19:23 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
19:23 VanessaE hey ten
19:23 tenplus1 w00t! they fixed def.groups in doors mod :D
19:25 tenplus1 burli's new pathfinder looks quite good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​szgNmzNob70&amp;feature=youtu.be
19:27 TommyTreasure has anyone ever calculated or estimated the bandwidth, or network traffic used by minetest client playing on the averager server?
19:28 tenplus1 nope
19:28 Shara Hi there TommyTreasure
19:28 TommyTreasure g'day Shara
19:28 Shara TommyTreasure: I guess that could vary quite a bit by server
19:28 tenplus1 would be interesting to see though
19:28 TommyTreasure i know its got to be a lot lower than netflix.  lol
19:31 Shara we can hope :P
19:31 kaeza greetings, tenplus1
19:32 WhoAreYou Tenplus1, do you have a players that perform an RP with   "princesses, kings, quennes and e.t.c" on Xanadu. Or it's only misteriously popular on RedCat?
19:32 tenplus1 hi kaeza
19:33 tenplus1 what's an RP ?
19:33 kaeza Request Pull
19:33 Shara kaeza :P
19:33 WhoAreYou 11, role playing. :D
19:33 tenplus1 no-one has really asked that on server... one player did want to form his own police force at one time though :P
19:34 WhoAreYou Tenplus1, lucky you! :)
19:34 tenplus1 ehehe, they use to role play on Xanadu mk2...  pretending to be families etc... so many mom and dad's....
19:35 WhoAreYou Yeah, that's bad too... :)
19:38 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/3bca0c2b​-wstrich-learns-to-fly-thanks-to-vr.gif
19:39 * Jordach ports my own doors model to tenplus' doors
19:39 VanessaE I'm still waiting for you to port your beds code to Homedecor :)
19:39 tenplus1 heh... you like the key tool on redo Jordach ?
19:39 Jordach no
19:39 Jordach getting it's ass removed
19:40 Jordach you want protection -> areas
19:40 tenplus1 nooooooo , whyyyyyyy ?
19:44 tenplus1 Jordach: why port your doors to my mod if you're not using the key tool...  that's the only difference to default doors :P
19:47 Sokomine hmm. can't we give them mom and dads as npc? they could say "clean up your room" and the like *veg*
19:48 tenplus1 ahaha yeah, that would be so funny :D
19:49 Shara mwahaha... not allowed to go and play until they eat their veggiess and do the dishes :D
19:50 TommyTreasure ummm, Sokomine.  that's not usually what they mean with "i need  a daddy"
19:52 tenplus1 typically players need parent figures in game to give them stuff and go on quests/mine with them :D
19:53 Calinou the more you know
19:53 Calinou https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Protip_meme
19:53 Calinou apparently, "protip" comes from Doom
19:53 TommyTreasure search "i need a daddy" on just about any search engine.
19:55 TommyTreasure if it was up to me, that phrase would be an instant kick
19:55 tenplus1 lolol
19:59 Sokomine Shara: certainly :)
20:07 * Shara is playing with prototype grappling hook
20:08 tenplus1 ooh nice
20:08 * Amaz has been working on this recently: http://imgur.com/a/XxLbA
20:08 tenplus1 if mt engine had player:set_velocity() then we could swing around like spiderman
20:08 Shara Yea... this is very basic
20:08 Shara but still fun
20:08 Amaz set_velocity for players would be soooooooooooooooooo great
20:08 Shara I've set range fairly low, so you can't just go anywhere with it
20:09 tenplus1 we can already do it with entities and server/client handles it well... I dont see why players are left out
20:09 Shara Kind of jumping off things and hoping something will be in range before I splat :P
20:10 Shara Am I right that it's moveto(pos) where you can actually see player movement?
20:10 Shara Or is that something I was dreaming
20:11 tenplus1 yes, moveto you see the progression of the teleport and setpos is instant
20:11 Shara I picked the right one then :P
20:11 Shara Just hard to watch and see in singleplayer
20:12 tenplus1 an older teleport mod used moveto and all you coudl see was players zipping around the map at full speed, was so funny to watch
20:12 Shara I guess no way to actually slow the movement speed while using it?
20:12 tenplus1 teleport in small progressions prolly
20:13 Shara Hmm, sounds messy
20:13 tenplus1 yeah, but would prolly work
20:14 tenplus1 the player entity needs more control over it since it's the MAIN character on server for each player...
20:16 Shara hmm, might bug you for help when I get a bit further
20:17 tenplus1 ?
