Time  Nick          Message
00:03 benrob0329    hello
00:03 Shara         Hi benrob
01:05 Shara         Hi paramat
01:38 * shivajiva   starts installing the april fools changes
01:39 shivajiva     half size with shifted eye offset and tiny tools :)
01:41 paramat       lol
01:41 shivajiva     wonder if they will notice
01:43 Shara         shivajiva: you'll have to let us know
01:43 Shara         H cheapie
01:43 cheapie       Hi.
01:51 Shara         Okay, as I clearly can't even spell 'hi' anymore, I think it's time to sleep. :)
01:51 Shara         Good night all
01:52 shivajiva     Gn Shara
01:53 rubenwardy    night!
01:53 rubenwardy    And good night to everyone else, I'm off as well
01:55 Calinou       night too
02:36 Sokomine      oh. wonder if there are any nice around
03:18 paramat       mice?
03:39 TommyTreasure dice?
03:42 benrob0329    Concise?
03:42 TommyTreasure that's more than 4 letters
03:42 benrob0329    it still rhymes
03:42 TommyTreasure :)
05:06 sofar         donbatman hasn't been around in ages :/
05:07 sofar         I'm fixing up mydoors a bit, but, boy, it needs some code love
07:06 nerzhul       hi!
07:14 red-001       hi
08:19 Calinou       https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/62qg4l/the_best_pony_on_rplace/
08:20 Calinou       someone made Rainbow Dash on /r/place, so why not a Minetest logo
08:20 Calinou       ;)
08:23 Calinou       http://dengine.net/
08:23 Calinou       nice, new website
10:11 tenplus1      :P hi folks
10:12 tenplus1      hi lumidify
10:15 shivajiva     Hello everyone :)
10:15 TommyTreasure howdy
10:15 tenplus1      hi shiva, hi tommy
10:16 shivajiva     I feel like crap today :/
10:16 tenplus1      whassup /
10:16 TommyTreasure sorry to hear
10:17 shivajiva     I seem to regularly get dehydrated on a friday, it's like I forget to drink
10:17 shivajiva     makes Saturday feel horrible
10:18 tenplus1      erk, too occupied to drink...
10:18 TommyTreasure << gonna drink like a fish on monday.  .....hic
10:18 tenplus1      :P
10:18 shivajiva     yea it's that end of the week rush to get things finished
10:18 * tenplus1    has a jug of water nearby just incase
10:19 shivajiva     I think that's what I need to do, get a jug by me, good idea
10:21 tenplus1      Q. didn't I have op.s yesterday so I could voice uers ?
10:22 shivajiva     yes you did
10:22 * tenplus1    glares at the bot
10:23 shivajiva     chanserv isn't being friendly it seems
10:23 * tenplus1    glares at chanserv as well
10:27 * celeron55   picks up doughnut from under the chair
10:27 tenplus1      w00t!  hi celeron55
10:28 shivajiva     lol that's tens doughnut I believe :)
10:28 * tenplus1    wonders why paramat is so set on making rails far to easy to obtain
10:28 Shara         Hi everyone
10:28 shivajiva     Hi celeron
10:28 * tenplus1    noms jelly filled donut.....  ish ok
10:28 tenplus1      hi shara
10:28 shivajiva     morning Shara
10:28 celeron55     hi 8)
10:29 Shara         Yay, weekend :)
10:29 tenplus1      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1669
10:29 lumidify      Hi everyone (now that I can talk)
10:29 TommyTreasure weekend?  can you explain why weekends are 30 days apart?
10:29 Shara         Sorry aboout that lumidify
10:29 shivajiva     my plan to set visual scale to half on player join failed :/
10:29 lumidify      np :)
10:30 Shara         Will autovoice you in a sec
10:30 shivajiva     Hi lumidify :)
10:30 Shara         TommyTreasure: I thought it was 40
10:30 lumidify      Hi shivajiva :)
10:30 TommyTreasure sorry it was a very long month last week
10:30 tenplus1      lol
10:30 red-001       wow I almost got my code to work without an issue on the first try
10:31 tenplus1      hi red
10:31 red-001       hi tenplus1
10:31 shivajiva     heh your not fooling us this morning red :P
10:31 red-001       lol
10:32 red-001       don't worry I wasted a good few minutes finding the issue
10:32 tenplus1      k, finished!!!  hedgehogs are now rideable so long as you can tame 2 and place a harness on them
10:32 Shara         Ten... wait, what??
10:32 shivajiva     oml
10:32 * Shara       checks date and sighs
10:32 tenplus1      o.O
10:33 tenplus1      :P
10:33 Shara         :P
10:33 red-001       finnaly I can make my client create particle spawners
10:33 shivajiva     without the harness they prickle yer bum
10:33 TommyTreasure friday the 13th falls on a thursday this month
10:33 tenplus1      yup, need good armor for that ride
10:34 shivajiva     were safe then Tommy :)
10:34 shivajiva     minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player)
10:34 shivajiva     player:set_properties({visual_size={x=0.5, y=0.5}})
10:34 shivajiva     player:set_eye_offset({x=0,y=-0.5,z=0}, {x=0, y=-0.5, z=0})
10:34 shivajiva     end)
10:34 shivajiva     why doesn't that work?
10:35 tenplus1      cause player.lua takes over and resets the scale and stats for players
10:35 shivajiva     delay reqd
10:36 shivajiva     at 3:30am it seemed reasonable :P
10:39 shivajiva     note to self: set pranks up well in advance
10:40 tenplus1      :P
10:41 shivajiva     so about level 4
10:41 tenplus1      Q. the rail crafts, should it return as much as 20 rails ???
10:42 shivajiva     how many do you think it should yield and why
10:43 tenplus1      personally I feel that making it too easy to obtain rails will take away any challenge and fun involved... so 12 should be more than enough
10:43 shivajiva     you make a good point
10:45 tenplus1      check my recipes at bottom of post: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1669 whaddya think
10:45 Shara         I did think about inverting everything on DL for the day, so it's daylight that hurt
10:45 Shara         hurts*
10:45 Shara         But I got tied up with other things :)
10:46 tenplus1      was gonna replace all the lucky blocks with super lucky blocks to annoy players
10:46 Shara         :D
10:46 Shara         Thatw ould have been evil
10:46 tenplus1      ehehehe
10:47 shivajiva     it's quite hard to balance the effort reqd gathering the resources to the yield, running a skyblock server you lose sight of the effort
10:48 tenplus1      hows your level 4 coming along ?
10:49 paramat       rail recipe: it's for more generous vertical travel in MT, to reduce reliance on sneak ladders
10:49 shivajiva     I wanted an example from you so I can create a set
10:49 shivajiva     no point doing something you are not happy with 11
10:50 tenplus1      lol, players woulda liked the sneak ladders better, but if it helps
10:50 tenplus1      shivajiva: not up to me :) it's up to robbie... ehe
10:51 Shara         paramat: I'm torn on rails in general. I didn't allow carts on my Survival at all because on my Creative players made such a mess with them, and made me hate the things :P
10:52 shivajiva     tenplus1: who's relying on us to make it workable, he's not keen to give input on that part it seems
10:52 Shara         I decided my survival players can have mobs to ride instead for transport
10:52 tenplus1      and giving too many rails will make it messier still, they wont hold back on placing rails...  which is why limiting the number was good
10:52 Shara         (though sadly I 'suspect' Ten is joking about hedgehog rollerskates option :P)
10:53 Shara         The only time I really like seeing rail tracks in game is when it ends up looking like this: http://rc.minetest.tv/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/rafstrain.png
10:53 tenplus1      ooh, nice build
10:54 Shara         Yes, he was an amazing builder
10:55 TommyTreasure was?
