Time Nick Message 00:43 proller__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ua34JYMUY 02:51 paramat cubic planets are better ;) 06:34 nerzhul at least they have 60 fps with a very high range 06:36 nerzhul sfan5 i'm stucked with #7409 06:36 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7409 -- Android: ogg build error 06:36 nerzhul if you got any idea, you're welcome :) 06:43 nerzhul i think i should switch to clang 06:44 nerzhul and backport the build Makefile from master 07:06 sfan5 hm, I haven't seen this error before 07:14 nerzhul with the backport it choose the gcc 4.9 too... erf 07:15 nerzhul i really need time to finish the gradle cmake build at a point 08:32 VanessaE so... M$ *is* going to buy github. apparently they've reached an agreement. 09:26 nerzhul yeah, we will see if there is an announcement today 09:26 nerzhul gitlab graphs show they have increased from 10 imports per 10 minutes to 3000 09:26 nerzhul :D 09:40 celeron55 i think a reasonable thing to do is to try to avoid getting stuck in github due to github specific features, other than that whatever 09:45 celeron55 i think MS now has a track record of buying stuff and using it as-is in a preservative way that makes it uncompetitive in the long term so MT is bound to jump to something else after some years 09:47 celeron55 might be even looking at a timespan of 10 years or more 10:11 VanessaE poor gitlab is buckling under the strain :) 10:12 VanessaE I think I just heard a tiny little scream, "help meeeeeeeeeee"....and I don't even have audio enabled on that site :) 10:12 ANAND lol :P 10:13 VanessaE but no, MS still does their standard embrace-extend-extinguish. 10:13 VanessaE (look at the mess they made of Skype) 10:26 nerzhul celeron55, it's why we have both CI on minetest, and we have a cloned group on gitlab.com 10:27 nerzhul if needed, we can re-use the gitlab importer after dropping the project to re-import up-to-date PR & issue lists 11:49 celeron55 VanessaE: i think they're just incompetent, not evil 11:49 VanessaE perhaps 11:49 celeron55 the end result is similar though 11:49 VanessaE in any case, MS is just.... I wouldn't trust them to pour me a glass of water. 11:50 celeron55 i'd trust them to pour me a glass of water if they just bought a water pouring company in the past few years 11:51 celeron55 before or after that, not really 11:52 VanessaE heh 11:53 celeron55 nerzhul: yeah it's pretty good (maybe we should mention it on a download page or something now that somebody might care about it) 11:56 nerzhul i mentionned gitlab daily builds on the forum, it works pretty well, we have windows and linux daily packages with it currently 11:57 nerzhul at least we should wait for the MS or GH announce, and if majority of coredevs agree we should open a poll to major contributors/community, verify if all our prerequisites are okay for gitlab and let's go 12:08 celeron55 well i don't think we should move until the day that MS actually breaks something 12:10 nerzhul OSS projects are not affected by MS action, as the code is already public 12:11 nerzhul but it can be time to open a discussion about the git repository in the community. Gitlab has many interesting features which can be interesting and community discussion about it can be nice, maybe open an issue on the repo to make the discussion interesting :) 12:12 nerzhul the web ide is very nice to edit a MR easily when you should edit a thing heh 12:51 lisac Krock: for #7008 documentation, do you think it's enough to just link the Irrlicht Wiki article, or actually copy that information into the file? 12:51 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- [WIP] Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk 12:52 Krock lisac, we don't have to document stuff from other libraries 12:52 Krock it's Irrlicht's job to provide it so it's usable 12:58 lisac so I should just link it? 12:59 Krock yes. We also do that in minetest.conf.example and probably also in the c++ code where it becomes important 13:08 Fixer this needs builds too https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable 13:08 Fixer for 0.4.17 13:10 Fixer playstore version needs update too 13:11 Fixer fdroid not updated itself yet 13:12 Fixer Also, we need AppImage badly, poke Calinou 13:12 Krock Fixer, notified est31 about it 13:22 lisac Krock: I fixed the docs 13:23 Krock is it still WIP? 13:25 lisac I don't think so 13:25 lisac it's mostly done IMO 13:51 nerzhul wow 7.5 billion 13:51 nerzhul it's confirmed 14:10 nerzhul web#132 is good for me 14:10 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/132 -- Minetest is available for OpenBSD too! by mazocomp 14:12 Calinou Fixer: would we build it on GitLab CI? 14:13 Fixer Calinou: why not? you wanted to do that 14:13 Fixer nerzhul: 7,5 billion USD? There is no bubble... 