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T4im |
rubenwardy: some of those issues seem ~4 years old, i can imagine how that might feel like there is no real interest in them |
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thePalindrome |
aye |
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Tmanyo |
does anyone know why I my server sometimes says servers.minetest.net/announce not found? |
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Tmanyo |
-I |
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paramat |
i guess because the public announce feature is temporarily unavailable |
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paramat |
so i guess nothing to worry about |
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Hijiri |
!tell |
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ShadowBot |
Hijiri: tell <nick> <text> |
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Hijiri |
!tell rubenwardy You reopened #2877 but it looks like from the conversation that it has been fixed |
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ShadowBot |
Hijiri: O.K. |
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paramat |
merging games 1165 1234 1240 1243 in a moment |
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paramat |
merging |
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paramat |
pow! merged and back down to 30 open PRs |
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Megaf |
system json still broken! http://paste.debian.net/plain/787620 |
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Megaf |
Zeno`: any idea on how to fix that? |
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Krock |
not the system json is broken but the minetest bindings |
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Megaf |
#4306 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4306 -- Minetest fails to link JSONCPP on Debian 9.x if -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=1 |
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Megaf |
Krock: your setence doesnt make sense to me |
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Zeno` |
I don't know enough about debian |
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Krock |
I meant that Json removed/renamed/changed these operators in a newer version than Minetest uses |
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Zeno` |
but it's just not finding the library to link to |
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Krock |
you'd get more errors if it couldn't find the library |
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Zeno` |
nah, those are linker errors |
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Zeno` |
weird |
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Krock |
it found the library but that one doesn't have these functions in it |
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Zeno` |
Megaf, are there any compile warnings? (before it gets to the linking) |
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Megaf |
Zeno`: none |
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Zeno` |
Hey I replied on my birthday heh |
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Krock |
happy bday? |
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Megaf |
Zeno`: you bday today? |
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Zeno` |
Nah, the first reply in the bug report |
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Megaf |
oh, happy birthday Zeno`, didnt know back them |
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Megaf |
then* |
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Zeno` |
umm, if you could narrow down the commit that caused the issue it would be helpful |
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Zeno` |
thanks Megaf and Krock heh |
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Megaf |
Zeno`: the commit that caused the issue was the upgrade from Debian 8 to 9 |
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Megaf |
lol |
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Zeno` |
oh :( |
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Zeno` |
does apt-get install Fedora work? |
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* Zeno` |
runs |
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Megaf |
At least we can exclude compiler related linking problem because I tests with GCC 4,5 and 6 and clang |
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Megaf |
dat grammar |
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Megaf |
[14:35:53] <Zeno`> does apt-get install Fedora work? |
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Megaf |
Did not fix, unfortunetaly |
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Megaf |
http://paste.debian.net/plain/787626 |
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Zeno` |
:D |
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Megaf |
Zeno`: ^ |
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Megaf |
1st package listed |
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Zeno` |
I have no idea what that means |
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Zeno` |
you can install it? |
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Megaf |
Zeno`: apt search packagename shows packages available in the repos |
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Megaf |
Zeno`: it's a joke... |
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Megaf |
I wrote that |
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Megaf |
xP |
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Zeno` |
lol |
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Zeno` |
you're too cunning |
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* Megaf |
didn't know what cunning means, so Megaf went to the dictionary. Megaf knows even less now. |
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Megaf |
I will take this definition. "2.adeptness in performance; dexterity:" |
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Zeno` |
sounds about what I meant :) |
| 13:47 |
Megaf |
or this one "6. Archaic. skillful; expert." |
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Krock |
google translator says it's something like "clever" with some "bad" |
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Megaf |
Minetest development is also culture I see |
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Megaf |
did anyone try did yet? https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/ |
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Megaf |
http://mesonbuild.com/ |
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celeron55_ |
a new build system? my first question would be: where's a large project that uses this that i can try out? |
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celeron55_ |
i don't like the syntax but that doesn't tell much |
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celeron55_ |
i like this: "Meson has been designed to be easily runnable from an extracted source tarball or even a git checkout." |
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celeron55_ |
i can't find any nonsense in the FAQ, which is good |
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celeron55_ |
looks like there are meson builds for gstreamer and pitivi; that's a bit impressive i guess |
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celeron55_ |
https://git.gnome.org/browse/pitivi/commit/meson.build?id=3003b26a08e8878d30f67de158cb9253cdad8522 |
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celeron55_ |
that's the pitivi one |
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Calinou |