10:55 Shara         Didn't see him in a while
10:55 shivajiva     gfjh, dotti and coffeecrafter built some really nice stations on skyblocks, I have a few km of track
10:56 TommyTreasure ah, too bad its static
10:56 tenplus1      could always use meshvehicles and make it run
10:56 Shara         I was too scared to try a moving version of such a big vehicle
10:56 paramat       it's similar to more generous ladder recipes, faster climb speed. also to discourage the use of the unreasonably fast sneak ladder
10:56 Shara         I do have flyable hot air balloons there
10:56 tenplus1      ooh nice... I like hot air balloons
10:57 Shara         paramat: I'm not sure if the speed specifically is what people worry about losing, now I think about it
10:57 TommyTreasure i remember seeing a sort of promo page for m/t.  said something like 'pilot your submarine and fly your helicopter'
10:57 paramat       the best example of something too cheap that takes away challenge is the sneak ladder
10:57 Shara         paramat: also, I found shivajiva's server has a maze area off from the main hub, and mazes I looked at will now be broken. They depend on you being able to sneak over a single node gap
10:57 tenplus1      the helicopter mod was amazing at the time, then Clip added it and forgot to disable missles... poor spawn area!
10:58 Shara         I hadn't thought the single node sneaking really mattered before
10:58 TommyTreasure omg!  must have been a blast...  pun intended
10:58 tenplus1      yeah, and I miss sneaking across a ledge
10:58 tenplus1      many parkour maps will be broken
10:58 tenplus1      lol tommy
10:58 shivajiva     paramat, feel free to play the 3d maze in skyblock with pre and post clients to see what Shara means
10:59 Shara         There's just too much that has been build with the old behaviour in mind
10:59 tenplus1      is that the huge library maze ?
10:59 Shara         No, library maze is RC (you're still the only confirm victor there, Ten :P)
10:59 tenplus1      yeah, fixing the sneak falling glitch was good, but it broke a feature players like
10:59 Shara         confirmed*
10:59 tenplus1      really ? no way...
10:59 shivajiva     heh I heard about your victory 11, well done
11:00 Shara         Yea, that maze is sort of.... I don't know.
11:00 tenplus1      hard as hell... confusing :P
11:00 Shara         Mew was impressed anyone got through
11:00 TommyTreasure and it kind of killed most of the idea on the world i was just starting to create
11:00 tenplus1      you need to keep a close eye on player coords (f5) to get through it
11:00 Shara         TommyTreasure: It also killed my secret rooms area on Xanadu, but I'm not complaining since that replied ont he noclip part, so really was a bug :P
11:01 Shara         relied on the*
11:01 Shara         I think everyone can agree fall damage avoidance and nocliping through nodes above you needed to go
11:01 Shara         It's just about whether there's a way to readd the other things
11:01 paramat       sneak over a single node gap? which bug in #5438 is that?
11:01 TommyTreasure well, i never knew of a noclip glitch, so i'm safe on that one
11:02 shivajiva     parkour section of my gamehub will be gone when the changes proliferate to android
11:02 paramat       sneaking across a ledge seems to be possible now, i tested
11:03 Shara         shivajiva: that's not good :(
11:03 tenplus1      hi ruben
11:03 Shara         Hi rubenwardy
11:03 * tenplus1    tests sneaking
11:03 celeron55     i added some stuff i knew and managed to gather into http://hub.minetest.net/regulars
11:04 rubenwardy    nice site design
11:04 celeron55     feel free to correct me
11:04 shivajiva     keys open up a few game ideas :)
11:04 Shara         Tommy is a server owner and video maker
11:04 shivajiva     you can tag me as a server owner
11:05 Shara         Ten's... probably everything going other than a dev :P
11:05 TommyTreasure and player
11:05 celeron55     Shara: any links for TommyTreasure?
11:05 paramat       yeah tenplus is a server admin
11:06 tenplus1      k, you can fall ONTO a ledge and use sneak to stick ther, but you cannot walk a length of ledges next to one another, it wont let you off that 1 block ledge
11:06 Shara         TommyTreasure: did your server have a site or forum page?
11:06 TommyTreasure not yet.  but it will be at ntyc.net/tommytreasure
11:06 Shara         I think it's the decreaded sneak distance that changed ledge sneaking, but not sure
11:06 tenplus1      Shara: ?? huh
11:07 * Shara       pokes Ten
11:07 paramat       what build are you testing? i tested latest
11:07 paramat       current master
11:07 Shara         You run a server, write mods, contributed to both MT and MTG yes?
11:07 tenplus1      am using latest also
11:07 tenplus1      I can land on a ledge but not leave the ledge, nor jump
11:07 Shara         paramat: Still no good way to compile here. I might try and do something about that this weekend if I have time
11:07 * tenplus1    checks if a new one is out already
11:08 tenplus1      nup, using the one on 31st
11:08 paramat       hmm ok could you add a screenshot to explain in the issue?
11:08 tenplus1      I already did paramat
11:08 paramat       i managed to sneak along a 1-node high ledge
11:09 shivajiva     c55 your tag should be 'Chief of Everything'
11:09 tenplus1      https://camo.githubusercontent.com/c132b89c7c9b7480ef84c6506a6238b01e0e586f/687474703a2f2f6936332e74696e797069632e636f6d2f786466746f6c2e6a7067
11:10 tenplus1      if I fall from the top row of stone and hold sneak to land on the next row down... I can only move left and right as far as the node I'm on... not along the whole ledge
11:10 rubenwardy    Read that as chef
11:10 paramat       weird, i'll retest
11:10 rubenwardy    hmmmmm, Minetest-burgers
11:10 shivajiva     lol
11:11 * tenplus1    has mt-burgers in Xanadu, fries n pizza too :P
11:11 Shara         Annnnnnd... hungry again :)
11:11 tenplus1      ehehe
11:11 * shivajiva   sneaks off to immerse in a bipolar fluid
11:13 tenplus1      ooh, Xanadu has been up for 42 hours :))))))
11:13 Shara         Is that a new record?
11:15 tenplus1      without restart or weird serialize.h bug, yes
11:15 paramat       odd, works for me, but yes you can't jump off it
11:15 TommyTreasure ok, super rush job, plaint text page at link ntyc.net/tommytreasure
11:15 tenplus1      replaced lucky blocks with super lucky blocks to troll everyone at arena :D
11:17 TommyTreasure btw, server host machine going offline in 2 hours.  os upgrade, and i need a bit of time to finish the backups in single user mode.
11:17 tenplus1      ooh, what os you updating
11:17 TommyTreasure slackware 14.1/32 to slackware 14.2/64
11:17 tenplus1      nice
11:17 Shara         paramat: any update on whether you can get the 'ledge pulling' to work if the default jump height is 2 instead of 1?
11:18 * tenplus1    updated main Os to Lubuntu 17.04 beta (final) and it's pretty good
11:18 Shara         That's still my biggest issue (though I know it won't be for some other people)
11:18 paramat       Shara "They depend on you being able to sneak over a single node gap" which issue in 5438 is that? if it's a new one perhaps you could add it?
