Time  Nick        Message
00:52 paramat     now merging #3340
00:56 paramat     done
01:45 paramat     Default, fire: Disable catch-up in some ABMs. game #719 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/719
06:04 hmmmm       paramat:  I'm not really sure how to make this more obvious
06:04 hmmmm       without making the documentation sound stupid
06:05 hmmmm       "In other words, this means that any copies of the VoxelManip buffer stored in the Lua script do not reflect the actual state of the VoxelManip object.  The data must be retrieved again using VoxelManip:get_data() to reflect the current contents." ?
06:06 hmmmm       Honestly, I think it would be a lot more helpful if I wrote a paragraph or two describing how LuaVoxelManip works because a lot of modders' expectations do not line up with reality
06:06 hmmmm       they think it does a lot more stuff than it actually does
06:06 hmmmm       the whole purpose of the voxelmanipulator is to be fast, not "complete"
06:07 hmmmm       if you want something that will handle 100% of all edge cases and work in the manner you'd expect to make everything super easy for YOU, then maybe you're looking for minetest.set_node()
06:16 hmmmm       paramat, how about what I do is just push this as-is and I'll work on another follow up commit that describes how the voxelmanip works and why people are doing it the wrong way
16:43 fling       Hello.
16:44 fling       I've just installed HEAD master version and trying to play stampy_game on my server and getting a lot of spammy messages -> 2015-11-05 23:41:56: WARNING[Server]: collisionMoveSimple: maximum step interval exceeded, lost movement details!
16:44 fling       but everything else looks good
16:55 hmmmm       fling, that's normal to happen sometimes, it's just that you never saw that message until its log level verbosity was increased
16:57 fling       hmmmm: how to decrease?
17:00 fling       what is the best world backend? redis or leveldb?
17:00 hmmmm       well like I said, it's normal sometimes
17:00 hmmmm       it's probably not a good idea to mask a WARNING level message
17:00 fling       I want to increase performance…
17:00 hmmmm       I think this might be an indication that your framerate is too low
17:01 fling       I'm playing on a server
17:01 hmmmm       or maybe you're running a mod that has too many
17:01 fling       and I see it in a server log
17:01 hmmmm       particlespawners
17:01 fling       it is stampy_game , minecraft clone
17:01 hmmmm       leveldb
17:02 hmmmm       in any case, each client step is taking far too much time (over a half of a second)
17:02 hmmmm       there's too many things going on and minetest can't handle it
17:04 hmmmm       if you want to stop the spammy messages and you'd like to play as-is, set "debug_log_level = error" in the config
17:04 hmmmm       but I suspect your gameplay experience is suffering as well
17:04 fling       I have leveldb installed in the same container where I have minetest running ;>
17:04 fling       the gameplay is fine but there is a noticeable delay sometimes
17:07 fling       hmmmm: this page says redis is better -> http://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends
17:07 hmmmm       well then, use redis
17:07 hmmmm       i doubt you'll see any difference
17:08 rom1504     what about checking what's the bottleneck ? (cpu,disk,ram ?)
17:12 hmmmm       the bottleneck is almost certainly the CPU
17:13 fling       hmmmm: could you please test my server? -> mt0.dno.so:30001
17:13 hmmmm       can't right now, sorta busy
17:13 fling       sure! the cpu is e350m1 running a butch of other things
17:13 fling       thanks for help :>
18:59 Robert_Zenz I'd like to add the player name to dropped items, like this: https://github.com/RobertZenz/minetest/commit/ebd4cc99e85623568e7264a4010aee7b45138158
18:59 Robert_Zenz This would allow mods to query if an item has been dropped by a player, and yes I'm aware that these fields will vanish on restart.
18:59 Robert_Zenz The concrete usage example is an auto pickup mod, where this is needed to make sure that a player can drop an item without picking up right after dropping it.
18:59 Robert_Zenz Is there interest in such a change?
19:01 hmmmm       might be a good idea to ask that in #minetest where there are more modders
19:02 hmmmm       i am neutral on the subject
19:02 Robert_Zenz hmmmm, I meant if you want this in the engine, I can see why you would not want this, but I consider it a good diea (and I need it).
19:02 hmmmm       i'll let others decide
19:02 hmmmm       like i said, i don't have any opinion on the matter
19:24 VanessaE    Robert_Zenz: item_tweaks mod.
19:24 VanessaE    it works quite well and the player who dropped doesn't instantly pick the item back up (there's a short delay)
19:27 Robert_Zenz VanessaE, yeah, re-implementing/cloning item_drop is exactly what I would have liked to avoid with this.
19:29 VanessaE    item_drop != item_tweaks
19:29 VanessaE    though they are similar.
19:30 Robert_Zenz VanessaE, no, I meant the minetest.item_drop function.
20:28 BlockMen    would like to merge #3288 this weekend. any comments?
20:29 * VanessaE  pokes ShadowBot