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01:16 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/4553#issuecomment-332057444
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05:48 nerzhul merging #6415 in ~5 mins
05:48 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6415 -- Add mute setting (toggled by the mute key and in the volume menu) by DTA7
06:21 nerzhul i just pushed #6466, maintenance PR on jsoncpp + our jsoncpp usage (which is deprecated since a long time ago in jsoncpp but was just properly reported recently
06:21 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6466 -- Update JsonCPP to 1.8.3 by nerzhul
06:23 basicer nerzhul: Awesome, JsonP was giving me some headachs on OS:X, ill give the new version a shot.
06:25 nerzhul basicer, 1.8.0 is working nicely on FreeBSD, i don't see any problem with it :)
06:26 basicer It complains about not finding a constructor, its a pretty old clang though.
06:26 nerzhul this problem is not due to jsoncpp 1.8 but your compiler, use clang 3.4 at least
06:27 nerzhul clang 4.0 is the best idea, or 5.0
06:29 nerzhul i push a little fix for preview mod, because remote servers can be slow and mod channels not ready yet
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07:01 lhofhansl Hi... Please check out #6460 and #6447
07:01 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6460 -- Allow setting specific administrator name by lhofhansl
07:01 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6447 -- Prefer loading blocks near predicted future player position by lhofhansl
07:02 lhofhansl I tweaked #6447 a lot and made it much smarter. It now takes into account where the player actually looks to optimize what blocks are retrieve (by adjusting fov, wanted_range, and the predicted player position)
07:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6447 -- Prefer loading blocks near predicted future player position by lhofhansl
07:03 lhofhansl 6460 might cause some philosophical discussion, but it does fix the problem at hand - namely that you cannot start a local game and not be an administration, which changes game behavior.
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07:18 basicer I get the error on 5.0.0, Undefined Symbol "Json::Value::append(Json::Value&&)"
07:24 rdococ hi
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07:51 Hijiri basicer: did you update clang?
07:52 Hijiri and by 5.0.0 do you mean 0.5.0-dev?
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08:16 basicer I got 5.0.0 from homebrew as the one apple ships doesnt support thread_local
08:17 basicer by 5.0.0 I mean clang's version
08:19 sfan5 basicer: try with -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=1
08:19 sfan5 (needs system-wide jsoncpp install obviously)
08:19 sfan5 ^ nerzhul yet another user has problems with jsoncpp :/
08:19 nerzhul basicer, very strange freebsd supports thread_local
08:20 sfan5 could upgrading fix it?
08:20 nerzhul thread_local is part of C++11 standard
08:20 basicer Im on nerzhul's upgraded branch
08:20 nerzhul my branch doesn't change anything about compat with C++03 compilers :)
08:20 nerzhul what is your compiler version ?
08:20 basicer Apple be all like, we dont want to support thread_local until we can make it appley.
08:20 nerzhul and mac osx version ?
08:20 basicer OSX 10.10
08:21 basicer clang version 5.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_500/final)
08:21 nerzhul https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6466 build pass on travis with macosx 10.9
08:21 nerzhul i use clang 5.0 too on my archlinux
08:21 nerzhul Apple LLVM version 8.0.0 (clang-800.0.38)
08:21 nerzhul here is the clang version used
08:22 nerzhul you should use system clang version it seems
08:22 nerzhul thread_local is supported in clang since 3.4
08:22 basicer system clang doesnt support thread_local on OSX
08:22 nerzhul then why the build works on travis ?
08:23 nerzhul sfan5, please note we have thread_local in mt core engine too, i added it on some static to make them linked with thread permitting to reload them when embedded server restarts :)
08:24 sfan5 nerzhul: it's not just thread_local http://irc.minetest.net/minet​est-dev/2017-09-26#i_5088132
08:25 basicer sfan5: System JsonCPP does the trick.
08:25 nerzhul sfan5, thread_local + move constructor
08:25 sfan5 hm
08:26 sfan5 why does that cause a problem on so many systems?
08:26 nerzhul i don't know , it's a little bit random it seems
08:26 sfan5 also we should look at -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=1 being default
08:27 basicer My OS 10.10 has system clang of AppleClang 7.0.2.7000181
08:27 nerzhul please switch to 8.0
08:27 basicer How did you get a new XCode for 10.10?