11:18 TommyTreasure this is a production server for company inet stuff too. been on slack since '98
11:18 tenplus1      sticking to what they are comfortable with :) gotcha
11:18 Shara         paramat: Someone else did raise it, but it wasn't in my issues. I'll check
11:19 TommyTreasure more like what i'm comfortable with.  job security.  lol
11:19 tenplus1      lol
11:19 TommyTreasure ubuntu translated:  slackware is too hard
11:20 paramat       pull up with altered jump height will be difficult, i don't see much of an issue, if a mod alters jump height already it can increase it to compensate
11:20 tenplus1      not so much jump height I worry about, it's sneaking horizontally across the ledge I cannot do once I'm on it
11:20 Shara         paramat: But increase it how? The point is that you should get +1 jump height in that specific situation
11:20 TommyTreasure crystal boots still going to have the same properties with new release?
11:21 tenplus1      crystal boots jump 2 blocks high
11:21 tenplus1      or is it 3... testing
11:21 Shara         If this only works when a player has 1 jump height, it's going to create ionconsistent controls on my server for different players
11:21 Shara         tenplus1: It's 2
11:21 Shara         Pretty sure
11:21 Shara         But then with boost over a ledge you should get 3
11:22 Shara         From what I understand of paramat's code for this so far, it would take 1 to 2, but 2 as default would then not get you to the 3 over a ledge
11:22 tenplus1      yup, 2...  whereas winged mese boots lets you jump 5 high and float down :D
11:22 paramat       .. however, maybe i'll think up a new method which will make that work
11:22 Shara         So on both DL and Xanadu, players using this would get two different sets of controls depending on equipment
11:23 TommyTreasure do you have ocean front property for sale in colorado?
11:23 Shara         paramat: if there is any way we can help with that, please let us know
11:24 paramat       "The point is that you should get +1 jump height in that specific situation" i agree, ideally, i'll think on it
11:24 Shara         :)
11:24 TommyTreasure tenplus1, i installed your version of hbhudbars.  with admin armor, hunger isn't being overridded.  am i missing something?
11:25 tenplus1      ooh, my version is kinda out of date :P wuzzy has a brand new version already
11:25 tenplus1      am using Stamina mod a lot now...  easier hunger feature
11:25 tenplus1      tps skyblock uses it too... has particle effects for noms
11:26 TommyTreasure i was using the hud_hunger, but the bars kept getting confused.  hbhudbars seems to work well
11:27 tenplus1      tommy, how do you mean hunger isnt being overwritten , in what way ?
11:28 TommyTreasure didn't mean overwritten, over ride.  before i toasted my system, admin armor kept you alive with 0 hunger and 0 hp.  now hunger will kill
11:29 tenplus1      is it full set of admin armor ?
11:29 tenplus1      or just a piece ?
11:29 TommyTreasure this could all be moot.  next week i'm going through each mod, and making sure its up to date.  plus, m/t will be recompiled to match the 64 bit ox
11:29 TommyTreasure full set
11:29 TommyTreasure ox = os
11:30 tenplus1      weird, works ok here... am only wearing boots and I cannot die of hunger
11:31 TommyTreasure like i said, some mods were installed when i first started building the game.  last oct.  but i think i have the latest version of 3d_armor, and i got hbhunger last week
11:31 tenplus1      ooh, latest version of 3d_armor has been changed, has an api now... am using the previous version... might have something to do with that
11:32 TommyTreasure makes sense
11:32 TommyTreasure makes it tough when doing pre game builds
11:34 TommyTreasure oh, and another -dev question.  is spawn still limited to -72 nodes below ?
11:34 tenplus1      I basically live off golden apples on Xanadu :P
11:34 tenplus1      static_spawnpoint = 0,-1000,0  <-- whatever u like
11:34 tenplus1      add to minetest.conf
11:35 TommyTreasure i've done that, and the only way i've gotten it to work was by using cheapie's newplayer mod
11:35 TommyTreasure my new build spawns in a cave realm at -25k
11:36 TommyTreasure new players have to pass a series of puzzles and tests to be assigned '
11:36 TommyTreasure to be assigned 'explore areas'.
11:36 nerzhul       seems i lost op too :)
11:37 Shara         nerzhul and tenplus1, happy to give you both +O if you want it
11:37 tenplus1      :P
11:37 Shara         I'll take that as a yes for Ten :P
11:38 TommyTreasure but, without the sneak feature, i have to rethink and redesign a lot of my puzzles
11:38 nerzhul       ty
11:38 tenplus1      tommy, static_spawnpoing = 0,-1000,0    works fine... I spawned underground
11:38 * Shara       takes it as two yeses :P
11:39 TommyTreasure hmmmmm, could have been because of my improperly installed system too
11:39 tenplus1      ooh, who gave me ops already today ?
11:39 TommyTreasure << happy with his blue hat
11:40 tenplus1      :P
11:40 tenplus1      ooh, just thought of an adventure map idea :P
11:40 TommyTreasure want to collaborate?
11:41 Shara         I really want to go back to working on The Box again
11:41 tenplus1      The Box?
11:41 Shara         Didn't you ever test the intro level of it Ten?
11:41 tenplus1      no, what is it ?
11:41 Shara         It was one of my original servers, but invite only
11:41 tenplus1      didnt see it
11:42 Shara         I was looking at using MT as a sort of adventure/story telling device with puzzles and choices along the way
11:42 tenplus1      sounds good :)
11:42 Shara         I know shivajiva tested a really early part, and so did LazyJ way back
11:44 Shara         Just everyone showing more interest in these adventure type maps has really made me want to get back to it
11:45 TommyTreasure tenplus1, i'll try to touch base with you later next week.  after this week, and especially if things go well at the host machine today, i'm going to spend tomorrow with last minute config, and monday is dedicated to a bottle of cheap wine, and a few good movies.
11:45 tenplus1      ehehe, good reward
11:46 tenplus1      basic_machines is a good mov for adventure maps
11:46 tenplus1      *mod.......  it can detect and move and punch things in response to doing something... dropping an item etc
11:46 tenplus1      and saves having to huge heavy mesecons/tecnnic
11:47 TommyTreasure oooooh!  that's what i'm looking for
11:47 Shara         I needed help with the mods, and was going to work with Don, but he started being pretty rare at that point.
11:47 tenplus1      6 specific blocks, 1 for detection, another for interaction etc. power
11:47 tenplus1      hope Don's ok... hardly see him and when I do he's quiet
11:47 TommyTreasure like opening a protected locked door after task accomplishment?
11:47 Shara         Yea, he did show up again for a little while, but then was gone once more
11:47 tenplus1      exactly tommy...
11:49 TommyTreasure btw, my real name is paul.  tommy is just the character i use for my soon to come vid tutorial series
11:49 tenplus1      :P
11:49 tenplus1      what kinda tutorial ?
11:50 TommyTreasure m/t for absolute beginners, with instructions on to to do things, without assuming you already know how to do things.
