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00:00 est31 And I do prefer a binary format inside the db to store the player data
00:00 est31 we can write an application server owners can use to edit them
00:00 est31 with gui and so on
00:01 Fixer i have a bad feeling about this /me runs /good night! :)
00:05 paramat please can anyone review https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4134 ? fairly simple
00:13 cheapie OK, so it appears that improving the indexing doesn't change /rollback performance much, so the performance issue with it is not a DB problem.
00:15 cheapie About the only time it would likely help in this case would be if you had the map DB on an SSD and the rollback DB on a slow hard drive. I'm going to assume that's not a common use case, and so it's probably not worth the extra space this would make the rollback DB take up.
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01:54 paramat merging games 1094 1098 1099 in a moment
01:56 paramat merging
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02:17 paramat merged
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03:04 paramat https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1103 PR for vessels mod
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06:58 sofar paramat: fyi, I've got family over from Europe for a week, so I'm taking a bit of a break for a bit
06:58 sofar should be back to normal after they fly back
06:58 paramat ok
06:59 paramat we'll miss you
06:59 nrzkt sofar, you will be so near from me then :D
06:59 nrzkt where did you go ?
06:59 sofar I didn't go anywhere, my relatives are visiting me
07:00 sofar nrzkt: they are all from the Netherlands, as I am originally, but I live on the West Coast now in the US
07:01 nrzkt okay :)
07:03 sofar I have likely been near you, but a long time ago :)
07:37 nore could someone look at #3895 now 0.4.14 is released?
07:37 ShadowBot nore: Error: Delimiter not found in "An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information."
07:37 nore https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3895
07:38 nore why is ShadowBot broken? :/
07:39 nrzkt nore i added comments
07:39 nore thanks
07:40 nrzkt paramat, for the jenkins problem => https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKIN​S/Plugins+affected+by+fix+for+SECURITY-170
07:41 nrzkt => https://github.com/jenkinsci/ghprb-plugin/pull/336
07:41 paramat ok
07:41 nrzkt i should wait for a plugin update
07:42 paramat nore sfan5 any reviews for https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1103 ?
07:45 paramat also there's https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4134
07:52 nore paramat: looking
07:54 nore paramat: +1-ed both
07:54 paramat thanks for looking
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09:13 nrzkt ~tell est31: is the android build okay, should i release it on play store ?
09:13 ShadowBot nrzkt: O.K.
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11:22 gregorycu #3770
11:22 ShadowBot gregorycu: Error: Delimiter not found in "An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information."
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11:46 srifqi Seems, like Compiling on Windows page on Developer Minetest Wiki is really hard for beginner. How about simple step to compile Minetest? Since we already have a zipped folder (hosted in kitsunemimi.pw) which contain all library needed. So, user only need to download that .zip file and extract and with simple configuration user can self-compile Mine
11:46 srifqi test. How about that?
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11:51 * Fixer >_> gregorycu
11:51 gregorycu Indeed
11:51 Fixer gregorycu: some progress with it?
11:52 gregorycu Just git woes
11:52 gregorycu I want to get this sorted so i never have to think of this again :)
11:52 Fixer gregorycu: i will be glad to test it
11:53 gregorycu Has ShadowNinja done any work on it?
11:54 sfan5 srifqi: why does a "beginner" need to compile on windows?
11:54 Fixer gregorycu: no more work, I asked him, and he does not have any ideas about it
11:54 Fixer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3770
11:54 srifqi I mean beginner in compiling Minetest
11:55 sfan5 also the cmake setup will be different each time
11:55 gregorycu Thanks, I have ideas, I'm now at the stage where I want to force the issue
11:55 gregorycu As in, force the bug, so I can ensure any fixes work
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11:55 srifqi what do you mean, sfan5?
11:55 sfan5 paths
11:56 srifqi We can just saying "PATH_TO_BLABLABLA"
11:56 srifqi say*
12:01 gregorycu It's only like... 5 libs
12:01 srifqi Also, when first time I try to compile Minetest, I follow the page but getting frustated with missing dependencies. So I check the buildwin32.sh to find my mistake. What I found is that I might use wrong library. So I downloaded all dependencies from the URL in that script and it works!
12:02 sfan5 srifqi: no we can't
12:02 srifqi why?
12:02 sfan5 how would the computer magically understand that
12:02 sfan5 when you need to adjust all these paths for yourself after downloading
12:02 sfan5 you might as well just follow the guide on the wiki
12:03 srifqi Yes, I was
12:03 gregorycu The real issue is that different tool chains on windows need different things
12:04 gregorycu And expect different things
12:04 gregorycu You really want to build the deps once, and call it a day
12:04 gregorycu Not everytime you do a rebuilt
12:04 gregorycu rebuild
12:06 srifqi So, compiled deps can be "cached"?
12:08 gregorycu That's what cmake does for you
12:08 gregorycu sets that all up
12:08 gregorycu What problems did you run into?
12:08 srifqi Finding direct download to deps
12:13 Fixer srifqi: you use cmake?
12:13 Fixer srifqi: 32 or 64 bit?
12:13 srifqi cmake-gui
12:13 srifqi 32bit
12:14 Fixer srifqi: this link has links to this compiled libraries: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh
12:14 srifqi That is exactly what I did at first time
12:14 Fixer srifqi: just replace $blabla_version with a number specified above
12:15 Fixer srifqi: so what is the problem, try making your way by reading this script, i build with it too (somewhat modified it though)
12:15 Fixer build in debian, not sure about windows
12:17 srifqi There is no problem. I just suggest to add some easy direct download in wiki so that there no need to find right "download" button while finding right deps. Also, with simpler step.
