Time  Nick       Message
10:56 _Megaf     Megal: hey brother!
10:57 Megal      sup man
11:08 red-001    this is going to be confusing
13:31 _Megaf     red-001: I have a "_" now :)
13:50 sfan5      pushing http://sprunge.us/iIdU in 5 mins
13:50 sfan5      this fixes a favorite being selected in the mainmenu while e.g. the "Del. Favorite" button is missing
14:13 Fixer_     question, if you play say 10000 blocks away from other player, will his info will be sent to my player via network anyway?
14:16 sfan5      his position will be
14:22 red-001    so trying to hide from someone with a modded client is pointless?
14:24 sfan5      not if you set this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/cd2c8ade2d86f709d9a82b7ad86284cc3e9ce8c3/minetest.conf.example#L868L870
14:27 red-001    when should the protocal version be updated when adding any new packets?
14:28 sfan5      because it can introduce an incompatibility with older clients
14:29 red-001    ?
14:29 sfan5      oh nvm
14:29 sfan5      i thought you asked "why"
14:30 red-001    yeah I missed a full stop
14:32 red-001    are the formspecs used internally the same format as the ones used by mods?
14:33 red-001    nvm
14:58 _Megaf     <ERROR> 2016-10-02 11:59:35: [Server] ServerEnv: Trying to store id=24451 statically but block (-4,0,-13) already contains 1097
14:58 _Megaf     objects. Forcing delete
14:59 _Megaf     why in this case it doest reports the ral location?
14:59 _Megaf     How do I get the real location from that?
15:05 T4im       _Megaf: * 16 for each coordinate
15:05 T4im       and a node-location would likely not make sense for that
15:06 T4im       as those objects are serialized to the mapblock not a node
15:09 red-001    why is the death screen hardcoded and not set able by mods?
15:44 Fixer_     death screen allows you to take your bones while respawning ;)
15:44 Fixer_     #4530
15:44 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4530 -- Fix superflous shader setting updates by gregorycu
16:22 paramat    please can anyone take over and finish up #4530 ? author is taking a break from MT
16:22 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4530 -- Fix superflous shader setting updates by gregorycu
16:31 paramat    brings a big performace gain
16:32 _Megaf     #4564
16:32 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4564 -- [Request] Make client timeout if RTT < 0.
16:47 red-001    isn't the client suppose exit if it losses connection?
18:12 Fixer_     not always
19:15 Hijiri     can someone do a second review of #4498? Just a few lines of lua code
19:15 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4498 -- Transient Forceloads by raymoo
20:07 sfan5      #4498 now has two approvals
20:07 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4498 -- Transient Forceloads by raymoo
20:19 paramat    i'm thinking of making a workaround for #4132 since it's so obscure
20:20 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4132 -- 0.4.14-dev - Several servers repeatedly crashing: vector.lua Line 92
20:35 T4im       oh nice, that torch thing actually works; i was looking into the same problem for vanessae and essentially got so far as sofar; never able to reproduce it :D
20:38 T4im       this could be an off-by-one error
20:40 T4im       in some mods; like worldedit for example
20:43 T4im       ah; no it's a voxelmanip issue
20:43 T4im       there it is
20:44 T4im       they set content_id without resetting param2, so things can end up >= 6, which causes the crash
20:44 T4im       other mots with voxelmanip; and perhaps even schematics could trigger it, too
20:44 T4im       mods*
20:55 T4im       paramat: the interesting thing is, that the engine actually seems to have no problem rendering 6 as 0; so this could easily be fixed in dir_to_wallmount by showing a warning and then just rotate through the table there as well
20:57 T4im       actually nvm the engine renders all of them like 0 then; no rotation needed
20:59 _Megaf     well, solve my spawn problem with low FPS
20:59 _Megaf     set the spawn to an island in the sky...
20:59 paramat    sure lua vm doesn't reset param2?