11:50 TommyTreasure lol
11:50 TommyTreasure but on a comical nature
11:50 tenplus1      sounds good :D
11:51 TommyTreasure well, at least i think they're funny.  lol
11:51 * tenplus1    thinks of making a specific detection/interaction block just for adventure maps
11:52 TommyTreasure my idea wasn't really an adventure map, but a way for players to get assigned to a biome in a community, or different biomes for privacy and their own adventure
11:53 Shara         tenplus1: I want a detector that I can use to adjust a player's respawn point
11:53 tenplus1      spawning players in specific biomes would be a nice start
11:53 TommyTreasure basically, to keep the noobs in one map area, and serious players in other, far from spawn, areas
11:53 tenplus1      shara, there's a mod available... a crystal you walk by or punch to set respawn
11:53 Shara         So if they pass a certain area, and fail it, they'd just go back to the start of that area
11:53 tenplus1      cant remember the name now
11:53 Shara         Hmm
11:53 TommyTreasure each passed level would be kind of like 'let's make a deal'.
11:53 Shara         Never saw one that really did what I wanted
11:55 TommyTreasure and as a hint to players that it is a serious minded server, new visitors don't get shout privs until they pass the first few tests.
11:55 tenplus1      http://i67.tinypic.com/ajv2gp.png erk, evil bonny attack
11:56 tenplus1      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15439&hilit=respawn+mod
11:56 tenplus1      that's the one shara
11:56 tenplus1      lordfingle was holding out on us :DDDD
11:57 Shara         I'd have to rewrite it so completely that I may as well start over. It could give ideas though
11:58 tenplus1      yeah, could be made a LOT simpler
11:59 Shara         It doesn't need to be registering all these privs
11:59 Shara         And I don't want to use files
11:59 Shara         There's no need
12:00 tenplus1      place block, if player on top check current coors ~= respawn coords, if so set new respawn coords ... dat simple :D
12:00 Shara         Since what I want is highly specific, I'll probably put the respawn locations in the mod itself
12:00 Shara         Not sure yet really
12:00 Shara         Was also thinking of using the hidden inventory system already on DL in some way
12:00 Shara         Lots to think about :)
12:00 tenplus1      too many ideas, not enough time :D
12:01 TommyTreasure well, time to hit the shower.  need to be on the road in 2 hours.  hopefully catch everyone later today.
12:01 tenplus1      cya dude
12:02 TommyTreasure gonna leave hexchat running just so i can scan the logfile when i get back.
12:02 TommyTreasure l8r kids
12:02 tenplus1      o/
12:03 Shara         See you Tommy who is not Tommy :P
12:04 TommyTreasure lol
12:04 red-001       wow this channel is active
12:04 tenplus1      :)
12:04 nerzhul       if pr reviews was also active :p
12:05 Shara         Hi red :)
12:05 red-001       and that isn't just a feedback loop of people saying hi
12:05 red-001       hi Shara
12:05 * Shara       still likes saying hi anyway :P
12:05 Shara         But content is good
12:07 tenplus1      hi lumidify
12:07 Shara         red-001: You realised you probbaly now triggered that exact feedback loop?
12:07 red-001       I know
12:07 red-001       I don't really mind the loop that much
12:08 Shara         :)
12:09 lumidify      Hi tenplus1
12:13 VanessaE      good morning all.
12:13 tenplus1      hi Vanessa
12:14 Shara         Hi VanessaE, hi again lumidify
12:15 lumidify      Hi Shara
12:19 red-001       can texture packs override sounds?
12:20 Shara         Hmm, never tried. I don't really use texture packs
12:20 Shara         But could be interesting if they can
12:22 red-001       would be useful for csm
12:22 tenplus1      sadly no, only textures...  many have asked devs before to add this feature tho :P
12:23 Shara         Just wondering if it would make me finally want sound turned on :P
12:23 nerzhul       red-001, i think sounds will be in CSM mods no ?
12:23 Shara         I have wondered if CSM might open possibilities for it as well.
12:24 Shara         Since then we could get much much better sounds in theory
12:24 tenplus1      and would save huge downloads on serves supplying own sounds
12:25 Shara         That's why they'd be better :P
12:25 red-001       nerzhul, of course just if you could load sounds now someone could start work on an ambience sound mod
12:26 tenplus1      there's a few already available... inc. my own...   github.com/tenplus1/ambience
12:27 celeron55     it's actually funny how texture packs work in the engine
12:28 celeron55     the system pretends texture packs don't even exist, until the image data from the server is to be cached
12:28 celeron55     then it checks the texture pack, and if it exists there, it just ignores the data from the server and loads the local file instead 8)
12:29 tenplus1      if you could do that with sounds then +10000000
12:37 celeron55     i'll take a look
12:38 tenplus1      yaaay, thanks dude
12:41 tenplus1      been looking at Vulkan support in linux and it's blowing opengl out of the water when it comes to fps in games :)  I wonder if irrlicht will ever support it
12:43 tenplus1      wb
12:44 paramat       there's an issue about sound packs, seems best to implement a separate folder for sounds, which works like a texture pack does
12:44 tenplus1      yup yup
12:45 Shara         Would love to see more happening with sound as well
12:45 paramat       #5363 #4903
12:46 tenplus1      even adding mod/x3m support for music... nice n small for servers :P
12:48 paramat       some better footstep sounds have been linked for us and i intend to replace some (sand snow metal) we made many footsteps quieter for 0.4.15
12:49 Shara         Yes, making them quieter was good :)
12:50 Shara         I was actually surprised they didn't annoy me as much when I had sound on to test handholds mod
12:55 tenplus1      I watched a few mt videos that had realistic walking sounds added....  was very impressed in the change/feel of the game
12:55 celeron55     looks like a hacky solution is easy https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/cf723a56b9e1cca8097cee9ab86fece6b1137812
12:56 celeron55     so we just need a proper one
12:56 tenplus1      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K53cqqAbgU
12:56 tenplus1      :P
12:57 shivajiva     heh the creaky wood sounds good
12:57 tenplus1      if he had a link to the sounds used I'd replace the mt one's in-game
13:00 * Shara       sneaks out fo r aocuple hours
13:00 tenplus1      ehehe, have fun
13:00 Shara         for a couple*
13:00 Shara         The typing! It gets worse!
13:00 * Shara       hides
13:40 tenplus1      wb red
13:57 tenplus1      wb paramat
14:46 tenplus1      hi nrz
14:47 nerzhul       hi tenplus1
15:16 tenplus1      hi DS
15:16 DS-minetest   hi
15:18 tenplus1      wow, quick visit :P
15:23 celeron55     efficient
15:23 tenplus1      heh:P
15:23 celeron55     you're much slower
15:23 * tenplus1    lingers
15:50 celeron55     there are windows users in here, right? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5416 "Windows: Skip cmd for release builds"
15:50 celeron55     what do you think of that
15:54 tenplus1      disabling by default is good that it speeds things up, and if player wants console output they can run minetest inside a cmd window
15:55 celeron55     it doesn't work that way in windows
15:55 red-002       +1
15:55 celeron55     if the window is disabled, then console output is disabled completely, even if you open it in console
15:55 tenplus1      how about a setting in advanced that enables console ?
15:55 red-002       tenplus1, thats impossible
15:55 celeron55     that's not possible either unless we implement our own console window
15:55 celeron55     you know, 'cause windows
15:55 tenplus1      hrm, windows is a pain in the butt
15:55 celeron55     nothing makes sense around there 8)
15:57 celeron55     but you can use something like http://ophilipp.free.fr/op_tail.htm to live-view debug.txt
15:58 tenplus1      when running on windows atm is it a script that opens a console window and runs minetest ?
