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11:23 Zeno` #3985
11:23 ShadowBot Zeno`: Error: Delimiter not found in "HTTP Error 404: Not Found"
11:23 Zeno` oops, #3958
11:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3958 -- Fix warnings from 01ae43c48009f816f4649fae2f7f6997452aa6cf by ssieb
11:23 Zeno` was discussed on IRC the other night and it's the same solution as I would have written
11:24 Zeno` if someone else can review also and commit that'd be great
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11:59 sfan5 Zeno`: blit_with_interpolate_overlay removed because unused?
12:00 sfan5 in any case: looks good to me
12:03 nrzkt sfan5 clang report unused static function outside of classes
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12:09 Zeno` actually, I'd probably prefer the blit_with_interpolate_overlay function to be simply ifdef'd away, but it's kind of debatable what the best course would be (I mean the code is still in the repo)
12:33 nore I found how to fix the die on login bug
12:33 nore I'm on my phone right now, so I can't test it
12:34 nore but it should be enough to set speed_f to zero when we return early from collisionMoveSimple
12:35 nore in the test that was added in the commit that broke it
12:36 nore if someone wants to test that, feel free, else I will do that tonight
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12:50 est31 !tell hmmmm who gave the second approval for #3899 ?
12:50 ShadowBot est31: O.K.
12:50 est31 i hope its the right number of m's
12:52 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/3949#issuecomment-205658992
12:52 rubenwardy #3899
12:52 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3899 -- Add an option to colorize to respect the destination alpha by ssieb
12:54 est31 ~tell hmmmm who gave the second approval for #3899 ? (sorry if this message reaches you twice but !tell may be broken)
12:54 ShadowBot est31: O.K.
12:55 est31 I've asked him via github before, but he didn't seem to react
12:55 est31 i guess he doesn't read github notifications
13:06 nrzkt est31 nobody as it seems
13:07 nrzkt he commits because he wants to commit
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13:22 foghrye4 In enviroment.cpp vertical collision damage is applied based on speed difference extracted from CollisionInfo.
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13:22 rubenwardy shieettt
13:22 foghrye4 What?
13:22 rubenwardy net split
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13:25 foghrye4 Anyway, in collision.cpp collisioninfo is updated only if all function is not return value early, therefore instant death on player joining to server cannot be caused by speed-related damage. Am i correct?
13:26 foghrye4 *whole
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13:34 Zeno` Actually, if there was already one approval than hmmmm himself obviously made the second approval
13:35 Zeno` which is how it's always been
13:37 Zeno` Oh, I see
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13:56 Zeno` #3940 ... I am on Windows at the moment but does the fix suggested by kahrl affect non-c++11 builds? If not I think it should be fixed since it's so simple
13:56 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3940 -- testAtomicSemaphoreThread failures (C++11)
13:57 Zeno` It seems pretty reasonable to actually initialise it
14:09 Zeno` it may have been a gcc bug actually, but I don't think it should have been initialised to 0 even prior to c++11
14:09 Zeno` (I mean the compiler shouldn't have)
14:47 nore foghrye4: what happens is that speed increases, and player dies when the map finally loads
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14:59 foghrye4 @nore a, ye, i can see that now. Enviroment.cpp at 2431.
15:08 rubenwardy #1075
15:08 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1075 -- Allow changing per-player FOV from Lua. by kaeza
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16:12 sofar oh, I had never seen a github comment from Krock until now, or did he change his github name?
16:12 Krock sofar, my email changed
16:13 sofar ahh
16:13 Krock 6 commits in total.. they were all +/- trivial
16:14 Krock (Those with the old email)
16:14 sofar I'm like, who's this nice chap making sensible and positive comments in a decent tone? :)
16:14 Krock Heh yes.. my active period was short
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16:35 sfan5 i feel like we need a "what people say" section on minetest.net
16:35 sfan5 we should put this there: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4dg0ca/why​_the_free_and_open_minetest_not_microsofts/d1qreo1
16:39 Krock Nice idea! That's well known from the new movies, where they add quotes from newspapers
16:40 Krock So new players can see what others think about it
16:47 VanessaE I never knew there even WAS /r/minetest
16:48 VanessaE (mentioned in the other comments)
16:54 Calinou_ Krock, "An impressive and thrilling open source game" -New York Times
16:54 * Calinou_ runs
16:54 Krock Calinou_, serisously? o.0
16:54 Krock *seriously
16:56 Calinou_ Krock, was a joke :p
16:56 Krock Calinou_, but something like that is what we need
16:57 Krock if there's nothing - just include stuff from erdit
16:57 Krock *redit
16:58 sofar rss feed on the main page in MT?