08:28 nerzhul sfan5, any idea ? i'm not very macosx poweruser
08:28 sfan5 nope
08:28 sfan5 also just tested rn: -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=0 works on my machine
08:29 sfan5 but i've heard of it breaking with debian
08:29 nerzhul #467 clang 5.0 works fine here (linter is just not happy)
08:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/467 -- Peformance is much better when not focusing on the window
08:29 nerzhul #6467
08:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6467 -- Update clang from 4.0 to 5.0 by nerzhul
08:31 nerzhul basicer, https://developer.apple.com/xcode/
08:34 basicer It builds fine on the latest osx/xcode ofcourse.
08:34 nerzhul what is the current latest macosx version ? 10.13 no ?
08:35 nerzhul 10.10 is 3 years old
08:35 nerzhul when you tried to use clang from homebrew did you set the CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER & CMAKE_C_COMPILER variables ?
08:35 basicer Sure is, but if you build on an old machine, generally your builds are forward compatible.
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08:36 basicer I put the homebrew one first in my path.
08:36 nerzhul and what did you see in cmake output on configure step ?
08:36 basicer It found the right path and all that.
08:37 nerzhul ok
08:37 basicer And it works fine with system json.
08:37 nerzhul then i think it's libstdc++ which is not compatible and XCode 8 should update it i think
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08:44 sfan5 basicer: can you test if it still happens with this applied? https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/pull/6466.patch
08:44 sfan5 (and -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=0 obviously)
08:44 nerzhul sfan5, i think this will not change anything as it's just a jsoncpp minor update
08:44 nerzhul but if it works maybe sfan5 will approve and we can merge heh
08:44 sfan5 worth a try :P
08:46 basicer You sure travis is on 10.9 ?
08:47 basicer The latest build log implies 10.11
08:49 nerzhul basicer, i think i'm wrong
08:49 nerzhul and you are right
08:49 nerzhul sorry i'm tired :p
08:49 basicer sfan5: Patch gives the same error.
08:49 sfan5 aw
08:49 nerzhul sounds logical
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14:53 paramat celeron55 can you consider banning kilbith from commenting in the MT github repos, or warn him? https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/6447#issuecomment-332140632 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/6447#issuecomment-332152047 these personal attacks have been going on for 3+ years now
14:54 rubenwardy +1 for at least a warning
15:08 celeron55 useful contributions by kilbith have also been going on for 3+ years now
15:08 celeron55 i wish there was a trivial way to handle something like this
15:09 celeron55 kilbith is of the type who doesn't care about warnings
15:12 celeron55 is there even a way to do anything like this?
15:13 celeron55 he's playing a game, and i need to add a cooldown to his action in the game
15:14 rubenwardy he may have had useful contributions, but paramat has had fairly essential contributions - second only to you across MT + MTG
15:16 celeron55 it would be a nice contribution from paramat if paramat found a way to just ignore kilbith
15:16 celeron55 github's tool for this is blocking kilbith from the entire organization
15:17 celeron55 which means he's kind of fucked too much: https://help.github.com/articles/blo​cking-a-user-from-your-organization/
15:17 rubenwardy yeah, that would be a useful feature
15:17 celeron55 and there's no way to set a timeout either, outside of manually removing the blocking
15:18 celeron55 i'm not going to do that, it's too much
15:18 celeron55 i would block comments from him if it was possible - it isn't
15:19 rubenwardy hmmm
15:19 rubenwardy https://github.com/settings/blocked_users
15:20 celeron55 paramat can personally block kilbith, but it doesn't cause an ignore for kilbith in public comments
15:20 rubenwardy damn, can still see comments
15:20 celeron55 github basically doesn't have proper moderation tools
15:20 rubenwardy we could edit/delete any abusive comments
15:21 rubenwardy github has an edited flag, so is transparent
15:21 celeron55 he can edit them back any time he wants
15:21 celeron55 github's system is completely open to abuse like this
15:21 celeron55 and kilbith probably knows it
15:23 celeron55 i could start throwing a dice at every occurence like this and do the perma-everything-ban on 6
15:25 celeron55 kilbith genuinely thinks paramat is completely incompetent and expects me to throw out paramat instead of banning himself
15:26 celeron55 i.e. he doesn't say it as a personal attack really, it's his opinion and when it comes to stating opinions, he's a dick
15:27 celeron55 i don't know if this makes a difference to anyone
15:28 celeron55 not sure if it does to me
15:28 rdococ yay, celeron!
