Time Nick Message 00:04 bigfoot547 Well, you are right. I had no position in command in this channel anyways :P 00:05 bigfoot547 But I figured (correct me if I'm wrong) 00:05 Shara Well, I don't mind you leading a docs team, but there isn't a team yet, just the potential for one. 00:05 bigfoot547 Wait a moment lol 00:05 Shara I'd very much like to see there being one, and getting this channel up is a good start for that 00:05 bigfoot547 I think that a team may consist of 1 person :P 00:05 Shara But I've been working with people to improve documentation for quite a while now. 00:06 bigfoot547 Yes 00:06 jas_ mmm typos 00:06 * jas_ is just glad loggingbot_ is here 00:06 bigfoot547 lol 00:07 bigfoot547 is cool 00:07 Shara It just seems silly to worry about who has what role until things are happening. 00:07 bigfoot547 Yeah, I guess you're right 00:09 Shara If the focus is editing wiki, Calinou's kind of automatically the leader anyway and should be making any decisions (I think?) 00:09 bigfoot547 Yes 00:11 Shara jas_: About auto_updates to the dev wiki, I'm not sure how that would be workable. 00:12 Shara Level of detai on wiki is, I think, much more than on lua_api, or at least should be 00:12 bigfoot547 I think of the wikis as an organically growing organism 00:12 Shara detail* 00:12 jas_ zdoom dev wiki would make a stub 00:13 Shara If there is some way to automate anything so that there's better consistency, it's good 00:13 jas_ automatically, so if a new minetest.register_on_modchannel_message(), or w/e, is added -- it makes a stub, gets the basics from lua_api.txt, and says, "expand this article further, it's a stub." 00:13 bigfoot547 There's something like that in the modding book 00:13 jas_ pretty neat, not trivial and outside my expertise 00:13 bigfoot547 er somewhere 00:13 * Shara needs to get back to editing that soon 00:14 jas_ but yes, i see the wiki articles have much better, more expanded info -- that's really good. it's just i always refer to lua_api.txt, because 1) it's canonical, and 2) it's up to date 00:14 jas_ phew, it'll take a bit to kinda... audit the dev wiki 00:14 jas_ i'm also curious about the separation between regular minetest wiki and dev wiki, but, i don't even have an acct yet; will wait for 2mrw after work 00:14 Shara Personally I'd love to mak e aserious attempt at doing something with lua_api itself, because it's not really easy to work with. 00:14 jas_ it's not, but it IS easy to link 00:15 Shara But it's also... I think almost 4k lines long? 00:15 jas_ right now, client_lua_api.md sucks because i can't link line numbers off github! :'( 00:15 Shara So it would be a huge job to try anything meaningful with it 00:15 jas_ i proposed in #minetest-docs, that there is a duplication client_lua_api.txt in addition to the markdown file; obv this isn't going to fly hehe 00:15 jas_ how do you eat an elephant, Shara? : ) 00:16 Shara Heh. 00:17 bigfoot547 jas_: well, step one is cooking it 00:17 bigfoot547 And hiding the corpse, as killing elephants is illegal AFAIK 00:17 Shara Smart :) 00:18 Shara But personally I'd rather find a smaller meal. 00:18 bigfoot547 Yes 00:18 bigfoot547 me too 00:18 jas_ "one byte at a time" 00:21 bigfoot547 lool 00:28 jas_ but that's my main interest here 00:28 jas_ making sure the dev wiki at least has a stub for each item in lua_api.txt 00:29 bigfoot547 Yes 00:29 bigfoot547 That's why I started this place 00:29 jas_ and like i was saying earlier bigfoot547, if you compare client_lua_api.mod to lua_api.txt, a lot of it will be the same 00:29 bigfoot547 well 00:29 bigfoot547 In a sense 00:29 bigfoot547 but CSM and SSM should have separate docs 00:30 jas_ so we can have one wiki article for, e.g. minetest.register_on_modchannel_message(), and simply mark it as both SSM and CSM 00:30 bigfoot547 Well, yes 00:30 jas_ it will have separate stubs, and be _categorized_ separately 00:31 jas_ so you can go category:CSM or category:SSM and show only appropriate tagged articles 00:31 jas_ i'm unfamiliar with the terminology here 00:31 bigfoot547 Yes 00:31 jas_ but have done some work on apps.linuxaudio.org years ago 00:31 jas_ (like a lot lol) 00:32 bigfoot547 In faaaact, I should probably make a category page for SSM lol 00:32 jas_ sounds good 00:33 jas_ i haven't investigated the wikis much, always relied on lua_api.txt instead -- i tried the wiki in the beginning, but didn't take me long to realize it was out of sync with lua_api.txt 00:34 jas_ so this is good, important work. i am hopeful for the dev wiki now. 00:34 jas_ i always did want to help with at least filling the articles with pictures and examples 00:34 jas_ should be fun 00:36 bigfoot547 Okay 00:36 Shara There are silly random pages on the wiki. Like people posting pages about the own servers and things. 