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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2019-10-13

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09:13 Wuzzy When will version 5.1.1 be released so the translations can be fixed? (Weblate was never properly (!) updated)
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09:55 ANAND Bumpity-bump, #8271. Simple PR; already has one approval.
09:55 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8271 -- Fix breath statbar scaling; defer breath_bar hiding by one second by ClobberXD
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10:51 Krock Wuzzy: ask est31 or SN
10:51 Wuzzy SN?
10:52 Wuzzy i am also confused
10:52 Wuzzy how could this even have happened in the first place?
10:52 Wuzzy "update weblate" is a checkpoint in the release checklist
10:52 Wuzzy whats the point of the release checklit if its not used? 🙁
10:54 Wuzzy ShadowNinja: weblate is stuck on 5.0.0, so 5.1.0 released with old translations 🙁
10:54 Wuzzy Will there be a patch release?
10:54 Wuzzy A core dev correctly pulled the strings *from* weblate, but the source strings on weblate itself were never updated.
10:55 Wuzzy So all the translators worked on 5.0.0 translations, not 5.1.0 translations
10:55 Wuzzy It is my fault this has happened. I have noticed from the start that weblate did not updated but I just assumed you will notice it and just update
10:56 Wuzzy My assumption was wrong, obviously
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11:10 Krock well, I hope your rage will be heard
11:10 Krock unlike my attempts to update Weblate
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11:35 sfan5 Wuzzy: the issue isn't that we forgot to do the "update weblate" thing on the release checklist
11:35 sfan5 when the translations were updated many months ago, weblate wasn't updated
11:36 sfan5 but thta's not part of the release checklist or doesn't happen in connection to a new release
11:37 sfan5 this should answer your "how could this even happen?" and "why aren't you reading the release checklist??!"
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15:07 sfan5 merging #9043 in a few mins
15:07 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9043 -- Fix rotate_node to return the correct itemstack. by Warr1024
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16:18 Wuzzy sfan5: i still dont understand
16:18 Wuzzy you say you didnt forget it when in fact, you did?
16:19 Wuzzy sfan5: is weblate not supposed to be updated? how is it *intended* to be updated?
16:19 Wuzzy Krock: ? what you mean
16:20 Krock >we< can't update it
16:20 Wuzzy ?????
16:20 Wuzzy wtf
16:20 Wuzzy why not
16:20 Wuzzy is weblate broken again?
16:20 Krock ffs please read the PR and issue comments again
16:21 Wuzzy oh sorry. i just returned hom
16:23 Wuzzy wellll. looks like the only way out is to self-host, then? 😀
16:23 Wuzzy or just force all translators to do PRs again
16:23 Wuzzy (yuck)
16:23 Wuzzy I wish I would have been part of this discussion. 🙁
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17:06 Wuzzy Krock: Do I undertand right the Weblate Minetest project is controlled only by est31, which you weren't able to contact? So you tried to fix it all by yourselves, failed, and then gave up. Is this correct?
17:07 Wuzzy ("you" = all core devs)
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17:08 sfan5 the last part is oversimplified
17:08 Wuzzy okay ...
17:08 Wuzzy what's the truth then?
17:09 sfan5 what we tried to (and did) do is import the correct translations from weblite despite them being out of date
17:09 Wuzzy yeah, i saw that commit
17:10 Wuzzy strange how i completely missed the entire discussion. oh well. i was probably too busy with hedgewars, haha
17:10 sfan5 the part we "gave up" on is making sure translators have a chance to update for 5.1, since that would involve waiting for a weblate admin, giving translators a few (or more) days to translate and then importing them again
17:10 Wuzzy i bet it caught you completely by surprise that est31 disappeared
17:10 Wuzzy normally it would be like this?:
17:10 Wuzzy ping est31. est31 updates. everyone happy
17:11 Wuzzy right?
17:11 sfan5 I don't know how previous translation updates were handeled
17:11 Wuzzy i agree adding an addtional waiting time would have been annoying as well.
17:11 sfan5 presumably it worked like that
17:11 Wuzzy oofff
17:11 Krock they were force pushed to weblate
17:11 Wuzzy by whom?
17:11 Krock full from weblate, update. force push
17:12 Krock est31, I believe
17:12 Wuzzy why force push?
17:12 Krock s/full/pull/
17:12 Krock merge & push rather. the pulled changes from weblate are usually squashed
17:13 Wuzzy hmmm i guess the whole "how to update source strings in weblate" ought to be documented. will happily write it down in dev wiki as soon i understand how
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17:13 Wuzzy hi
17:13 Krock fact is that the both clones don't have the identical history
17:13 Wuzzy hmmmmm
17:14 Wuzzy i have the feeling that weblate is not supposed to be force-pushed to all the time. probably i should read the manual...
17:14 Wuzzy i also noticed that minetest *always* has this little "warning triangle" icon in weblate
17:15 Wuzzy Is there are reason why only est31 is handed out the keys to weblate?
17:18 Wuzzy I hereby revert my previous translation rage: $ git revert rage
17:19 Wuzzy basically you were just unlucky. I previously assumed it was due to incompetence. I was wrong for assuming that. Sorry for that.
17:19 Wuzzy and the decisoin to not delay release any further is understandable
17:34 paramat =) thanks
17:35 paramat i will take care of #9040 late tonight and merge as trivial
17:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9040 -- Text mistakes in settingtypes.txt
17:45 Lone_Wolf Hope this is readable https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8577#issuecomment-541440038
17:48 Wuzzy it is readable
18:01 paramat replied, i was wrong sorry
18:09 Lone_Wolf k, creating that issue
18:09 Lone_Wolf What's IhrFussel's IRC nick?
18:11 Krock IhrFussel
18:11 Krock np. you're welcome.
18:11 Wuzzy surprise! 😀
18:13 Lone_Wolf Didn't want to accidentally ping someone that got the name before them
18:19 Lone_Wolf Issue created. Lot simpler than I thought in the end: #9046
18:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9046 -- Allow players to change darkness at night
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18:28 Wuzzy Now that it has been revealed that a part of the release process (namely, weblate source string update) depends on very few people, this makes me wonder:
18:28 Wuzzy Are there any other parts of the release process that can go up in flames if a Single Point of Failure person disappears?
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21:50 sagax hi all!
21:51 sagax how to start minetest play? because in default mode i don't know - how to craft anything!
21:51 sagax maybe we have `musthave` mods? addons?
22:08 paramat please ask in #minetest channel, this channel is for development only
22:09 sagax thanks
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