Time Nick Message 01:41 paramat hi hmmmm sorry to ask again, please could you review #4002 sometime? one of the last milestones delaying freeze 01:41 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4002 -- Mgv7: Combine mountain terrain generation with base terrain generation by paramat 01:48 paramat now merging game#1040 game#1044 01:48 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1040 -- Doors: Use LBM instead of ABM to convert doors. by sofar 01:48 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1044 -- Flowers: Make flower spread a public function to enable override by paramat 01:52 Warr1024 is there a way in the mod api to save a schematic including node metadata? 01:52 paramat hm doubt it 01:53 paramat schematics only contain node id, param1, param2 01:53 Warr1024 is there any reasonably good way to serialize node marialize node metadata? 01:53 Warr1024 s/mari/seri/ 01:54 Warr1024 it looks like to_table() is kicking back raw InvRefs instead of tables, so I'd have to do this complex bunch of loops... 01:57 paramat if you see her on channels 'Sokomine' is perhaps the expert on this 01:58 Warr1024 ah, thanks 02:03 paramat merges complete 02:03 paramat and she has some impressive schematic related mods on the forum 03:21 DI3HARD139 How can I change the path for CURL? 04:10 paramat hmmmm freeze is hopefully this coming weekend, in case there's anything you feel needs to go in 04:30 paramat will merge game#1017 in a moment 04:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1017 -- Fire: Higher chance of removing flammable nodes by paramat 04:32 paramat now merging 04:34 paramat merged 04:42 paramat VanessaE you'll now need to override the flower spread function to include the check for 'group:flora_block' :) 04:42 VanessaE yep. I know. 04:42 VanessaE I'll wait for release before I change that, since feature freeze is imminentg 04:42 VanessaE imminent* 05:29 DI3HARD139 When choosing which spatialindex-*.lib file, do I use the -32 or _c-32? 09:00 celeron55 things seem to be working now again, exactly at UTC 9:00 15:25 hmmmm omg 15:25 hmmmm sp500 hit 2,100 15:26 hmmmm first time this happened in over 6 months 15:26 Krock sorry, what? 15:26 hmmmm whoops wrong channel 15:26 Krock lol 16:00 sofar hmmmm: also, INTC earnings today! 16:00 Fixer yeah, and we are stuck with recession and shit500 hit -2100 :/ 16:00 * sofar wonders if his stock will go up or down :o 16:01 * Fixer has no stock 16:02 Fixer some people actually discuss that kind of indexes, over here it is: please raise my wages, my pansion, lower pay for heating/electricity don't care how la-la-la 16:04 sofar here it is: better healthcare, stop making people go bankrupt over health issues, kill all politicians 16:04 Fixer i forgot last part :) 16:04 sofar um wait, that last thing is supposed to read: kill all politicians!!!! 16:04 sofar anyway 16:04 Fixer yes, states have problems with health services, even i know that 16:05 Fixer canada rocks /cough/ 17:11 hmmmm sofar, you work at $INTC yes? 17:12 hmmmm your thoughts on the upcoming layoffs? 17:16 sofar I can't comment on that, obviously. 17:16 sofar but, if you look at any company this size, you'll see that stuff like that happens every year. 17:19 hmmmm can't imagine it helps employee morale 17:19 hmmmm this is a layoff on the magnitude of MS's 17:21 sofar rumors are rumors 17:23 hmmmm he he he, just hope it's not your entire QA/validation department! 17:23 hmmmm intel has been getting sloppy with cpu validation lately, lots more errors in the silicon these days it seems 17:24 sofar our ClearLinux QA is part of our team, not part of a separate organization. 17:24 sfan5 still better than AMD 17:24 hmmmm AMD cuts corners 17:24 hmmmm literally 17:25 hmmmm idunno man, if i were a gambling man i'd go long on amd. Zen is going to be competitive simply because intel has not been making any real improvements in ipc lately. 