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12:20 Krock srifqi, it's not so hard like you may think
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12:20 Zeno` building on Windows is not easy for the beginner because it's a crappy dev environment
12:21 srifqi but i couldn't found it :(
12:21 srifqi Now I can, ofc
12:21 Zeno` it's easier to cross-compile from Linux or BSD to be honest
12:21 srifqi you're right
12:22 Zeno` maybe someone could write a GUI app to build it
12:22 Krock I planned to make a video about it but I'm not sure if Win 10 works the same way
12:22 Fixer Zeno`: remember me ranting about large mingw folder and how it was confusing? and damn msvc 2005 was over 500mb... it turns out that msvc 2015 is 5-8 GB minimal install
12:23 srifqi So, another question: https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/README.txt#L236
12:23 Fixer now I'm looking at TDM-GCC with just 440 mb like it is very lightweight
12:24 Krock srifqi, the wiki page sohuld be more uptodate
12:24 srifqi But why the README doesn't get any update?
12:25 Fixer everyone is lazy
12:25 gregorycu We are not a professional outfit
12:25 Krock because there hasn't been added a reference to the wiki yet
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13:43 OldCoder <Zeno`> it's easier to cross-compile from Linux or BSD to be honest
13:43 OldCoder Much easier
13:43 OldCoder Simple, even
13:43 OldCoder Zeno`, tried the updated builds?
13:43 * OldCoder will be here later
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14:33 est31 ~tell nrzkt Android build works for 0.4.14, I've checked that
14:33 ShadowBot est31: O.K.
14:33 est31 ShadowBot, you wont tell, i know that
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14:49 gregorycu Arsehole bot
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17:19 est31 so what about #4140
17:19 ShadowBot est31: Error: Delimiter not found in "An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information."
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17:19 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4140
17:22 Fixer est31: dude who reported it should try it?
17:22 est31 he tried it, it works for him
17:22 Fixer i guess poke other devs to review it?
17:23 est31 :) thats what my msg above was meant for
17:24 est31 sorry that I am not reviewing other people's prs much
17:24 est31 im busy atm with so many things
17:25 est31 and my plan for the mean term is to continue work on my rust project
17:25 est31 Its still not finished
17:25 est31 although all the algorithms are written, it produces flawed output
17:26 est31 I have to fix bugs before i publish it
17:26 KaadmY what's the
17:26 KaadmY project est31*, anyway he left
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17:43 hmmmm i still don't quite understand but there are many people who leave the channel but keep looking at the logs
17:44 hmmmm if it's a matter of not wanting to respond to something right away, don't see why you wouldn't just ignore it
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18:03 naltamur Hello guys
18:03 naltamur Can I compile minetest under cygwin?
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18:06 red-001 why would you do that?
18:13 ElectronLibre red-001: It could spare naltamur the troubles of downloading/extracting/configuring all required libraries
18:15 naltamur ElectronLibre: yeah!
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18:16 red-001 well you could try
18:16 naltamur but I think it's impossible \0/
18:17 ElectronLibre Sadly I have not enough experience with/knowledge of Cygwin to tell you whether or not it will work. I doubt it will though, but there is a guide on dev.minetest.net for you to follow to compile on Windows
18:17 ElectronLibre It took me about three complete days to get everything in place; you should be quicker though.
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18:19 naltamur ElectronLibre: I'm trying
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19:56 Fixer is there any debug build for linux (say ubuntu)?
20:08 Krock I doubt it. Self-made ©®™ has a debug build
20:09 Fixer nevermind, owner is unlikely to run it or even with gdb
20:10 Fixer playing with horrible elusive bugs is much better :}
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20:15 hmmmm hey paramat
20:15 paramat hi
20:15 hmmmm i saw you got a little carried away with 'optimizing' bitwise and expressions used in branches
20:16 hmmmm on x86/64, at least, this thing is so common there's a dedicated instruction for it called 'bt'
20:17 hmmmm so for a piece of code like if (spflags & MGV7_MOUNTAINS) { ... the compiler would emit code like
20:17 hmmmm bt dword [ecx + spflags], 1
20:17 hmmmm jnc .no_mountains
20:18 hmmmm very efficient, no?
20:19 hmmmm and other architectures have similar instructions
20:20 paramat nice, ok i'll remember for the future
20:22 hmmmm the other way would have the same exact runtime
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20:45 paramat hmmmm being a shy and sensitive person, sometimes being connected to IRC can put me on edge and i find i can relax and concentrate more when disconnected, est31 prefers to disconnect sometimes too. i ask everyone to please understand
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21:07 paramat i've improved a lot, 2 years ago i was too shy to be on IRC at all
21:09 Krock lol seriously?
21:10 Krock IRC is just a place where you can start a flamewar without problems ;P
21:15 * paramat wonders if the 'trump of minetest' will build a wall at the world's edge
21:16 Krock no, it would be like a wall with a radius of 100m around spawn
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21:17 Calinou 1x1 node is enough for creativity! build a 3x3 wall around spawn!
21:17 Krock inside the walls it would be like in the desert because trump said that we need more global warming
21:18 Krock Calinou, but where should he put his billions of dollars?
21:18 Krock that needs space too
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21:32 Fixer no global warming, it is already too hot
21:33 paramat or even cubic warming
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21:52 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?​f=18&amp;t=14613&amp;view=unread#p218234
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23:29 kaeza just for the record, compiling under Windows is easy as long as you stick to C libs
23:29 kaeza (for precompiled deps, that is)
23:30 kaeza every damned C++ compiler seems to have its own ABI or something
23:30 kaeza so it's better to recompile C++ libs
23:30 kaeza WFM, YMMV
23:32 kaeza BTW, all that is assuming MinGW; no idea for MSVC, and I assume for Cygwin it's just the Unix Way(tm)
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