Time  Nick        Message
00:00 est31       Fixer, 0.4.13 had no delete singleplayer button either
00:00 Fixer       strange
00:00 est31       ermm sorry
00:00 est31       it might have had lemme check again
00:01 DonBatman   You can only have one singleplayer world. If you want to delete it you need to use a file manager or hook it to the computer
00:04 Fixer       it is close ~0.4.14, 0.4.15 should have autoreconnect gui dialog, seriously
00:05 Fixer       simple usability things
00:06 est31       autoreconnect?
00:07 est31       0.4.14 has that already
00:07 est31       it has to be enabled by the server owner though
00:07 Fixer       yes, if internet is down or server restart/whatever
00:07 Fixer       why it is server-side? :S
00:07 Fixer       nobody enables it
00:08 est31       Fixer, because not every server has automatic restart enabled
00:08 Fixer       just usual window with "Fuck you! Please reconnect"
00:08 est31       and those which have, can enable reconnect
00:09 Fixer       yeah, but I have not seen any server with it enabled
00:09 est31       then ask the admin
00:09 Fixer       good idea
00:10 DonBatman   I think pixel shadow has it enabled
00:10 Fixer       also, it seems maike made a very simple server without much mods, and it damn lockups again, it is strange :/ probably same issue that aflatus has
00:12 Fixer       something with threading, server works for 6 hours or so and slowly dies
00:12 Fixer       probably another ing bug of the year
00:12 Fixer       elusive one
00:12 DonBatman   I had that issue before but it was the ram slowly creeping up
00:13 Fixer       it has plenty of cpu and ram
00:13 Fixer       i7 and lots of ram
00:13 Fixer       it is not network
00:13 DonBatman   I have 6 gigs of ram and after an hour of playing it would use up all the ram
00:13 Fixer       seen his lets play videos he got sometimes 5 second door open lag
00:13 Fixer       not funny
00:14 DonBatman   not funny at all
00:14 Fixer       or maybe he was playing from his cellphone internet, that can also explain it :/ not sure
00:14 Fixer       DonBatman, not good, something is leaking, it is a bug
00:15 DonBatman   It has not happened in recent builds
00:15 est31       yes its a bug
00:15 est31       well it may be
00:15 Fixer       gn (actually i go to bed and play it some more on some servers)
00:15 est31       depending on your setup
00:15 est31       night
00:16 DonBatman   night
00:16 DonBatman   est31 what do you mean depending on your setup
00:16 est31       DonBatman, do you have high res texture packs
00:16 DonBatman   no
00:17 est31       okay then it sounds like a bug
00:17 est31       high view range?
00:17 DonBatman   usually 100 or 120
00:18 est31       thats not high
00:18 DonBatman   I can go higher but find it smoother at that range
00:33 est31       okay made a pr
00:33 est31       I think stuff is ready to roll now
00:33 est31       and bye for today
01:06 paramat     #4117
01:06 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4117 -- Mainmenu: don't show change keys dialog on android by est31
03:12 est31       paramat, what do you think
03:12 est31       should we write some stuff to the press
03:12 est31       about the release
03:13 OldCoder    Sure y not
03:13 * OldCoder  offers to help edit
03:13 paramat     erm
03:14 OldCoder    Emergency Release Management?
03:16 paramat     aw someone -1 your PR
03:16 OldCoder    ?
03:17 paramat     anyway go ahead i don't mind, but i don't like writing so won't get involved
03:17 paramat     #4117
03:17 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4117 -- Mainmenu: don't show change keys dialog on android by est31
03:17 paramat     if we decide to support keyboards more work is needed
03:18 paramat     must go eat now
03:25 OldCoder    est31, PM regarding possible press release if you like
03:25 OldCoder    If there is a significant development...
03:25 * OldCoder  will phone reporters who have covered MC
03:25 est31       There is I think
03:26 OldCoder    This seems suitable for #minetest-project
03:26 est31       (progress)
04:01 est31       If anyone wants to be involved, we are discussing this press release thing over on #minetest-project
04:16 OldCoder    http://minetest.org/pr.html
04:16 OldCoder    ^ Comments should be made in the other channel
05:12 est31       paramat, OldCoder and me think that its better to announce may 16 as release date
05:13 est31       as we arent sure whether we will release on may 14
05:13 est31       so better to have some days as buffer
05:13 est31       just that the press has a date to work with
05:14 est31       That still won't change us from doing the release when we think its best, like may 14
05:14 est31       does that sound reasonable paramat ?
05:15 paramat     possibly, although it's possible something might delay us longer
05:15 OldCoder    It is not life or death
05:16 paramat     i would be happier with sending out releases when release actually happens
05:16 OldCoder    It seems unlikely reporters will be highly interested at this stage; think of it as learning how to do this
05:17 paramat     setting a date is like 'stirring up the pixie of doom' as we say here :]
05:18 * OldCoder  suspects all will be well
05:19 paramat     anyway go ahead with what you all think is best, i'm not too bothered :)
05:41 OldCoder    Would anybody like to contribute a screenshot to a press release?
12:35 Fixer       nrzkt, you here?
12:48 Fixer       !tell paramat found flying trees slightly above water in android, seed is 1545594005093856815 -71 2.5 142 yaw = 296 standing on grass looking at water, trees close and above in air, behind them is small stone wall with other trees
12:48 ShadowBot   Fixer: O.K.
