| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:06 |
est |
hmmmm, how do you think should areastore do feature detection? |
| 00:06 |
est |
e.g. when you have a mod and you want to utilize areastore, but use a slower implementation if its not available |
| 00:14 |
hmmmm |
you mean in the case a mod is running on an older server? |
| 00:15 |
est |
yes |
| 00:15 |
est |
I have done it with if AreaStore which checks for the existence of the constructor I think |
| 00:16 |
est |
but if it doesnt exist, it creates an "undeclared global" warning |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
i think that's acceptable |
| 00:20 |
est |
ok, can you +1 it, or is more work needed? |
| 00:21 |
hmmmm |
uhhh |
| 00:21 |
hmmmm |
what's the point of forEach? |
| 00:22 |
est |
mostly serialisation. |
| 00:22 |
hmmmm |
but i mean what does that function do |
| 00:22 |
est |
it calls a passed function for every object of the areastore |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
why do you need a separate function to do that? |
| 00:24 |
hmmmm |
i have a feeling that you just want an excuse to use function pointers for some reason |
| 00:24 |
est |
its the most general way |
| 00:24 |
est |
e.g. one day that can be exported to lua |
| 00:25 |
hmmmm |
well if you say so |
| 00:25 |
est |
but I should comment it out |
| 00:26 |
hmmmm |
I guess so |
| 00:26 |
est |
and then I do what sn suggested, flattingout the area partly for the calls |
| 00:26 |
est |
not for the returns though |
| 00:26 |
hmmmm |
btw you never actually wrote the reason why you disabled serialization capabilities |
| 00:27 |
est |
first, I haven't implemented forEach for the spatial store yet |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
well write about it in the comments |
| 00:27 |
est |
second, perhaps we should use libspatial version |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
tell everybody why, not just me |
| 00:27 |
est |
they have serialisation too |
| 00:28 |
est |
ok I place a comment somewhere where they have to change stuff if they enable |
| 00:33 |
paramat |
hmmmm do you approve of game#592 ? i'm not sure i need approval from the mtgame team but perhaps best i'm cautious and wait |
| 00:33 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/592 -- Default/mapgen: Disable nyancats in singlenode mapgen by paramat |
| 00:33 |
hmmmm |
meh fine for me |
| 00:33 |
hmmmm |
it makes sense |
| 00:33 |
est |
can people enable them? |
| 00:34 |
paramat |
i think so by calling the function in a mod |
| 00:34 |
est |
also, I think we need a way of lua based unit tests too |
| 00:34 |
est |
ok |
| 00:35 |
est |
(unrelated to nyan cats :P) |
| 00:40 |
bobomb |
est, so what, the textures folder is pre-scanned? |
| 00:40 |
est |
yes bobomb. |
| 00:42 |
bobomb |
ahhh. |
| 00:42 |
bobomb |
thanks for clarifying |
| 00:42 |
bobomb |
rubenwardy was saying that this is slated to change though? |
| 00:43 |
est |
one day it will |
| 00:50 |
bobomb |
i'd be just as happy with "draw" abilities in the formspec, not loading an image but being able to define primitives or a raster that never exists as a file |
| 00:59 |
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| 01:10 |
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| 01:10 |
est |
yaay zeno |
| 01:11 |
Zeno` |
yaay? :D |
| 01:12 |
est |
refactor more stuff, make more regressions :) |
| 01:12 |
est |
#2959 |
| 01:12 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2959 -- Ability to launch singleplayer game from command line removed by 'refactor main.cpp' |
| 01:13 |
Zeno` |
lol, it's being refactored again? |
| 01:13 |
Zeno` |
oh wait |
| 01:14 |
Zeno` |
sheesh, that took a long time to surface |
| 01:15 |
Zeno` |
est, is that confirmed? |
| 01:15 |
est |
I usually believe rubenwardy |
| 01:15 |
est |
but no it isnt |
| 01:15 |
est |
lemme see |
| 01:16 |
Zeno` |
I've been launching singleplayer games from command line forever |
| 01:17 |
est |
whats the command |
| 01:17 |
Zeno` |
but by using an existing world/game. I wonder if it means launch and create |
| 01:17 |
est |
minetest --worldname name doesnt work |
| 01:17 |
est |
havent tested 0.4.10 though |
| 01:18 |
Zeno` |
hmm ok |
| 01:18 |
Zeno` |
https://github.com/Zeno-/mtutils/blob/master/massif_client.sh |
| 01:18 |
Zeno` |
I see that |
| 01:18 |
Zeno` |
I see that's multiplayer |
| 01:19 |
Zeno` |
I'll investigate |
| 01:20 |
Zeno` |
He must mean in conjunction with skip main menu? |
| 01:20 |
est |
yes |
| 01:20 |
est |
at least thats what I think he means |
| 01:23 |
Zeno` |
ok, I |
| 01:24 |
Zeno` |
ok, I need to reboot. Will bb in 5 |
| 01:25 |
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| 01:58 |
Zeno` |
what was the bug report link again? |
| 01:59 |
est |
#2959 |
| 01:59 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2959 -- Ability to launch singleplayer game from command line removed by 'refactor main.cpp' |
| 01:59 |
est |
top on the lis |
| 01:59 |
est |
t |
| 02:00 |
Zeno` |
Oh, I wasn't logged in... no wonder I couldn't see it :) |
| 02:18 |
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| 02:33 |
* Zeno` |
confused now |
| 02:36 |
est31 |
ah I see the problem |
| 02:36 |
est31 |
or at least I think |
| 02:36 |
Zeno` |
yeah I've seen the problem at least 3 times now |
| 02:37 |
est31 |
heh |
| 02:37 |
Zeno` |
actually I dunno if it's my commit |
| 02:37 |
Zeno` |
I've just compiled cb2d46766582f3b3696d907efd6a93f80e6a53ef and it seems the same ????? |
| 02:38 |
est31 |
also bin/minetest --worldname name --address '' --go works |
| 02:40 |
Zeno` |
yeah I think that's how it might be meant to work |
| 02:40 |
Zeno` |
those command line options confuse me to now end |
| 02:40 |
Zeno` |
no* |
| 02:40 |
Zeno` |
I can't see a regression anyway |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
then I think it can be labeled unconfirmed |
| 02:41 |
Zeno` |
I can't say I understand what the command line is supposed to be either, though :D |
| 02:41 |
Zeno` |
probably |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/blob/master/src/minetest.cpp#L150 |
| 02:42 |
est31 |
thats his usecase |
| 02:42 |
Zeno` |
I vaguely recall this being discussed about 6 months ago |
| 02:42 |
Zeno` |
what's the markup for strikeout? |
| 02:42 |
Zeno` |
I wanna strikeout my "confirmed" comment hehe |
| 02:43 |
est31 |
so its not even a regression if --address '' isnt specified? |
| 02:43 |
Zeno` |
I'm not sure |
| 02:44 |
est31 |
does it work back then without --address ?? |
| 02:44 |
Zeno` |
if I checkout cbdd467 then minetest --go doesn't launch a singleplayer game |
