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ShadowNinja: my comment was a reply to sfan5's review comment |
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i'll test the new occlusion culling, since some report it too aggressive |
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kaeza |
999 PRs closed |
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paramat |
possible blocker #4923 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4923 -- map_generation_limit trigger server crash |
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paramat |
#4930 +1 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4930 -- Fix occlusion culling, again by lhofhansl |
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hmmmmm |
mmm |
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hmmmmm |
i wish the commit message had been fixed |
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Zeno` |
not too late |
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hmmmmm |
not important enough |
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Zeno` |
:) |
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paramat |
oops missed that, it could have been better |
| 05:51 |
paramat |
i'm thinking #4888 can perhaps wait until after release, see comment https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4888#issuecomment-266977228 |
| 05:51 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4888 -- Handle multiple deserialization of a block's entities by Rogier-5 |
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paramat |
other than that it's just the 2 mod security PRs |
| 05:52 |
paramat |
(that are milestones) |
| 05:52 |
garywhite |
paramat: I know I'm not a dev, but I think as long as all the milestones have been completed, then just the mod security should be fixed and then push to release |
| 05:52 |
paramat |
well there's a bunch of issue milestones |
| 05:53 |
paramat |
they're the problem |
| 05:53 |
paramat |
the plan was that if the mod security PRs were not ready in time we would just turn mod security off |
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garywhite |
Well ik ShadowNinja was working on it earlier |
| 05:55 |
paramat |
so mod security is no problem, but we have 4 issues |
| 05:55 |
paramat |
'broken languages' is labelled as blocker but is probably not |
| 05:56 |
paramat |
so we have #4923 #4810 #4528 |
| 05:56 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4923 -- map_generation_limit trigger server crash |
| 05:56 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4810 -- Unittests crash on Release build |
| 05:56 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4528 -- minetest 0.4.14 64bit crashes at startup on Windows 10 Pro 64bit: debug.txt permissions/path problem |
| 05:57 |
paramat |
and 2 days to release |
| 05:57 |
paramat |
:] |
| 05:57 |
garywhite |
Well, I can verify that #4528 is only a Win10-related issue, because it does nothing of the sort on Windows 7 Pro 64bit |
| 05:57 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4528 -- minetest 0.4.14 64bit crashes at startup on Windows 10 Pro 64bit: debug.txt permissions/path problem |
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paramat |
good |
| 05:58 |
garywhite |
So it's just something in the newest version of the WinNT kernel, my guess |
| 05:58 |
Zeno` |
is that not an issue with the installer? |
| 05:58 |
paramat |
no idea |
| 05:59 |
garywhite |
Then again, I use the 64-bit portable |
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Zeno` |
where is the installer code anyway heheh? |
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est31 |
We still need to 1. find out which languages are broken and 2. find a way how to disable broken languages |
| 06:37 |
est31 |
because https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4637 |
| 06:38 |
est31 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4638 |
| 06:38 |
sfan5 |
just move the translation files somewhere else is easiest probably |
| 06:40 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, do you know where the installer is? |
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sfan5 |
you mean the windows installer we had last release? |
| 06:40 |
Zeno` |
yeah |
| 06:41 |
est31 |
rubenwardy does them |
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sfan5 |
^ |
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Zeno` |
hmm ok |
| 06:41 |
Zeno` |
I knew that but thought there might be a repo |
| 06:41 |
Zeno` |
I'll ask him when I see him |
| 06:42 |
Zeno` |
I really think that #4528 is probably an installer issue rather than a game issue |
| 06:42 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4528 -- minetest 0.4.14 64bit crashes at startup on Windows 10 Pro 64bit: debug.txt permissions/path problem |
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paramat |
good :] |
| 06:42 |
Zeno` |
the installer should, surely, make sure the destination has write perms for the user |
| 06:43 |
Zeno` |
I'll see what rubenwardy says. It'd be good if we could see the code (I assume he's using something like NSIS or one of the other scriptable install systems) |
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est31 |
Zeno`: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5397343 |
