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00:09 paramat ok
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00:50 paramat will merge #5560 #5581 #5606 in a moment
00:50 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5560 -- Fix tool digging speed limit by HybridDog
00:50 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5581 -- Fix Lua crash if opening door with slab or stair by MarkuBu
00:50 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5606 -- Conf.example: Move some lines to minetest.conf.example.extra by paramat
01:04 paramat merging
01:09 paramat complete
01:12 VanessaE paramat: I can haz soft overlays? :)
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01:14 VanessaE excuse me, s/:)/:3/
01:28 paramat erm looking
01:31 paramat i assume sfan5 is +1 now
01:32 paramat seems popular so i'm sure it will get another +1
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01:52 paramat WIP game#1704
01:52 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1704 -- Ores: Add tin ore, lump, ingot and block by paramat
03:22 nore can someone else review #5373 please? I already tested it and it works fine
03:22 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5373 -- Add the possibility to skip light update and fix light later by juhdanad
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03:45 rdococ is water level stored in the lower 4 bits or the upper 4 bits of param2? assuming it's 4 bits of course, could be more
03:49 VanessaE lower 4 bits
03:50 rdococ ty
03:50 rdococ hm
03:50 rdococ so % 16?
03:50 VanessaE it's more or less analogous to the flow rate of the water, though I doubt that's what it was intended for.
03:50 VanessaE just read it directly, the upper bits are always 0 as far as I've seen.
03:51 rdococ I'm gonna % 16 just to be sure
03:51 rdococ so the higher it is, the more water there is, or the higher there is, the faster the water is?
03:51 VanessaE yes. :)
03:51 VanessaE think of it as volume of flow
03:51 rdococ wait, both?
03:51 VanessaE a horizontal stretch of water won't exceed more than 7 or 8
03:51 VanessaE while a vertical flow will quickly hit 15
03:52 VanessaE (that's why it's useful for technic's water turbines)
03:52 rdococ so the lower 4 bits is how fast the water is?
03:53 VanessaE more or less.  it's not an exact science
03:53 VanessaE (also, offtopic for -dev)
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06:06 nerzhul nice clang 4.0 in arch heh
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07:40 sofar https://github.com/sofar/mtmediasrv
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09:05 nrzkt what do you think about #5612 ?
09:05 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5612 -- toolcap meta overriding by raymoo
09:05 nrzkt i'm not very aware about this feature, but i helped raymoo to fix the performance issues
09:06 kilbith that could be very useful for enchanting stuff if I understand it right
09:09 nrzkt kilbith: i think it's the idea, but i don't know if it's sent to client or not
09:10 nrzkt i don't think ti's sent to client, and i will increase memory usage of itemstacks, but it's not the most used object
09:10 nrzkt are dig timers meta ?
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09:49 sfan5 https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/665ax​5/ubuntu_is_switching_to_wayland_by_default/
09:49 sfan5 do we support wayland?
09:50 sfan5 or rather does mt work with xwayland or whatever that thing is called?
09:51 kilbith answer: yes, it does support xwayland fine
09:51 kilbith irrlicht does not support wayland natively tough
09:51 sfan5 well as long as it runs it's fine
09:53 nrzkt sfan5: no we don't support wayland, irrlicht doesn't support it
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11:07 est31 sfan5: last time I've checked, wayland was supported through xwayland
11:08 est31 although only newer versions of it work reasonably, as older ones suffer from this bug
11:08 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1763
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11:19 kilbith why does he leaves
11:19 kilbith still connected even
11:23 nrzkt yeah, strange he left project but answered questions sometimes, yes xwayland old versions has a problem with mouse, but it's fixed now,
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17:45 Hijiri can someone review #5612?
17:45 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5612 -- Allow overriding tool capabilities through itemstack metadata by raymoo
17:48 nerzhul already done
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18:20 Fixer nerzhul: minetestserver starts
18:21 Fixer nerzhul: running minetest gives https://i.imgur.com/QrHr5gg.png (is not it should bitch about that on install?)
18:25 sofar something moved/removed it
18:25 sofar distro problem
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18:33 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=14&t=17411&p=264611#p264611
18:33 sofar mtmediasrv now does everything, collection, service index.mth, making hashes
18:35 rubenwardy I suggest writing `A go compiler to build the service`
18:40 sofar no, because I intend to release prebuilt versions
18:40 sofar since it's neatly configurable
18:42 nerzhul Fixer, do you have irrlicht 1.8 on debian 8 ?