| 02:44 |
Zeno` |
it tries to connect to VE_Vanilla which I assume is the last server I connected to |
| 02:45 |
Zeno` |
cb2d467* |
| 02:45 |
Zeno` |
But, as mentioned, I am confused as to how it's *supposed* to work |
| 02:46 |
est31 |
well then its really the bug creator's fault. I guess its ok to label it unconfirmed and close it with the note to the correct way to use it |
| 02:46 |
est31 |
and if rubenwardy gives a command line or a point where it worked |
| 02:46 |
Zeno` |
maybe yeah... |
| 02:46 |
est31 |
we can reopen |
| 02:46 |
Zeno` |
yep, let's do that |
| 02:47 |
Zeno` |
hmm wait |
| 02:47 |
Zeno` |
leave me to investigate more |
| 02:47 |
Zeno` |
actually close it |
| 02:48 |
Zeno` |
minetest --address '' --go |
| 02:48 |
Zeno` |
12:47:09: ERROR[main]: No world selected and no address provided. Nothing to do. |
| 02:48 |
Zeno` |
that's what cb2d467 says |
| 02:49 |
Zeno` |
what have you got built atm? |
| 02:49 |
Zeno` |
(save me rebuilding please :)) |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
I have built something close to master (my areastore pr changes applied) |
| 02:49 |
Zeno` |
Either way I think the bug is not a bug but the behaviour *may* have changed slightly |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
it says ERROR[main]: Angegebener Weltpfad existiert nicht: /home/user/.minetest/worlds/world |
| 02:50 |
Zeno` |
yeah, so same thing? (essentially)? |
| 02:50 |
Zeno` |
just a different message? |
| 02:50 |
est31 |
it seems to look for the world in there. |
| 02:50 |
Zeno` |
yeah |
| 02:50 |
est31 |
but yes its a different thing |
| 02:51 |
Zeno` |
Can't really say that's a bug or a regression; it might have been added as a feature since |
| 02:53 |
est31 |
yea |
| 02:54 |
Zeno` |
Are you release maintainer now? |
| 02:54 |
est31 |
yes |
| 02:54 |
Zeno` |
Maybe for the release after this one a goal should be to clarify the command line options |
| 02:55 |
Zeno` |
I've always found those "implies" and the combinations of implications confusing |
| 02:55 |
est31 |
isnt release maintainer a temporary job you get assigned per release? |
| 02:55 |
Zeno` |
will piss a lot of people off though (those with scripts hehe) |
| 02:55 |
Zeno` |
I dunno... maybe it is |
| 02:56 |
est31 |
at least I think that |
| 02:56 |
Zeno` |
you're probably correct |
| 02:56 |
Zeno` |
release before last was handled by hmmm I think |
| 02:56 |
Zeno` |
and last by ?? |
| 02:57 |
est31 |
0.4.12? |
| 02:57 |
est31 |
I think hmmmm too |
| 02:59 |
Zeno` |
let's assign #2959 to kahrl |
| 02:59 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2959 -- Ability to launch singleplayer game from command line removed by 'refactor main.cpp' |
| 02:59 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 03:02 |
Zeno` |
#2958 |
| 03:02 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2958 -- inventory.cpp:629: InventoryList::getItem: Assertion 'i < m_size' failed. |
| 03:02 |
Zeno` |
^-- backtrace in 2913 |
| 03:03 |
* Zeno` |
assigns it to est31 |
| 03:03 |
Zeno` |
I am the assignation manager now |
| 03:03 |
Zeno` |
haha |
| 03:14 |
bobomb |
when a texture is not found a default solid color is used, is there any way to control that color? |
| 03:16 |
Zeno` |
I don't think there is |
| 03:17 |
Zeno` |
I could be wrong but I think it's random and part of irrlicht |
| 03:23 |
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| 03:31 |
Zeno` |
valgrind: ==25494== ERROR SUMMARY: 433467 errors from 55 contexts (suppressed: 0 from 0) |
| 03:31 |
Zeno` |
that's encouraging |
| 03:33 |
est31 |
hah |
| 03:33 |
Zeno` |
at last release it was 2 |
| 03:33 |
Zeno` |
(2 false positives) |
| 03:38 |
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| 03:38 |
est31 |
hmmmm, updated |
| 03:40 |
paramat |
will push game#593 and game#592 soon |
| 03:40 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/593 -- Default: New appletree schematic with tuned apple chance by paramat |
| 03:40 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/592 -- Default/mapgen: Disable nyancats in singlenode mapgen by paramat |
| 03:48 |
Zeno` |
what is onMapEditEvent? |
| 03:49 |
Zeno` |
addNodeWithEvent? |
| 03:49 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 04:01 |
paramat |
now pushing to game |
| 04:09 |
paramat |
complete! |
| 04:11 |
est31 |
ok what about #2827 |
| 04:11 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2827 -- Allow overriding the hand by TeTpaAka |
| 04:12 |
est31 |
and #2852 |
| 04:12 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2852 -- Make players respect makes_footstep_sound in the object properties by TeTpaAka |
| 04:22 |
paramat |
i certainly want the ability to change the hand texture in-game and per-player |
| 04:24 |
est31 |
ok opinions on https://github.com/est31/minetest/tree/ncurses-console |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
est31: aalib for rendering? ;) seriously though, what's it look like in practice? |
| 04:32 |
Zeno` |
is there any way to suspend mapgen? |
| 04:32 |
Zeno` |
(for debugging purposes) |
| 04:32 |
paramat |
not sure how |
| 04:33 |
Zeno` |
ok, so I guess atm the answer is no |
| 04:33 |
Zeno` |
might be something useful (but wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down on the list of priorities) |
| 04:34 |
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| 04:34 |
est31 |
VanessaE, http://pasteboard.co/2glpdhqJ.png |
| 04:34 |
est31 |
it shows off some of its features |
| 04:35 |
est31 |
tab complete, ability to do commands, fact that you "see whats happening" |
| 04:35 |
Zeno` |
est31, you may know. Does the protocol give up trying to send the map to the client after a certain time? |
| 04:35 |
est31 |
dunno sorry |
| 04:35 |
est31 |
why |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
est31: looks good, but you should echo the given command to the console |
| 04:36 |
Zeno` |
#2852 looks ok to me (the code) |
| 04:36 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2852 -- Make players respect makes_footstep_sound in the object properties by TeTpaAka |
| 04:36 |
est31 |
the "issued command" thing? |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
e.g. where you kicked yourself, "/kick est31" should have been echoed to the console ahead of the success message |
| 04:36 |
Zeno` |
also #2898 seems fine to me as well |
| 04:36 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2898 -- Add AreaStore data structure by est31 |
| 04:36 |
Zeno` |
as long as hmmmm's comments are addressed |
| 04:36 |
hmmmm |
?? |
| 04:36 |
Zeno` |
(not necessarily in the PR) |