15:58 celeron55     no, windows opens the console window because minetest is built as a console application
15:59 tenplus1      ahh, gotcha
15:59 celeron55     that PR changes it to a windowed application, i.e. no console
15:59 tenplus1      so makes it faster in general
16:00 tenplus1      typically if a mod has an error it appears in minetest gui itself as an error message
16:00 celeron55     dunno about how much faster; likely not much
16:00 celeron55     MT isn't very console-spammy by default anyway
16:00 tenplus1      any other benefits in having it window app only /
16:02 tenplus1      if not then "thumbs down" for that idea
16:02 tenplus1      keep the console :D
16:03 celeron55     i guess a new console could be made at some point, but certainly not if this PR isn't merged as it isn't needed then
16:03 tenplus1      is it difficult to make it's own console window ?
16:06 celeron55     we need someone who actually knows something about windows and wants to make it
16:07 celeron55     it depends on many things
16:08 celeron55     like whether we want to show only the minetest log (that stuff going to debug.txt) (easy) or also stderr/stdout (no idea what's required)
16:08 tenplus1      also if the game crashes and closes we'd lose it's console window and have to open debug.txt anyhow...
16:12 tenplus1      so prolly better to keep it as is
16:13 celeron55     adding a comment in the issue is a good idea if you have opinions about it
16:13 tenplus1      oh yeah :P ehehehe, donig now
16:16 tenplus1      added
16:40 tenplus1      hi kaeza
16:40 kaeza         greetings
17:04 Shara         Back again
17:04 tenplus1      hi Krock
17:04 Krock         DAMN IT
17:04 Shara         celeron55: Much to my own horror, I confess to being a windows user
17:04 tenplus1      http://lolsnaps.com/funny/187208/cats-train-human-to-give-them-treats-at-the-sound-of-a-bell
17:04 Krock         I thought you weren't here, tenplus1. Apparently you left #-prject
17:04 Shara         Personaly I REALY like getting the console
17:04 Shara         Hi Krock
17:04 Krock         hi Shara, tenplus1
17:04 Fixer         Shara: you will still get it I think, wait a little
17:05 Krock         my chances decreased by 50% to greet you.. same as before :<
17:05 Shara         celeron55: I thought the console would still be an option, but if it's not I am totally against it
17:05 tenplus1      ehehe
17:05 tenplus1      console is important
17:06 Shara         I'm confused now if we're saying it can or can't be an option
17:06 celeron55     there are some solutions being researched in the PR now
17:06 Shara         PR itself seems to say it's an option, but what celeron55 and red-00 said suggests it can't be?
17:07 Krock         just wanted to test some sneak modifications but noticed that even vanilla minetest in debug mode is too laggy to even climb a node :<
17:07 Krock         s/in debug mode/as debug build/
17:08 Krock         meh, compiling it as release
17:10 Shara         celeron55: commented anyway
17:11 Fixer         Shara: depends on how it compiled, it is configurable
17:12 Fixer         Shara: there will be no console window in release builds, but you can enable it by say... minetest --console or starting cmd and minetest in it
17:12 Shara         I care abotu what the official release of clients does, because compiling here is hell
17:12 Fixer         Shara: in other words it will still work for people who needs it
17:12 Fixer         you will need to just specify a --console
17:12 Krock         you can't enable it over minetest --console unless there will be dirty hacks
17:13 Shara         Okay, then I am 100% against this, because I need it and I don't want to need to open spmething else again just to start the game
17:13 Fixer         Krock: read that topic %)
17:13 Krock         *browses logs*
17:14 Fixer         Krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5416
17:14 Krock         Fixer, thanks. however already found it some seconds ago :3
17:14 Fixer         i win
17:44 Shara         Getting more players saying they can't open crafting guide without crashing :(
17:44 Shara         Bad apps everywhere! :(
17:44 sfan5         dunno that might just be normal android behaviour
17:44 tenplus1      ? works ok in Xanadu... you installed the latest ??
17:44 Shara         I probably need to update then
17:44 tenplus1      some sfinv changes were added
17:44 tenplus1      might be those
17:45 Shara         I don't use sfinv
17:45 tenplus1      it's used by default game
17:45 tenplus1      hi Jordach
17:45 Shara         And you know I am not using newest MTG
17:45 Shara         Jordach: Meow :)
17:46 Shara         sfan5: It's definitely android players
17:46 Jordach       it's always (((android)))
17:46 Shara         I've also got one player who crashes any time he opens inventory (using UI on that server)
17:46 sfan5         yes but craftguide puts some strain on the game
17:47 sfan5         so it might be just "normal" that this happens on android devices which are often unpowered
17:47 Shara         And he used to be fine until he updated the app
17:49 tenplus1      would be nice if craftguide was somehow build into the inventory
17:50 Shara         yea, that was what I liked about UI
17:51 * Jordach     thinks of a neater method
17:52 Fixer         tenplus1: watched mc 1.12 changes?
17:53 * Jordach     already knows
17:53 tenplus1      when was that released ?
17:53 Jordach       tenplus1, it's currently a snapshot build
17:53 tenplus1      gotta link ?
17:53 Jordach       https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-17w13a
17:53 Jordach       (damn, that's a nice site)
17:54 Jordach       ((i really like dem buttons))
17:54 Fixer         basicly they decided to add always present craftguide that shows all recipes for items present in inventory
17:54 Jordach       *cough* terraria
17:55 tenplus1      eheheh
17:55 Jordach       tenplus1, that one page already has more charm than MTG
17:55 tenplus1      it's a basic feature that should be in the game though, a tab that lets noobs see how to craft items
17:56 Jordach       blender bugs reeee
17:57 tenplus1      lol
17:57 * Shara       thinks someone needs to make it
17:57 Jordach       it randomly corrupts it's own memory and then dies when minimizede
18:00 tenplus1      Jordach:  mc or mt ?
18:00 Jordach       tenplus1, blender
18:00 tenplus1      ohhhh
18:00 tenplus1      thought the model affected game and it crashed there
18:01 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/n98SsiE.png
18:02 Jordach       it's not hard to make textures, cmon
18:02 tenplus1      heh
18:02 celeron55     that microsoftcraft page is nice, i agree
18:15 Sokomine      it *is* hard to make textures
18:15 Sokomine      :-)
18:15 tenplus1      depends on the texture you need :P
18:16 Sokomine      the most basic ones are probably doable. but for all else i depend on help. my usual source of nice textures is vanessae :-)
18:16 * VanessaE    hides
18:16 Shara         Sokomine: Some of the best tectures are super easy
18:16 Shara         https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Cat5TV/tps_crappy/master/mods/default/textures/default_stone.png
18:16 * Shara       hides
18:17 tenplus1      eheheheheheheheeheheh
18:17 Shara         I'm still amused that they actually put that ont he server :D
18:17 Jordach       >VanessaE
18:17 Jordach       >nice textures
18:17 Jordach       :thinking:
18:17 Sokomine      :-) probably. but there's sometimes art in small textures as well, and for unkown reasons grapic editors and i do not get along well
18:18 VanessaE      Jordach:  D:
18:18 Jordach       VanessaE, you know why i'm so sarcastic
18:18 Sokomine      ok, there's a tendency for very large textures there :) but that's acceptable for more complex things
18:19 Jordach       VanessaE, HDX is consistent; Minetest Game is not
18:19 VanessaE      > HDX
18:19 VanessaE      > consistent
18:19 VanessaE      HAH!
18:21 kaeza         speaking of which, is there already a whateverthehellitscalled puppy in HDX?
