Time  Nick           Message
13:19 sfan5          paramat: no, hasn't been said; it's fixed now
13:26 Gael-de-Sailly it still doesn't work
13:36 sfan5          turns out starting ilbot before mysql does not work out too well
14:08 paramat        thanks
14:09 paramat        works
18:34 paramat        so about #7483 , it seems just one issue remains, const stuff, the author is not willing to work on that. is anyone able to attend to this issue to get this merged? nerzhul maybe?
18:34 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7483 -- Move touchscreen input handling to base GUIModalMenu class by stujones11
18:35 paramat        and #7395 , breaks network compat so needs to be merged before 5.0.0, good feature. i have posted testing code in the thread
18:35 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7395 -- Add Lua methods 'set_rotation()' and 'get_rotation()' by CoderForTheBetter
18:36 paramat        both of those already have 1 approval
19:18 sofar          had a short discussion in #flatpak
19:18 sofar          could we, for 5.0, consider following XDG?
19:18 sofar          iow move from ~/.minetest to XDG_DATA_HOME etc
19:26 sfan5          sofar: it's possible to do this in a non-breaking fashion
19:27 sofar          moving to a new, empty folder structure can be non-breaking, yes
19:28 VanessaE       oh G*d no
19:30 T4im           i wouldn't mind if the cache lands in $XDG_CACHE_HOME/minetest/
19:30 T4im           backuping reasons
19:30 sfan5          it already does
19:31 sofar          yeah, we already put cache there :)
19:31 T4im           :D nice
19:31 T4im           ah, but only if the env variable is set?
19:31 T4im           i don't have a .cache/minetest yet
19:32 T4im           ah, probably just messed my local config up here, nvm
19:32 sofar          bad WM/user session program
19:33 paramat        best done after 5.0.0. dev is so slow even the few blockers we have will take a long time to clear
19:33 sfan5          we should start merging some more features actually
19:33 sfan5          there's so many finished PRs sitting idle
19:36 sofar          the only time to do this is with 5.0
19:36 sofar          there is no doing it after
19:38 paramat        why? (sorry if i don't understand)
19:39 sofar          it's an invasive step to move everything
19:40 sofar          I wouldn't ever do that unless it was a major revision
19:41 paramat        ok
19:43 paramat        there are some MT issues that discuss XDG
19:45 paramat        well, maybe just one, #5217
19:45 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5217 -- Change save folder to ~/.local/share/minetest on *NIX platforms
23:25 VanessaE       what is even the benefit to MT?
23:51 p_gimeno       not making users angry by polluting their home directory
23:52 jacky          and conforming to XDG standards
23:53 VanessaE       lesse,  .minetest, and... dot...um....
23:53 p_gimeno       $ ls -1 ~/.[!.]* | wc -l
23:53 p_gimeno       3661
23:54 VanessaE       I mean, it's a single dir.
23:54 p_gimeno       each of these 3661 is a single dir, too
23:54 T4im           that's what each of those ~3500 projects is thinking :D
23:54 p_gimeno       ^
23:54 VanessaE       whether it's in ~ or ~/.local/share it's still the same thing.
23:57 p_gimeno       it would, if I looked there, but I don't. However I look in my home often.
23:57 jacky          one is meant for general usage and other for more app-specific stuff
23:57 jacky          like yeah plates go in the kitchen
23:57 VanessaE       and you ls -la.... why?
23:57 jacky          but they don't go on the dining table when you dry them
23:58 jacky          [/b qen
23:58 * jacky        continues to fail to computer
23:58 VanessaE       when I first got into *nix, XDG was not a thing.  ~/.foo *was* how you do it.