| 04:37 |
hmmmm |
I think he got everything |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
est31: yeah. |
| 04:37 |
hmmmm |
like at this point it's just a bunch of minor style preferences |
| 04:37 |
hmmmm |
which doesn't matter |
| 04:37 |
Zeno` |
yeah, so I'm ok with it |
| 04:38 |
* Zeno` |
is currently reviewing btw (may as well do something while waiting for valgrind) |
| 04:38 |
Zeno` |
I dunno about 2852 so I'll skip that one |
| 04:38 |
hmmmm |
#2898 approved |
| 04:38 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2898 -- Add AreaStore data structure by est31 |
| 04:38 |
hmmmm |
let's get it added |
| 04:39 |
Zeno` |
yep |
| 04:39 |
est31 |
yaay |
| 04:39 |
Zeno` |
maybe it'll make my valgrind tests faster so the sooner the better :D |
| 04:39 |
hmmmm |
hhhhhh |
| 04:39 |
hmmmm |
before you valgrind test we should add the minimap leak fix |
| 04:40 |
Zeno` |
takes a long time to trace origins of 48K errors |
| 04:40 |
hmmmm |
it's probably the minimap |
| 04:40 |
Zeno` |
a lot seem related to that and tiles |
| 04:40 |
hmmmm |
#2946 |
| 04:40 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2946 -- Fixed minimap memory leak by t0suj4 |
| 04:40 |
hmmmm |
tiles?! |
| 04:40 |
Zeno` |
but I'm going to fully check just the server for now. |
| 04:40 |
hmmmm |
oh god I thought I caught that leak before RBA merged it |
| 04:40 |
hmmmm |
fucking RBA |
| 04:41 |
hmmmm |
"it works! just rubber stamp it!" |
| 04:41 |
hmmmm |
"here look at this screenshot!" |
| 04:41 |
hmmmm |
or maybe there's another different one i wasn't aware of |
| 04:41 |
hmmmm |
est31: do you concur? |
| 04:41 |
hmmmm |
with 2946 |
| 04:42 |
est31 |
well there is this move / give thingy. I think I dont like how c++11 calls it move, like give much better. |
| 04:42 |
est31 |
but guess its ok to merge. |
| 04:43 |
hmmmm |
oh who cares |
| 04:43 |
hmmmm |
i don't give you crap for your style preferences |
| 04:44 |
hmmmm |
i say push the button on 2946 |
| 04:46 |
est31 |
well ok then. |
| 04:46 |
est31 |
push it |
| 04:46 |
Zeno` |
yeah, push it! |
| 04:46 |
Zeno` |
the big red button with "do not push" written on it |
| 04:47 |
Zeno` |
I think maybe my valgrind session has crashed |
| 04:47 |
Zeno` |
I hate my computer since the components got wrecked :( |
| 04:48 |
Zeno` |
it's using 100% CPU but... |
| 04:48 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 04:49 |
Zeno` |
I think it's stuck trying to do mapgen... I wish I could see if it's a deadlock or something |
| 04:55 |
est31 |
its ok if c++11 calls it move, but this has nothing to do with lvalues or rvalues |
| 04:55 |
est31 |
this is about pointers |
| 04:55 |
Zeno` |
what's libnspr4? |
| 04:56 |
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| 04:56 |
est31 |
https://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/libnspr4-0d |
| 04:56 |
Zeno` |
netscape |
| 04:56 |
Zeno` |
wtf is using that? lol |
| 04:57 |
Zeno` |
oh... curl |
| 04:59 |
sofar |
a bunch of things can use it.... can compile curl without it too |
| 05:00 |
Zeno` |
hmmmm, are the onMapEditEvent things new? |
| 05:00 |
hmmmm |
hum |
| 05:00 |
hmmmm |
no |
| 05:00 |
hmmmm |
i don't believe so |
| 05:01 |
Zeno` |
http://codepad.org/r0GqwEAq |
| 05:01 |
hmmmm |
est31: if it's any consolation to you, that code is being changed quite a big by RBA if he's truthfully fixing up the minimap code |
| 05:02 |
hmmmm |
do you understand now why I want high quality code merged, and not half-assed stuff with a half-assed promise that it will be worked on later? |
| 05:02 |
hmmmm |
because that promise usually is not true |
| 05:02 |
est31 |
heh, no big deal. you can push the pr if you want. |
| 05:02 |
Zeno` |
what are map edit events? |
| 05:02 |
hmmmm |
shrug |
| 05:03 |
est31 |
hmmmm, I see |
| 05:03 |
Zeno` |
I didn't edit the map, I just dug a piece of tree trunk heh |
| 05:03 |
hmmmm |
i'm working on something |
| 05:03 |
hmmmm |
can somebody else merge it |
| 05:03 |
est31 |
hmmmm, the problem is however that some times criticism only comes if its pushed to master |
| 05:04 |
est31 |
I dont think TBC_x has leak-checked all PRs in the queue |
| 05:04 |
hmmmm |
TBC_x hasn't been pushing new features though |
| 05:05 |
est31 |
well I say that people like TBC_x only check master, and not the whole list of open prs |
| 05:05 |
hmmmm |
oh my god i need to stop talking on IRC otherwise nothing will ever get done |
| 05:05 |
hmmmm |
i've been working on this same exact thing for like 4 days now |
| 05:05 |
est31 |
have fun |
| 05:06 |
hmmmm |
it's my fault |
| 05:06 |
hmmmm |
i must have ADD or something |
| 05:06 |
Zeno` |
but you're our mental |
| 05:06 |
Zeno` |
mentor* |
| 05:08 |
Zeno` |
sofar, I guess Fedora compiles curl to use it |
| 05:08 |
Zeno` |
*shrug* |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: nah, you don't have ADD, you just need to ta---SQUIRREL! |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 05:12 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 05:13 |
hmmmm |
i'm wondering how much minetest would crash if I add assertions about floating point range in serialization |
| 05:18 |
est31 |
argh |
| 05:18 |
est31 |
dammit somebody has removed IS_UTF8_MULTB_START |
| 05:18 |
est31 |
and I think it was me |
| 05:19 |
est31 |
because I've followed somebody asking me |
| 05:19 |
est31 |
now I have to re-add it |
| 05:19 |
est31 |
because I need it |
| 05:32 |
Zeno` |
est31, srp.cpp line 815 (malloc not free'd) |
| 05:34 |
est31 |
Zeno`, client or server |
| 05:35 |
Zeno` |
seems to be client |
| 05:35 |
est31 |
yeah |
| 05:35 |
Zeno` |
I have to re-do that test because I didn't do it in my "controlled" way |
| 05:35 |
Zeno` |
but I'm pretty sure that one is not a false positive |
| 05:37 |
Zeno` |
(I'll probably forget to go back to that because I'm sidetracked on something else atm so I thought I'd better let you know ;)) |
| 05:38 |
est31 |
ahhh |
| 05:38 |
est31 |
I see now |
| 05:38 |
est31 |
two liner |
| 05:38 |
Zeno` |
yep, it would be :) |
| 05:38 |
est31 |
4 liner |
| 05:39 |
est31 |
its not freed at two places |
| 05:39 |
est31 |
handleCommand_AcceptSudoMode and handleCommand_AuthAccept |
| 05:39 |
est31 |
at both it should |
| 05:40 |
est31 |
and at both its a 2 liner to fi |
| 05:40 |
est31 |
x |
| 05:40 |
Zeno` |
don't forget to make a PR so it can be reviewed for a few weeks |
| 05:40 |
Zeno` |
</sarcasm> hehe |
| 05:40 |
est31 |
hehe |
| 05:41 |
est31 |
can you make a pr for all the fixes, or do you want me to make a separate pr for this? |
| 05:43 |
Zeno` |
? |
| 05:43 |
Zeno` |
can't you just push as trivial? |
| 05:43 |
