Time  Nick       Message
04:37 Hijiri     not an official dev but I like the idea
04:37 Hijiri     inventory tabs is something that needs a canonical implementation
04:38 Hijiri     Or, a generic enough common interface to allow many implementations to work with any mod that implements the interface
07:07 paramat    ~tell rubenwardy your todo list seems good. until we get new engine support for ambience sounds perhaps you would be interested in considering using the lua implementation in tenplus1's 'ambience' mod, for fire and flowing water only though. fire mod sounds really need replacing, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1112
07:07 ShadowBot  paramat: O.K.
07:28 paramat    sofar if you can sometime, review appreciated game#1174
07:28 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1174 -- Ores: Clean up. Simplify. Add ores for upper realms by paramat
09:04 OldCoder   "WARNING: ACKed packet not in outgoing queue"
09:04 OldCoder   Are there any new thoughts on this one?
10:21 celeron55  OldCoder: normal operation of the network layer under less than ideal network conditions
13:04 Fixer      !tell paramat why only fire and water flowing? his mod works nice on 40 players server, why not include it as a whole? I did some mod profiling and it was lightweight iirc, I can do tests in singleplayer if needed again
13:04 ShadowBot  Fixer: O.K.
13:26 everamzah  a lot of the sounds are low quality (repeatedly compressed, lossy), and some may not be appropriate (canadianloon is louder than glass)
13:32 rubenwardy ShadowBot!
13:32 rubenwardy oh, msg sent in another channel
13:33 rubenwardy !tell paramat I'd like to investigate that at some point. If it's anything like the old immersive sounds / ambience then the effect isn't ideal
13:33 ShadowBot  rubenwardy: O.K.
13:33 Fixer      everamzah: that can be fixed by better sounds
13:33 Fixer      everamzah: with freesounds.org
13:33 everamzah  maybe, maybe not.  the sounds themselves are fine
13:33 everamzah  they're linked in the license files
13:33 everamzah  and you can get the original high quality sources, if u want 1mb ogg files
13:34 everamzah  but fire/water, maybe a few other choice ones to start
13:34 Fixer      ambience lite mod is 1.2mb
13:34 everamzah  i like the dripping one deep down.  yes 1.2 mb with very poor quality audio files
13:35 everamzah  i mean, they're fine on laptop speakers
13:35 everamzah  but more than the filesize/audio quality, i think many of the sounds don't really apply
13:35 everamzah  why add a canadianloon sound, when there are no canadian loons
13:35 Fixer      everamzah: avg bitrate = 46 kbps
13:35 everamzah  just listen to the sources
13:35 Fixer      everamzah: that can be removed if not needed
13:36 rubenwardy I don't like how sudden the transitions were on the old immersive sounds mod, and how only one sound played at a time
13:36 everamzah  i once replaced all the sounds in ambience mod is higher quality originals
13:36 Fixer      everamzah: it can be trimmed
13:36 rubenwardy *didn't
13:36 Fixer      rubenwardy: yeah
13:36 everamzah  ye i have no problem with the actual ambience mod, i love it
13:36 everamzah  i think the sounds themselvs should be discussed tho
13:36 Fixer      we need wind too
13:36 everamzah  in terms of filesize/quality and appropriateness of what they are (re: canadianloon)
13:37 Fixer      it is lifeless without wind
13:37 everamzah  yes, wind too
13:37 everamzah  water/fire a must.  wind good, i like dripping sound.
13:38 Fixer      i remember one game, that won "sound award" in 2001 iirc, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (released in 2001), ambience sounds were very good, they were simple but immersion was damn good
13:38 Fixer      big part of this is wind+leaves effect
15:38 Calinou    Quake had wind too :p
15:39 KaadmY     Calinou: wind in what sense? audio?
15:39 Calinou    ambient sounds
15:39 Calinou    and wind tunnels :)
15:39 KaadmY     wind has a nice atmosphere
15:43 rubenwardy It's much easier for games with premade maps to have ambient sounds
15:43 rubenwardy as you can place the sound sources yourself in the right places
15:44 rubenwardy but a procgen game would need to work out how to optimise/abbreviate large areas of sound sources into one source to reduce sound overlaying
16:26 rubenwardy game#1179
16:26 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1179 -- Add simple fast inventory by rubenwardy
16:26 rubenwardy (updated)
16:28 rubenwardy sfan5, nore ^
16:28 rubenwardy iirc you are the only mtg devs present...
16:30 Krock      we need more of that species called "minetest dev"
16:30 rubenwardy sofar ^
16:30 Krock      make a mod for it
16:31 rubenwardy Create a complete AI whose purpose is to develop Minetest
16:31 rubenwardy [30 marks]
16:31 T4im       if you're already heading for inclusion, could you maybe include the linting prepartions that are part of creative? that way I could drop those, if yours gets in faster
16:31 rubenwardy AI escapes into the real world, starts making the real world blocky
16:32 T4im       game#1164 that is
16:32 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1164 -- Variable and Value cleanup to prepare CI-Linting by t4im
16:32 rubenwardy okay, will do
16:32 T4im       it's probably just some variable renaming there
16:32 T4im       to avoid upvalue shadowing
16:32 T4im       thanks :)
16:34 rubenwardy the upvalue shadowing doesn't actually matter though
16:35 rubenwardy There's not really much point doing get_player_name() again, in face
16:37 rubenwardy done, T4im
16:43 T4im       thanks :)
16:43 rubenwardy urgh
16:43 T4im       it won't be a problem in most cases, but since this could lead to errors, the linter still fails on finding those
16:43 rubenwardy why do labels cover up buttons?
