Time  Nick       Message
00:00 Fixer      usually it is through the roof
00:00 Fixer      something is holding it
00:01 nerzhul    Fixer, if you disable minimap ingame the FPS doesn't increase, it's the case ?
00:01 nerzhul    but if you restart game with minimap disabled it's okay ?
00:02 Fixer      nerzhul: only slightly increases, something is crearly wrong :O does not increase when looking at sky... wth
00:02 nerzhul    maybe minimap is not properly unloaded when hiding it
00:03 Fixer      https://i.imgur.com/iUbJ9Hf.png f5 graph (sleep 15 is installed)
00:03 nerzhul    it's late it i will go to bed
00:03 rubenwardy Fixer, bisect?
00:03 rubenwardy sounds recent so shouldn't be too many commits :/
00:03 nerzhul    if i get some time this weekend i will study a little bit more the game loop, there are many more improvements to do on it
00:05 Fixer      it is like something is capping my fps for no reason... wth
00:05 Fixer      need bisect
00:05 Fixer      even at vrange 20
00:09 Fixer      wait a second
00:09 est31      Hello, I hereby want to hand in my official resignation from minetest development
00:09 Fixer      i don't see any error output in debug.txt apart from separator
00:09 Fixer      hi est31
00:09 est31      please celeron55 take the official minetest dev privileges away from me
00:09 est31      I had been on hiatus for some time already, and development doesnt look like I want to come back
00:09 est31      goodbye folks, it was a great time while it lasted
00:10 Fixer      eh
00:10 Fixer      goodbye
00:13 Fixer      I hope he goes back eventually, he just want to do something other
00:16 kaeza      did something happen?
00:21 est31      (sorry for the IRC leaves and rejoins, trying to find out how to prevent quassel from rejoining this channel. I want to leave it)
00:23 Calinou    est31: just part it (right-click it)
00:24 est31      Calinou: yes but when I restart quasselcore, it reconnects me, and I dont know why
00:26 est31      I think I'll write a forum post tomorrow or on sunday
00:32 Fixer      est31: part and delete it
00:32 Fixer      est31: visit us from time to time
00:33 Fixer      est31: we will miss you
00:34 * VanessaE wanders back in
00:34 VanessaE   est31: we don't want you to leave :(
00:39 * VanessaE pokes sofar
06:09 Zeno`      hmm
06:11 sofar      VanessaE: sorry, was out for the evening, anything up?
06:12 VanessaE   sofar: game#1530
06:12 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1530 -- Add paint API by juhdanad
06:12 VanessaE   you might want to poke in there since you're considering merging UD
06:12 VanessaE   (also, I'm working on continuous place-and-color in UD, almost complete)
06:18 sofar      I think that goes the wrong way
06:18 sofar      well, it's not what I had in mind
06:23 VanessaE   you mean juhdanad's plan?
06:29 sofar      that paint API, yes
06:29 VanessaE   ok, just making sure I don't do something in UD that stands in the way
06:30 sofar      I'm not a big fan of clicking nodes with paint, what I want is to keep the behavior of current mtg while benefitting from colored nodes on the map
06:30 VanessaE   *nod* I know
06:30 sofar      after that, a paint mod, sure
06:30 sofar      but I also would like e.g. our sandstone to be based on colored stuff
06:30 sofar      our 3 versions, that is
06:30 VanessaE   this continuous feature will be place, punch, then everything after that is painted in that color until you switch to some other colorable node
06:31 VanessaE   (one single punch)... at least until you run out of dye
07:28 VanessaE   UD updated in git.
07:29 VanessaE   coloredwood and blox updated to use the new function if you want to play around with it, sofar
07:29 nerzhul    sofar, you didn't comment for which version on 5411 :)
07:32 sofar      I'm so tired
07:33 sofar      lol
07:34 VanessaE   heh
07:34 nerzhul    just tell 0.4.11 or 0.4.13 :), but i think it will be 0.4.11
07:34 sofar      nerzhul: was there no protocol bump in 0.4.12?
07:34 nerzhul    there is a minor bump, not very interesting
08:59 nerzhul    i will push a trivial fix for #5413 due to recent game class cleanup
08:59 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5413 -- CSM: unable to toggle chat visibility, hud hidden instead
09:02 Zeno`      ok
09:33 nerzhul    Zeno`, ??
09:36 Krock      but now it's a signed commit in the history
09:36 Krock      I already hear weblate silently crying somewhere
09:48 nerzhul    Krock, how can we test weblate, i'm not very aware
09:48 Krock      no plan :3
10:04 nerzhul    est31, how we update translations in master ?
10:05 nerzhul    i see http://dev.minetest.net/Translation you, SN and Pilz have access, maybe add other coredev as the three mentioned users are not very active ?
10:23 nerzhul    Krock, https://github.com/orgs/minetest/people
10:23 nerzhul    can you fix your team visibility to public please ?
10:23 Krock      oh, sure.