est31 |
srp.cpp line 815 |
| 05:47 |
est31 |
pushing in 15 minutes https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/8a3edfee4e8af61af946347407ca6a7d26815a05 |
| 06:01 |
Zeno` |
+1 |
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hmmmm |
maybe fix the commit message? |
| 06:04 |
est31 |
note: it also causes a double free which im investigating |
| 06:04 |
est31 |
to which? |
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hmmmm |
8a3edfee |
| 06:04 |
est31 |
rrp |
| 06:04 |
Zeno` |
-1 |
| 06:04 |
est31 |
i seeeee |
| 06:05 |
Zeno` |
I'll paste the full valgrind output if you like |
| 06:06 |
est31 |
I have enough information to fix the leak |
| 06:06 |
est31 |
right now im investigating :) |
| 06:06 |
Zeno` |
ok |
| 06:07 |
Zeno` |
as said I'm not really concentrating... looking at the mapblockmesh issue |
| 06:13 |
Zeno` |
pushing #2946 |
| 06:13 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2946 -- Fixed minimap memory leak by t0suj4 |
| 06:14 |
Zeno` |
or not |
| 06:15 |
est31 |
ok new version https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/c34054cea3fc45d6bd5e385315c01f5677cefce9 |
| 06:15 |
est31 |
found the free that wasn't good |
| 06:16 |
est31 |
now with fixed commit msg https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/f336d3ffb657d2fcc72d06c28642c1b418e8dec4 |
| 06:16 |
est31 |
can I push? |
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Zeno` |
yes, much better. Isn't that what I said to do 30 minutes ago? :P |
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est31 |
pushed |
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Zeno` |
but yeah, push |
| 06:20 |
Zeno` |
cool |
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nrzkt |
est31: gg ! |
| 08:58 |
Krock |
Ehm. What's the difference between spatialindex-32.dll and spatialindex_c-32.dll ? Which one do I need for minetest? |
| 09:09 |
Krock |
nvm |
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est31 |
nrzkt, gg?? |
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nrzkt |
est31: areastore |
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est31 |
:D |
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est31 |
I've found yet another usecase: custom gravity |
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Krock |
est31, could you extend this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L202 with "spatialindex-32.lib" for win32 please? |
| 09:41 |
est31 |
Krock, nice idea, can you make a pr? |
| 09:41 |
Krock |
...k |
| 09:43 |
est31 |
man why is our render speed so slow? |
| 09:43 |
est31 |
http://pasteboard.co/2gFFjTvU.png |
| 09:43 |
est31 |
look at that game |
| 09:44 |
Calinou |
est31, Craft is an extremely basic game |
| 09:44 |
est31 |
it has double of the fps than minetest, and the area it renders is at least 4x as large |
| 09:44 |
Calinou |
also, only 21 fps |
| 09:44 |
Calinou |
I'm not sure if world height is large in Craft too |
| 09:44 |
Krock |
blame irrlicht |
| 09:44 |
Calinou |
Irrlicht isn't slow in itself, it's the way we use it |
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Calinou |
we should stop blaming Irrlicht for everything :/ |
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est31 |
it is basic agreed |
| 09:45 |
est31 |
but its renderer is still faster |
| 09:45 |
est31 |
it even has fancy leaves |
| 09:46 |
Calinou |
programming your own renderer by hand will always be faster |
| 09:46 |
Calinou |
but who in this community has the skills to do it? |
| 09:47 |
kilbith |
i tested Craft, it uses advanced GL shaders apparently |
| 09:48 |
kilbith |
but i'm more interested by that : https://github.com/fogleman/Craft/blob/master/src/sign.c |
| 09:48 |
kilbith |
you can write on every node |
| 09:50 |
nrzkt |
there are two optimisations to do on clients, as i said in PM to est31 |
| 09:51 |
nrzkt |
1. for particles: have a particlemanage server side which send particle manager to clients depending on their distance. This manager tells clients to add particle mgr where in range and remove it when not in range if he have it. |
| 09:51 |
nrzkt |
Atm client receive all particle mgr loaded on the map and do something with it |
| 09:51 |
nrzkt |
also this particlemgr should remove its entries based on particlespawner timeout and notify clients |
| 09:51 |
nrzkt |
2. Same thing but for SAO |
| 09:52 |
nrzkt |
we don't need to have all map SAO shown to client |
| 09:52 |
est31 |
this is possible already now |
| 09:52 |
nrzkt |
i think 100 blocs is sufficient |
| 09:52 |
nrzkt |
not really |
| 09:52 |
Krock |
est31, #2961 |
| 09:52 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2961 -- Extend CMake variable description by SmallJoker |
| 09:52 |
est31 |
and particlespawners is no that much of an improvement |
| 09:52 |
est31 |
# |
| 09:53 |
nrzkt |
it's a little improvement for maps with many many particlespawner and that permit to fix bug to particlespawner send to clients only one time |
| 09:53 |
nrzkt |
if we connect 10 sec after particle spawner spawn we don't see it if it lasts 10 minutes. |
| 09:53 |
est31 |
Krock, can you remove the sorting? its nice, but these things are "listed" at other places too and it would be cool to have the same order |
| 09:53 |
nrzkt |
for sao, effectively we don't have this problem |
| 09:54 |
nrzkt |
but i'm not sure of the distance |
| 09:54 |
nrzkt |
also clients doesn't need to know about too far blocks, they should be removed , regarding client distance to mapblocks |
| 09:54 |
est31 |
yes and no |
| 09:54 |
est31 |
yes because its otherwise a leak |
| 09:54 |
nrzkt |
if i can't see the mapblock i don't need to render it |
| 09:55 |
est31 |
no because e.g. players can teleport between locations |
| 09:55 |
nrzkt |
and to keep it in memory |
| 09:55 |
est31 |
its not rendered if its far away |
| 09:55 |
nrzkt |
if they teleport it's like teleport to unknown area |
| 09:55 |
est31 |
that would kill rendering speed |
| 09:55 |
est31 |
many servers have a travelnet mod |
| 09:56 |
est31 |
even vanessae's vanilla server had it as it still was called vanilla |
| 09:56 |
est31 |
erm sorry wont kill rendering speed but it will make teleporting back and forth tedious |
| 09:56 |
est31 |
we need a better mechanism for this |
| 09:56 |
nrzkt |
yes |
| 09:57 |
nrzkt |
a timeout + distance could be good |
| 09:57 |
nrzkt |
if distance > MAX && timeout done => unload |
| 09:57 |
est31 |
e.g. record the last 10 128x128x128 blocks a client was in. |
| 09:57 |
est31 |
for those we store stuff |
| 09:57 |
est31 |
for the old ones, we delete |
| 09:57 |
est31 |