18:21 VanessaE      not yet
18:21 Shara         Hi sniper338
18:21 tenplus1      *shudder*
18:21 tenplus1      I can honestly say that I *hate* the candies block
18:22 VanessaE      D:
18:22 kaeza         also, speaking of puppies, can somebody pls make that barking sound stop?
18:22 Jordach       arf arf arf
18:22 sniper338     Shara: Hiya! (*^_^)人(^_^*)
18:22 kaeza         and why is it eatable anyway?
18:22 red-001       no idea
18:22 kaeza         YOU EAT PUPPIES?
18:22 tenplus1      kaeza: github.com/tenplus1/pbj_pup  <--- 1st thing I did was remove sounds and candy block, add nyan cat n rainbow
18:22 sniper338     Also thanx 4 welcomin me here btw! :)
18:22 tenplus1      hi sniper
18:23 VanessaE      kaeza: you don't "eat" the head actually
18:23 VanessaE      you *use* it
18:23 Jordach       you could've gone with rainbow cat
18:23 Shara         Yes, we have a game where you eat puppies now >.>
18:24 VanessaE      Jordach: nope.  Had to make a complete and absolutely clean break.  only safe thing to do.
18:35 tenplus1      ehehe, nice one Thomas-S - https://github.com/Thomas--S/moognu
18:36 Thomas-S      Thanks :)
18:36 Calinou       http://xonotic.org/posts/2017/xonotic-0-8-2-release/
18:42 * Krock       fires https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest/commit/228a46d (sneak glitch to be fixed, added)
18:43 tenplus1      apart from sneak elevators, will this let us sneak across single ledges ?
18:43 Krock         ^ would also fix issue #5449 (jittery motion)
18:44 Krock         tenplus1, speaking of air|node|air|node|air paths?
18:44 sfan5         Krock: i'm very sure that just removing some stuff is going to break things
18:44 Krock         sneaking code is a huge mess. however, your commit already improved it a bit
18:45 Krock         also figured out the source of this half-slab bug
18:45 Krock         priority sorting.
18:45 tenplus1      what was it
18:45 Krock         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/14aa990cdd682b00904c4a84968a6c0e3c31716d#diff-efb51cde4bb3c805a95dc31b2b1781d0R271
18:45 Krock         this is now corrected to (0.5 - 0.05) * BS
18:46 Krock         but the old code was 0.5 * BS
18:46 sfan5         that does not fix the half slab bug fully
18:46 tenplus1      if it helps tho :)
18:48 Krock         meh, whatever. just wanted to throw this commit in and see what happens :)
18:48 sfan5         also you are re-introducing the 2 node jump
18:49 tenplus1      nuuuuuuuuuu
18:49 Shara         Seriously want that
18:50 paramat       my attempt at 2-node pull-up has a rather jarring teleport effect unfortunately
18:51 paramat       thanks Krock i'll test that soon
18:52 Krock         uhm.. 2 node jumps aren't possible yet. The player somehow sticks on the lower node but can't jump afterwards
18:52 sofar         as long as all the movement cheats can be disabled (or better, are disabled by default IMHO)
18:52 Krock         indeed, too controversial to hardcode all the behaviour
18:53 * Shara       likes options
18:53 sofar         options are fine, especially for this type of thing
18:53 paramat       btw can anyone test current code to see if they can sneak across a 1-high ledge as here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5438#issuecomment-290906127 it works for me but not for 2 other players
18:53 Shara         Ideal would be if it's  serverside option though
18:53 sofar         I can foresee people making parcour servers where they want this type of movement
18:54 sofar         Shara: well client-side option would not be acceptable
18:54 tenplus1      falling onto ledge while holding sneak catches ledge, but I think that rounding pos below player returns air so cant jump
18:54 Shara         sofar: Yes, was checking the mazes/parkour type areas on shivajiva's server the other night. A lot will be broken as it stands
18:54 sofar         it can't be a client-side option
18:54 paramat       i have PR to disable this option by default, but it could wait until near release
18:57 Fixer         so much problems with this sneak stuff
18:57 Krock         s/much/many/
18:57 Fixer         such much problems
18:57 Krock         xD
18:59 Fixer         compiling new version of that console PR
18:59 Fixer         with "minetest --console" ability
19:00 Jordach       xbax port when
19:00 sfan5         ^ this
19:00 Jordach       steamos port when
19:00 Jordach       Kappa
19:01 Krock         Fixer, btw, what happens when it's run in the cmd window?
19:01 Shara         Fixer: such much many problems
19:01 Krock         wow amaze such many awesome problems
19:01 Fixer         Krock: let me compile it before I see
19:05 Fixer         House Passes HR230 Repealing FCC Internet Privacy Rule (self.technology)
19:05 Fixer         R.I.P
19:05 Fixer         .
19:05 Jordach       Fixer, every major tech company already sells your data
19:05 Fixer         Jordach: yep, and it is BAD
19:05 Jordach       privacy never existed on the internet
19:06 Jordach       (well, before the whole web 2.0 thing)
19:06 Krock         <insert panic here>
19:06 tenplus1      lol, good luck with that, I never use my real name online :DDD
19:06 lumidify      Start using TOR, preferably with gopher :)
19:07 Fixer         another kek: Minister says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable (uk.reuters.com)
19:09 lumidify      Maybe the CPIP would be useful - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
19:09 tenplus1      pidgin has a nice encryption addon which works really well :D but not everyone uses it
19:13 Shara         tenplus1: Which one?
19:14 tenplus1      https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/
19:14 tenplus1      Pidgin-OTR... is in most linux repo's, that link is for win32 installer
19:14 Shara         Yea, I have OTR set up
19:14 tenplus1      :P
19:14 Shara         Though I don't think it ever kicked in when I was talking to you for some reason
19:15 Fixer         also, don't use facebook and such
19:16 tenplus1      I leave it disabled unless I need to use it :D
19:17 Shara         Aww, so now I know you don't like telling me secrets :P
19:17 tenplus1      aahahah
19:17 Shara         Fixer: failbook*
19:17 Shara         Get it right :)
19:17 Shara         Github is probably as close to social media as I get
19:17 tenplus1      ehe
19:17 tenplus1      yeah
19:18 Shara         And it even took me a while to reveal my github identity for anything MT related :D
19:18 Fixer         anyway, it is VPN time
19:19 lumidify      Nah, it's TOR time :P
19:20 Shara         Chain them up :P
19:20 tenplus1      I spent the last 2 days bulletproofing Chromium browser
19:20 lumidify      I bulletproofed the lynx browser :D
19:20 Jordach       kek <-this one
19:20 Jordach       kek
19:21 Jordach       gah
19:22 tenplus1      I winder if there's a version of Chromium(fork) out there that has everything disabled/encrypted like tor
19:23 Jordach       tenplus1, i expect web 2.0 to disintergrate over the next year or so
19:23 Jordach       if not the next three
19:24 tenplus1      gotta wait n see :)
19:24 Jordach       tenplus1, i know why
19:24 Jordach       the source of VC is going to be a continent of GLASS
19:24 tenplus1      ????