14:14 nerzhul it's in actions 14:15 Calinou Fixer: sorry, I'm very busy these days due to university 14:16 Krock lisac, squashed your commits and rebased the branch to guarantee successful testing with the patch applied 14:16 Krock testing now 15:31 lisac thanks Krock 15:38 Krock yw 18:43 est31 hello 18:43 est31 just want to drop by here as Krock asked me to do the launchpad builds 18:44 est31 https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+recipe/minetest-stable 18:44 est31 set them up, it should build 0.4.17 for you 18:44 est31 hopefully I haven't missed anything if yes ping me 18:44 est31 (in pm) 18:44 est31 bye! 18:52 nerzhul bye est31 19:40 paramat i agree with c55, wait as long as possible and see what happens. panic migration now or soon would be bad due to how it is overloading other git sites 19:45 p_gimeno no matter what happens, I'm going to withdraw my PRs. I may resubmit them to GitLab if/when Minetest is migrated. 19:46 twoelk doesn't sound sensible 19:49 p_gimeno right now I'm busy moving most of my repos to notabug.org; not sure if minetest qualifies as too big for them, I don't think so but if it does, I'll just remove it from GH. 19:55 paramat ? if you do that you are harming MT, it will be many months before the MS deal is completed anyway 19:56 VanessaE paramat: it's completed today. 19:56 rubenwardy no, it's not 19:56 rubenwardy it's announced today 19:56 paramat i can understand not opening new PRs though :) 19:57 VanessaE oh. still, I doubt "many months" is accurate 19:57 paramat i read 'completed by the end of the year' 19:57 VanessaE huh. 19:57 rubenwardy "I am very excited to announce that Microsoft is acquiring GitHub and expect the agreement to close by the end of the year. While it will still take a few months to finalize, we wanted to share the news as soon as we were able." 19:57 VanessaE I stand corrected then 19:58 twoelk yep let's abandon ship as soon as we see an iceberg on the horizon 19:59 VanessaE twoelk: it's MS. that's not an iceberg, it's Mt. Everest. 19:59 * twoelk sadly strokes his old nokia in memory of better times 20:00 Krock Would you please consider moving over to #-hub to discuss the MS topic further? 20:00 paramat hmm, is it possible to leave GH and have your PRs remain? if not we can always copy your diffs for someone else to work on, if you agree 20:01 paramat it's on topic 20:03 twoelk needed info for decision making relevant to working for mt :D 20:03 Krock it might be for the future of Minetest but it's best to wait a while to see what happens. It's not needed to discuss it yet 20:04 Krock well, at least not for a large project like Minetest 20:05 twoelk we need -keep-calm-dont-panic- signs 20:07 p_gimeno paramat, I think just setting up the new repo as remote and fetching works just fine 20:08 p_gimeno anyone is welcome to do that once I complete the move, of course - the code's license is that of MT so the patches are also free software 20:08 p_gimeno you only lose the convenience of the PR mechanism 20:15 paramat ok i see 20:22 celeron55 yeah don't panic please, MT will move when there's an actual reason to, luckily that will take time 20:33 nerzhul oh no panic from me :) 20:34 nerzhul Krock: #7394 has been updated like requested 20:35 nerzhul as* 20:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7394 -- Modernize lua read (part 1): C++ templating insurance by nerzhul 20:36 Krock nerzhul, probably should've approved it instead of just adding a thumbs up reaction :3 20:36 nerzhul lol :) don't hesitate to do the regular approval then heh 20:37 Krock there we