Time Nick Message 14:16 nerzhul did you see the IRC freenode drama ? 14:17 nerzhul pgimeno is aware as far i saw in some logs :D 14:17 nerzhul most of the communities are moving to libera. Do we plan something ? or we just stay here ? or we just use discord ? :D 14:25 nerzhul see https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad 14:28 sfan5 sure hope it won't be discord 14:28 sfan5 but it's unclear at this point 14:33 MTDiscord What is the reasoning of the those in the IRC community who hope it isn't discord? I haven't heard their position on it before; if it isn't appropriate to discuss here then please say so. 14:34 rubenwardy Matrix would also be an option, although Element is electron 14:34 sfan5 there are other, more general arguments that can be made against discord 14:34 sfan5 but the primary reason (for me) is that I'm more comfortable with my IRC client 14:35 nerzhul i'm not in favor of matrix 14:35 nerzhul we already have irc & discord 14:35 rubenwardy we already have matrix as well 14:35 nerzhul discord is unofficial but can become 14:35 rubenwardy discord is official 14:35 nerzhul ah discord is now official ? 14:35 nerzhul and matrix ? 14:36 rubenwardy well, it's officially promoted but not officially administrated 14:36 rubenwardy https://www.minetest.net/get-involved/ 14:36 nerzhul having 3 platform is pretty huge 14:36 nerzhul do we have many people here or in other irc channels ? compared to discord & matrix ? never saw matrix messages here :D 14:37 rubenwardy there are ~1500 on Discord and ~300 on Matrix 14:37 nerzhul or we can do another thing and keep dev on irc and let community on discord no ? 14:37 rubenwardy which IRC though 14:37 nerzhul honestly i don't care, i jsut want a working tech 14:37 nerzhul D 14:37 nerzhul but not 3 to 4 platforms 14:38 nerzhul for me discord is fine, and we can share richer content, better also to share client screenshots :D 14:39 nerzhul i'm already bridging IRC on my mattermost using matterbridge :p 14:59 Sokomine please keep it to some form of irc. discord is a horribly bloated program, not open source, not trustworthy 15:00 nerzhul haha 15:00 hlqkj +1 15:18 MTDiscord Moving from Freenode to Libera seems the most straightforward to me 15:18 MTDiscord Since it's run by (most?) of the resigned Freenode staff 15:22 celeron55 i think it's quite wild how easily people involved in free software development are giving up their freedoms and going to discord 15:23 MTDiscord Can we avoid the Discord vs IRC fight? They are both good technology with lots of issues. 15:24 celeron55 well, it was already started 15:24 MTDiscord Thats no reason to continue :] 15:24 celeron55 but anyway, the MT IRC channels will follow the freenode staff, eventually 15:25 celeron55 i fully expect freenode to basically crumble and die if the ownership and staff changes so there won't be much choice than go to where the staff went 15:25 MTDiscord Switching to Libera is as simple as a few config changes, right? 15:25 celeron55 but it's still ongoing, no sense making any moves yet 15:26 celeron55 yeah it's the same thing at a different domain and servers 15:27 celeron55 with a different name 15:41 MTDiscord It is a new network though, so new registrations and channel namespaces will have to be done 16:26 nerzhul celeron55, i suggest that you create channels there with ownership 16:26 nerzhul in case of :) 16:26 nerzhul Benrob0329: yeah i had registered my new nick, this one is pretty old on freenode :D 18:57 clavi What is the reasoning of the those in the IRC community who hope it isn't discord? 18:57 clavi https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord 18:57 clavi good writeup 18:59 MTDiscord Not everything in life needs to be open source...my MT server is NOT open source does this means it is by any means a BAD server now? I doubt it 19:01 MTDiscord Also, just because I use something doesnt mean I completely trust the owner/maker. 19:03 MTDiscord Well I guess you have to 'trust' the service enough to at least believe that it will not do anything malicious with your data 19:03 celeron55 by using free software, you remove the need to trust the owner, especially in the long term 19:04 MTDiscord Correct, which is why free software can be great 19:04 celeron55 imagine freenode using proprietary software 19:06 celeron55 data of course is a separate concern, altough there's some strong legislation for it in europe 19:12 * Sokomine compares the attitude of ihrfussel regarding freedom of that of discord...and decides that ihrfussels server is ok to be on, but discord not 19:21 rubenwardy servers don't run code on the client, so his server isn't open nor closed source 19:30 MTDiscord Thank you for sharing that writeup clavi. 19:36 Seirdy ooh are we sharing writeups? 19:36 Seirdy this one applies 100% to discord: https://seirdy.one/2021/01/27/whatsapp-and-the-domestication-of-users.html 19:36 Seirdy there's a follow-up post at the bottom that voices concerns with matrix as well 19:42 MTDiscord I didn't even touch the c++ engine code on my server but what I meant is that my mods at least are closed source so nobody really knows what's going on behind the scenes and users have to trust me that I didn't find some security hole or whatever 20:19 pgimeno the web version of discord is open source, as all JS is, it's just not free. Open source means pretty much nothing. 20:24 pgimeno and I find this ironic: i think it's quite wild how easily people involved in free software development are giving up their freedoms and going to discord 20:24 pgimeno s/going to discord/staying on github/ and you have my position 20:29 celeron55 well i'm moving, i'm just slow 20:39 sfan5 damn just tried the dynamic shadows PR and it's firstly super impressive 20:39 sfan5 and on very high it reduces my client to like 15fps and introduce quite a bit of input lag 20:39 sfan5 hopefully that doesn't apply to lower modes 20:39 MTDiscord Depends entirely on the hardware 20:40 MTDiscord Source Available != Open Source (yes I know I'm sending this through the bridge, I'm on a phone) 20:40 MTDiscord My system struggles on medium settings 20:40 sfan5 Ryzen 5 2600 | GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 20:41 * Sokomine hopefully wields an old celeron g1610 with igp 20:41 Sokomine view range has improved considerably on my old hardware in the last few years 20:42 * cheapie digs around a bit, pulls out a box with VIA "Chrome9 HD" integrated graphics 20:42 cheapie OpenGL 1.4 here we come! 23:31 LoneWolfHT I can just handle it on High settings 23:32 MTDiscord sfan5: my M1 MacBook Air handles it fine at 1440p