15:29 celeron55 (as a matter of fact, he's not nice to me either)
15:33 paramat yeah blocking is too much i agree, i no longer request that
15:35 celeron55 posted my solution to the thread
15:36 celeron55 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/6447#issuecomment-332238618
15:38 paramat c55 that makes sense, no problem, we can just delete the comments. however he does say these things as a personal attack, he'll take any remote opportunity possible, it's just the usual years-long thing
15:39 celeron55 i'm pretty sure i've told kilbith what i think of his attitude towards you
15:39 paramat anyway i'll just ignore :)
15:42 celeron55 maybe by researching your C++ comments better you can get some respect from kilbith
15:42 celeron55 might not seem like a very fun proposition but it's a thing you can do...
15:42 paramat i don't care about his respect :)
15:43 celeron55 well, from me also
15:43 celeron55 and others
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15:44 rubenwardy compsci/programming is a game of continuous self-improvement
15:44 paramat well i'm improving slowly, i don't pretend to be a competant general programmer, i have specific abilities
15:44 rubenwardy doesn't justify kilbith what-so-ever
15:45 celeron55 of course it doesn't
15:45 celeron55 the need for improvement is obvious without comments by dicks
15:46 Shara Some of those comments can be pretty offputting to contributors in general as well, no matter who they are directed at.
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15:47 paramat i'm probably the odd one out here because i have had no programming education and didn't own a computer before 6 years ago
15:48 Shara paramat: you're contribution and the good you've done MT is obvious anyway.
15:48 paramat before that the last time i owned a computer was 1994 programming simple BASIC
15:48 celeron55 just learn fast enough as you go and nobody will notice
15:48 celeron55 MT was my first 3D project, literally
15:48 Shara your*
15:49 paramat thanks :)
15:49 rubenwardy I find the best way to learn is to do lots of things. ie: things separate from MT
15:50 paramat i'm also not a computer geek (not meant in a negative way) like all other devs
15:50 Krock 8)
15:50 rubenwardy you spend 4 hours a day doing Minetest, if that doesn't qualify what does? :D
15:51 paramat heh
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17:41 nerzhul merging #6466 & #6462 in ~ 10 mins
17:41 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6466 -- Update JsonCPP to 1.8.3 by nerzhul
17:41 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6462 -- Update version correctly again by SmallJoker
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20:40 paramat there's a Json deprecation warning during compilation in latest master "minetest/lib/jsoncpp/jsoncpp.cpp:3679:34: warning: ‘Json::Value Json::Value::removeMember(const char*)’ is deprecated"
20:42 nerzhul i missed a warning ? will look
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21:14 paramat Krock i retested #6440 , still needed
21:14 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6440 -- CAO footstep sounds: Reduce gain to balance volume by paramat
21:16 Krock ok
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21:33 paramat hmm for floats should we use std::min/max or std::fmin/fmax?
21:39 nerzhul std::fmin/fmax
21:41 paramat ok thanks, i prefer that too
21:42 paramat i'll correct one of my recent commits then
21:53 Hijiri client-side translations are not in a stable version right?
21:55 nerzhul nore, ^
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22:12 paramat #6469 trivial
22:12 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6469 -- Fix recent commit: std::max -> std::fmax for floats by paramat
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23:23 sofar there's a bunch of dumb minetest clients that are requesting HTTP transfers from my media server incorrectly
23:24 sofar "Minetest/0.4.16 (Windows/6.1-Service_Pack_1 x86_64)"
23:24 sofar weirdly enough, it's not even android!
23:25 sofar it's requesting filename.png while everything is only available by hash.png
23:26 sofar and then a few days later that same client comes back and does a proper convo with my media server
23:26 sofar very weird
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23:40 rubenwardy I found that happens if the index.mth isn't recognised correctly
23:46 sofar weird thing is that didn't even bother POST ing index.mth before it started asking for files
23:47 sofar oh well, 600 404's for them
23:49 rdococ kik
23:49 rdococ lol*

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