10:24 * Krock    looks at est31
10:25 nerzhul    est31, said he leaves MT
10:25 nerzhul    see the page, he is in no team, but est31 forget to leave organization
10:25 Krock      aww, too bad :(
10:26 nerzhul    celeron55, it seems you are not the group owner on github => https://github.com/orgs/minetest/people it's kahrl, and we didn't see kahrl on MT since a long time, is this possible you take the ownership for the future ?
10:27 nerzhul    celeron55, oh sorry ignore my comment, there are two owners, and you are :)
10:27 nerzhul    !seen kahrl
10:27 ShadowBot  nerzhul: I saw kahrl in #minetest-dev 19 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 33 minutes, and 7 seconds ago saying "#4707 - I asked OP to describe their request in Russian and they did, it would be great if someone could translate it to English, or check how accurate their own English translation at the end is"
10:27 nerzhul    we didn't see him on IRC since 4 months, is this always accurate to have karhl as a backup ?
10:32 celeron55  well ok, i switched it to someone else
10:32 celeron55  i'm not going to even ask who to assign it to; it's just a backup and not supposed to be used
10:33 nerzhul    rubenwardy promoted, champagne :
10:33 nerzhul    !
10:56 Krock      nerzhul, where did you find the button to dismiss reviews?
10:57 nerzhul    on your review state where CI show its status
10:59 Krock      err.. brb
11:00 nerzhul    Krock, when you review, use a new review state with requested change it will clear the preview review state, especially if you accepted
11:13 Krock      oh, I see. Thanks
11:43 Krock      will merge #5298 and #5031 in 10 minutes
11:43 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5298 -- Show itemstring as item tooltip if item description is missing by Wuzzy2
11:43 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5031 -- Server list cleanup by ShadowNinja
12:14 nerzhul    Krock, how do you merge ?
12:14 Krock      this time I applied the patch
12:14 Krock      worried?
12:15 nerzhul    okay :) because squash + commit it's same (and you keep merge tracked for gh state), it's just to have a better workflow as GH now permits it with the new rebase/squash buttons
12:15 nerzhul    celeron55 has blocked merged commits then it's always a rebased commit, history is proper
12:17 Krock      never used the squash&commit button yet. Right now I feel more safe when doing it locally :3
12:20 Fixer      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls/est31
12:21 Fixer      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3848 is not this needs closing this Krock already forked it into new PR?
12:22 Krock      yes, you're right. the other, previous pulls also were closed
12:22 Fixer      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3894 this one needs adoption for sure
12:23 nerzhul    Fixer, i think 2695 2801 and 2401 should be closed
12:24 Krock      or we could try to get est back using cookies and a new minetest/minetest issue titled "bring est31 back"
12:24 nerzhul    Krock, lol :) est31 is more and more interested by rustlang :)
12:25 celeron55  ask him to rewrite minetest in rust
12:25 nerzhul    celeron55, XD
12:25 Fixer      lol
12:26 nerzhul    3142 is interesting
12:35 paramat    i think #2910 can be closed
12:35 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2910 -- Treegen: Add enable_unique_ids option by est31
12:44 nerzhul    paramat, yeah close it
12:45 paramat    we might need more -1s to do that though, could you add your -1 to the thread?
13:17 paramat    how about i add the giant caverns to mgflat and mgfractal too? not sure about mgv5, but then, its caves are already different to the original mgv5
13:19 paramat    +1 for supporting 0.4.11 minimum
13:20 sfan5      i don't think mgflat needs these fancy things
13:20 sfan5      might be nice for mgfractal though
13:22 paramat    i'll start with mgv7 and mgfractal, it would be trivial to add to others later
13:23 rdococ     is there a way to control the roll of the camera/
13:23 rdococ     ?*
13:25 paramat    no
13:28 paramat    there is no camera roll at all
13:38 nerzhul    sfan5, if you get some time can you review code cleanup on #5411 ?
13:38 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5411 -- Update server min protocol version to v24 by nerzhul
13:38 sfan5      sure
13:38 nerzhul    thanks
13:43 rdococ     ugh
13:48 nerzhul    sfan5, clang-format format only specified files if you tell him to do it, else you can use it as shown in link on a diff subset to verify if it's compliant
14:21 est31      nerzhul: nore paramat sfan5 sofar Zeno` if anyone of you or any other core dev wants access to weblate, just make a weblate account (you can also log in via github) and send me the link to your account
14:21 est31      I can then add you
14:21 est31      e.g. mine is https://hosted.weblate.org/user/est31/
14:22 est31      celeron55: ^
14:22 paramat    thanks
14:22 est31      also see the forum post: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17043
14:22 est31      will be gone until tomorrow, so dont expect any reply until then
14:29 nerzhul    est31, i have an account, nerzhul
14:39 Krock      est31, you've done much for Minetest, so it's quite depressing to see you leaving now. Still good to see you active in other projects :)
15:52 Fixer      wait a second... default:grass spreads everywhere or not? I'm confused
16:12 paramat    anything in group 'flora' does, very slowly
16:21 Thomas-S   paramat, Krock, sofar: Trivial bugfix: #1649
16:21 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1649 -- Player left the game is not shown is some cases.