19:24 Jordach       eg: erased by a nuke
19:25 Jordach       tenplus1, venture capatilists want results; aka big data
19:25 tenplus1      yep, everything is logged/recorded etc so sell info to everyone else... dem companies shouldnt be in control of da webz
19:25 Jordach       tenplus1, the money is from the ME
19:26 Jordach       saudi arabia owns twitter essentially
19:26 lumidify      Jordach: I'm prepared for Web 2.0 disappearing - I just created a gopher version of the Lord of the Test site - gopher://lumidify.ig42.org/1/lott/
19:26 Jordach       lumidify, if you're wondering
19:27 Jordach       check the Trump vs Jeb debate
19:27 Jordach       somewhere he remarks about 9/11 and allies in the ME
19:27 Jordach       hint: it's ending in a continent of glass
19:27 Fixer         Krock: it turns out it is not finished yet
19:27 Jordach       (and the source of problems for the last 100 years)
19:27 Jordach       go figure
19:30 tenplus1      what do you think will replace web2/0 then ?
19:30 Jordach       a hybrid of federated meshnets and TCP/IP
19:32 Jordach       it allows for IoT and multiple VM servers eg; each local city has their own "internet"
19:32 Jordach       eg, ip@usa_boston -> ip@uk_london
19:32 Jordach       V6 isn't mainstream, and meshnets will solve it entirely
19:32 tenplus1      hrm, gotta look into that... future of the interwebz and all
19:33 Jordach       in 30 years governments will exist as they are now, but everything through mutual defense, research will be as federations
19:33 Jordach       federations != EU
19:34 Jordach       the federation does not write one size fits all laws
19:34 Jordach       it is strictly like NATO defense, except you have to pay in to stay in
19:37 Fixer         i feel like at home when reading usa news
19:37 Fixer         same feel
19:37 Fixer         fucked up
19:38 tenplus1      you should try the www.dailymail.co.uk site.... eeek!
19:39 Jordach       tenplus1, don't worry
19:39 Jordach       the pains of leftism is about to swing forth
19:39 tenplus1      lol
19:40 Jordach       because my generation 1996-2017 is further right than my grandparents in 1945
19:40 Jordach       never wake a sleeping giant in anglo-saxons
19:42 Fixer         "AT&T, Comcast and Verizon say they won’t sell customers' browsing histories" yet they still use that data for same purposes
19:43 tenplus1      at&t and verizon suck... I hear so many stories about about their incompetence and ways of overcharging users
19:48 Jordach       want to know something more strange? the person who now has the missing tesla notes is DJT himself
19:48 tenplus1      djt /
19:48 Jordach       current US pres
19:48 Fixer         djt?
19:48 tenplus1      how'd he get them ?
19:48 Jordach       his uncle
19:49 tenplus1      gawd, wonder if he'll make his own tesla :D
19:49 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/EVdeMRP.jpg long, but helps
19:50 Fixer         kek
19:50 Jordach       universe is more damaged than anticipated
19:52 Jordach       every time the media tries something, his own twitter is ahead by a few steps, strange, isn't it
19:52 tenplus1      wonder if he somehow owns the twitter cache
19:52 Jordach       tenplus1, if you know every potential outcome, you can always checkmate in two
19:53 tenplus1      good point
19:53 Jordach       now, why has every attack on him failed, even his wiretap dug up no illegal info
19:53 Jordach       that in all cases is impossible
19:55 * Shara       renames channel to #conspiracy-hub :P
19:55 tenplus1      lol... he has the backup necessary to keep ahead of the game
19:56 Jordach       Shara, when you realise everything is based on perception
19:56 Jordach       it becomes a horrow show
19:56 Jordach       :^)
19:56 Jordach       horror*
19:56 tenplus1      k, am off for now :) nite folks
19:56 kaeza         #politi-hub
19:56 Shara         nite tenplus1
19:56 kaeza         o/ ... toolate4me
19:56 Shara         Jordach: I use the term circus show for reality myself
19:57 kaeza         there should be a Godwin's law derivative that involves Trump/Hillary IMHO
19:58 Jordach       kaeza, keks
19:59 kaeza         also kappa
19:59 kaeza         kids and their memes
19:59 Jordach       kaeza, in
19:59 Jordach       i don't know, but, pepe that greed feelsbadman meme did a song in 1980
19:59 Jordach       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAx0t3O55Zo
20:00 Jordach       an inf/1 chance and yet, it matches perfectly
20:02 celeron55     lol
20:02 Jordach       tl;dr i want to get off this damn ride
20:02 celeron55     1) bring jordach on channel, 2) proceed to read politics on channel
20:02 Jordach       smh
20:02 Jordach       i'm broken at this point
20:03 celeron55     stop visiting 4chan
20:03 celeron55     it's not good for you
20:03 Jordach       dank memes are good for you in moderation
20:03 Jordach       i'm stuck re-doing my sand texture
20:04 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/M9VoR8D.png trying for like thks
20:04 Jordach       but more, err
20:04 Jordach       sandy
20:05 Shara         sand is actually one of the textures I do really like in MTG
20:05 celeron55     by the way, does anyone use minetest's fullscreen mode?
20:06 Jordach       celeron55, used to, not tested on windows
20:06 Shara         It has an actual fullscreen mode?
20:06 celeron55     it sucks mostly due to irrlicht
20:06 Jordach       celeron55, well, it's borderless windowed mode
20:06 Jordach       iirc
20:06 Shara         I just tend to switch the window to whatever size I feel like
20:06 celeron55     no; MT only has a real fullscreen mode which is why it sucks and is hard to configure
20:06 kaeza         ^
20:07 kaeza         particularly the "it sucks" part
20:07 celeron55     but i set up minetest on my new living room computer that runs windows and noted that it's possible to configure fullscreen mode an alt+tab works on windows then (maybe not in linux)
20:07 Shara         'real' fullscreen, in the sense of losing everything else on my desktop, would suck
20:07 celeron55     just set up the resolution and enable fullscreen and restart MT
20:07 kaeza         I pretty much prefer Xfce's Alt+F11 when I want full screen
20:07 celeron55     yeah, i use icewm's alt+f11 on linux
20:07 celeron55     but windows 7 doesn't have that
20:08 Shara         I always like to keep taskbar, so I can see when I get messages on IRC and so on
20:08 Shara         Did have fun a while back letting MT use three monitors at once
20:08 Jordach       celeron55, http://i.imgur.com/9x5BYIo.png
20:09 kaeza         maybe it's just me, but "real" fullscreen is a mess in Linux
20:09 kaeza         for everything
20:09 Jordach       borderless is better, anywys
20:09 celeron55     Jordach: you didn't give it a resolution your monitor supports
20:09 celeron55     so it does that
20:09 kaeza         if your app freezes you're stuck in it often with no way to alt-tab
20:09 Fixer         celeron55: i don't use fullscreen, very handy for task switching
20:09 celeron55     kaeza: yes, real fullscreen is a mess in linux
20:10 celeron55     i don't even know whose fault that is, but for some reason nobody even cares
20:10 Jordach       celeron55, it behaves much like a borderless window
20:10 Jordach       minus the flickering of resolution changdes
20:10 Fixer         celeron55: i've tried full screen mode ones and it was ok
20:10 Jordach       (multimonitor mode has some strange things)
20:11 Fixer         once*
20:11 celeron55     Fixer: you're on windows, right?
20:11 Fixer         yes
20:16 Jordach       huh, that's the blender bug. Minetest and Blender on my RX 480 causes a Blender crash when Blender is minimized
20:26 Fixer         "Mithril, an open source JavaScript framework for single-page applications, is looking to best Facebook's React, Google's Angular, and Vue JavaScript tools in performance and ease of use."