17:25 sfan5 i've found intel cpus to simply be more powerful in the past 17:26 sfan5 maybe i've tested the wrong ones though 17:40 Fixer intel is nice, i hope amd catch up with zen 17:40 Fixer i've used AMD Duron 900MHz many years ago as CPU 17:40 Fixer Athlons were good competitors to P3 17:43 Krock nut just against P3 IMO 17:43 Krock *not 17:44 hmmmm back when i was rocking my athlon 64 3500+ the mapgen took literally 2 minutes to make a single chunk 17:45 Fixer hmmmm, not good, i was playing on P4 2.8GHz and mapgen was fine 17:45 hmmmm but now that i'm Intel Inside(tm) and i made several huge optimizations it now takes 60 milliseconds 17:46 Fixer i doubt that was Athlons fault 17:46 Calinou Fixer, I think people are a bit too hopeful for Zen 17:47 Calinou the last CPU "revolution" was like a decade ago... 17:47 Krock 2 minutes for a chunk? go include LuaJIT instantly! 17:47 Fixer Calinou, it is not revo, they will just use the same architecture as Intel iirc 17:48 Fixer "Reports from AMD indicate that Zen will abandon modular CMT (Clustered Multithread) for a [17]SMT (Simultaneous Multithreading) microarchitecture, which is similar to, but not the same model that Intel uses." 17:48 Fixer that should help a lot 17:49 Krock Calinou, a decade ago but good processors are still expensive 17:51 Calinou Fixer, maybe they'll reach Sandy/Ivy Bridge level only... :( 17:51 Calinou there's little hope that they can reach even Haswell level 17:51 Fixer Calinou, that will be good enough 17:51 Calinou yeah but in comparison to Intel's Skylake, it'd fall short 17:51 Calinou especially if you find a deal on an Intel CPU (I've seen an i7-6700K for €350) 17:51 Fixer Calinou, i think last big jump was before SandyBridge or just after it 17:51 Calinou there's still quite a bit of difference between Sandy Bridge and Skylake :) 17:51 Calinou both frequencies and IPCs have increased 17:52 Fixer too costly, sorry, we have serious devaluation, no more toys :( 17:52 Calinou not by much, but they still did 17:52 Calinou Fixer, if only one could download hardware... :D 17:52 Fixer and dollar wages 17:53 Krock Calinou, that would be like when you could eat software 17:53 Fixer thank chtulhu i recognised catastrophe 1 year before and we exchanged some more currency to dollars 17:54 Fixer broght dslr and new pc in time :} 17:55 Fixer ready for a cataclysm (tm) 17:57 PilzAdam so much offtopic here 18:02 hmmmm YO my main mushroom man, what's going on? 18:02 hmmmm haven't seen you around lately 18:03 Fixer mushroom man? 18:03 hmmmm pilz is german for mushroom 18:03 Fixer got it 18:04 PilzAdam this sounds like I'm supplying you with mushrooms 18:04 PilzAdam for any feds reading: I'm not 18:06 Fixer mushrooms... mmm 19:58 Warr1024 on Debian 8, trying to compile for Android, but it's failing on building curl. Am I missing something obvious? Did something change lately? 20:16 nrzkt Warr1024, no problem for me with curl, i only noticed a problem with linking on openssl 1.0.2g 20:18 Warr1024 ah, I remember having had openssl issues at one point... I wonder what I did to work around it? 20:19 Warr1024 hopefully there will be another release soon enough so I can use offical bins on some platforms... 20:20 nrzkt i haven't solved the openssl issue yet, it's anoying 20:30 Warr1024 looks like there are some 64-bit constants in test_serialization.cpp that cause compiling to fail on 32-bit archs, too. 20:31 Warr1024 appending LL to them to force the type seems to have gotten past it... 20:40 hmmmm whoops :( 20:58 sofar hmmmm: looks like it'll be a depressing day here - http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2016/04/intel_quarterly_results.html#incart_2box 20:59 hmmmm layoffs usually increase stock price in the short term, but i wouldn't bother buying up more since the news has already been priced in 20:59 hmmmm too late! 21:03 sofar I'm actually hoping to sell some soon :) 21:04 hmmmm iunno i'd just hold to be honest 21:04 hmmmm it's nice for income 21:05 sofar trying to build a house soon... 21:05 sofar after hours plunge already 3%+ 21:07 sofar tbh they didn't miss the earnings estimates by much. picky brokers 21:20 jin_xi guys, anyone up for looking at some mt hacking questions? 21:21 jin_xi effing particles again... 21:42 Wayward1 Warr1024, does your apk compile failure resemble #4005? 21:42 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4005 -- Minetest.apk build failure 23:19 Warr1024 Yes, #4005 is the error I'm having. 23:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4005 -- Minetest.apk build failure 23:19 Warr1024 good to know that it's not just my setup that's messed up, but it's a shame that it's broken for anyone else... 23:20 Warr1024 maybe we should try a bisect and see if we can identify a change that broke it? 23:21 Zeno` Warr1024, so... nothing has changed for you in the last few days? 23:22 Zeno` I built for android only about a week ago and noticed nothing unusual 23:25 Zeno` so is that curl or ./conftest failing? 23:25 Zeno` (looking at lines 126 and 128 of config.log) 23:25 Warr1024 I don't remember the last time I tried to build 23:26 Warr1024 let me check... 23:26 Zeno` it looks like --host should be added somewhere? Hmm 23:26 paramat *** freeze at weekend hopefully *** 23:29 Warr1024 according to nerzhul's comment on the issue, curl 0.48 works fine, so maybe I can just change that in the Makefile? 23:29 Warr1024 whelp, I kicked off a build, so I'll see if that makes a diff... 23:29 Zeno` ok 23:29 Zeno` I'm also looking at line 125 though 23:30 Zeno` http://dpaste.com/26NZ2KE 23:31 Zeno` which is probably nothing 23:32 Warr1024 yeah, curl 7.48.0 gives me the same shit. 23:33 Zeno` in the NDK? 23:33 Warr1024 according to Makefile, curl is alrady build with --host=${TARGET_HOST} 23:33 Warr1024 which should evaluate to --host=arm-linux 23:34 Zeno` I guess one of us should install Ubuntu to try and replicate 23:35 Warr1024 my last good build was 2016-01-04 23:35 Warr1024 I'm on Debian 8 and am having the same problem, so I'm going to see if the old code is failing for me too 23:35 Zeno` well if there is an error it should be easy to bisect at least 23:35 Zeno` thanks 23:35 Warr1024 if it is then it must be something that changed on my system like a package upate 23:36 Warr1024 if not, then I can try a bisect and see what changed in the codebase. 23:36 Zeno` I'd just look at the git history for the android makefiles first, but yeah 23:41 Zeno` why is my CPU so hot :/ 23:41 Warr1024 yeah, a few suspicious revs in there. 23:41 Zeno` ok, I'll try again when back on my dev computer 23:41 Warr1024 stuff like "update a whole bunch of deps" which sounds like exactly the kind of thing that would break stuff... 23:41 Zeno` yep for sure 23:42 Zeno` and if it is broken that's a blocker 23:42 Zeno` hopefully easy to fix though 23:42 Fixer Zeno`, cpu is in australia 23:42 Warr1024 yeah, unfortunately it might be hard to untangle the good parts from the breaking ones... 23:43 Zeno` Fixer, it's only 12C outside (14c inside) and my CPU is idling on 58C lol 23:43 Zeno` Warr1024, we'll just remove CURL then! 23:43 Zeno` (joke) 23:44 Warr1024 heh 23:44 Zeno` Warr1024, I dunno how I can personally fix it though 'cause it worked for me the other day 23:45 Warr1024 well, I don't think I actually use it myself 23:45 Zeno` umm... what are you using? Debian or Udbuntu? 23:45 Warr1024 Deb 8 23:45 Zeno` I can install on a VM 23:45 Warr1024 well, it's not "pure" deb 8 23:45 Warr1024 was originally 6 and I followed the upgrade paths 23:45 Fixer i have deb 8 too in vm, but i cross-compile to windows 23:45 Warr1024 which means that there will always be a few odd bits of config that don't match a stock install 23:45 Fixer so probably no help 23:45 Zeno` Fixer are you able to build for android? 23:46 Fixer Zeno`, never tried it 23:46 Warr1024 don't we have CI for android or anything? 23:46 Zeno` so two people have the problem? 23:47 Zeno` you and Wayward_One? (both on debian-based linuxes) 23:47 Warr1024 as far as I know, yes. 23:47 Warr1024 is there a set of platforms for which cross-compiling to Android is or is not supported? 23:47 Zeno` Can you add a comment as well please? 23:47 Warr1024 sure 23:48 Zeno` Warr1024, I don't know. I had a lot of trouble setting up the silly android SDK/NDK I know that much heh 23:48 Zeno` kind of scared to touch my config now =D 23:49 Warr1024 yeah, I know the feeling 23:49 Warr1024 I seem to have lost the ability to build the desktop version, too 23:49 Warr1024 er, it builds, but immediate SIGSEGV on launch 23:50 Warr1024 tried to gdb it a bit, bt points to a problem in i965_dri.so or something, so it sort of sounds like a video driver issue.. 23:50 Warr1024 ironically, I've had the most luck getting it to build and run stable on OpenBSD 23:51 Warr1024 but there's no android cross-compile support to speak of, and there are some particularly annoying performance issues... 23:54 Zeno` this is very odd 23:57 Zeno` actually I'm not sure I like that patch