16:58 sofar could be interesting
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17:12 Fixer minetest does not even have a wikipedia page because some MC-nazies are blocking it :/
17:13 VanessaE "not notable" :-/
17:14 Fixer ******
17:14 Krock Fixer, go and find a page about a person with less than 50 words :)
17:14 Fixer even small brogue game has its page but not minetest
17:14 Krock and ask them if that one is notable
17:20 Fixer and page is protected from recreation and needs contact with admins
17:25 sofar that's a #minetest-project topic
17:25 sofar non-core devs should track down reputable articles and rebuild it with the proper support and references.
17:25 VanessaE we tried before.
17:25 sofar it's been a long time
17:26 VanessaE no matter how well-written the article was and how many sources we found (a lot) it wasn't good enough.
17:26 Calinou_ they consider even regular Minetest players as Minetest developers
17:27 Calinou_ we need Selena Gomez to tweet about Minetest, that's all
17:27 sofar good idea
17:27 VanessaE get Bernie Sanders to tweet about it :)
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17:28 VanessaE (you know, I think he actually *would*)
17:28 Fixer yeah, bias against minetest on wikipedia is strange
17:28 sofar it's percieved as a clone/ripoff/copy
17:29 sofar the bar is much higher then
17:29 Krock Also get a negative feedback from Kayne West
17:30 Fixer clone? any fps game is clone of every fps game, any rpg game is mostly clone of other rpg game %)
17:30 Fixer wth are they talking
17:30 Fixer it is not like it is a scam project
17:30 VanessaE well one can always try again to re-create the page
17:30 hmmmm if you've read about or seen the politics of wikipedia it'd really turn you off to it
17:30 VanessaE maybe sofar is right
17:30 sfan5 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:30 Fixer open source game that can be clone of everything really
17:31 Krock Aww.. I'd know such a good pun in a comic about clones but it doesn't work in english :<
17:31 hmmmm minetest is big enough to be an article, but select wikipedia moderators have decided to be biased against it
17:31 hmmmm i cannot have any respect for wikipedia
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17:34 sfan5 VanessaE: "So... exactly what IP was stolen?" why are you feeding the trolls
17:35 VanessaE actually I was just trying to bait the bastard into making a bigger fool of himself :)
17:35 VanessaE no matter what answer he comes up with, it'll be wrong :)
17:36 Krock But... but... there are so many people on earth, it could be that someone has used my IP before!!!
17:39 hmmmm i still don't understand how minetest can be "good for teaching"
17:39 hmmmm what is this meme and why is it so often repeated?
17:39 hmmmm and then we get people on #minetest saying something to the effect of, "hi I'm trying to use minetest to teach my students and blah blah blah"
17:40 VanessaE didn't you know?  it's open source, so it's automatically the best thing ever to teach with.
17:41 Fixer students in architecture or mining ops?
17:41 Fixer arts?
17:41 VanessaE I can see it being useful for teaching programming, particularly in practical skills.
17:41 sfan5 hmmmm: this is apparently very useful https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=14365
17:41 VanessaE do this --> this happens on screen, that sort of thing
17:41 sofar you can program a mod in minetest without compiling code and just a text editor
17:41 sfan5 i wrote it more as a PoC because it was talked about in some topic
17:41 sofar that's accessible...