18:42 nerzhul i think yes :p i just need to add package deps
18:42 nerzhul as i said :)
18:42 nerzhul sofar, and coffee ?
18:43 sofar dishes
18:44 nerzhul nice job sofar
18:47 Fixer nerzhul: it does have it, but it is not installed %)
18:59 sofar ok, posted binaries as well for linux 32/6bit
18:59 sofar I can do more platforms if people need it, but I doubt it
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19:45 ShadowNinja nerzhul: You recently did a copy -> reference change to spawn_ltree.  There's another spawn_ltree function with the same issue.  There's also large-object-copying in c_content.cpp (read_item_definition), httpfetch.cpp (HTTPFetchOngoing::HTTPFetchOngoing), and container.h (MutexedQueue::push_back).
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19:53 sofar 2017/04/19 19:51:54 Scaning mediapath: /var/minetest
19:53 sofar 2017/04/19 19:51:54 mediascan linked/copied files: 1078
19:53 sofar 2017/04/19 19:51:54 mtmediasrv: Number of media files: 949
19:53 sofar 2017/04/19 19:51:54 mtmediasrv: version 1 (v1) started
19:53 sofar sweet
19:54 sofar fully operational
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20:14 nerzhul ShadowNinja, possible, i didn't get time to review all things
20:20 nerzhul read_item_definition is less anoying, i'm fixing it, but it's only called by register_item_raw :)
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20:39 nerzhul ShadowNinja, sofar just a notice i'm waiting travis and i will merge #5615 which is basicly fixes for some points reported by cppcheck (somes are also reported in your comment ShadowNinja )
20:39 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5615 -- Fix various copy instead of const ref reported by cppcheck by nerzhul
20:41 sofar peekItem is gone?
20:42 sofar ok with me, I assume peekItem was now unused
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20:45 nerzhul it's unused in inventory list, not itemstack if i'm right
20:45 nerzhul inventory list it's sure
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21:02 nerzhul travis happy, merging
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21:35 nerzhul guys, another pr #5616 which same goal, const ref, constructor init
21:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5616 -- Fix various copy instead of const ref reported by cppcheck (part 3) by nerzhul
21:50 nerzhul as it's fairly trivial too, i will merge it when travis will be green
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22:12 nerzhul merged
22:18 paramat wow lots of consts, i can't really judge if they're ok
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22:22 OldCoder <paramat> OldCoder please could you either rename this channel to 'minebest-..' or shut it down?
22:22 OldCoder Paramat: No. Rename this channel yourself... or shut it down. I've talked to Freenode and Celeron55. You're advised to speak more politely. Difficult though you and others seem to find the concept.
22:22 OldCoder This channel: #minetest-dev. Earn the right to speak as you have.
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22:23 rubenwardy wtf does that even mean
22:23 rubenwardy "rename this channel yourself"    - #-project  or  #-dev ?
22:24 VanessaE I think he means -project
22:24 VanessaE take the 'minetest' out of the channel name.
22:24 paramat http://irc.minetest.net/minetes​t-project/2017-04-18#i_4881276
22:25 rubenwardy I think the best approach is to just ditch it like #-mods
22:25 rubenwardy or redirect to hub
22:25 VanessaE is that possible?  who can do that?
22:26 rubenwardy /cs migrate #oldchannel #newchannel
22:28 rubenwardy c55 is the only one that can do that
22:28 rubenwardy or OC
22:29 garywhite I have a theory that I'm rolling out among people that Ik on MT
22:29 garywhite I'm PMing each individual person and telling them to migrate
22:30 garywhite Ik that you guys don't have the time to do that, but I can if you prefer
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22:32 OldCoder May I add... I asked Perttu this and he didn't respond... Who among you except for perhaps two people... has both been with the project for as many years and put in as many hours as I have? Not Perttu. Not paramat. Who can make the claim?
22:32 OldCoder RBA is the backbone. I don't think he has an IRL job. He was here before me and is basically embedded in the project. Vanessa, surely, semi-retired or not now, has been here forever and has made innumerable contributions. Most of the rest of you... You're smug, prideful, Johnny Come Latelies. You should be ashamed at recent events. But you look in the mirror and say, "There stands a hero".
