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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2017-12-02

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10:19 ensonic sofar, minetest_game had some textures that are WTFPL, which is not really a license, at least one is super easy to replace (default/textures/default_gravel.png), the carts one are more complicated though
10:21 Krock huh? It is a license. Just not the optimal one in terms of the warranty disclaimer
10:24 ensonic Krock, did you ever read it, it is not meant as a serious license
10:24 Krock sofar, the rather new carts model seems to have a visual problem with slopes: https://i.imgur.com/f7nhFqs.png If you have some free time, could you please cover them by raising the inner bottom position a little?
10:24 ensonic Krock, personally I don't care so much, but minetest_data could be remvoved e.g. from debian because of those :/
10:25 Krock ensonic, serious or not. it's a license that can be used as-is.
10:27 Krock same for the Beerware license
10:27 ensonic Krock, I am not a lawyer, i just bring it up and I believe try to get textures covered under e.g. CC BY-SA would be better
10:29 Krock you can keep the "limitations" the same by using CC0 btw
10:32 ensonic Krock, ^^^ was this for me?
10:33 ensonic it is not about limitations, it is about granting explicit rights. A screenshot of a minetest world might be seen as derived work using the textures
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12:57 Krock Oh well.. so we have the 0.4.17 release tomorrow? #6542
12:57 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6542 -- 0.4.17 release
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21:13 paramat no apparently 0.4.17 is released at 0.5.0 feature freeze
21:13 sofar why?
21:14 sofar coupling them makes no sense
21:19 paramat i assume so it contains all bugfixes
21:20 paramat i'm neutral on this though
21:21 paramat maybe i misunderstood but i seem to remember sfan5 suggesting it
21:21 sofar if it really is bugfixes, why don't we release more often? should be much easier to test, and we really should publish bugfixes more quickly anyway
21:27 Fixer btw, just found a mtg bug: trees with snowblocks on top, snowblocks do not fall down after tree decay
21:28 sofar file an issue, should be an easy fix
21:28 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/zIzzdmC.png
21:29 sfan5 it's what i suggested yes
21:29 Fixer done https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1962
21:32 rubenwardy sofar, I'd like that
21:32 rubenwardy I mentioned it a few weeks ago
21:33 Fixer another question, eye level is at 1.5? why so low, i have impression i'm kinda small ingame
21:33 Fixer new snow sounds are very good
21:34 rubenwardy I think it was set to be level with the model
21:34 rubenwardy a question for paramat
21:34 sofar oh, snow block
21:34 sofar those don't fall
21:34 sofar maybe they should?
21:35 sofar would break snow caves I think
21:35 Fixer good question
21:35 Fixer they do make trees nicer
21:35 Fixer and more variable
21:37 paramat it was requested snowblocks don't fall to not break snowblock builds
21:37 paramat giant snowmen etc.
21:37 sfan5 just make player-placed snow blocks not fall?
21:38 paramat trees very rarely have snowblocks on them anyway, that only happens when pine branches extend 1 or 2 nodes into icesheet or tundra biomes
21:39 paramat minor issue
21:39 paramat taiga doesn't have snowblocks as dust
21:40 paramat erm, i would much prefer 0.4.17 is released asap, the close it is to 0.5.0 the less chance people will update to 0.5.0
21:41 paramat *closer
21:43 sfan5 people will update to 0.5 because of all the other features anyway
21:43 sfan5 also: csm flavors
21:44 paramat yes, but i don't want to reduce that chance
21:45 rubenwardy I reckon we should do an odd/even thing
21:45 rubenwardy release full releases twice a year
21:45 rubenwardy bug-only twice a year
21:45 rubenwardy roughly equal spacing
21:46 rubenwardy heh
21:46 sfan5 that doesn't help with deciding what to do about 0.4.17 though
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22:27 sfan5 paramat, i've asked before but: what about critical/important bugfixes that would happen between the release of 0.4.17 and 0.5.0?
22:27 sfan5 you can't leave server owners without a fixed version
22:27 sfan5 but surely releasing a 0.4.18 isn't an option
22:40 paramat yeah that's the good reason
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22:40 paramat but then, bugfixes will always happen, have to draw a line somewhere
22:49 Fixer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6729
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22:55 paramat thanks
22:55 paramat did you try snow?
22:57 Jordach Fixer, does this occur with npow(2) type textures, as snowdrift is non pow(2) textures
22:57 paramat pow(2)?
22:57 Fixer has not seen snow
22:57 Jordach 2x2, 4x4 ...
22:58 paramat the textures are all square
22:58 Fixer paramat: is there way to force it?
22:58 paramat i think they have to be for particles
22:58 paramat travel to snowy biome
22:58 paramat oh
22:59 paramat yes in params hang on
22:59 Fixer i've removed word rain and replace with better wording
23:01 paramat lines 145 and 147: if true then
23:04 Fixer paramat: can see snow particles, but they look weird: https://i.imgur.com/16CRpEb.png
23:06 paramat ok, it's due to the narrowness of the raindrop
23:06 Jordach Fixer, chance the particle texture to default_dirt.png or similar
23:07 Fixer paramat: snow has problems too
23:07 paramat and maybe the size i set for the particles
23:07 Fixer texture looks wrong
23:07 paramat i know
23:07 paramat i mean, raindrop disappears because it's narrow
23:08 Fixer possibly
23:14 paramat and maybe due to my set 'size'
23:14 Fixer dirt texture instead of flake - https://i.imgur.com/5l5PcZy.png
23:14 Fixer above crosshair
23:19 lisac https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=18933
23:20 lisac should've posted it in hub, sorry

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