16:21 Thomas-S   sorry, game#1649
16:21 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1649 -- Door Bugfix: Missing code in 73e4666f280804b3f4c2c0571603d717d60a2203 by Thomas--S
16:27 Krock      the "if not owner" check is actually superflous but used everywhere in MTG
16:27 Krock      get_string never returns nil
16:43 paramat    looking at the flora spread code, it doesn't check for other desert sands or even sand, i thin i can improve it by just checking for the soil group
16:43 paramat    *think
16:45 paramat    perhaps dirt_with_snow should not be in the soil group, it would be frozen ground
16:45 paramat    it can always be dug to turn it into dirt
16:53 juhdanad   sofar, are you there?
18:01 paramat    game#1651
18:01 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1651 -- Flora spread: Generalise, allow spread on rainforest litter by paramat
18:01 paramat    ^ Fixer
18:05 Fixer      paramat: will not interfere with farmed land without plants?
18:07 Fixer      guess not, will try in game
18:12 paramat    not sure, this probably needs improvement
18:13 Fixer      will try ingame
20:54 VanessaE   users on my servers are complaining that they can't open and close mt_game doors.  homedecor's doors work fine.
20:56 VanessaE   I can reproduce this in singleplayer mode also, with vanilla mt_game (no extra mods).
20:57 Megaf      Interesting
20:57 VanessaE   the wooden door acts as if it's locked, and in fact my unprivileged user can't pick up a dropped door either, if it was dropped by my privileged user.
20:57 VanessaE   even if the privileged user takes it from creative inv and immediately drops it on the ground.
21:00 Thomas-S   VanessaE, game#1649 will fix the door problem.
21:00 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1649 -- Door Bugfix: Missing code in 73e4666f280804b3f4c2c0571603d717d60a2203 by Thomas--S
21:00 VanessaE   ok
21:02 VanessaE   on a different note: unprivileged users can't take items out of the creative inventory, either.  is some new priv needed for that?
21:03 VanessaE   nevermind, strike that last part.
21:04 VanessaE   ignore the dropped items part.  unprived user lacked interact after the open-the-door test.
21:13 Megaf      how do I pass optimization flags to cmake?
21:13 Megaf      like -Ofast
21:14 Megaf      VanessaE: any idea?
21:14 VanessaE   no clue
21:15 VanessaE   oh
21:15 VanessaE   export CXXFLAGS="-O3"
21:15 VanessaE   then cmake/make.
21:15 VanessaE   forgot I had that in my build script
21:17 Megaf      CC=clang CXX=clang++ CXXFLAGS="-Ofast" CFLAGS="-Ofast" cmake ../ -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=MinSizeRel -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
21:17 Megaf      Wonder if this will work, compiling.
21:18 Megaf      flags conflig with MinSizeRel
21:18 Megaf      that will be interesting
21:43 red-001    whats the diffrence between simple objects and active objects?
21:45 sfan5      where is the "simple object" terminilogy used?
21:49 Megaf      cobble and blinky plant?
21:50 Megaf      as in simple and blinky plant
21:50 Megaf      maybe
21:58 red-001    content_cso
22:10 paramat    will merge game#1649 later, since urgent
22:10 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1649 -- Door Bugfix: Missing code in 73e4666f280804b3f4c2c0571603d717d60a2203 by Thomas--S
22:19 VanessaE   thanks, paramat
22:23 Megaf      CXXFLAGS="-Ofast" CFLAGS="-Ofast" makes no difference
22:28 sfan5      Megaf: use -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="-Ofast" -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-Ofast"
22:28 sfan5      also it might just be that there isnt any measureable difference to the default settings
22:28 Megaf      oh
22:28 Megaf      cheers sfan5, let me try
22:36 Megaf      ok, linker failed with -ofast on clang. http://paste.debian.net/plain/922599
22:44 sfan5      doesnt looks related to the compilation flags
22:45 Megaf      well, default flags on clang = 6828 KB
22:46 Megaf      0fast on gcc 7892 KB
22:48 sfan5      how does the file size matter if you (seem to) want faster execution
22:48 Megaf      FPS slightly higher indeed
22:51 VanessaE   maybe he's still trying to build the perfect RaspPi client ;)
23:34 Sokomine   a server owner is reporting crashes related due to client-side scripting. are such issues known already?
23:35 paramat    not known as far as i know
23:36 paramat    could an issue be opened?
23:36 paramat    CSM should be completely disabled at the moment
23:36 VanessaE   how is that even possible?  CSM only went live a few days ago, how can there be any mods for it yet?
23:37 paramat    nerzhul is the dev to contact
23:38 Sokomine   i'm trying to obtain further information. logfiles exist but seem to contain few information
23:39 Sokomine   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17046 appears to have crashed the server it was tested on repeatedly
23:40 Sokomine   the admin doesn't speak english so i'm trying to ensure that the issue does not get lost