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08:46 yunfan do you have any protocol libraries or others that can let me build an headless bot?
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08:52 VanessaE yunfan: you mean like irc + irc_commands mods?
08:55 yunfan VanessaE: nope, i mean control real role to exploring server
08:56 yunfan it might be very interesting to made some intelligence ai
08:57 VanessaE not sure I understand the purpose
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08:59 VanessaE you can tell the client to just do random movements, but that still requires a "head".   you could also just write a mod that would do the same thing; there are a couple of old mods that are basically primitive AIs that so stuff like building things
08:59 yunfan VanessaE: yep, but still i dont want to do real rendering
09:00 yunfan and for eg, i might offer dig worker service to player, which i will host a bot who can dig as the player require and get the tool from arround's chest
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12:29 yunfan VanessaE: any protocol lib?
12:36 sfan5 yunfan: no
12:36 yunfan sfan5: why ?
12:37 sfan5 what you'll need to do is rip out or disable most of the UI code in client.cpp and write your bot based on that
12:37 sfan5 "why?"
12:37 sfan5 nobody wrote a protocol lib yet
12:39 yunfan sfan5: then what the client use?
12:40 sfan5 it uses the code we have
12:41 sfan5 but you can't just take network/connection.cpp and use it standalone
12:49 yunfan why cant? as i know , many such game have a separate protocol library, which just manage connection and send/receive events
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12:53 sfan5 yunfan: might be the case, but we don't have one
12:55 yunfan ok, then can you show the document for protocol? want to build my own
12:56 rom1504 yunfan: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl​ob/master/src/network/networkprotocol.h
12:57 yunfan rom1504: checked, not desired
12:58 rom1504 "not desired" ?
12:59 rom1504 that's the best description of minetest protocol currently
12:59 rom1504 and it's pretty much enough to implement too, imho
12:59 rom1504 *it
12:59 yunfan i need a overview of that, and that .h file only lead me to read more code
12:59 rom1504 ok, write that overview then
13:00 rom1504 it doesn't exist currently afaik
13:00 yunfan looks like finally i  need to rtfc
13:01 rom1504 you only need to read that enum + its comments https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/​master/src/network/networkprotocol.h#L158
13:01 rom1504 I wouldn't say that's really code
13:03 yunfan what about auth?
13:03 yunfan and init action
13:04 rom1504 that's about implementing the client, not the protocol
13:04 rom1504 and for that pretty sure you'll have to read the code indeed
13:05 rom1504 (which is much better than going the same for minecraft, where we have to guess everything, and no code to read)
13:08 nrzkt yunfan just read the code.
13:08 nrzkt you have comments explaining interactions
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13:35 yunfan rom1504: nope, there's  a wiki page which describe the extractly step of mc's protocol, also dont compare to the worse one
13:35 rom1504 yunfan: which was guessed
13:35 rom1504 it's in no way official
13:36 yunfan rom1504: yes, but they works
13:39 rom1504 yes they work for 1.8, because all the guessing work was done. But for example it's not done for 1.9 and mcpe.
13:39 yunfan http://dev.minetest.net/Network_Protocol  rom1504 this is what i need, thanks to someone writting it
13:40 rom1504 okay, I thought you found this already
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19:33 RealBadAngel hi folks
19:35 RealBadAngel whats up?
19:35 Fixer good
19:35 Fixer neutral
19:36 RealBadAngel one neutral, one left, any up?
19:36 RealBadAngel ;)
19:37 RealBadAngel two left.... damn shall i change the nick or what?
19:37 sapier https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3461 any objections to merging this?
19:38 est31 nope, it can go it
19:38 est31 in*
19:38 est31 squashed ofc
19:38 sapier ofc
19:38 Fixer just 11 months and bug is fixed :}
19:40 RealBadAngel better late than never
19:40 Fixer yes, some bugs are for decades
19:40 Fixer also, far map looks died ._.
19:40 Fixer dead*
19:41 est31 fortunately minetest is not decades old
19:43 sapier well just stop complaining about it and start fixing bugs ;-P
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19:58 RealBadAngel so, who has tested water shaders?
19:58 RealBadAngel hands up please....