16:44 rubenwardy so stupid
16:44 rubenwardy how do I make a label center aligned?
16:45 T4im       ah, right, they have different margin/padding or something like that, eh?
16:45 T4im       I forgot the details though :(
16:45 rubenwardy found out how to make labels below buttons so they don't cover it up
16:45 rubenwardy but now it's not center aligned
16:46 rubenwardy paramat, game#1179
16:46 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1179 -- Add simple fast inventory by rubenwardy
16:46 rubenwardy oh, and hi!
16:47 paramat    will merge game#1081 game#1177 game#1178 in a moment
16:47 paramat    hi
16:47 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1081 -- Placing liquid in protected area fixed by tenplus1
16:47 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1177 -- Add api information for sethome functions by tenplus1
16:47 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1178 -- add position table reference by tenplus1
16:49 paramat    hm i'm useless at inventory/formspec stuff, and neutral about the feature, so i'll leave this to other devs :]
16:51 rubenwardy All those PRs look good ^
16:51 rubenwardy Says something when I find HTML/CSS easier to format nice things than formpecs
16:52 paramat    nore sfan5 sofar much appreciated if you can consider game#1174 sometime
16:52 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1174 -- Ores: Clean up. Simplify. Add ores for upper realms by paramat
16:53 T4im       I'll followup 1081 then though, that looks like that crashs (but already before that pr) when placing against nodes into unknown ones, if I see that right
16:53 T4im       shouldn't wait on that though, its probably rather rare, and a quick fix
16:54 paramat    ok
16:55 paramat    now merging those 3
16:57 nore       paramat: game#1174 looks fine
16:57 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1174 -- Ores: Clean up. Simplify. Add ores for upper realms by paramat
16:57 nore       but I have not computed how it changes the average number of ores per block
16:57 nore       have you?
16:58 * Krock    gives rubenwardy a good paper press to squash all the 10 commits
16:58 rubenwardy Will do on merge, Krock
16:58 rubenwardy It's useful for reviewing
16:58 Krock      oh okay
16:59 paramat    well the simplification of iron registrations changes iron density from 0 to -64, it's more common
17:00 paramat    i decided it was worth it for the simplification, and because 0 to -64 is such a small range
17:01 rubenwardy Can't see any problems with game#1174
17:01 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1174 -- Ores: Clean up. Simplify. Add ores for upper realms by paramat
17:01 rubenwardy Mostly magic value changes
17:01 Krock      yeah, it looks good
17:02 paramat    iron becomes twice as common from 0 to -64
17:02 rubenwardy Just noticed that my 's' key is broken, must be from too many ctrl+s presses. Only works if I press it hard
17:02 rubenwardy #programmertroubles
17:06 paramat    ok i'll merge 1174 too then
17:13 rubenwardy update #4276
17:13 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4276 -- Remove cinematic mode binding by rubenwardy
17:24 paramat    merges complete
17:25 T4im       heh, do I see that right? skymese?
17:25 T4im       ah, I should read the conversation first, nvm :D
17:26 T4im       nice
17:29 paramat    yeah skymese
17:39 T4im       game#1180 paramat
17:39 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1180 -- Fix bucket crash, but allow placing against unknown nodes instead. by t4im
17:40 T4im       actually two quick fixes, but the second is minor (no need to prevent placing on top of next to unknown nodes, if that is handled safely)
17:40 paramat    ok
17:50 T4im       s/of/or/
18:09 est31      will push #4282 in 10 minutes
18:09 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4282 -- Fix for cropped text "Toggle Cinematic" by SmallJoker
18:31 Krock      hehe.. labeled after merging
18:31 T4im       the bad news is, even with skipping builds, travis will still take ~30s before passing and that doesn't account for the time it takes for the system to even start building
18:32 est31      :)
18:36 sfan5      anyone want to bother to merge this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4239
18:37 est31      doing it right now
18:38 sfan5      thanks
19:41 T4im       #4284 seems to behave, following the tests
19:41 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4284 -- Travis: Skip installation and compilation for non-C++ related changes by t4im
21:45 OldCoder   <celeron55> OldCoder: normal operation of the network layer under less than ideal network conditions
21:45 OldCoder   Right
21:45 OldCoder   I've been experimenting with tweaks to improve reliablity
21:45 OldCoder   I don't think there's a way for it to be both reliable and fast though
21:46 OldCoder   I see that proller increased a buffer size to a value that may technically be illegal
21:46 OldCoder   I'll talk to him sometime if I can reach him