Time Nick Message 01:30 emunandPC like we discussed in the minetest channel, how come there isn't a Minetest app in the Amazon App Store? it seems easy to add in since Minetest for Android doesn't require Google Play APIs and that most Amazon devices run on Android 01:31 emunandPC this could also give us a way to get onto iOS device officially 01:31 emunandPC or rather, "officially" 01:32 garywhite iOS? 01:33 emunandPC Amazon App Store is downloadable through the Apple App Store 01:37 garywhite I think you mean the Amazon Shop, all of Amazon's apps are on Android-only. The Amazon Appstore does not work on the Unix and BSD-based iOS 01:38 emunandPC oh did they remove it? 01:38 longerstaff13 oh, iOS is BSD-based? I thought it was Unix... 01:38 garywhite It never worked with it AFAIK 01:39 emunandPC bsd is based on unix right? 01:39 garywhite & iOS is based off of a combo of Unix & a port of BSD that is used to create macOS 01:39 longerstaff13 yeah 01:39 emunandPC but its not *nix 01:40 emunandPC BSD's not Unix! 01:40 garywhite BSD is part of the Unix family 01:41 emunandPC i know, its a joke of GNU 02:04 est31 emunandPC: please dont do this "instead of us", unless its an account maintained by the core team its bad 02:05 est31 because even if you will never do it, we cant be sure whether you say "ZOMG it has 300 000 downloads, if I add ads I'm rich!" 02:05 est31 or, you won't update it after some time 02:05 est31 so someone on the core team has to step up and do it 02:06 emunandPC i thought you cannot have ads on GPL licensed code? 02:07 ReadySetWait Apparently SourceForge didn't get that memo a while back 02:08 emunandPC sourceforge used to be infested with malware, i do not trust it 02:10 est31 1. minetest is LGPL licensed not GPL 02:10 emunandPC i would rather use github and the likes 02:10 est31 2. I don't know the legalities of that 02:10 est31 still, its better to be on the safe side 02:11 est31 also, what happens if you stop liking minetest 02:11 est31 if you say "minecraft is best, I'm not updating the app" 02:11 est31 then it will be forever stuck on that version 02:11 est31 you can add maintainers for lots of things, but for these kinds of app stores, where apps are totally tied to their creators, its simply not possible, sadly 02:12 est31 s/creators/uploaders/ 02:14 emunandPC so most likely no amazon app store release soon unless the developers do it themselves? 02:15 emunandPC yeah, LGPL allows commercial use as well 02:20 garywhite Well, I uploaded MT for Windows to Download.com and anyone can do it, looks like. I was able to post it under Minetest as company name, and it filed under the same product result 02:21 garywhite Plus IIRC I got c55's permission to manage the releases to Download.com for now 02:22 paramat IIRC? better check to be sure 02:26 garywhite I'll ask him again tomorrow 02:26 garywhite Wait, lemme dig out my logs 02:29 garywhite https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kItMYZ4P/ 02:29 paramat ok cool 02:31 garywhite If you go to the page on Download.com, it showed 0.4.4, then 0.4.7 as the only ones posted 02:31 paramat just be sure to keep the core devs notified of what's going on, usually a core dev would do this 02:34 est31 download.com is a bit different though as I think stuff is not tightly tied to the uploader there 02:34 est31 as on normal android app stores 02:42 paramat ok 02:46 garywhite I just uploaded the 0.4.14 release last week 03:04 paramat ~tell ShadowNinja please can you help with https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4909 ? 