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19:59 sapier shaders don't work on android ;-)
20:00 RealBadAngel i know
20:00 RealBadAngel and propably never will
20:00 RealBadAngel until GPUs from boxes go mobile
20:01 sapier come one, 2030 ain't soon enough ;-P
20:01 est31 RealBadAngel, there is opengl es
20:01 est31 just use it
20:01 RealBadAngel im kinda jokin, i was ZX Spectrum coder
20:01 RealBadAngel and then SAM Coupe
20:01 RealBadAngel theres a progress, slight ;)
20:02 RealBadAngel est31, ive bought tablet even
20:03 sapier well I'm quite sure mobils will by some time support opengl7 or whatever it's called by that time .. but that's not gonna happen the next years
20:03 RealBadAngel but still im tryin to code some generic things
20:03 RealBadAngel PC is gaming platform
20:03 sapier depends
20:03 RealBadAngel android can be
20:04 Calinou OpenGL ES 3.x is great, but Irrlicht doesn't support it
20:04 sapier I guess casual games on android have already more usage time then real pc games
20:04 Calinou same for Vulkan
20:04 Calinou sapier, maybe not.
20:04 Calinou average game on Steam sells 30k copies, average mobile game is installed less than 50 times
20:04 RealBadAngel definitely not
20:04 Calinou mobile gaming is a bubble
20:05 Calinou apart of Real Racing and Temple Run, people don't really play 3D games on mobile
20:05 RealBadAngel its good for farm games, diamonds or something like that
20:05 sapier I don't think so nintendos gameboy is almost dead and I don't think ppl do play less then by the time it was sold
20:05 RealBadAngel a few yrs behing pc platform
20:06 sapier for sure there are games that wont be played mobile
20:06 RealBadAngel MT is one of them
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20:06 sapier not sure about that
20:07 RealBadAngel u can test and taste it on mobile, right
20:07 sapier minetest game concept is quite simple
20:07 est31 RealBadAngel, sapier minetest's ripoffs have more than one million users, perhaps even more
20:07 sapier there's no need for realtime
20:07 est31 they just took the source code, rebranded minetest, added some stuff of their own, and did some marketing
20:07 RealBadAngel but in the long run, playing it on mobile is just a joke
20:07 sapier the only problem is controls but that ain't something unfixable
20:07 est31 bam, they get huge user count
20:07 RealBadAngel mass effect
20:08 sapier RealBadAngel: remember "socalled mobiles" today have bigger screens then original pc's ;-)
20:08 est31 hah
20:08 est31 yeah :)
20:08 RealBadAngel i am aware
20:08 Calinou Minetest is unplayable on my LG G3 (2560×1440, 5.5")
20:08 RealBadAngel but still
20:08 sapier I can't understand why ppl put dishes to their pants and call it cellphone but ppl do
20:08 Calinou text is tiny, it's hard to look around, you have no idea how to split stacks
20:09 sapier Calinou: don't use uhd screens ;-)
20:09 Calinou it's not Ultra HD, it's QHD
20:09 RealBadAngel about splitting stacks, there should be an input and output inv to do that
20:09 RealBadAngel two fingers trick is dead stupid
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20:10 sapier Calinou: you can be glad controls aren't as tiny as text it was heavy fighting to get dpi code into minetest ;-)
20:10 RealBadAngel those screenies are just to small anywaY
20:10 RealBadAngel pixels wont help you
20:10 est31 sapier, it has introduced lots of bugs
20:11 sapier of course ;-) as everything introduced to code that just doesn't honor it
20:11 sapier e.g. localization ;-)
20:12 sapier crazy
20:12 Calinou the dreaded Irrlicht GUI…
20:12 sapier couldn't those irrlicht guys have fixed the texture bug prior me updating the texture hack to their recent code ... and not one day after it
20:13 est31 lol
20:13 RealBadAngel why not having irr bundled?
20:13 est31 one patch less to maintain?
20:13 est31 great
20:13 est31 RealBadAngel, it is bundled, for android and windows
20:14 est31 and now lets stop discussing
20:14 RealBadAngel so lets do it overall
20:14 est31 I want to code tonight
20:14 * est31 codes
20:14 sapier https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3454 any objections?
20:15 est31 the curl removal and the html removal should be in separate commits
20:16 sapier I'd squash those commits ;-)
20:16 est31 other than that, havent reviewed the pr
20:16 RealBadAngel #3391 ....
20:16 est31 sapier, the issue is the changes are unrelated to what the pr does
20:16 sapier I'll call the commit "Android: Update Makefile with recent library versions" ;)
20:17 est31 yeah, removing html is not related to the commit
20:17 est31 so the commit should not do it :)
20:17 sapier well I'll remove it and let html in ther ;-)
20:18 sapier I'm not gonna squash and then resplit things beeing 90% identical if I remove things from that commit i'll not readd them
20:19 est31 its easily doable with git knowledge
20:19 RealBadAngel btw, wheres c55 with his farmap?