20:18 Shara well, you said it would probably work :P
20:21 tenplus1 :P
20:26 celeron55 to have player:set_velocity, some kind of a mode has to be added to the client where the client gives up control and doesn't try to just stop the player still at the first chance it gets
20:28 celeron55 (i.e. it's not that simple; not impossible though)
20:28 tenplus1 how about   player:set_velocity(vel, seconds)  <--  seconds to relinquish control
20:30 celeron55 maybe more like player:set_control_mode("normal"/"entity") or something
20:31 celeron55 needs some figuring out for sure
20:31 Shara Grappling hook with range 6 feels surprisingly well balanced
20:32 Shara To move up, you need to be able to target higher than where you aim to land, so the distance isn't crazy
20:35 tenplus1 hrm, will be worth trying :D
20:39 Jordach celeron55, dunno, player physics in BFD removed air manuverability almost entirely
20:40 celeron55 setting that kind of physics might actually do the trick already
20:41 celeron55 ...if there was the velocity setter 8)
20:41 tenplus1 unless we cheat somehow by attacking a player to a tiny entity and using physics on that
20:41 tenplus1 *attaching
20:41 celeron55 that'd be easy
20:42 tenplus1 that way knockback, hook control etc would be easier
20:42 * tenplus1 has parachute already on Xanadu doing just htat
20:43 celeron55 is there any downside to doing that? it's basically the same thing as switching off player control
20:43 tenplus1 knockback only lasts a second or so, so after being flung across the land you gain control once it's over
20:44 tenplus1 and parachute keeps going until land is hit, then disappears and player control back
20:44 Jordach what sort of parachute
20:45 Jordach paratrooper or modern parawing
20:45 tenplus1 it's a tool item, while falling you use to open, then you float down until hit ground... you get 4 uses then it breaks :D  is fun tho
20:45 tenplus1 might add controls to float in directions tho so player can aim
20:45 tenplus1 was really to save ppl from building and falling to their doon
20:45 tenplus1 *doom
20:46 tenplus1 k, I sleep now :) nite all
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21:39 paramat new sneak works differently and so does new sneak ladder and any 2-node jump we might code. sneak behaviour identical to before is very unlikely, however, worlds have been built that depend on the specific previous behaviour. so it seems a certain solution i proposed is needed
21:41 sfan5 why are we bound by endless backwards compat here
21:46 TommyTreasure paramat, sfan5,  not intended to be criticism.  some server admins have spent countless hours designing their worlds with the past use of the sneak glitch.  personally, i have spent all of february working on a 'test/puzzle' spawn routine to determine custom 'hometead' areas for qualifying players.  this change has made it very difficult to rework my previous setup.
21:46 TommyTreasure however, i do wholeheartedly agree on removing the shift to stop fall damage
21:48 TommyTreasure case in point.  a newplayer enters the game, falls into a generated and exposed dungeon.  can't get out.  stuck for life.
21:49 sfan5 that's one of the worse reasons for adding a double jump glitch
21:49 TommyTreasure could be, but just one reason
21:50 Fixer TommyTreasure: /spawn
21:51 TommyTreasure Fixer, i agree, but some admins limit privs on new players too.  again, not complaining, but it does put quite a bit of extra work on admins to make sure privs are properly set for new players
21:52 TommyTreasure i do agree that the game is in need of eliminating some of the issues, but also hope that a config option will help with some of it
21:53 TommyTreasure also, please realize that i probably the only 'non-coding' admin on channel
21:53 TommyTreasure i can only give my opinions as a server admin
21:55 TommyTreasure eliminating - resolving
22:00 TommyTreasure and, for the record.  my server is running the latest official .15-dev.
22:03 TommyTreasure 0.4.15-dev-cc1ff26 to be more precise
22:10 Shara There are a lot of things in many worlds that break depending on how much of the old sneak behaviour is lost
22:10 paramat my proposal was to add a setting to switch between old move code and new, while continuing to work on and improve new move code. however i'm not insisting we do this and it may be unpopular with devs. personally i'm not too bothered, but then i never used sneak
22:11 Jordach paramat, there's a fine line between seeing it through a players eyes and a developers eyes
22:11 Jordach i happen to see both sides of the argument
22:11 Shara paramat: Persoanlly I'd love that, though I understand some of the devs probably won't agree to it
22:12 paramat sorry sfan i know you don't like this proposal :]
22:12 Shara I can honestly see people making a patch to just re-add old behaviour if there is no official way to do it, but that gets even more messy and awkward
22:13 * Sokomine nods to shara
22:13 Shara The thing that really bothers me as well, is that this is all the client, but it's really server owners that should be deciding how they want it on their server
22:14 Jordach adoorable
22:14 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/9Y6aOgN.png
22:15 TommyTreasure Shara, i think that was the point i was failing to make
22:16 shivajiva I'm torn between the fact sneaking out of drop on die needed fixing and what it breaks in my server with the parkour elements, finding myself reading the discussion again on github looking for a sensible perspective
22:16 TommyTreasure and, may i add that not all server owners understood this, and caused me to make some very bad decisions in the past 2 weeks
22:16 paramat so my proposal would essentially be: choose old behaviour along with all the associated bugs, or choose new behaviour where we provide non-identical optional replacements for sneak ladder (and maybe also sneak jump if possible)
22:16 Sokomine shivajiva: *does* it need fixing?