yeah, PiTiVi recently adopted it |
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Calinou |
the Meson developers are considering integrating AppImage target, that's good news |
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sfan5 |
i don't like this: "Meson has been designed to be easily runnable from an extracted source tarball or even a git checkout." |
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sfan5 |
if it means that it works like waf |
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sfan5 |
where it downloads the twenty-third copy of waf i have when i want to build something |
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celeron55_ |
well it doesn't |
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celeron55_ |
that's just one way of running it |
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cat5e |
can we get a minetest.sqlite module? |
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Krock |
what does it do? |
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cat5e |
it provides sqlite |
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Krock |
there's already map.sqlite, what else do you want? |
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Krock |
or are you talking about the Lua functions? |
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T4im |
i think he means making sqlite accessible to minetest mods |
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Krock |
ah |
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sfan5 |
cat5e: install an sqlite binding |
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cat5e |
sfan5, I already need proper threads and LLVM bindings |
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cat5e |
sqlite comes with minetest, it could just provide it as a module |
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sfan5 |
that would be easier indeed |
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sfan5 |
but we'd need to add a lot of code for that |
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sfan5 |
also >threads and lua |
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sfan5 |
good luck |
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cat5e |
sfan5, hey I don't need to pass data between them |
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cat5e |
other than some strings |
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sfan5 |
if you need that much i'd suggest just modding the engine directly in C++ |
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cat5e |
everything else is just sqlite |
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Megaf |
anyone here that knows about legal aspects of selling a fork of Minetest available to talk on PVT with me please? |
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sfan5 |
i think the fsf has a page about selling stuff and the gpl |
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KaadmY |
there are tons of paid MT forks on google play, but i'm not sure about the "legal" part |
| 19:38 |
T4im |
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html.en#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney |
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sfan5 |
lgpl not gpl |
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T4im |
I'm aware |
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T4im |
but there is no lgpl faq ;) |
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T4im |
they mixed the lgpl stuff into the same one |
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KaadmY |
if the GPL allows selling, then the LGPL should be even looser |
| 19:40 |
KaadmY |
LGPL is more geared towards commercial software |
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T4im |
there is also a more philosophic standpoint on https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html |
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T4im |
but Megaf, in the end you'll have to read the license, no matter if money is involved or not, the license has to be uphold, and that's what those mobile forks might not do in the end |
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Calinou |
hint: almost no mobile fork respects the license |
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Calinou |
also, including proprietary libraries in a GPL or LGPL program is usually not legal, and most ad libraries/SDKs are proprietary |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
even if you distributed the source code along with the program, it could still be illegal for that reason |
| 19:47 |
Megaf |
well, I would not distribute the source with the program, but I would keep the license yet and the source would be available |
| 19:47 |
Megaf |
on github |
| 19:47 |
T4im |
from the lgpl directly "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee." |
| 19:48 |
T4im |
and a few other things, yea, best read it :) |
| 19:49 |
T4im |
noone of us is probably allowed to consult you on this anyway |
| 19:49 |
Megaf |
I'm afraid MT itself mixes lots of different licenses |
| 19:50 |
T4im |
like? |
| 19:50 |
Megaf |
irrlicht is zlib license for instance |
| 19:50 |
Megaf |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlib_license |
| 19:50 |
T4im |
that's a permissive license iirc? |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
Lua is MIT License |
| 19:51 |
T4im |
yea, that, too |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
and so on |
| 19:51 |
T4im |
those licenses are actually more free than gpl |
| 19:51 |
T4im |
more than lgp |
| 19:51 |
T4im |
lgpl* |
| 19:52 |
Megaf |
"One feature of the LGPL is the permission to relicense under the GPL any piece of software which is received under the LGPL" |
| 19:52 |
Megaf |
this is cool |
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Megaf |
now I know why there's no MT forks on steam, "There's also a one-time $100 submission fee per Steam account." |
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Calinou |
Megaf: the iOS App Store has $100 yearly |
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Calinou |
and Google Play has $25 one-time |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
Mac App Store probably has that $100 yearly too |
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rubenwardy |
Megaf, 4aiman put on up but did not pass greenlight |
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rubenwardy |
it was his fork |
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rubenwardy |
Magichet? |
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Calinou |
yeah, I think it was called like that |
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rubenwardy |
Got terrible green light reviews |
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rubenwardy |
partly due to censorship of bad reviews |
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Megaf |
Minetest requires 7 millions libs for crypto and ssl and sasls and stuff |
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Megaf |
libcrypt, libcryto, libssl, libssh, libsasl, link5 |
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Megaf |
WHY!? |
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Megaf |
libk5* |
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Megaf |
that's ridiculous |
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cat5e |
uh I wanted to ask something about minetest but now I forgot |
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cat5e |
:/ |
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cat5e |
it was a feature request I think |
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