17:41 hmmmm that's such silly stuff
17:42 Fixer ::))
17:42 sfan5 modding is most likely what you want to teach though
17:42 hmmmm maybe.. probably not
17:42 hmmmm the modding api is NOT simple
17:42 hmmmm it might've been at some point in history but certainly not anymore
17:42 sfan5 do you want to teach elementary maths instead? :P
17:42 hmmmm i don't want to teach anything
17:42 Fixer hehe
17:43 Fixer kids are messed up anyway
17:44 Fixer Azad has letters mod, so you can put words and numbers with that mod
17:55 hmmmm i fail to see how any of those are any more fun or educational than a set of flash cards
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18:01 Krock or the cheat game with a 36-cards deck :)
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18:01 Fixer oh well, you can't even teach with a stick and one hand
18:02 Fixer can*
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18:07 paramat hmmmm or anyone #3959
18:07 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3959 -- Mapgen: Optimise cave noises and tunnel excavation by paramat
18:10 hmmmm paramat, what about your other PR you have open?
18:10 hmmmm the one marked WIP
18:11 hmmmm are you finished working on that one?
18:11 paramat not yet
18:17 Obani https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3958
18:17 Obani two approvals ?
18:18 paramat yes
18:20 hmmmm i think the issue is more or less that people are too lazy to fetch the branch and merge it
18:22 celeron55 that's not an issue actually anymore
18:22 celeron55 press the "merge pull request" button and see
18:26 hmmmm ?
18:26 rubenwardy github can automatically squash and merge commits no
18:26 rubenwardy *now
18:27 rubenwardy no more "merge branch..."
18:27 rubenwardy commits
18:27 rubenwardy although it must be enabled by the owner of the repo
18:27 hmmmm doesn't it have to be set to do that?
18:27 rubenwardy there's a setting in the github setttings
18:31 rubenwardy on my server, items are taking ages to move, yet players seem to move ok
18:32 rubenwardy I took an item from a chest and put it into my inventory. It disappears from the chest, and doesn't reappear. I keep taking items, none appear in my inventory. When the chest is empty it disapears which shows that the server knows that you've taken items (chests disappear when empty)
18:33 rubenwardy about a minute later the items appear in the inventory
18:33 rubenwardy I recently pushed a commit which, every 10 seconds, sends 6*3 hud updates to each player
18:34 rubenwardy the packet counter records an average of about 10 per second
18:34 rubenwardy Every so often it goes to 25
18:35 rubenwardy Both the server and I have 100 Mbps connections.
18:36 rubenwardy !c 6*3*18
18:36 ShadowBot rubenwardy: math calc <math expression>
18:36 rubenwardy !math calc 6*3*18
18:37 ShadowBot rubenwardy: 324
18:37 rubenwardy that's my answer, I guess. It must be filling up the buffers
18:49 celeron55 rubenwardy: there may have been some node metadata sending changes lately
18:49 celeron55 (i'm not sure if they have been merged yet)
18:50 celeron55 if they have been, they could be the reason
18:50 Fixer not yet merged i believe
18:50 rubenwardy my server is running b9068
18:50 rubenwardy Revert "Translated using Weblate (German)"
18:55 rubenwardy I wish there were more tools to see where the network is getting clogged up at
18:55 rubenwardy heh
19:02 paramat game#1014 is ready for review
19:02 ShadowBot paramat: Error: Delimiter not found in "Page is too big or the server took too much time to answer the request."
19:02 paramat yep github is slow
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19:09 rubenwardy That's not funny
19:09 Obani Ban this ip
19:09 Obani wait
19:09 Obani it was voiced ?
19:09 Taoki It might be someone who's opening one of his computers
19:09 rubenwardy <realbadangel__> Sorry that Me Mati`1
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19:51 sofar it's a good time to revoke his github privs, or check that it has
19:52 sofar nore: VanessaE: ShadowNinja: what about minetest-technic?
19:54 rubenwardy He's not a core dev in minetest
19:54 sofar it was a more general comment. he may have push privs to other peoples repos.
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21:47 est31 hmmmm, seen my message?
21:47 est31 http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2016-04-05#i_4575599
22:01 est31 about the wikipedia discussion: I'm afraid we must play with their terms
22:01 est31 we have to get newspapers / news websites that are large enough to feature minetest
22:01 est31 the best thing to get that happen is to write to them
22:02 est31 press releases when we do a new release
22:02 est31 etc
22:02 nrzkt est31, in fact a new release should be done before doing that. then release this 0.4.14 and stop waiting for god
22:04 jin_xi huh
22:05 est31 is there somebody who can do that
22:05 est31 write press releases?