the limit can be configured |
| 09:59 |
nrzkt |
yes |
| 09:59 |
nrzkt |
it's a good thing for modest devices like android |
| 09:59 |
Krock |
est31, updated. |
| 10:01 |
est31 |
+1 |
| 10:01 |
est31 |
pushing #2961 in 30 minutes |
| 10:01 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2961 -- Extend CMake variable description by SmallJoker |
| 10:02 |
TBC_x |
I think mapblocks could use slab allocation |
| 10:02 |
est31 |
?? |
| 10:03 |
TBC_x |
slab allocation allocates several pages of memory up front |
| 10:03 |
TBC_x |
and it should be cache friendly |
| 10:04 |
TBC_x |
I doubt that calling mmap 50 times a second is good for performance |
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est31 |
mmap is something for communicating which is not cpu or ram like hdd or graphics card no? |
| 10:06 |
TBC_x |
mmap is syscall that is allocating memory |
| 10:07 |
TBC_x |
need a mapblock pool or something |
| 10:07 |
TBC_x |
mmap is called from stdlib |
| 10:08 |
TBC_x |
every allocation |
| 10:08 |
TBC_x |
and mmap implies a context switch |
| 10:08 |
est31 |
well yeah, malloc and free are expensive |
| 10:09 |
est31 |
" mmap, munmap - map or unmap files or devices into memory" |
| 10:09 |
est31 |
I dont see how this is used by every malloc |
| 10:09 |
est31 |
this is more about "read file" |
| 10:09 |
est31 |
perhaps its called 50 tiems every second on plan9 |
| 10:09 |
est31 |
but thats only because everything is a file over there, including the registers of the cpu |
| 10:10 |
est31 |
(ok last was sarcasm) |
| 10:10 |
est31 |
do you really mean this call http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/mmap.2.html |
| 10:12 |
TBC_x |
i should not mention mmap |
| 10:12 |
TBC_x |
but malloc |
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TBC_x |
oh it is brk syscall |
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VanessaE |
est31: um, problem |
| 10:16 |
TBC_x |
but whatever |
| 10:16 |
TBC_x |
need less calls to malloc |
| 10:16 |
VanessaE |
est31: areastore seems to have... um... broken: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11947686/ |
| 10:17 |
VanessaE |
all 8 of my servers failed to restart after the backup cycle |
| 10:17 |
est31 |
VanessaE, did you update the areas mod too? |
| 10:17 |
VanessaE |
no? |
| 10:17 |
est31 |
perhaps i should have mentioned that... |
| 10:17 |
VanessaE |
ok. |
| 10:17 |
est31 |
it was needed, because api broke |
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* est31 |
feels sorry for the downtime. |
| 10:18 |
VanessaE |
no worries, got a link to the areas patch? |
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est31 |
https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/pull/13 |
| 10:19 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 10:20 |
VanessaE |
ok, deployed it. |
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* Krock |
punches est31 |
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kahrl |
est31, TBC_x, yeah, mmap is used internally by malloc |
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kahrl |
for example the malloc in glibc has a simple dynamic algorithm to choose between (s)brk for small allocations and mmap for larger allocations |
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est31 |
kahrl, but mmap is a "get me this file into memory" call, no? |
| 11:44 |
kahrl |
not if you pass MAP_ANONYMOUS |
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est31 |
nrzkt, what do you mean with "getting stun"? |
| 14:37 |
est31 |
perhaps its a wow thing, i dont know it |
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| 14:46 |
nrzkt |
to be stun = ... stun ? |
| 14:46 |
nrzkt |
like if i hit you with a hammer on your head, you are stun :p |
| 14:47 |
unkempt` |
nrzkt, go west |
| 14:47 |
nrzkt |
i prefer north |
| 14:47 |
unkempt` |
no, no |
| 14:48 |
unkempt` |
west is better |
| 14:48 |
nrzkt |
but maybe it's an english expression and i didn't understand it ? |
| 14:48 |
unkempt` |
not really |
| 14:48 |
unkempt` |
it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3X1aExRYqs |
| 14:48 |
unkempt` |
i.e. drunk talk |
| 14:48 |
unkempt` |
I just cut my own hair and look like an idiot |
| 14:48 |
unkempt` |
and LOVE it |
| 14:49 |
unkempt` |
it's the new me |
| 14:49 |
est31 |
man android is BROKEN |
| 14:50 |
unkempt` |
est31 it is |
| 14:50 |
est31 |
and RBA's attitude to it OMG ITS OGL ES WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO USE IT |
| 14:50 |
unkempt` |
shaders are broken |
| 14:50 |
est31 |
its decades old |
| 14:50 |
est31 |
not just shaders |
| 14:50 |
est31 |
somebody made all nodes white |
| 14:50 |
est31 |
shaders disabled |
| 14:51 |
nrzkt |
Zeno you are crazy man |
| 14:51 |
unkempt` |
hmm, it was ok when I last compiled it |
| 14:51 |
unkempt` |
which, I admit, was about 3 months ago |
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nrzkt |
est31: you didn't like a white world ? :p |
| 14:51 |
unkempt` |
west end... girls... |
| 14:52 |
est31 |
and textures are broken too |
| 14:52 |
unkempt` |
textures are broken in master |
| 14:52 |
unkempt` |
(using unititialised values) |
| 14:52 |
unkempt` |
there is a lot to fix |
| 14:53 |
unkempt` |
I should not have left you ragamuffins alone for so long |
| 14:53 |
unkempt` |
:P :D :) |
| 14:53 |
nrzkt |
Zeno, are you drunk ? |
| 14:53 |
unkempt` |
nrzkt, affirmative |
| 14:53 |
nrzkt |
or did you punched by a kangaroo ? :p |
| 14:53 |
unkempt` |
nah, just drunk |
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| 14:54 |
unkempt` |
but there is something wrong with tiles and textures (honestly) |
| 14:54 |
unkempt` |
I checked that before I got drunk |
| 14:55 |
unkempt` |
it's partially the reason I GOT drunk. The other part was because I wanted to |
| 14:56 |
est31 |
http://pasteboard.co/2h0bJusd.png |
| 14:57 |
est31 |
this becomes a high priority bug, blocker, and blocker for 0.4.13. |
| 14:57 |
nrzkt |
est31: approved |
| 14:57 |
hmmmm |
i don't understand why 0.4.13 is being rushed anyway |
| 14:57 |
hmmmm |
this is ridiculous |
| 14:57 |
hmmmm |
there are regressions and memory leaks galore |
| 14:57 |
nrzkt |
hmmmm: approved |
| 14:58 |
hmmmm |
nevermind approval, nobody actually approved the 0.4.13 release date to begin with |
| 14:58 |
est31 |
nobody spoke against |
| 14:58 |
hmmmm |
let's get minetest in a stable state first |
| 14:58 |
hmmmm |
then we'll see about releasing |
| 14:58 |
est31 |
well yes |
| 14:58 |
est31 |
thats what feature freeze is for |
| 14:58 |
est31 |
no more breakage, now we fix bugs |
| 14:58 |
nrzkt |
2 weeks of feature freeze is too light i think. |