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est31 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/pull/52 |
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Zeno` |
oh a gist. I didn't think to look there :D |
| 06:46 |
Zeno` |
was looking at his repos. Thanks |
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nrzkt |
Zeno`, maybe we should add this to our repository instead of third party |
| 06:47 |
Zeno` |
I think rubenwardy should add it, yes |
| 06:47 |
Zeno` |
ok it's install shield |
| 06:48 |
Zeno` |
so the directory permissions can be set in that |
| 06:50 |
Zeno` |
it could probably go into util/ where buildbot/ etc are |
| 06:51 |
Zeno` |
might need some tweaking |
| 06:52 |
Zeno` |
e.g. InfoBeforeFile=install.txt will have to be changed etc, but no big deal |
| 06:54 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, InnoSetup, not InstallShield |
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kaeza |
BTW doesn't CMake have NSIS as CPack target or something? |
| 06:57 |
Zeno` |
ok |
| 06:57 |
cheapie |
PR #4847 having been merged does appear to have fixed the issues that VanessaE's servers were having. |
| 06:57 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4847 -- Fix unnecessary block loading and duplicating objects by juhdanad |
| 06:58 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, it's been about 3 years since I used NSIS but probably |
| 06:58 |
kaeza |
`cpack --help | grep NSIS` → NSIS = Null Soft Installer | NSIS64 = Null Soft Installer (64-bit) |
| 06:58 |
kaeza |
not sure how usable/user-friendly it is |
| 06:58 |
Zeno` |
NSIS? |
| 06:58 |
Zeno` |
I found it very good |
| 07:00 |
Zeno` |
I can fix the debug.txt issue but I suspect that if debug.txt cannot be written to then any other file that needs to be written to will have permission problems as well, so I think it should be classified as an installer issue |
| 07:03 |
paramat |
ok could you add a comment? |
| 07:03 |
kaeza |
Windows builds should probably start using C:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming\Minetest as $path_user |
| 07:04 |
kaeza |
actually, why is debug.txt written to PWD and not $path_user? |
| 07:04 |
Zeno` |
different worlds? |
| 07:04 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 07:05 |
Zeno` |
where are things like players stored on windows? I'll look after I cook dinner |
| 07:06 |
Zeno` |
Now I'm not sure. Do we want lots of different debug.txt ? e.g. one for each world/game? |
| 07:06 |
Zeno` |
maybe that's better, I don't know |
| 07:12 |
Zeno` |
well not really |
| 07:12 |
Zeno` |
because two instances of a server might use the same |
| 07:15 |
Zeno` |
so it really should be in the directory that the server is run from (I think) |
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kaeza |
uh, but isn't there a switch to set the log file? |
| 07:19 |
kaeza |
--logfile |
| 07:21 |
kaeza |
or maybe it *is* written to $path_user, but $path_user is '.' in RUN_IN_PLACE :| |
| 07:22 |
Zeno` |
does that installer create an icon? |
| 07:22 |
Zeno` |
and can the icon specify what directory to run from? |
| 07:22 |
Zeno` |
so PWD is somewhere that's writeable? |
| 07:22 |
kaeza |
https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5397343#file-setup32-iss-L41 |
| 07:23 |
Zeno` |
any way to cd wherever/blah before launching? |
| 07:23 |
kaeza |
http://www.jrsoftware.org/ishelp/index.php?topic=iconssection |
| 07:23 |
kaeza |
should add `WorkingDir: "{app}"` somewhere on the icon line for minetest.exe |
| 07:24 |
Zeno` |
that's probably the solution |
| 07:24 |
kaeza |
err, `WorkingDir: "somewhere"` |
| 07:25 |
Zeno` |
yeah |
| 07:25 |
Zeno` |
just need to work out where somewhere should be now :) |
| 07:25 |
kaeza |
probably {userappdata}\Minetest |
| 07:25 |
Zeno` |
most likely yes |
| 07:26 |
Zeno` |
people running multiple servers on Windows are rare, and they can fend for themselves |
| 07:26 |
kaeza |
or {userdocs}\Minetest to be a bit more visible |
| 07:28 |
Zeno` |
possibly yeah |
| 07:28 |
Zeno` |
but that should work, right? |
| 07:29 |
Zeno` |
seems reasonable to me but I don't know much about Windows |
| 07:29 |
kaeza |
I'm not on Windows right now and don't have a VM handy to test |
| 07:29 |
kaeza |
I wonder if it would work on ReactOS :P |
| 07:29 |
Zeno` |
I guess as long as the WD is somewhere writeable it should be fine |
| 07:29 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 07:30 |
Zeno` |
could try with Wine :D |
| 07:30 |
Zeno` |
I don't have a VM either *sigh* |
| 07:31 |
Zeno` |
I used to... I should have kept it |
| 07:32 |
red-001 |
I have windows |
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kaeza |
let me set up the test env |
| 07:32 |
red-001 |
so test if minetest runs if the working dir is set to {userdocs}\Minetest ? |
| 07:33 |
Zeno` |
red-001, yeah |
| 07:34 |
Zeno` |
or {userappdata}\Minetest (which I now think is better) |
| 07:34 |
Zeno` |
even though it's less visible |
| 07:38 |
red-001 |
yeah it does put its log there |
| 07:38 |
Zeno` |
confirmation #1 |
| 07:38 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
| 07:38 |
Zeno` |
thanks red-001 |
| 07:38 |
Zeno` |
wow, the first issue |
| 07:38 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 07:39 |