20:20 est31 remember the git hashes of the commits you want to have separate
20:20 est31 then do git rebase -i and squash everything, except for the commits you want to have separate, they should be excluded
20:20 sapier doable with git is same as doable ... git can do everything ... except splitting a single commit or rearanging commits in a easy way
20:20 est31 then do git cherry-pick them
20:20 est31 rearranging works great
20:20 est31 git rebase -i is your friend
20:21 sapier rebase can't rearrange commits (as far as I know)
20:21 est31 if there is a merge conflict it will try to resolve it automatically
20:21 est31 lemme try
20:21 sapier LOL automatic resolving of conflicts? in a ideal world maybe
20:21 est31 its called 3 way merge
20:22 est31 if stuff is separated with large enough distance inside a file, git can do it
20:22 sapier yes and that's the type of merge which quite often produces useless results (if it's not a trivial merge)
20:24 sapier I'm gonna try to resort commits via rebase but if it fails, no chance I'm gonna do this manual
20:24 est31 okay then
20:25 est31 but if you decide to squash then point it out in the commit msg
20:25 RealBadAngel sapier, i do always git reabase -i HEAD~x
20:25 RealBadAngel to squash x of commits
20:25 RealBadAngel -i is interactive, follow on screen
20:26 est31 and there seem to be trailing whitespaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/14077929/
20:26 RealBadAngel git push -f
20:26 est31 they should be fixed
20:26 RealBadAngel pushes it all
20:26 sapier interestingly it's also capable of resorting commits
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20:28 est31 otherwise the pr is fine with me
20:29 sapier ok history rewritten better this way?
20:29 est31 you know android very well, I trust you :)
20:29 est31 lemme see
20:29 est31 fine
20:30 sapier trailing whitespaces on patches created with diff? sorry but I'm not gonna fix automatic patches just because some other tool believes them to be wrong
20:31 est31 ill redownload
20:32 sapier guess I should remove the comment about texturehack patch too
20:32 est31 ?
20:33 est31 ah that one
20:33 est31 I see
20:33 est31 yea good idea
20:33 sapier done
20:35 sapier github seems to have issues with displaying diffs for diffs
20:35 est31 can you re-run a clean rebase with --whitespace=fix ?
20:35 sapier what is it supposed to do?
20:36 est31 to remove any whitespace errors you added
20:36 est31 like trailing spaces
20:36 est31 havent found any
20:36 est31 but git complains
20:37 sapier my editor is configured to remove trailing spaces so the only ones can be within patches and I don't even want git to mess around in patches
20:38 est31 makes sense
20:39 sapier as of the paste you posted it complains about all the new patches wich are created using diff -Naur a b >patch
20:39 est31 mhhh
20:39 est31 well then i guess its okay to merge
20:39 est31 i can try to download and build it
20:39 sapier would be goof
20:39 sapier good
20:40 sapier the only open issue seems to be monte's issue but I'm not sure if it's really related to some new thing
20:41 RealBadAngel sofar fences...
20:42 RealBadAngel anybody checked it?
20:43 sapier << merging android fixes ... additional ones can be done later I don't think there's gonna be a release tomorrow
20:43 est31 pls wait
20:43 est31 now I download and test it already
20:43 sapier but waiting for est31 to confirm build prior pushing it ofc
20:43 est31 hrmmmm
20:43 est31 patching file source/Irrlicht/COGLESDriver.h
20:43 est31 Hunk #1 FAILED at 39 (different line endings).
20:44 est31 and I did not do anything to the whitespaces
20:44 est31 I said --ignore-whitespace in my am thingy
20:44 est31 sapier, did you remove the irrlicht directory from deps/ before building?
20:44 sapier yes did a clean_all ... but doing it once again atm
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20:47 sapier https://gist.github.com/sa​pier/563634e7e9513c408a7a
20:47 est31 sapier, which ndk version do you use?