| 14:59 |
nrzkt |
do a feature freeze on 1st august and release date on 1st september is better |
| 14:59 |
unkempt` |
0.4.13 is a long way off unless all these things valgrind reports can be fixed quickly |
| 14:59 |
hmmmm |
how about not making a release date |
| 14:59 |
est31 |
and stalling the release indeterminately? |
| 14:59 |
hmmmm |
there can be a feature freeze date but release should be tenative based on whenever things are in a stable state |
| 14:59 |
unkempt` |
tbh I am pretty fucking annoyed about how much shit valgrind is reporting |
| 14:59 |
hmmmm |
it's better to stall a release than release in this state |
| 14:59 |
est31 |
say "ah yeah there are these issues, but we wont release" |
| 15:00 |
unkempt` |
0.4.11 and .12 had... nothing |
| 15:00 |
est31 |
unkempt`, valgrind did report stuff there too |
| 15:00 |
est31 |
e.g. global variables |
| 15:00 |
est31 |
like g_settings |
| 15:00 |
est31 |
or g_logger |
| 15:01 |
est31 |
or all the unittest stuff |
| 15:01 |
est31 |
ofc they are no real leaks |
| 15:01 |
unkempt` |
est31, maybe I didn't check 0.4.12 but in the release I *was* involved in there was nothing |
| 15:01 |
est31 |
perhaps it is better to have a full list of errors unkempt`. |
| 15:01 |
unkempt` |
maybe that was 0.4.11 |
| 15:02 |
unkempt` |
0.4.12 was a rushed (IMO) so, yeah, maybe I didn't check it |
| 15:03 |
unkempt` |
but seriously est31, this many errors is not acceptable |
| 15:03 |
* H-H-H |
has been saying bout problems with android build on master for ages lol |
| 15:03 |
unkempt` |
well, maybe it is, but I personally find it embarrassing |
| 15:03 |
unkempt` |
43K errors from the client is just stupid |
| 15:04 |
hmmmm |
i think the issues aren't being pressed because there are no developers currently active who use android |
| 15:04 |
unkempt` |
hmmmm, the 43k errors are on Linux (PC) |
| 15:04 |
est31 |
well android isnt in a releaseable state at all |
| 15:04 |
unkempt` |
most are openAL and crap though |
| 15:04 |
hmmmm |
i mean the texture issues |
| 15:04 |
hmmmm |
unkempt`, 99% of those errors are caused by the minimap |
| 15:04 |
hmmmm |
here, i'll fix them right now |
| 15:05 |
unkempt` |
hmmmm, I know |
| 15:05 |
unkempt` |
good... push it :D |
| 15:05 |
* H-H-H |
waits for the git bot to say reverted minimap commit |
| 15:06 |
unkempt` |
I thought we needed to have a VERY good reason to revert a commit |
| 15:06 |
unkempt` |
i.e. it very, very, very rarely happens once something is merged |
| 15:06 |
est31 |
^ |
| 15:06 |
* H-H-H |
was making light of the situation :| |
| 15:06 |
unkempt` |
H-H-H, I know... was just sayin' :) |
| 15:08 |
H-H-H |
i seriously admire you guys for doing what you do :) |
| 15:10 |
unkempt` |
since I brought up OpenAL... does its current license affect us at all? |
| 15:10 |
est31 |
#2962 |
| 15:10 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2962 -- Android graphics broken |
| 15:10 |
est31 |
ah forgot a label |
| 15:10 |
est31 |
there added |
| 15:11 |
unkempt` |
est31, I'll bisect Android problems tomorrow if you like |
| 15:11 |
unkempt` |
oh |
| 15:11 |
unkempt` |
those cubes, est31? |
| 15:11 |
est31 |
yup |
| 15:12 |
est31 |
I'm not running "everything is white" subgame |
| 15:12 |
unkempt` |
yep, that's been around for a while. I'll gather together all the bugs I think and put them in one place |
| 15:12 |
unkempt` |
est31, that's with no shaders at all? |
| 15:12 |
est31 |
yes |
| 15:12 |
est31 |
with shaders its all red |
| 15:13 |
H-H-H |
yeah shaders are really messy on android |
| 15:13 |
unkempt` |
I can bisect that pretty easily because I have a working android build here (in a different directory) |
| 15:13 |
est31 |
if you want to do, do it |
| 15:13 |
est31 |
I could do it too |
| 15:14 |
unkempt` |
yep, I will. It's the only reason I bought an android :D |
| 15:14 |
est31 |
we should somehow separate forces here lol |
| 15:14 |
est31 |
wow |
| 15:14 |
unkempt` |
but if you beat me to it I don't mind it |
| 15:14 |
est31 |
can you put the list of valgrind errors online? |
| 15:14 |
est31 |
then I can work on tracing them |
| 15:14 |
est31 |
you do android |
| 15:15 |
est31 |
perhaps with the ones that are fixed by the last commit filtered out, if they are indeed 99% |
| 15:15 |
unkempt` |
est31, not at the moment because I have to re-do them (I prefer to run valgrind in a "controlled" environment and the current ones I have were not controlled). By control I mean a known environment |
| 15:15 |
est31 |
ok |
| 15:16 |
unkempt` |
gotta be scientific otherwise it's kinda hard |
| 15:16 |
est31 |
then I'm looking at another bug that bugged me since some time |
| 15:16 |
unkempt` |
but yes, I will post them once I re-run |
| 15:16 |
est31 |
#2097 |
| 15:16 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2097 -- Android build doesn't use proper paths |
| 15:17 |
est31 |
how we currently do it is horrible, to put it mildly |
| 15:17 |
unkempt` |
yes |
| 15:17 |
unkempt` |
I've looked at that (only briefly) as well |
| 15:17 |
unkempt` |
also the controls suck |
| 15:17 |
est31 |
well yeah |
| 15:17 |
est31 |
but thats gameplay |
| 15:17 |
unkempt` |
I have patches to make to the controls better |
| 15:17 |
est31 |
who cares about that lol |
| 15:17 |
unkempt` |
me |
| 15:17 |
est31 |
jk |
| 15:17 |
Calinou |
<+unkempt`> since I brought up OpenAL... does its current license affect us at all? |
| 15:18 |
Calinou |
aren't we using ALSoft? |
| 15:18 |
Calinou |
Package: libopenal-dev |
| 15:18 |
Calinou |
Source: openal-soft |
| 15:18 |
Calinou |
this is what Debian reports |
| 15:18 |
unkempt` |
also, android shutdown is different from PC/MAC shutdown sequence (for no reason at all) |
| 15:18 |
unkempt` |
Calinou, if we're using ALSoft there is no problem |
| 15:18 |
est31 |
yes there is a reason |
| 15:18 |
est31 |
unkempt`, we had this already, android is a shit os, not even allowing applications to exit |
| 15:19 |
unkempt` |
is openal dynamically linked? If that's the case then it matters not |
| 15:19 |
est31 |
but trying to push its views how to design applications down users throats. |
| 15:19 |
unkempt` |
est31, yes but the shutdown sequence should be (and can be) the same |
| 15:19 |
est31 |
ok |
| 15:19 |
unkempt` |
I had a PR that I closed but only because it was broken |
| 15:20 |
Calinou |
it's dynamically linked normally |
| 15:20 |
Calinou |
except on Windows perhaps... |
| 15:20 |
unkempt` |
apart from the broken bits I learned that there is stuff that happens that is not necessary (on Android but not on PC) |
| 15:21 |
unkempt` |