20:26 Fixer         kek
20:27 Fixer         another new framework to learn for Calino_u
20:27 Krock         $20 for 'n'
20:27 Krock         damn it, there's no gap to fill
20:28 Jordach       >JS
20:28 Jordach       >performance
20:28 Jordach       top lel
20:36 Fixer         Jordach: it is secret plan to slow down internet to bring back 199X feel of slowness
20:36 Fixer         retro
20:36 Fixer         your 100mbit internet will work as fast as 33k dial up
20:36 Fixer         firefox as fast as IE in 1999
20:37 celeron55     IE was actually pretty fast back then
20:37 celeron55     it was just hellishly insecure
20:38 celeron55     or, everything was
20:39 celeron55     just imagine internet banking with custom activex objects, with no https
20:43 * Jordach     considers throwing up
20:43 Jordach       i remember windows 9x with IE4/5/6
20:43 * red-001     moves out of the way
21:13 Jordach       blob:http://imgur.com/f5dc7882-29d5-4796-aa22-6abb7a7b3ea1
21:13 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/37sXw6Z.png
21:13 Jordach       REEEEE
21:14 Jordach       but sand no longer looks like ass
21:23 Fixer         triggering triggersifies
21:41 Jordach       re done gravel
21:41 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/QT4eJSp.jpg
21:41 Jordach       more pebbly
21:41 sfan5         nice
21:41 Jordach       some natural stuff is softy
21:41 sfan5         i have the impression Jordach will make minetest great again
21:41 Jordach       while manufactured and harder materials have stronger lines
21:42 sfan5         ...if he would ever release his stuff
21:42 Jordach       then let -hub have a proper project and vision
21:42 Jordach       my wardrobe permanently solves the skinning issue
21:44 Shara         Jordach: nice gravel
21:44 Jordach       i'll eventually get around to atlasing the entire SP textureset
21:45 Jordach       then turning it into the proper palette set
21:45 Jordach       (or just rip the atlas from GPU)
21:47 Jordach       sfan5, Shara the final feature is the one to end Minetest Game as it stands
21:47 Jordach       Journal and Iridescence AI
21:49 Jordach       the node entity hybrid gave a hint on how to solve the NPC goes missing from it's housing
21:50 Jordach       Journal is the design of using pure proc gen for questing and story elements
21:52 Shara         Looking forward to seeing that
21:52 Jordach       the solution is inside Elite 1984
21:53 Fixer         sfan5: to make it really great again you need at least to include it %
21:54 Fixer         )
21:54 Jordach       Fixer, it's primary goal is to solve Minetest's MP problem
21:54 Fixer         Jordach: waiting
21:54 Jordach       notice the HUD
21:54 Fixer         Jordach: minetest's mp problem?
21:54 Jordach       why does it stink to high heaven of Wow
21:54 Fixer         Jordach: don't see any hud
21:55 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/M9VoR8D.png
21:55 Fixer         Jordach: ok, seeing the hud, what now?
21:56 Jordach       notice how i've left the area entirely clear
21:56 Fixer         what area?
21:56 Jordach       the visual part
21:56 Fixer         ... of hud?
21:56 Jordach       notice how much field of vision is availible
21:57 Fixer         looks same to me
21:57 Fixer         default mtg has even less hud
21:59 * Jordach     means like this
21:59 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/vlX1yk5.png
21:59 Jordach       from https://www.twitch.tv/videos/132148683
21:59 Jordach       if i need more bars, i'll move them to the bottom right
21:59 Fixer         Jordach: oh, thats beefied up wuzzy hud
21:59 Jordach       Fixer, it's heavy unneeded clutter
22:00 Fixer         maybe
22:00 Fixer         your one is streamlined
22:00 Jordach       Fixer, if hud api worked properly on droid and linux; then it's usable on all devices
22:00 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/o8I7ytZ.png
22:00 Jordach       ^ on linux
22:01 Fixer         crappy
22:01 Jordach       yes, irrlicht does something different
22:01 Jordach       sfan5 did make a dirt patch
22:01 Jordach       dirty*
22:02 Fixer         excellent
22:02 Jordach       but it doesn't take PPI or DPI into account
22:02 Jordach       (and this does not occur on win32/64 either)
22:06 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/2IKHTUK.jpg
22:06 Jordach       getting those petals on the floor is evil
22:07 Fixer         i can only imagine how slow it will be :trollface:
22:08 Jordach       it's a simple 5^3 scan in vertical lines
22:08 Jordach       ignoring anything already placed down
22:19 Jordach       Fixer, every feature is in modular design for good reason
22:19 Shara         Hi NathanS21
22:19 Jordach       even the doors are wrote like that, wonder why?
22:19 NathanS21     hi Shara, and everybody else. :)
22:20 Jordach       i've done it in a way that not only works for the player, but also NPC characters
22:25 Jordach       uh
23:07 Fixer         continuing testing fps drop bug, selected another target
23:08 Fixer         i have suspicion that regression was in Feb 2017
23:09 Fixer         kaeza: OpenGL ded?
23:10 kaeza         Fixer, sometimes OpenGL apps just stop responding for some reason forcing me to reboot the machine (not just kill the X server)
23:10 Fixer         kek
23:10 Fixer         kaeza: ati?
23:10 kaeza         intel
23:10 Fixer         unusual
23:10 kaeza         >00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
23:11 Fixer         sigh
23:11 Fixer         buy a videocard
23:11 shivajiva     I used to get that on my prev gpu but it was ati
23:12 Fixer         2017-04-02 02:12:19: WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: PNG warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
23:12 Fixer         so spam
23:14 VanessaE      I get that error too.
23:15 kaeza         Fixer, I already have a GeForce MX4000
23:16 kaeza         <_<
23:16 Fixer         kaeza: MX 400?
23:16 Fixer         i remember mx400, not 4000
23:16 Fixer         i had it, 15 years ago or so
23:17 kaeza         http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4mx.html
23:17 Fixer         ah
23:17 Fixer         geforce 4mx440
23:17 Fixer         friend had this
23:17 Fixer         was much faster than gf2mx400
23:18 Fixer         there was GF4TI, but that was so high end
23:18 * Fixer       remembers
23:18 Fixer         056. Jav D feat. Mat Zo & Einat - Silver Lining (Tell Me) (Myon At Albion Vocal Remix)  [9:13]
23:18 Fixer         https://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4ti.html
23:19 Fixer         ti 4200 was the cheapest but still pretty high end at the time
23:20 Fixer         https://techreport.com/review/3538/nvidia-geforce4-ti-4200
23:21 Fixer         5642 score in 3dmark2001se
23:21 Fixer         for 440
23:22 Fixer         and 9000 for ti 4200
23:22 Fixer         and my gf2mx400 had almost 3000
23:22 Fixer         when I tested it 15years ago
23:22 Fixer         3d mark 2001 se was my first benchmark
23:23 Fixer         it is weird to read comments with "15 years ago" on them
23:23 Fixer         holy shit
23:24 Fixer         just holy shit
23:24 Fixer         so much time passed
23:24 Fixer         someone installed s3 trio 1mb card
23:25 Fixer         install problems in w98se
23:25 Fixer         RADEON 8500 64MB VIVO
23:25 Fixer         that one was the thing
23:31 Fixer         thinking house design is the worst thing
23:56 Fixer         ipv6...
23:57 kaeza         >no cloak
23:59 Jordach       Press [F] to pay respects