12:50 nrzkt       Fixer: i'm there
12:51 Fixer       nrzkt, yesterday you gave me 21 aug 2015 android build
12:54 nrzkt       Fixer: oh sorry, i'm not at home i haven't the up to date thing
12:54 Fixer       nrzkt, so I've used Zeno's build instead, it is close to newest
13:02 Fixer       !tell paramat screenshot of the problem https://i.imgur.com/IVHc9Em.jpg / mt 0.4.13-fb762c0a-Android Kitkat 4.4.2
13:02 ShadowBot   Fixer: O.K.
14:01 Fixer       rubenwardy, no delete world button anymore, unfortunately
14:01 rubenwardy  yeah, saw github message
14:01 rubenwardy  probably due to changes in advanced settings
14:02 rubenwardy  Another thing that Android needs is a close inventory/formspec buttons
14:02 rubenwardy  because using the back button is not obvious
14:02 rubenwardy  and is also against android design specs (back button is being used as up rather than back)
14:24 Fixer       yeah, minetest UI is cumbersome
14:31 rubenwardy  Movement would be a lot easier with a joystick style control, imo
14:31 rubenwardy  but meh
15:50 paramat     Fixer that's expected, it's a large cave extending beyond a chunk border and removing ground in a previously generated neighbouring chunk
15:55 paramat     DonBatman, Wayward_One here is an improved version of 4086: #4119 please can you test?
15:55 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4119 -- Android: Let the OS handle the hardware buttons by est31
15:55 paramat     or anyone else with android
15:58 paramat     *** release is probably tomorrow, sunday as backup ***
16:01 paramat     unless we work now to re-add change key support to android, i think #4117 should be merged
16:01 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4117 -- Mainmenu: don't show change keys dialog on android by est31
16:02 paramat     i think we can consider key support after release, i feel we should just merge this for less delay. please review
16:02 DonBatman   paramat I agree
16:03 paramat     ^^^ nore nrzkt sfan5 ShadowNinja
16:04 nore        paramat: fine with me
16:05 ShadowNinja paramat: Like the local mod install gialog was disabled "temporarily for release" a year or so ago?
16:06 Fixer       paramat, what about this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4120
16:07 paramat     after release
16:11 paramat     est31 is working extremely hard currently lets not add last minute work that is not absolutely essential
16:14 Fixer       paramat, is not bugfix needed? button was present in 0.4.13 but is gone for some reason
16:16 Fixer       where is android menu source located?
16:17 paramat     same as PC version
16:17 paramat     builtin/mainmenu
16:17 Fixer       delete button was either removed on purpose or gone because of some bug
16:18 paramat     DonBatman has said this is normal, use file manager
16:19 paramat     not a blocker
16:26 paramat     i'll now merge #4117
16:26 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4117 -- Mainmenu: don't show change keys dialog on android by est31
16:29 paramat     merging
16:33 paramat     done
16:39 paramat     DonBatman Fixer Wayward_One i'll be busy the next 4hrs so if possible please build latest android version, check that 'change keys' is gone from settings menu. apply #4119 (new version of 4086) to check it fixes issues 2122 and 1454, and play for a while to check for any new bugs
16:39 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4119 -- Android: Let the OS handle the hardware buttons by est31
16:40 Fixer       I can't build android version, if someone provides apk, i will check it, thanks
16:40 rubenwardy  The delete world button was in 0.4.13 in the settings tab
16:40 rubenwardy  and is now been removed due to settings rework
16:40 rubenwardy  so regression
16:40 paramat     ok
16:40 rubenwardy  you can't expect users to use the filemanager, that's bad UX
16:41 paramat     hmm well it's up to someone to code a fix asap
16:42 paramat     the release must be sat/sun no delays
16:43 rubenwardy  true
16:43 rubenwardy  and there could always be patch releases for Android
16:58 paramat     ok if someone wants to fix #4120 it has to be coded and tested before saturday, otherwise it shouldn't delay release, android is not a priority and is imperfect in many ways
16:58 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4120 -- Android: missing "delete world" button
16:58 paramat     bbl
20:07 Zeno`       I must be blind...
20:07 Zeno`       what does #4114 actually change?
20:07 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4114 -- Android: enable parallelism for main target too by est31
20:08 Zeno`       oh nothing
20:08 Zeno`       it's a placemarker
20:08 Zeno`       fair enough I guess :)
20:09 DonBatman   Zeno FYI we are discussing android build on #minetest-project
20:09 Zeno`       sounds ominous
20:09 Zeno`       thanks :)
20:33 MillersMan  sofar, about that static method in #4065: wasn't sure whether it should be static inline function or inline method, decided for the later as it accesses multiple fields of mapgen, but could also pass the mapgen as argument instead. what's your opinion?
20:34 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4065 -- Fix for flow issues in Mapgen::updateLiquid by MillersMan
20:35 MillersMan  Fixer: I haven't fixed the reflow issue yet. I'm currently concentrating on getting initial flow to top performance (4065) and once it is merged i'll update the reflow stuff (4061) so i don't have to always do everything twice without knowing whether the changes are to be accepted at all.
20:36 Fixer       ok
20:39 sofar       MillersMan: if it's an inline it doesn't matter much, you just pick the most efficient thing to pass as an argument
20:48 MillersMan  sofar: what's the prefered style then? i expect both to have same or similar performance after inlining and optimization so it's just a mater of taste