22:17 Jordach paramat, there is no solution to this problem
22:17 Shara I'd love to get the fall damage bug fixed, I really would, but it's just not worth any of the other issues to me
22:17 Jordach the only way to really deal with it is to do it when 0.5 gets released
22:17 paramat yes all corresponding settings should be server-side
22:17 Jordach we expect 0.x changes to break entirely
22:18 Jordach but not 0.4.x ones
22:18 Shara Jordach: Even then, not great to break so many things
22:18 Jordach Shara, given that 0.5 is eta +inf away
22:18 Jordach we have time to do a proper conversation about it
22:18 Shara Is it really?
22:18 Jordach not just feelings and cherry picked servers
22:19 Jordach i'd rather weigh both sides
22:19 Shara I'm a bit worried all the view points were expressed by now, and those one one side of the other are mostly set in their opinions.
22:19 Shara on one*
22:19 Jordach and then consider both pros and cons
22:19 Shara or*
22:19 Jordach any cons and pros that match another are canceled out
22:19 Jordach giving us a list of things that are: before and after
22:20 Shara Yes, but people don't even agree on the pros and cons.
22:20 paramat Jordach the old code could be dropped far in the future but i'm considering now
22:20 Jordach paramat, save it for a later date
22:20 rubenwardy Jordach: the next release will be 0.5
22:20 Shara This is actually game breaking enough to me that I won't update my client (and if it goes server side, my servers) again
22:20 Jordach rubenwardy, don't pull my heart
22:20 rubenwardy we have client side scripting
22:20 rubenwardy and most core devs agree
22:21 Shara Even if it means I simply run outdated servers until such a time as no players come to them
22:21 rubenwardy Just as how 0.4 was released for server side
22:21 rubenwardy 0.5 will be for client side
22:21 paramat Jordach you're not making much sense :]
22:21 Jordach paramat, consider both arguments
22:21 paramat yes 0.5 is very soon
22:21 shivajiva I'd like to hear a perspective of why it doesn't Sokomine for balance
22:21 nerzhul paramat, when ?
22:21 Jordach 0.6 eta +inf+inf
22:22 Jordach i'd consider 0.6 to be a CAO/SAO focused upgrade
22:22 nerzhul each time i asked for a release i have no response and there is no issue on github about this :)
22:22 Jordach per player velocity
22:22 Sokomine paramat: good to hear that 0.5 is on the horizon. the game has come a long way and deserves a higher number now and then
22:22 Shara Got to agree with Sokomine there :)
22:22 paramat nerzhul next release is around june
22:23 nerzhul paramat, and it will be 0.5 ? last time we discussed it was 0.4.16 last 0.4.X release with CSM disabled ?
22:23 nerzhul maybe version changes due to CSM more advanced as we wanted , no ?
22:23 paramat seeing CSM, new default mapgen, i think we can go 0.5 in next or release after
22:24 nerzhul okay then
22:24 paramat maybe after 0.4.16
22:24 nerzhul i need to rewrok the chat protocol for this release to have a proper protocol adapted to CSM
22:24 Sokomine shivajiva: i think that the sneak glitch(es) are unexpected for new players and ought to be considered a bug as such. yet they existed for a long time and have been part of the game; a lot has been built around. changing the behaviour does provide considerable problems. so, what do we gain with fixing this bug? it gets more realistic. in that world where we carry tons of materials in our pockets
22:24 nerzhul i'm okay for 0.5 version for june paramat , see you soon, i shouldo go
22:25 paramat it seems CSm will still be very young in june so 0.5 for after 0.4.16?
22:25 Jordach paramat, nah
22:25 Jordach 0.4.17 - a years end
22:25 nerzhul paramat, young but it seems many users are working on it, and atm it's more advanced than i hoped :)
22:26 nerzhul the core part is stable, API are added , we need a mod store for end users (rubenwardy ?)
22:26 Sokomine and that's not all. very few servers actually focus on the survival aspect. some - not all! - have mobs. some are even creative (=unlimited materials). some have hunger, some not. some even allow pvp. and while on most servers dying from falling down is something that can happen, not terribly much is lost if a player survives and just continues his work
22:26 Jordach nerzhul, consider the following
22:26 nerzhul i consider my bed :)
22:26 Jordach most of MT's multiplayer traffic are mobile clients
22:26 Shara Sokomine pretty much just summed up my exact thoughts.
