Time  Nick        Message
00:10 xunto       Hijiri: this channel is for core development. You'd better ask in #minetest.
00:57 OldCoder    xunto, people in -project will answer some questions as well
00:58 OldCoder    However, temporary voice is required there to ask them; people are invited to PM to request it
03:26 paramat     hi hmmmm, please can i merge #4216 ? commit message is improved
03:26 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4216 -- Dungeons: Generalise use, add capabilities, various modifications by paramat
03:27 hmmmm       sure
03:27 hmmmm       also 4177 looks good too
03:27 paramat     ok thanks
03:32 paramat     will merge both in a moment
03:45 paramat     merging
03:51 paramat     done
04:38 sofar       neat
04:39 hmmmm       one thing though is that i'm not sure i like making all these more basic blocks rotatable
04:41 hmmmm       if the textures don't tile up correctly then shouldn't that be the thing to fix?
04:42 hmmmm       all the more reason to improve the lighting system and free up a whole other byte
05:15 Hijiri      If someone was going to try and fix #2658, should they pull a php and make get_really_real_look_yaw and get_really_real_look_pitch?
05:15 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2658 -- get_look_yaw, set_look_yaw, get_look_pitch, set_look_pitch unable to use same values as input/output
05:18 hmmmm       if it's really a bug, why not just fix it?
05:18 hmmmm       it'd be true to the word of the documentation
05:19 Hijiri      the documentation doesn't specify where 0 yaw is
05:19 Hijiri      so technically it is still true
05:19 hmmmm       ahh
05:19 hmmmm       i don't have a problem with deprecating those two functions and then making new ones
05:19 hmmmm       get_look_pitch2()
05:20 hmmmm       and print a warning message whenever get_look_pitch is used :-)
05:20 hmmmm       that'll get people to REALLY fix it quick
05:21 Hijiri      I've never made an engine contribution but this seems low-enough hanging that I should try fixing
14:57 w_laenger   sorry, I wrote this at the wrong place: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/3192173/15683375/4b34d408-2762-11e6-99e8-09e0772bc9f8.png Are the textures supposed to look black if the base texture has a normalmap but the others don't?
15:00 w_laenger   Is anyone here?
15:01 Glorfindel  Yeah
15:03 w_laenger   I'm wondering, do you use shaders with bumpmapping, if yes, do you use automatically generated or custom normalmap images?
15:04 Glorfindel  I don't know, but if you hang around someone who does will show up sooner or later :)
15:04 w_laenger   ok, thanks
15:22 asl97       w_laenger: the person who know the most about those things is RealBadAngel but he died a while ago
15:22 asl97       iirc, he generate them using AwesomeBump, https://github.com/kmkolasinski/AwesomeBump
15:31 w_laenger   Ok, so I assume it's ok to have that PR opened: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4180
16:06 Amaz        #4227
16:06 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4227 -- Allow customising messages when a player joins/leaves a server.
18:57 Hijiri      I want to send a warning from a method in src/script/lua_api/l_object.cpp
18:57 Hijiri      actually let me just look at FFI docs
18:58 Hijiri      nevermind
18:58 Hijiri      Actually yeah, is there an easier way then calling it from lua?
19:23 celeron55   send a warning... to what?
19:26 Hijiri      to the console
19:26 Hijiri      I want to deprecate get_look_yaw/get_look_pitch
19:27 est31       ah
19:27 Hijiri      I wrote the code already using the lua API though, hopefully it is not broken
19:27 est31       i think there is special deprecation logic built in
19:27 OldCoder    Hijiri, will this break old mobs?
19:27 est31       better use that one
19:27 Hijiri      no
19:27 Hijiri      The old methods will still be there but they will give warnings
19:27 est31       OldCoder, it will not break old mods, only if you have set a special setting
19:27 OldCoder    OK
19:27 OldCoder    Ty
19:28 Hijiri      est31: where do I find the deprecation logic?