03:04 ShadowBot paramat: O.K. 03:16 paramat i may have too tweak footstep gains, i made the glass one too quiet and some others are too loud 06:32 celeron55 i agree with est31 06:38 celeron55 if a site or store only allows updates from one account, the account has to be owned by a person trusted by this community, and if the only way to allow uploads by others to an account is to compromise it, then the trusted person has to do the uploads; same thing with the signing of packages that have to be signed with the same key forever 06:44 celeron55 that doesn't mean some preparation work can't be done by a new contributor though 06:45 celeron55 to save the time of the trusted ones 06:48 paramat forum is very slow / timing-out for me 06:59 paramat now improving 07:14 celeron55 looks like mysqld has totally crapped onto itself during an attempt to make an automatic backup of the forum; i killed the backup and it's still stuck 07:15 celeron55 i wish the forum used postgresql 07:25 celeron55 kill -9 $mysqld? seems like a great idea, lol 07:28 celeron55 well, aside from just waiting, that's the only thing i can do 07:29 celeron55 it's still using 100% of the i/o capacity of that vps 07:29 celeron55 doing... essentially nothing i guess 07:42 celeron55 it's continuously consuming more RAM, lol 07:43 celeron55 ok now i killed it 07:46 celeron55 well it wasn't so easy to kill but now it's dead 07:52 celeron55 i started it and it still doesn't like to exist; i think this might be some kind of a throttling situation; meh 07:54 celeron55 i wish i could just choose to get billed for occasional extra resources instead of essentially paying for headache and a shut down website 08:24 celeron55 this thing just refuses to work; you'll have to be without forums for the rest of the day 08:25 celeron55 i killed another resource-hungry thing that was in not much use but that changed nothing 09:38 paramat forum is responsive again for me :] 11:25 sfan5 celeron55: you actually use mysql and not mariadb? :o 11:28 troller тисглш567890-\ 11:28 troller sorry im cat 12:38 celeron55 sfan5: mariadb's binary is called mysqld 12:41 sfan5 huh indeed, thought it was named differently 12:51 nrzkt sfan5: no for retrocompat 12:51 nrzkt libmariadbclient is also libmysqlclient.so :) 12:53 DuCake Hello - for some reason my server is not loading a certain couple of mods (most visibly, "mobs" and "zmobs") causing a cascade of non-loading mods. The reason for it however I cannot find - all mods are installed, all mods required are marked active in the world.mt and present in the mods folder, I checked the permissions on the folders and did chown -R the appropriate user (the same I am launching minetest as) but 12:53 DuCake to no avail.... I ran it once with "--info --verbose" but that doesn't seem to tell me why the specific mods are not loading... 12:53 DuCake http://pastebin.com/NAY73nLR 12:54 DuCake change that happened previous - I did a git pull on tenplus1/mobs_redo -- but it shows no conflicts and the minetest log reveals that it didn't even try to load that mod ? 12:55 DuCake Ubuntu 16.04 , build from some time in November which has been working fine over the last few reboots... 12:55 DuCake Build info: VER=0.4.14-dev-fb20b45-dirty BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=1 USE_GETTEXT=0 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=0 STATIC_SHAREDIR="." 12:56 sfan5 is zmobs a modpack 12:56 sfan5 also this is the dev channel, for general issues use #minetest 12:57 DuCake ah whoops apologies 12:57 DuCake will switch over 14:25 Zeno` VanessaE 18:01 garywhite celeron55: The Servers page on the forum is running pretty slow, idk if it is related to the issues with your SQL database last night 18:03 celeron55 that doesn't make sense 18:04 garywhite General Discussion is running fine 18:04 garywhite But Servers is running slow, maybe it's something with the connection here in the States 18:08 VanessaE seems fine here, takes maybe a second to refresh the page 18:08 VanessaE (at least servers.minetest.net) 18:10 garywhite Well I think I found the issue...My Internet just nipped out, so to speak 18:10 VanessaE that would do it :P 18:10 twoelk the internet nipped to speak? 18:56 sfan5 VanessaE: servers.minetest.net is not related to the forum in any way 18:56 VanessaE sfan5: oh, I read it as "the servers list" 23:56 paramat hi hmmmm what do you think of #4847 ? simple but in critical code, perhaps too risky to merge just before release? 23:56 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4847 -- Fix unnecessary block loading and duplicating objects by juhdanad 23:58 hmmmm whats' this 23:59 hmmmm oh god 23:59 hmmmm i see EmergeThread being modified