red-001 |
but it doesn't save the settings there |
| 07:39 |
Zeno` |
where does it save them? |
| 07:40 |
Zeno` |
should it save the settings there? |
| 07:40 |
red-001 |
well it is a standard on windows |
| 07:41 |
red-001 |
to save that sort of stuff in appdata |
| 07:41 |
red-001 |
especial if you have an installer |
| 07:42 |
Zeno` |
we'd have to change the code to do that (I guess in porting.cpp). Maybe it's good enough to make sure the app actually runs without crashing for this release (using the installer) and then fix the other issues next release (if they don't cause crashes because of permissions)? |
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Zeno` |
and I think that changing it in code is... well I think it's not trivial due to multiple server instances (but maybe we can add something like #ifdef TARGET_INSTALLER to make it easier) |
| 07:43 |
Zeno` |
it will take some thought though |
| 07:44 |
Zeno` |
but you have a point |
| 07:45 |
Zeno` |
and I wonder if the location of settings will also cause issues on Windows10 using the installer |
| 07:46 |
Zeno` |
"I can fix the debug.txt issue but I suspect that if debug.txt cannot be written to then any other file that needs to be written to will have permission problems as well, so I think this should be classified as an installer issue" |
| 07:46 |
Zeno` |
related to that |
| 07:47 |
Zeno` |
red-001, the issue is #4528 (in case you missed it) |
| 07:47 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4528 -- minetest 0.4.14 64bit crashes at startup on Windows 10 Pro 64bit: debug.txt permissions/path problem |
| 07:49 |
red-001 |
well I also have a windows 10 machine |
| 07:49 |
red-001 |
should I test if this fixes it? |
| 07:50 |
Zeno` |
if you don't mind |
| 07:51 |
Zeno` |
it'd be appreciated for sure |
| 08:00 |
red-001 |
yeah it fixes the issue |
| 08:00 |
red-001 |
but you can't create worlds |
| 08:01 |
red-001 |
so that means that you can't change settings either |
| 08:01 |
kaeza |
what did you try? |
| 08:02 |
red-001 |
I changed the run in path to %appdata%\minetest |
| 08:02 |
red-001 |
start in path* |
| 08:03 |
Zeno` |
so maybe the installer can give the user write permissions to wherever minetest is installed as well |
| 08:03 |
Zeno` |
this is a headache |
| 08:03 |
kaeza |
maybe the installer should install to %appdata%\minetest and just run from there for now |
| 08:03 |
red-001 |
everything still works if you use c:/games as the install path |
| 08:03 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, that would work |
| 08:03 |
kaeza |
(instead of program files) |
| 08:04 |
Zeno` |
very unusual but it'd work |
| 08:04 |
red-001 |
thats what minecraft does iirc |
| 08:04 |
kaeza |
we can sort editing the paths in the binary for .16 |
| 08:04 |
Zeno` |
yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 08:05 |
Zeno` |
otherwise it's gonna block the release for quite a while |
| 08:05 |
kaeza |
this line: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5397343#file-setup64-iss-L17 |
| 08:05 |
Zeno` |
yeah ok |
| 08:05 |
kaeza |
use {userappdata}\Minetest |
| 08:05 |
Zeno` |
I'd be happy with that for this release |
| 08:05 |
kaeza |
or something to that effect |
| 08:06 |
Zeno` |
red-001, that's interesting |
| 08:06 |
Zeno` |
good enough for minecraft good enough for us this release :D |
| 08:07 |
Zeno` |
red-001, btw thanks for taking the time to test things |
| 08:08 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, I really need to cook dinner. Can you summarise the proposed solution in the Issue? :3 |
| 08:08 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, sure |
| 08:08 |
Zeno` |
cheers :) |
| 08:09 |
red-001 |
its %appdata% |
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kaeza |
red-001, {userappdata} is Inno Setup's way to specify %APPDATA% :) |
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red-001 |
huh didn't know that |
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kaeza |
#4931 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4931 -- Official releases should should use %APPDATA%. |
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Zeno` |
now we just need rubenwardy to add the installer script to utils/ |
| 08:54 |
Zeno` |
would you agree to that kaeza? |
| 08:54 |
Zeno` |
(since it's based on your original script) |
| 08:55 |
Zeno` |
utils/ seems right since that's where buildbot/ is |
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kaeza |
I think I released it as WTFPL or BSD but can't access the forums |
| 08:55 |
kaeza |
in any case, go ahead |
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Zeno` |
Ok, I'll ask him |
| 08:55 |
Zeno` |
off to eat my dinner which is (finally) ready :) |
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kaeza |
I wonder if MS killed UAC virtualization for Windows 10 |
| 09:11 |
kaeza |
or whatever that VFS thing is called |
| 09:12 |
kaeza |
programs should just be able to write to a read-only directory and it gets redirected to some VirtualStore directory somewhere |
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nrzkt |
Zeno`: agree should be in util |
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nrzkt |
kaeza: microsoft killed DHCP client too |