22:27 Jordach who have no interest in playing singleplayer
22:27 paramat lol
22:27 nerzhul Jordach, i know, but CSM is here, and mobile users never read version, they just want game work
22:27 Sokomine mod store also sounds good. or promote at least krocks mod search. that's very useful
22:27 Shara Also, I never had a player or server owner tell me they'll leave the game if it doesn't get 'fixed'. I've had a few telling me they will over the fix (one who actually did leave so far)
22:28 Jordach nerzhul, my point is: they want MP, we want a game engine to give them MP
22:28 nerzhul Jordach, i don't see why a version number can change this
22:28 paramat anyway, i can't see any big problem in providing old code / new code choice for the mid-term future, and i feel we should seriously consider it before next release
22:28 Jordach nerzhul, it's not the version number: it's the content
22:28 Sokomine i started a project to sort all mods once in the past and to group them according to what they contain. it was too much and i eventually gave up
22:28 nerzhul Jordach, if you talk about sneak i don't talk about this
22:28 Jordach it's not sneak
22:28 Jordach it's the whole shebang
22:29 nerzhul Jordach, please discuss with me about this tomorrow, i'm tired and i need to go to bed, see you :)
22:29 Jordach MT is the *first* game engine to not need installing the whole media on every players device
22:29 Jordach it is requested and then cached and freed up when no longer needed
22:29 nerzhul this is wrong, world of warcraft uses streaming content
22:29 Jordach nerzhul, well, WoW is a different case
22:29 Jordach it's a monolithic game
22:30 Jordach not one that is endlessly re-configurable
22:30 nerzhul and you are wrong, because the mod community on WoW is very very advanced, without any mod server side heh :)
22:30 nerzhul see you alter
22:30 nerzhul later*
22:30 red-001 minetest is definatly not the first game to auto-download assets
22:30 Jordach gmod is close, but doesn't have real time worldediting ;)
22:30 Sokomine paramat: your solution sounds very good, at least for me. give the player the choice which version he/she wants
22:30 red-001 all source engine games do it
22:30 Jordach red-001, still not a realtime map editor
22:31 Shara paramat: would be my favoured solution as well.
22:31 Jordach tesseract is a FPS with that, but has the problem of being a FPS
22:31 Jordach MT is neither
22:32 red-001 ?
22:32 * red-001 re-reads log
22:32 Jordach red-001, every game that has a mobile port is dumbed down with IAPs or incompatible with the main game
22:32 kaeza lel https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=3&amp;t=17153#p261557
22:33 Jordach MT has the option of being both a game engine that works across both platforms of a PC/lappy or phone/tablet
22:33 shivajiva paramat: It's messy for dev but I agree with you
22:34 * Shara hides away again for a while
22:34 paramat the advantage of my proposal is that the pressure is off new code to have identical replacements, this frees it up to improve new basic sneak behaviour without the constraints of providing identical replacements
22:35 paramat it's just a bit messy codewise
22:36 red-001 minetest isn't really lacking in messy code
22:36 shivajiva it's a good compromise given so much has been built on it
22:38 rubenwardy lol
22:38 shivajiva hopefully it will mature enough to translate and move on
22:38 rubenwardy I've been working on the clientlauncher/game/input code today
22:38 rubenwardy god wow
22:39 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5506
22:40 red-001 I know that some people see it as a bug but a lot of players that know about it see it as an undocumented feature instead
22:41 shivajiva shouldn't ultimately stop progress though or we get weighted down in legacy
22:44 paramat it will not stop progress, it would be a legacy option default disabled
22:44 paramat and probably not forever
22:45 paramat it just buys time while we slowly improve new move code
22:45 paramat while keeping players happy
22:45 shivajiva perfectly acceptable
22:46 shivajiva I wish sfan5 would have stayed to broaden the perspective
22:46 paramat i'll open an issue for the idea sometime
22:48 shivajiva :)
22:53 shivajiva xbox controller support, nice
23:17 rubenwardy "This server has experienced an internal error. You will now be disconnected"
23:29 Jordach fack
23:31 Jordach uploading fix and pushed to HEAD
23:31 Jordach rubenwardy, see https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1
23:32 Jordach check milestones as well
23:33 Jordach server reloaded
23:35 Jordach i did make a pleb bug
23:35 Jordach during the conversion to minetest.after recursion
23:35 Jordach hud has a hp restore issue
23:36 Jordach also; blob:http://imgur.com/1da7b0d0-b​68f-4da9-809d-c54e140070b0
23:36 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/19BQPhU.png
23:36 Jordach REEEE
23:36 Jordach rubenwardy, ^

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