19:28 est31       moment
19:29 est31       Hijiri, use log_deprecated
19:29 Hijiri      ok, thanks
19:29 est31       it will print a warning to warningstream by default
19:30 est31       but if you have set deprecated_lua_api_handling to "error" then it will cause an error
19:32 est31       Hijiri, i think i can guess what you are planning to do... that's really cool :)
19:32 est31       there is this inconsistency
19:33 est31       if you pass directly the output of the getter to the setter, it changes the value
19:33 Hijiri      yeah
19:33 asl97       and the issue is #2658
19:33 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2658 -- get_look_yaw, set_look_yaw, get_look_pitch, set_look_pitch unable to use same values as input/output
19:33 Hijiri      I encountered the issue and it looked not too hard to fix
19:33 Hijiri      I was surprised the issue had been around more than a year
19:34 Hijiri      time to stall my computer out running out of memory for c++ compilation
19:34 Hijiri      or maybe not, since the code style guidelines says to avoid new templates unless convenient
19:47 Hijiri      It doesn't look like it's outputting the deprecation warning
19:48 Hijiri      get_look_yaw2 and get_look_pitch2 work though
19:49 Hijiri      Is this the right way to use it?: http://lpaste.net/166623
19:50 est31       Hijiri, in release builds it will print nothing per default
19:51 est31       try setting deprecated_lua_api_handling to "log"
19:51 est31       or do a debug buil
19:51 est31       d
19:52 Hijiri      alright
19:52 est31       to answer your question : yes it should be the right way
19:57 Hijiri      ok, looks like it works
20:02 Hijiri      PR: #4229
20:02 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4229 -- Fixes #2658 (Bad get_look_yaw/get_look_pitch) by raymoo
20:15 Fixer       paramat: "too much negativity about our lighting", it is not just lighting, but if you go deeper into render... and look into detail... moretrees shadowbug, Y=XX bugs, blinking in water of torches when looking through glass tunnels underwater, translucency problems, glitched shadows of unknown origin, strange blinking of water that was fixed by moving nametags to different file, z-fighting in water and cthulhu knows what bugs, but yes on the surface it
20:15 Fixer       looks kinda ok %)
20:17 paramat     heh indeed
20:18 Fixer       aslo, waving water effect when viewed in underwater glass tunnel
20:19 Fixer       not render one, sorry
20:19 Fixer       or it is
20:19 paramat     game#1116 can possibly be merged, anymore comments? nore
20:19 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1116 -- Make a ton of crafted blocks rotatable. by sofar
20:20 nore        paramat: :+1:
20:21 paramat     Minetest has many problems but overall it's fairly good and it would be exaggeration to call Minetest sh*t or sucks
20:21 Fixer       paramat: or cases when looking into wall don't really stops render of things behind it (per mapblock occlusion culing iirc)
20:22 Fixer       paramat: some aspects are shit
20:22 Fixer       not in general
20:23 paramat     the bugs in some aspects are sh*t, not the whole aspect
20:43 paramat     anyone know the exact height of the player model in nodes? the top damage point is 1.6 nodes above feet, is this because the player model is 1.7 nodes high?
20:55 sofar       I'm fairly sure it's 1.8 right now
20:55 sofar       but I can measure in blender
20:55 sofar       just not right atm.
21:17 paramat     ok great
21:34 VanessaE    about 1.768 meters.
21:35 VanessaE    greetz sapier, long time.
21:35 sapier      hello VanessaE
21:35 sapier      true, lots of things seem to have happened in between
21:55 paramat     thanks Vanessa
21:55 VanessaE    sure
21:55 VanessaE    sapier: so, what broke that made you stop by again? :)
22:00 sapier      someone told me there's some information required about networking subsystem but seems like everything is already fixed ;-)
22:00 VanessaE    oh heh
22:01 Fixer       all bugs went on vacation
22:02 sapier      that's good :-) I'd not have time to fix a bug myself anyway ;-)
22:02 Fixer       they will come back when you leave though
22:04 sapier      well then I'm not here to be uspset about them :)
22:11 Wayward_One Anyone willing/able to work on #2761 in case MoNTE is not willing or able?
22:11 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2761 -- Placing blocks with single tap
22:28 paramat     merging game#1116 game#1134 in a moment
22:28 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1116 -- Make a ton of crafted blocks rotatable. by sofar
22:28 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1134 -- add fall_damage_add_percent to farming:straw by cdqwertz
22:29 VanessaE    paramat: hold up a secon 1116
22:29 VanessaE    sec on*
22:30 paramat     sure
22:30 VanessaE    screwdriver doesn't rotate these new blocks>
22:30 VanessaE    <
22:30 VanessaE    GAH!
22:31 * VanessaE  manually draws a G*D damned QUESTION MARK at the end of that sentence. :P
22:31 paramat     it fails in your testing?
22:32 VanessaE    I have not tested it. just going from the comments including sofar's opening post
22:32 VanessaE    "The current screwdriver mod also refuses to rotate and alter param2, so this is safe to enable from now on."
22:32 VanessaE    I have to question whether one should extend rotation to more nodes if the screwdriver can't be used to flip them around where needed.
22:33 paramat     i think the first comment is unclear
22:33 paramat     these are made facedir so will be rotatable
22:33 VanessaE    ok.
22:34 VanessaE    so long as it doesn't act differently from other stuff like stairs.
22:34 sofar       it's safe because reasonably no node in any world will change because of this patch
22:35 VanessaE    maybe you should clarify your opening post then :)
22:36 paramat     ok merging
22:36 sofar       VanessaE: that might make it worse ;)
22:36 VanessaE    haha
22:48 paramat     merged
22:51 paramat     now you can fall 11 nodes onto straw without damage. time to make it craftable from dry grass
22:53 sofar       +1
22:53 sofar       yeah, 9 dry grass nodes -> straw?
22:54 paramat     as in game#884
22:54 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/884 -- Suggestion: Tweak straw
22:54 paramat     9 seems good
22:54 sapier      paramat dry grass directly results in thinking about a sun glass ;-)
22:54 sofar       seems anyone can just make a patch that implements it
22:55 sofar       paramat: are you going to?
22:55 paramat     yeah i'll work on this probably
22:56 paramat     884 that is