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Calinou |
I'm quite sure VirtualStore is still a thing, kaeza and nrzkt |
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Calinou |
%LOCALAPPDATA%\VirtualStore here |
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Calinou |
(Windows 10 build 14393) |
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Zeno` |
Calinou, that is not where config.txt is trying to be written to though |
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Zeno` |
err debug.txt |
| 13:05 |
Zeno` |
debug.txt is written to the directory that the application is launched in |
| 13:05 |
Zeno` |
so, the working directory (or the binary directory) needs to be changed |
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Calinou |
should be changed so that it's written in %APPDATA% on Windows in non-run-in-place build, maybe |
| 13:07 |
Calinou |
maybe disable it entirely by default too? |
| 13:07 |
Calinou |
(or keep it to errors only) |
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Zeno` |
it only affects build installed using the installer though |
| 13:25 |
Zeno` |
and a "proper" fix can be done in the next release (it'll take time) |
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Zeno` |
the proper fix (changing paths and stuff) is not exactly trivial and will probably require a new cmake flag |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: non-RUN_IN_PLACE is entirely unsupported on windows |
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sofar |
Was there anything anyone needed from me for the release? |
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sofar |
I'm probably not going to check github this week |
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red-001 |
has the 0.4.15-RC been released? |
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garywhite |
idk red-001. There's still a few bugs to fox AFAIK |
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garywhite |
fix* |
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Zeno` |
maybe we should just close #4931 and https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4528#issuecomment-267906193 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4931 -- Official releases should should use %APPDATA%. |
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Zeno` |
it's not as if the installer is really official anyway considering it not in the source tree or part of the minetest project (yet) |
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Zeno` |
the fix is easy but people seem to be opposed to it |
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Zeno` |
there is no way to create an "install wherever you want" and and "an installer friendly" version of the build without adding a whole heap of stuff to porting.cpp |
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garywhite |
est31, Zeno`, sfan5, sofar, ShadowNinja: Does anyone know what day 0.4.15 is planned to be released? Cause some people want to make a trailer for MT and considering trying to release at the same time as 0.4.15 |
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garywhite: 21st if i remember the date correctly |
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garywhite |
sfan5: Do you know if that'll be delayed at all? |
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sfan5 |
do i look like i can tell the future |
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garywhite |
I was just asking cause ik there are still issues that have to be corrected |
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garywhite |
Is there a specific release manager for 0.4.15? |
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ShadowNinja |
garywhite: AFAIK there is no release manager ATM. The release may be delayed. Can't the trailer just be released immediately after they see the release announcement? |
| 22:31 |
garywhite |
TruYes |
| 22:32 |
garywhite |
True* |
| 22:32 |
octacian |
garywhite: first, this isn't a trailer for 0.4.15! it's just MT in general. |
| 22:33 |
garywhite |
octacian: I know, but if it can get released at the same time as 0.4.15, it'd be much cooler, like it was made to accompany it |
| 22:34 |
ShadowNinja |
My security patches are considered blocking, so those will have to be merged. There are two other blockers, but one looks mislabeled (the language issue is hardly new or critical). |
| 22:34 |
garywhite |
ShadowNinja: If necessary, the language system could be implemented into a 0.4.15a update just for it |
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sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: the language issue is not new, but it's critical for release |
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garywhite |
again, what about a supplemental release for 0.4.15? Like 0.4.15a? |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Why so? Can't users just avoid those languages like they've done for every previous release? The font might be fixable, but if RTL support is an Irrlicht issue it isn't doing to get fixed for quite a while. |
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garywhite |
sfan5, what languages are complete and ready to be packaged? |
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