22:32 OldCoder rubenwardy, your behavior, in particular has been a disappointment.
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22:33 sofar OldCoder: as long as you're reading the irc logs, you're still in here.
22:33 rubenwardy I've been here longer than OldCoder, just saying
22:39 celeron55 i wish i didn't have to read this book he's writing to me again
22:39 celeron55 it's been the same book for weeks and i don't even read books
22:40 VanessaE celeron55: care to give us the inside-back-cover summary? ;)
22:40 celeron55 no i think those two lines were impolite enough
22:40 Fixer celeron55: shame on you :trollface: some books are great, worst part is you have huuuuge list of great books that you can't even start reading :(
22:40 Fixer like earth history
22:42 Fixer VanessaE: have you seen my message about OOM? guest what, newest dreambuilder on newest engine = OOM within 10min, technic-worldgen, kek
22:42 VanessaE :(
22:42 sfan5 Fixer: is that with lua gc64?
22:42 Fixer sfan5: no, 2.1.0-beta2 that you use
22:43 VanessaE I still get occasional OOMs, but they always, invariably cite mesecons, even with GC64 (so in this case, i think it's mesecons trying to allocate a fuckton of RAM all at once due to some bug, and failing)
22:43 sfan5 well then we can probably blame the lack of gc64
22:43 Fixer 10 ---ing minutes and it is OOM, and I have not even started building anything, just walked like 500 nodes...
22:44 paramat game#1704 is tested and ready for review
22:44 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1704 -- Ores: Add tin ore, lump, ingot and block by paramat
22:45 sfan5 paramat: btw this one game pr that is a fix has two approvals already
22:45 sfan5 (just fyi)
22:45 Fixer paramat: you guys need to think about that bronze tools, or remove them... they are useless, i'm not going MINING TWO ORES, smelt it, combine it, to have a slightly better steel pick or whatever, thats ridiculous
22:46 VanessaE Fixer: well, the bronze/tin stuff is still technically WIP isn't it?
22:46 Fixer VanessaE: it is not
22:46 VanessaE paramat: ^^^
22:47 Fixer bronze tools is different issue
22:47 Fixer related one
22:47 Fixer who even use bronze?
22:48 paramat ok will merge later, just in case you want to check the diff
22:49 Fixer if you want to keep that useless and pricy bronze tools, they need to have some really special abilities
22:49 Fixer so that people will actually want to use them
22:50 paramat yeah bronze has issues, we can address those soon
22:50 paramat some return for being more difficult to create than steel
22:50 Fixer first i was thinking about 2x durability, but it turns out IRL it is not durable, so it is bad idea
22:50 Fixer my next idea is silk touch analogue
22:51 VanessaE Fixer: heard of it, what does it do?
22:51 Fixer bug with opening door with a slab is fixed
22:52 Fixer VanessaE: it can pick up blocks like stone without converting it to cobblestone, in mt you can pick up stone_with_ore without converting it to ore
22:52 VanessaE oh ok.
22:52 VanessaE I think maptools has a pick like that.
22:52 VanessaE a variant of the admin pick
22:54 Fixer VanessaE: MC wiki says it better "Mined blocks drop themselves instead of the usual items."
22:54 VanessaE Fixer: well that's trivial to do in MT
22:55 VanessaE and I'm certain I've seen a tool somewhere that did that
23:11 celeron55 >[celeron55] told me, weeks ago, that the core devs have demoted him to figurehead
23:11 celeron55 i'd just like to note that i haven't said that; maybe if you really bend some words over but not really
23:12 rubenwardy that's bollocks, imo
23:12 celeron55 (or even if i had, it really doesn't matter)
23:14 celeron55 (also about the trademark and whatnot, but none of that matters for OC if he loses the trust of people like that)
23:26 cheapie What's with all the [off]? There aren't any MT servers in here, are there?
23:44 celeron55 there are a bunch of weird members in the launchpad "Minetest Developers" team; i switched one administrator that hasn't done anything in a long time to be just a regular member
23:45 cheapie By the way, Lintian reports some spelling errors: https://lintian.debian.org/full/pkg-games-d​evel@lists.alioth.debian.org.html#minetest
23:46 celeron55 "The package has a debian/watch file, but the last attempt to use it for checking for newer upstream versions failed with an error:"
23:46 celeron55 that's not a good thing in the debian package
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