go. looking forward to the next parts 20:37 nerzhul heh merging then 20:37 nerzhul i will find the next type victim :) 20:47 lumberJ Should the blurb on the minetest repo on github match the one on minetest.net? 21:18 nerzhul Krock: part 2 #7410 21:18 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7410 -- Modernize lua read (part 2): C++ templating assurance by nerzhul 21:21 Krock will check tomorrow 21:21 nerzhul nice :) 21:22 p_gimeno oh, I'm not panicking, I'm storming out :) 21:23 p_gimeno MT can do whatever is deemed convenient by the devs, I'm just out 21:23 p_gimeno (of GH, of course) 21:32 nerzhul paramat, Krock #7411 :) 21:32 ShadowBot nerzhul: Error: Delimiter not found in "HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway" 21:32 nerzhul GH is now moving to azure and IIS and C# 21:32 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_modpack -> Unicorn error wat 21:33 nerzhul GH is crashing :p 21:33 VanessaE oops, sorry, didn't notice this was -dev 21:33 nerzhul #7411 21:33 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7411 -- CSM/SSM: Add on_mods_loaded callback by nerzhul 21:33 nerzhul it got a 405 not allowed too opening this PR :) 21:34 entuland works for me 21:34 entuland but I guess github is getting overloaded by the migration as well 21:34 nerzhul i don't know :) 21:34 VanessaE the conspiracy theorist in me says GH is trying to throttle because of the mass migration 21:35 entuland that wouldn't surprise me the least :) 21:35 entuland ms specialists are waist-deep in there already for sure. They're knew something would have happened with the sale 21:35 paramat 7411 nice 21:37 nerzhul i think they launch their IA to steal the whole code repositories from private companies heh 21:38 rubenwardy worth noting that unless this blows over, we could lose quite a few contributors to this 21:38 rubenwardy it's probably a bad idea to be use a proprietary platform anyway 21:39 rubenwardy although 21:40 rubenwardy we've probably lost a few of the really big foss-zealots already 21:40 rubenwardy and "lost" is subjective 21:41 nerzhul FOSS terrorists should only contribute to GNU :p 21:41 p_gimeno if someone has the means to host it, there's gogs (it's the engine powering notabug.org, which is where I'm migrating) 21:41 nerzhul and FOSS terrorist are not the best developers in the world, best developers works for GAFA or huge proprietary companies (except torvalds), redhat included 21:42 nerzhul gogs is not production grade for a CI environment 21:42 nerzhul it's good for tiny projects but it's not as mature as gitlab for integration & features 21:44 p_gimeno well, if someone has the means to host it *and* pay for it, there's gitlab ofc 21:45 paramat not surprised GH is hit by the migration, fools are causing problems for everyone. fact is GH will probably be unchanged for a few months 21:45 celeron55 rubenwardy: you'd also have lost by not being on github as it's the biggest platform 21:45 rubenwardy ah true 21:46 rubenwardy this is why we need decentralised git hosts 21:46 rubenwardy not that will ever happen 21:47 celeron55 well you can just adjust your remote to wherever the repo happens to be located at, access control on the server side for pushing just is a hassle 21:47 celeron55 and of course issue tracking and PRs and such are potential hassles 21:47 p_gimeno personally, I don't want to be part of any statistics that MS can manipulate, it's not about whether it changes or not, I don't care about that. They have already manipulated the statistics to say that they are the biggest contributors to GH. And people are probably buying it. 21:48 celeron55 of course submodules and such also don't play nicely necessarily 21:49 celeron55 of course nothing they say is trustworthy; they have teams of people paid just to come up with lies 21:49 celeron55 just like any corporation 21:50 nerzhul yeah, the main problem is GH is the FB of the code, everybody should be on there to contribute, decentralized is quite nice, but you should good a sufficiently big platform to ensure contributors are not affraid 21:51 nerzhul at least gitlab permits to use github login it's a cool features permittings contributors to easily move