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ANAND |
rubenwardy: That would be great, thanks |
| 01:28 |
ANAND |
I'm surprised this hasn't been reported before though... o.O |
| 01:30 |
thoughtjigs |
#7445 |
| 01:30 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7445 -- Xorg/net wm pid by thoughtjigs |
| 01:30 |
thoughtjigs |
@nerzhul do you need to aprove the above before it can be merged? |
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Edgy1 |
<Edgy1> larrythecow, so i switched from Linux Mint to Debian on a server i host |
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Edgy1 |
<Edgy1> also switched from 0.4.16 to 0.4.17.1 stable |
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Edgy1 |
<Edgy1> i'm having problems with the server timing out a lot for no reason. also rollback doesnt work, the server completely times out and is useless until i restart if i try to use rollback |
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johnnyjoy |
Sorry to interrupt. I'm about to spend a great deal of time looking into SRP to see if it can use leverage existing accounts in LDAP, similar to Active Directory.. Research in the last 24hrs has turned next to nothing. Does anyone know if this is just not possible, or is someone has already looked into this? |
| 14:08 |
sfan5 |
unless you store your passwords in an SRP format compatible to minetest (or in plaintext), there's not much chance for this |
| 14:14 |
johnnyjoy |
What a shame. Seems like a crippling incompatibility in the software world. It seems so normal just to plug into any auth system there is. |
| 14:15 |
johnnyjoy |
Maybe there is a possibility of having the client negotiate authentication mechanisms with the server, opening up the possibility of an actual authentication handler mod? |
| 14:43 |
sfan5 |
the client does support auth negotiation on the protocol level, however the only mechanism supported is SRP |
| 14:43 |
paramat |
rubenwardy any reason to keep #6538 open? |
| 14:43 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6538 -- Formspec: Allow 'position[]' anywhere, just like backgrounds |
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paramat |
please can core devs look at issues marked 'possible close' and add their opinions and/or judge whether the issue is worth keeping open? |
| 14:52 |
paramat |
we need to do this more to keep issue number under control |
| 14:53 |
sfan5 |
johnnyjoy: since you're talking about a school situation on the forums: schools probably have the plaintext password anyway, so you could create a centralized database of srp hashes generated from the plaintext passwords and then make mt use that |
| 14:55 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: That is a great idea, but the whole school district here is run by a very good Linux team using think clients on the desktops. The are using a LDAP and have never stored a single password in clear text. |
| 14:56 |
sfan5 |
oh do students choose their passwords themselves? |
| 14:56 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: I'm not sure. They might. |
| 14:56 |
sfan5 |
ah that ruins this system |
| 14:57 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: It doesn't really matter. Most places are going to a federated login system usig SAML or oauth. |
| 14:58 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: Honestly most software has some kind of auth layer that allows for a large number of options for authentication. It seems like a huge flaw that MT doesn't meet that standard. |
| 14:59 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: I have worked out the problem for my situation, but it helps almost nobody else sadly. |
| 14:59 |
sfan5 |
"most software" also sends the password of the network in plain-text |
| 15:00 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: I will have people sign up only via a web site, and when they do a SRP hash will be created at that time, along with the normal hash. |
| 15:00 |
sfan5 |
mt would have supported all of this if it wasn't for SRP |
| 15:00 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: most software does send the password in clear text over an encrypted connection. |
| 15:01 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: I understand that without SRP MT wouldn't be secure and any sniffer on the net could take all the passwords. |
| 15:02 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: SRP as a solution is great. But, as a singular solution is limiting. |
| 15:02 |
sfan5 |
true |
| 15:02 |
sfan5 |
perhaps sending the raw password can be re-implemented, but disabled by default |
| 15:03 |
sfan5 |
then schools could deploy mt with this enabled and still have their LDAP integration |
| 15:03 |
johnnyjoy |
sfan5: Imagine having an option to use TLS with plain text passwords using a self signed cert as an option. |
| 15:03 |
johnnyjoy |
I see MT as one of the most amazing things children in poor areas of the world can experience. |
| 15:04 |
johnnyjoy |
They might not have any actual toys, but MT gives them something to play with that can be even better. |
| 15:05 |
johnnyjoy |
My own son was never social at all, but playing online changed all that and change his entire life for the better. He's a very different person. |
| 15:05 |
johnnyjoy |
Never doubt that your work makes a difference. |
| 15:10 |
johnnyjoy |
Thanks sfan5. I'm going to get coffee and create my interim solution, then look into serverpackethandler.cpp to see how server can offer up different auth options to the client. It might be more than I can time to get to, but I'm going to look. Take care. |
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| 15:49 |
thoughtjigs |
johnnyjoy, sfan5: auth was the majority of what I did at pokemon. I would be happy to take a look at it. Is there an issue number? |
| 15:49 |
sfan5 |
no issue open for this afaik |
| 15:53 |
thoughtjigs |
ok, I'll go take a look at the source and create an issue ... probably a discussuion issue first. |
| 15:54 |
thoughtjigs |
sfan5: with my Xorg stuff ... what needs to happen next? |
| 15:54 |
sfan5 |
some other devs needs to merge the pr |
| 15:55 |
sfan5 |
s/devs/dev/ obviously |
| 15:56 |
thoughtjigs |
should I ping someone in particular? |
| 15:58 |
sfan5 |
no, you can however ping Krock or nerzhul since both are active with developing the C++ part |
| 16:14 |
thoughtjigs |
Ok, thanks |
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celeron55 |
it seems fine to me but i don't know much about X11 |
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celeron55 |
(and can't test at the moment) |
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| 16:45 |
thoughtjigs |
celeron55: Thanks for reviewing! |
| 16:49 |
celeron55 |
that wasn't much of a review, lol |
| 16:52 |
thoughtjigs |
lol, well 5 minutes from the one and only celeron55 should be worth several hours from any other dev ... right?!? :-D |
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| 17:34 |
paramat |
#7455 seems good now |
| 17:34 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7455 -- Remove deprecated functions from menu_lua_api.txt by ClobberXD |
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paramat |
another excellent mapgen feature/optimisation #7456 |
| 19:25 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7456 -- Decoration API: Add lightweight ability to have complete coverage by paramat |
| 19:28 |
paramat |
oh forgot docs .. |
| 19:29 |
paramat |
=s |
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paramat |
done |
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