Calinou, I think on Windows it must be dynamic as well because all builds I've seen include an openal DLL |
| 15:22 |
unkempt` |
est31 in case you hadn't noticed this is the first time in 4 months that I've been on IRC for >8 hrs |
| 15:22 |
unkempt` |
I'm back |
| 15:22 |
unkempt` |
and I'm annoyed (which equals motivated) |
| 15:22 |
unkempt` |
I kind of lost interest in MT for most of those 4 months truth be told |
| 15:23 |
unkempt` |
but now there is solid stuff to be done :D So I'm happy again |
| 15:23 |
est31 |
heh |
| 15:23 |
est31 |
rba did a quite good job at it, perhaps me too |
| 15:24 |
unkempt` |
nah |
| 15:24 |
unkempt` |
I got depressed when my computer blew up |
| 15:24 |
unkempt` |
and kind of went off the rails |
| 15:24 |
unkempt` |
shit happens |
| 15:25 |
unkempt` |
BUT I must say these valgrind things must be fixed before release |
| 15:25 |
unkempt` |
I'll get them all in one place so we can all look at them |
| 15:30 |
bobomb |
i know this is terrible but: https://github.com/bobombolo/woolimage (attempt to draw map pixel by pixel in formspec) |
| 15:31 |
Calinou |
unkempt`, isn't that static? |
| 15:31 |
Calinou |
if you include the DLL |
| 15:32 |
unkempt` |
Nah, DLL is dynamic |
| 15:32 |
unkempt` |
Dynamic Link Library ;) |
| 15:32 |
unkempt` |
(or dynamically linked lib) |
| 15:34 |
est31 |
bobomb, you can hack it if you want |
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est31 |
just make an 1 pixel image for each color you want to provide |
| 15:34 |
est31 |
then show the images |
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est31 |
ofc it wont be "real" pixels |
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| 15:35 |
est31 |
so they will be scaled |
| 15:35 |
est31 |
it will look messy |
| 15:35 |
est31 |
and loading will be ultra slow |
| 15:35 |
est31 |
really ultra ultra slow |
| 15:35 |
est31 |
but will work! |
| 15:35 |
est31 |
or you wait for somebody to add minimap for formspecs |
| 15:36 |
est31 |
we already have a minimap |
| 15:36 |
est31 |
we only need the "show in formspec" feature |
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crazyR |
last_login in the auth file: is it used for anything internally?? what i mean is could i change the name if the key without risking breaking something in the engine? |
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est31 |
well its used for /last-login username |
| 15:53 |
est31 |
very handy |
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| 15:54 |
est31 |
I guess you can indeed change it |
| 15:54 |
est31 |
nothing breaks as of now |
| 15:55 |
est31 |
question is, why you want to change it |
| 15:55 |
est31 |
and perhaps we might rely on it in future |
| 15:55 |
est31 |
if you can live with the risk ,great :) |
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crazyR |
i can updater the /last-login cmd, the reason is ive added reg_date to my custom auth and its driving me mad, as id like it named login_date so it maches haha |
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TBC_x |
use my patch before running valgrind |
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TBC_x |
otherwise you're really going to have 40k errors |
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bobomb |
est: i don't want minimap, i want to show different thematic maps, like slope, aspect, elevation, water, etc. yes it takes about 2 full seconds to load that 100x100 pixels |
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est31 |
only 2 seconds? |
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est31 |
minetest is blazingly fast |
| 17:37 |
bobomb |
i actually think that's usable, but that's obviously not over a network... |
| 17:38 |
TBC_x |
wow |
| 17:38 |
TBC_x |
if you have a supercomputer... maybe... |
| 18:05 |
Zeno` |
lmfao |
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Zeno` |
minetest is painfully slow |
| 18:05 |
Zeno` |
and that's *after* I optimised it |
| 18:05 |
bobomb |
80x80 is only half a sec |
| 18:06 |
Zeno` |
1/2s is an eternity |
| 18:06 |
Zeno` |
we need at least 60 fps |
| 18:07 |
Zeno` |
so what is the longest something can take if aiming for 60fps? |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
16.667 ms |
| 18:07 |
Zeno` |
^--- quite a bit less than 1/2 a second :( |
| 18:08 |
Zeno` |
and that's EVERYTHING |
| 18:08 |
Zeno` |
not just one thing |
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* est31 |
commented out code to be scheduled for removal in the commit |
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* est31 |
realized he would need the functionality |
| 18:14 |
est31 |
therefore est31 modified the methods called by that code |
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* est31 |
then compiled |
| 18:15 |
est31 |
error |
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est31 |
turned out i forgot to remove the comment out |
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| 18:25 |
Wayward_One |
Someone asked an interesting question on my build thread: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=185532#p185532, which poses another question: Is Minetest even supported on, let alone playable, on Android 2.2.2? |
| 18:27 |
rubenwardy |
I very much doubt it] |
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| 18:28 |
Wayward_One |
Heh, same here. I figured I'd make sure though |
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| 18:35 |
est31 |
Wayward_One, no, we start support with SDK 9 |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
aka gingerbread |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
froyo isnt supported |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
run aapt dump badging bin/Minetest-debug.apk |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
youll see sdkVersion:'9' |
| 18:36 |
est31 |
then look at this table http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html#ApiLevels |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
and if you look at this table, there is not much sense in supporting it http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html#Platform |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
that android is very very old |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
you get few users |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
perhaps its easy however, only flipping a switch |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
dunno |
| 18:38 |
sloantothebone |
When is the new version of minetest going to be released? |
| 18:38 |
sloantothebone |