22:07 nore https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/compare/master...Ekdohibs:die_fix
22:07 nore github won't let me create a pull request :/
22:10 nore #3965
22:10 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3965 -- Fix #3955 by Ekdohibs
22:11 est31 Perhaps a nicer commit msg
22:11 est31 with the results of the discussion in 3955
22:11 nore est31: will do
22:11 nore Fixer: could you check it works please?
22:12 est31 you know, first line concise, second line empty, third line and following with text
22:14 nore est31: done :)
22:14 est31 did you push?
22:14 est31 ah
22:14 nore yep
22:14 est31 yeah got it
22:14 est31 +1
22:15 nore github is a bit slow though :/
22:15 est31 nore, https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/3955#issuecomment-206006506
22:16 nore est31: replied to your comment
22:17 est31 not that its a bug and we are missing it :)
22:18 nore would be good if someone could check it works before merging though
22:18 * nore goes to bed
22:19 est31 bye
22:19 est31 and thanks for the fix
22:19 celeron55 what would the press release after 0.4.14's release even say?
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22:22 celeron55 "we've been making this minetest thing for quite some years now and released a new version; it doesn't really do anything spectacular but here are one hundred tiny changes; don't ask for a mission statement or anything because that didn't really happen even while one person got a bit mad about it missing"
22:23 celeron55 i'm the best marketer, hands down
22:23 est31 :)
22:24 celeron55 the website traffic pretty much doubled today
22:25 rubenwardy from Linux reddit, you think?
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22:25 est31 it was all the minetest subreddit
22:25 est31 what else
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22:28 Fixer nore, i'm back
22:28 Hijiri what happened with wikipedia, minetest not notable enough?
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22:28 Fixer i actually proud of 0.4.14
22:28 Fixer 'm
22:29 Fixer nore, check #3955? i will do it, need 30 min
22:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3955 -- Death on login [commit with regression identified]
22:30 est31 http://pasteboard.co/2Odh3F2M.png
22:30 est31 nothing much has changed on github
22:31 Fixer i want to go back to HEAD, do i need git checkout HEAD?
22:31 est31 no
22:31 est31 that makes no sense
22:32 est31 except your working directory isn't clean
22:32 Fixer i'm at sep 26 2015 now, i need to go back to newest
22:32 est31 do git log
22:32 est31 ah to newest
22:32 est31 git checkout origin/master
22:32 est31 that's the newest
22:33 est31 (or upstream/master)
22:34 est31 ookay celeron55 you say when I press the "merge PR" button ,it won't create a merge commit?
22:34 est31 lets try it
22:34 celeron55 rubenwardy: i don't collect proper statistics to really say, but there are a lot of referer entries from that article and reddit
22:35 est31 somehow this UI is weird
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22:35 Fixer ok, compile time
22:36 est31 ah nice
22:36 est31 it works https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/24b32ab09d1967866ddc092cadc6f6d678dac0c6
22:37 Fixer thanks for info
22:38 Fixer ugh
22:40 Fixer missed new commit by 1 minute
22:41 celeron55 rubenwardy: or, well, i mean, there are a lot of statistics from www.minetest.net; that one tells me that practically nobody came from reddit and everyone from ocsmag.com
22:41 celeron55 but in there it was only like a 50% increase
22:41 rubenwardy makes sense, as there were no links to minetest.net but there was in ocsmag.con
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23:07 Fixer nore, fixes issue for me
23:09 est31 great
23:09 est31 then I'm merging the PR
23:09 est31 (nore's in bed)
23:10 Fixer i will play it locally to see if smth breaks
23:11 Fixer i doubt it breaks anything, nice that nore fixed it, this is horrible bug
23:12 Fixer O_O paramats v7 is sooo strange at times /O_O
23:14 Fixer never seen anything like this before: https://i.imgur.com/9WkNgWp.jpg
23:18 sofar yeah, it can get neat
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23:54 Fixer oh damn
23:54 Fixer another possible light in caves bug :/
23:54 Fixer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3964
23:55 Fixer can't reproduce yet

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