00:36 bigfoot547 I'm gonna start adding things to SSM category 00:37 bigfoot547 Yeah 00:37 bigfoot547 and mod pages 00:37 jas_ Shara: that's on the regular wiki? again, i'm uncertain the division between dev and regular minetest wikis 00:37 bigfoot547 If you want a list of mods, go to the forums lol 00:37 Shara jas_: Yea. We talked about that a bit earlier, but I think it was before you got here 00:37 jas_ in my mind,i always wondered why they were separate in the first place. but if there's mod pages, and server pages on regular wiki, that's good for at least posterity 00:37 Shara bigfoot547: my thought too 00:38 jas_ i'm really only interesting in dev wiki, to start. 00:39 jas_ i noticed a lot of new modders work off the dev wiki, sometimes without knowing about lua_api.txt 00:40 Shara A wiki is a lot more approachable :) 00:45 jas_ i've got to go to work, but i wanted to leave this here for later: 00:46 jas_ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page 00:46 jas_ (i believe, this can be used with git hooks.) 01:03 bigfoot547 Should dev not be https? 01:10 bigfoot547 Oh boy 01:10 bigfoot547 I am starting on Category:Methods 01:10 bigfoot547 and marking as SSM/CSM as applicable 01:12 bigfoot547 oop 01:12 bigfoot547 We have a missing page :P 01:13 bigfoot547 Tile Animation definition should be on the worklist 01:13 bigfoot547 That makes me think 01:14 bigfoot547 I'm gonna make a worklist page 01:14 bigfoot547 or naaah 01:14 bigfoot547 yeah 01:14 bigfoot547 I will 01:29 bigfoot547 Shara: Can you add this page to the topic as the worklist? http://dev.minetest.net/MinetestWiki:Worklist 01:34 Shara It would make the topic kind of long. 01:34 Shara Hmmm 01:34 Shara rubenwardy: seems you declared yourself topic setter earlier, so thoughts? 01:35 Shara I think it's a nice idea to have a central document to work from 01:35 rubenwardy Sure 01:35 rubenwardy you don't need to ask me though :) 01:35 Shara I still like to get your thoughts :P 01:39 bigfoot547 Okay 01:39 bigfoot547 so I've added a few things to Category:SSM and CSM, respectively 02:24 bigfoot547 Aw gahd 02:24 bigfoot547 I'm loosing my mind 02:24 bigfoot547 I'm gonna leave off until tomorrow 04:21 bigfoot547 *Insert witty signoff here* 09:47 Calinou hi :) 09:48 Calinou jas_: check your email for the password of the wiki account, I created it as "Jas" (MediaWiki requires the first character to be uppercase) 16:23 sofar are there folks here that can give out wiki access? 16:24 sofar if not, then, fail? 16:24 pigra_kojoto hello all 16:24 pigra_kojoto how to register in wikis? 16:25 sofar afaik the forum is still the place to ask 16:25 sofar I'm asking around to see if we can have folks in this channel also give out access 16:58 Shara sofar: Calinou usually handles it, and is here. 16:59 Shara I don't even know if there is anyone else at all who can do it 17:01 sofar kaeza? 17:02 Shara No idea. 18:56 Calinou I'm not sure if I can promote people to administrator on wiki 18:56 Calinou if I can, then you'll be able to create accounts for people :) 18:56 Calinou (it's pretty easy) 18:56 bigfoot547 ??? 18:56 bigfoot547 ohi Calinou 18:56 bigfoot547 *checks access lists* 18:56 bigfoot547 lol 19:23 Shara Hmm, based on user list, only Calinou and c55 have admin access. 19:23 Shara Not sure why I didn't just look earlier. 19:31 pigra_kojoto Calinou: why not just add registration? 23:45 jas_ so, it turns out dev.minetest.net wiki and wiki.minetest.net are two different names? 23:46 jas_ i got my Jas account on wiki.minetest.net, but doesn't seem to work on dev.minetest.net 23:46 jas_ i'm wondering what merit there is to separation 23:47 Shara jas_: yes, you need to be registered on each seperately. 23:47 jas_ ok 23:48 Shara And I still don't really have an answer for why there's two wikis. 23:49 jas_ *grin*