Time  Nick       Message
11:30 JDCodeIt   0.5.0 changed the way minetest looks for mods to load on the server. Used to be that you put a line in world.mt - what is the new mechanism?
11:49 sfan5      did it?
13:09 JDCodeIt   Thought I read that somewhere. Maybe not.
14:37 paramat    nerzhul nore rubenwardy sfan5 Shara sofar maybe a meeting at 19:00 CEST / 18:00 BST / 17:00 UTC? apparently we're suppposed to complete 0.4.17 this weekend :3
14:38 sfan5      are we?
14:40 nerzhul    paramat exact it's the goal for a release next week if i remember
14:56 JDCodeIt   Somebody said April 15
14:56 paramat    well we don't have to complete it this weekend, there wasn't much agreement to do so last meeting. but lets work towards that
14:57 paramat    yes release tomorrow was mentioned, but too soon
14:57 Shara      I probably won't be around, but that's okay
14:58 rubenwardy this is why it's stupid to announce it before the freeze
15:00 rubenwardy freeze is the wrong word, but the period of time when all fixes are merged in and it's being checked
15:00 rubenwardy like, I can run it on my server in that time
15:01 rubenwardy this is a bad weekend for me anyway, I have coursework due in on Monday
15:02 paramat    ok
15:02 paramat    maybe freeze next weekend then
15:03 paramat    game#2108 is ready
15:03 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2108 -- Biomes: Remove some warm and humid biomes at altitude by paramat
15:21 paramat    and #7234 is ready
15:21 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7234 -- FOV: Raise lower limit to avoid zoom-loading distant world by paramat
15:24 dell00     Is this where the MT devs discuss the development of MT?
15:26 shivajiva  yep
15:26 dell00     Cool.
15:30 Shara      paramat: I'm still really unsure about game#2108
15:30 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2108 -- Biomes: Remove some warm and humid biomes at altitude by paramat
15:31 Shara      I have been wondering if, instead of removing biomes, you should think about changing decorations with height
15:35 paramat    the rainforest floor would be unsuitable at high altitudes as it is rainforest litter. but yes i am not certain about the PR
15:36 paramat    it might be good to have all biomes at all altitudes, for certain resources
15:37 paramat    if you think about how mapgen parameters can create terrain all the way up to world top
15:39 paramat    ranforest doesn't make sense with low tree density, and would no longer be rainforest biome
15:39 paramat    maybe it's best i delay this PR to think further ..
15:43 shivajiva  wondering if setting player gravity by a command would bypass the VIP requirement to fly on ios for players with the fly priv, any thoughts?
15:44 sfan5      you mean like setting gravity to 0?
15:44 shivajiva  yea
15:44 sfan5      should work
15:44 paramat    actually the original PR was opened and closed 4 times, it's always been uncertain :]
15:45 shivajiva  on that basis I'll give it a go and report back
15:50 JDCodeIt   Is Eclipse a good IDE for minetest development, or do you recommend something else. Nano and lots of grep works, but meh.
16:42 paramat    #7240
16:42 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7240 -- Android: Add zoom, minimap, and toggle chat button by srifqi
19:20 nerzhul    JDCodelt: use QTcreator or Clion
20:34 shivajiva  my conclusion is it's simply not viable until mt has player:add_velocity(table)
20:54 paramat    flying by using gravity?
20:55 paramat    i can see it would be fiddly to control
20:56 paramat    how about giving those players flying vehicles (invisible ones)?
21:04 rubenwardy shivajiva: you could attach to an entity then read player controls
21:09 paramat    exactly
21:10 rubenwardy will be glitchy though
21:35 shivajiva  yup and detaching causes the player to come to a stop
21:37 shivajiva  entity has to have health that matches player and that has to be transferred to the player on damage
21:37 shivajiva  not viable
21:43 celeron55  just find a remote code execution vulnerability in that version of the client 8)
21:43 shivajiva  lol :P
21:44 shivajiva  thanks c55 I needed to laugh =)
21:45 celeron55  truely server-defined games for once
21:46 shivajiva  so what's the big deal with adding velocity to a player?
21:47 shivajiva  excuse my ignorance
21:52 shivajiva  guess it's because the client can ignore it
21:52 paramat    see #2960
21:52 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2960 -- Add set_player_velocity method
22:05 shivajiva  I see, it's because we don't have the physics complexity for it :/
22:06 paramat    erm, well i think it's because players don't really have a velocity
22:06 rubenwardy networking*
22:07 JDCodeIt   "space" usually has a lot of nothing before something interesting, so how would you manage the block loading when far from something interesting that you might want to see? And when you are near, not so much block loading?
22:09 paramat    exactly
22:09 paramat    and we can't render distant stuff in lower detail yet
22:10 paramat    (although farmap did)
22:11 paramat    but i could live with that
22:14 shivajiva  that puts it into perspective
22:16 paramat    also, generating all the distant stuff would be slow and intensive
22:19 paramat    on this subject, i might work on biome-definable air nodes soon
22:21 shivajiva  like fog and haze?
22:31 paramat    yes or vacuum or alien atmosphere
22:38 paramat    being able to 'do space' has been in celeron55's roadmap for years. hmmmm and i agreed to add definable air nodes 2 years ago
22:39 paramat    it's the only node you can't define in a biome