20:47 sapier r10e as mentioned in readme
20:47 sapier but did use r9d before no difference
20:48 est31 it does this for me https://gist.github.com/ano​nymous/15153117bc1e87619424
20:48 est31 it doesnt fail
20:48 est31 but gives the error
20:48 sapier well no difference prior changing to gcc 4.9 now you need something more new then r9d of course
20:49 sapier Invalid toolchain name: arm-linux-androideabi-4.9
20:49 sapier you don't have a ndk with gcc 4.9
20:49 est31 I have r9d
20:49 sapier which doesn't have r9d
20:49 sapier 4.9
20:50 sapier switch to 4.9 was one of the later commits I already did switch to r10e by that time
20:51 est31 btw this line should be removed from readme "E.g. prerelease Minetest Android builds have been 0.4.9.3, while the first
20:51 est31 official version most likely will be 0.4.10.4"
20:51 sapier there's no reason to stay at r9d r10e and matching sdk still compile apk for old android systems while I'd expect 4.9 build better code
20:51 sapier True but not related ;)
20:52 est31 yea
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20:57 est31 seems I'll have to update http://dev.minetest.net/Android then as well
20:57 sapier yes
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20:58 est31 okay ndk is extracted
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21:06 sapier great xml and png files are still there
21:06 est31 ?
21:07 sapier argh ... built old version
21:08 sapier once again
21:21 est31 okay it builds
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21:33 est31 sapier, there is a regression
21:33 est31 fonts get displayed weirdish
21:38 est31 sapier, http://pasteboard.co/6PNG3YR.png
21:38 sapier interesting
21:38 sapier what device do you have?
21:38 est31 galaxy s2
21:39 sapier did you delete your minetest folder?
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21:40 est31 no
21:40 est31 trying that
21:40 est31 we really should get rid of minetest copying stuff
21:40 est31 thats totally ugly
21:40 sapier true but for what I know irrlicht still doesn't support loading textures from assets
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21:41 est31 okay it works when I remove that dir
21:42 est31 strange
21:42 sapier I wonder what causes this
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21:44 est31 well, fine with me then, good for merge
21:45 est31 minetest seems to work more or less
21:45 est31 (all stuff I tested worked)
21:45 est31 ah no
21:45 est31 now I have a suspicion
21:46 est31 wait with the merge
21:46 sapier ok
21:46 est31 yeah
21:46 est31 I can reproduce the bug
21:46 est31 it seems to be curl related
21:47 sapier what happens?
21:47 est31 when I uncheck "public serverlist" then restart minetest
21:47 est31 then check the thing again
21:47 est31 the fonts mess up
21:48 est31 out of some reason they also mess up when I go into the credits tab
21:49 sapier hmm doesn't happen for me ... maybe because I don't get a serverlist anyway
21:49 est31 sometimes they only mess up a bit
21:50 est31 idk though whether its a regression of this pr
21:50 sapier are you sure it's a new issue? ;-)
21:50 est31 yeah, checking that
21:51 sapier E/Minetest(19486): 2015-12-17 22:50:51: ERROR[AsyncWorker-0]: servers.minetest.net/list?proto_ve​rsion_min=13&proto_version_max=26 not found (Couldn't connect to server) (response code 0)
21:51 sapier ahh wait ... maybe it's a firewall issue
21:53 est31 okay building master now
21:53 est31 ... my master
21:53 est31 which is 6133b2bc4
21:54 sapier ok loading serverlist causes fonts to be broken
21:55 RealBadAngel i do really love comments like BlockMen's ones
21:56 RealBadAngel for fuck sake, try the effect, not just THINK what it does
21:56 sapier guess update ain't ready for pushing Ill just push the removal commits
21:56 RealBadAngel asking for pixels in shaders math is just plain dumb
21:57 RealBadAngel BlockMen, officially, please do try it
21:57 RealBadAngel otherwise, shut up
21:57 est31 great you can reproduce
21:57 est31 gtg now, will be around again in about three hours
21:58 est31 then i can tell whether its a regression
21:58 est31 if you want to be there sapier when I come back its great, if you dont want to be there no prob either
21:58 est31 either way dont merge :)
21:59 sapier I'll merge the non lib commits only
21:59 RealBadAngel and please do note i cant do screenshots for your pleasure, its an animation
21:59 est31 fine
22:08 nrzkt sapier, on which PR are you working ?
22:13 sapier android only
22:13 sapier seems like fonts are broken after serverlist is loaded
22:14 sapier at least in updated version
22:17 nrzkt okay
22:18 sapier https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3454 I'm gonna merge the other commits of this one only for the moment
22:20 sapier https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2132 nrzkt can you check this out and tell me if it's ok?
22:24 sapier ok corruption doesn't happen on current lib version so it's most likely related to some of them
22:24 sapier I'll push re removing fixes now
22:25 nrzkt sorry but i can't test it on my own phone , it doesn support MT, MT crash at start
22:26 sapier what phone do you have?
22:26 nrzkt Ascend Mate 2
22:26 nrzkt Android 4.2
22:28 sapier can you provide a "adb shell logcat | grep Minetest" output?
22:28 nrzkt not atm sorry :)
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