21:00 T4im       well, why should it? :)
21:01 T4im       but yes, i worledited some torches into water, like _Megaf explained; and they just take on the param2's of the water nodes
21:01 paramat    ahh
21:02 paramat    workaround coming
21:07 paramat    #4565
21:07 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4565 -- Builtin/falling: Add fallback vector for out of range param2 bug by paramat
21:08 paramat    comment may need rewording now though
21:10 paramat    perhaps the fallback vector should be that of param2 = 0 though
21:11 T4im       yea; y = 1 is that apparently
21:11 paramat    if stuff is placed by voxelmanip without specifying param2, param2 is usually intended to be 0
21:13 paramat    yes, will update
21:17 T4im       set_node_at might actually even do that; but worldedit seems to set the content_id directly as data
21:19 paramat    great, good work
21:23 paramat    updated
21:37 paramat    celeron55, engine dev is understaffed recently, looking through contributors to engine, i think SmallJoker (Krock) and t4im are good candidates for possible future devs (if they want to of course)
21:42 * _Megaf   not so sure about it
21:42 * red-001  thinks game.cpp need refactoring
21:43 _Megaf     I'd like to see a little bit more contributions from them
21:43 _Megaf     more proactiviness
21:45 paramat    i would say gregorycu also but unfortunately he's taking a break and i suspect would rather not be a dev
21:45 paramat    sure no rush
21:56 paramat    (anyway it's late in finland, no need to discuss now)
22:04 est31      paramat, the usual way of proposing someone to become core dev is to ask the other core devs first
22:04 sfan5      IMO just throwing more coredevs at this project won't solve stuff
22:05 sfan5      also when's the next release planned? :P
22:05 _Megaf     Hm, I'm good and choosing core devs
22:05 _Megaf     and I totally agree with sfan5
22:05 est31      they have to devote time for this to make sense
22:05 _Megaf     we need a new head officer
22:05 est31      lots of time
22:07 paramat    sure, consider it a proposal to devs too
22:07 paramat    it was a fairly random thought
22:07 est31      krock and t4im are nice people and I consider them my friends as so many other people in the minetest community, but I think I agree with sfan5 here
22:08 paramat    next release maybe around winter solstice?
22:08 sfan5      sounds good
22:08 est31      yup sounds good
22:08 est31      anyone wanna be the release manager?
22:08 paramat    heh
22:09 sfan5      *looks up wiki page*
22:09 paramat    twice in a row might kill me :]
22:10 est31      we need someone to take care of both mtgame and the engine
22:11 sfan5      hm
22:11 sfan5      don't we have a a wiki page that details RM responsibilities?
22:12 est31      there is the "Releasing minetest" page
22:12 _Megaf     you don't want me as release manager, I can guarantee that
22:12 _Megaf     xP
22:12 * _Megaf   runs
22:13 sfan5      yes but that page doesn't mention any release manager
22:14 est31      most of the page isnt in fact what the release manager does
22:14 est31      the release manager's main responsibility is to coordinate the release, and be an authority on things like the release date, etc
22:15 est31      looking out for bugs that might be blockers
22:15 est31      etc
22:15 paramat    perhaps it's not essential and we manage it together
22:17 sfan5      well we manager quite many previous releases without a release manager
22:17 sfan5      s/manager/managed it for/
22:17 paramat    btw, devs move on and become elusive, so new devs are obviously needed. however yes we are not at zero yet and huge numbers of devs are not a solution
22:17 est31      I can't comment on that, wasnt involved in minetest development back then
22:19 paramat    it's a stressful job
22:19 est31      dunno, just the release shouldn't be delayed indefinitely because nobody feels responsible
22:21 paramat    they get delayed with a RM too
22:24 paramat    anyway, for 0.4.15 i have new biomes to add, mgv7 floatlands, plenty of work to do
22:25 paramat    i added the milestone label and am starting to use it
22:27 paramat    time to start identifying priorities
22:28 red-001    is mgv7 still in development or is it suppose to be stable like mgv6?
22:28 paramat    any reviews for #4565 ? simple PR
22:28 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4565 -- Builtin/falling: Add fallback vector in case of nil 'wallmounted to dir' by paramat
22:29 paramat    mgv7 terrain is fairly stable but not yet officially stable
22:29 paramat    (ground terrain)
22:29 paramat    biomes are still developing
22:30 paramat    and perhaps always will be
22:31 paramat    the floatland terrain may be unstable for a while
22:31 paramat    (if merged)
22:32 sfan5      paramat: that pr still counts as trivial and doesn't required an approval by another coredev
22:32 sfan5      in any case lgtm
22:32 sfan5      >doesn't required
22:33 paramat    ok
22:33 sfan5      wow my grammar sucks
22:33 paramat    i'll merge it with #4498
22:33 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4498 -- Transient Forceloads by raymoo
22:40 paramat    rubenwardy i'll merge #4294 once rebased
22:40 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4294 -- Formspecs: Add container[] and container_end[] elements by rubenwardy
22:52 paramat    hm #4544 is nearly ready just needs tidying up by someone
22:52 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4544 -- mapblock_mesh_generate_special improvements by gregorycu
22:53 paramat    maybe me
23:05 paramat    ok i'll merge 4294 too
23:06 paramat    will merge the 3 together a little later
23:27 Fixer      #4530 is nearby ready too btw, there is concrete list of things to address
23:27 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4530 -- Fix superflous shader setting updates by gregorycu
23:41 rubenwardy #4566
23:41 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4566 -- Fix backwards compatibility issue introduced by close_on_enter by rubenwardy