Oh nvm |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
sloantothebone, probably not on the 10th. |
| 18:39 |
est31 |
ARGGGGGH |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
when it reaches a stable enough state |
| 18:39 |
sloantothebone |
Ok |
| 18:39 |
est31 |
we depended on our filesystem being fucking CASE INSENSITIVE on android |
| 18:39 |
est31 |
CASE |
| 18:39 |
est31 |
INSENSITIVE |
| 18:40 |
rubenwardy |
Android is case insensitive? |
| 18:40 |
est31 |
no |
| 18:40 |
sloantothebone |
I'm using a daily build and the right click and drag isn't working right |
| 18:40 |
est31 |
it depends on the filesystem |
| 18:40 |
est31 |
android itself isnt case insensitive |
| 18:41 |
est31 |
but somehow when you store data on the sd card its formatted fat32 or whatever, and that seems to be not case sensitive |
| 18:41 |
est31 |
because I see here data being written to a path with "Minetest", and data being read from a path with "minetest" |
| 18:42 |
est31 |
and it worked before, so i conclude it was due to filesystem |
| 18:42 |
est31 |
and it broke when I switched filesystems to app-private storage |
| 18:42 |
sloantothebone |
Ok I take a stack of 12 and I right click and drag and only 1 is dropped on the slot I clicked and then I right click and drag again and it works. Its like it wont work unless I've placed an item |
| 18:43 |
est31 |
sloantothebone, confirm |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
That's the drawing feature, where you can make say a pick axe by swiping up with sticks then left with stone |
| 18:43 |
est31 |
can you create a github issue? |
| 18:43 |
Wayward_One |
est31: ok, thanks for clarifying. |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
unless I misunderstand |
| 18:44 |
sloantothebone |
Uh sure |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
and best, can you bisect |
| 18:44 |
sloantothebone |
But I should update minetest first, because I dont update every day |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
you're right |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
confirmed too |
| 18:50 |
sloantothebone |
Upgrading minetest |
| 18:51 |
sloantothebone |
Where do I post issues for the daily build |
| 18:51 |
est31 |
if its a bug with the engine then at github |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
another feature added recently, then broken recently XD |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
well, the other was changed |
| 18:54 |
sloantothebone |
What feature? |
| 18:54 |
sloantothebone |
Btw are there any plans for implementing the ability to evenly spread an entire stack by left clicking and dragging in the inventory? |
| 18:54 |
rubenwardy |
#2959 |
| 18:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2959 -- Ability to launch singleplayer game from command line removed |
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| 18:55 |
sloantothebone |
Where do I submit feature requests? and hi alket |
| 18:56 |
alket |
hi |
| 19:04 |
alket |
sloantothebone: i guess its github issues |
| 19:09 |
sloantothebone |
Ok |
| 19:10 |
sloantothebone |
I'm making an issue about the right click and drag inventory bug |
| 19:11 |
sloantothebone |
#2964 |
| 19:11 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2964 -- right click and drag inventory bug |
| 19:17 |
est31 |
Wayward_One, might be an irrlicht regression |
| 19:17 |
est31 |
i have newest irrlicht |
| 19:20 |
sloantothebone |
Oh |
| 19:20 |
est31 |
not that one |
| 19:20 |
est31 |
talking bout #2963 |
| 19:21 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2963 -- Feature request: Implement dividing entire stack evenly into inventory slots when you left click and drag |
| 19:21 |
alket |
feature request, make Cart not lag :p |
| 19:21 |
Calinou |
not possible unless the server lags less |
| 19:22 |
alket |
its the only "bug" that makes me angry when playing |
| 19:22 |
alket |
not that i know any other bugs anyway |
| 19:23 |
alket |
but its a mining game and cart is like one of basic features |
| 19:24 |
sloantothebone |
#2963 |
| 19:24 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2963 -- Feature request: Implement dividing entire stack evenly into inventory slots when you left click and drag |
| 19:25 |
sloantothebone |
Not possible? |
| 19:25 |
est31 |
it is possible |
| 19:25 |
est31 |
but youlll have to find sb to code it |
| 19:25 |
est31 |
or code it yourself |
| 19:25 |
alket |
i hate this reply :p i get it all the time |
| 19:26 |
alket |
in all games |
| 19:26 |
sloantothebone |
Well where is the code for the right click and drag? |
| 19:26 |
est31 |
guiformspecmenu.cpp i think |
| 19:27 |
est31 |
alket, my comment was more targeted at sloantothebone. making carts lag less requires touching SAOs which is very likely to fail |
| 19:27 |
est31 |
because its horrible code |
| 19:27 |
sloantothebone |
I have taken code, figured out how it works and modified it |
| 19:29 |
sloantothebone |
Ok I'm in guiformspecmenu.cpp |
| 19:30 |
sloantothebone |
Ok I've found the code for inventory stuff, at least thats what the comment says |
| 19:30 |
Wayward_One |
est31: could be, I still have the irrlicht version that comes with Mint 17 |
| 19:30 |
sloantothebone |
field while holding right mouse button |
| 19:30 |
sloantothebone |
*/ |
| 19:31 |
sloantothebone |
Mouse event other than movement, or crossing the border of inventory |
| 19:31 |
sloantothebone |
field while holding right mouse button |
| 19:32 |
est31 |
Wayward_One, if you compile for android you build irrlicht yourself |
| 19:32 |
sloantothebone |
Um could somebody pm me and walk me through this a bit, I don't mess with c++ very often |
| 19:34 |
Wayward_One |
est31: ...oh lol |
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sloantothebone |
How do I debug c++? |
| 20:01 |
est31 |
you can log stuff using errorstream << "text" << std::endl; |
| 20:02 |
est31 |
or use debuggers |
| 20:02 |
est31 |
alket had a link i think to youtube videos |
| 20:02 |
alket |
i didn't bookmark it :s |
| 20:03 |
alket |
this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTmAknUbpB0 , but it isn't straightforward, its like a talk |
| 20:12 |
sloantothebone |
Ok any suggestions for debuggers? |
| 20:13 |
sloantothebone |
Maybe I can mess with the minetest source code and learn a bit about c++ |
| 20:26 |
sloantothebone |
Ok fine I'll google it |
| 20:28 |
est31 |
Wayward_One, does iconv build for you? |
| 20:29 |
est31 |
e.g. for the android builds |
| 20:41 |
sloantothebone |
est31 is anybody working on implementing luajit into minetest? or client side modding? |
| 20:42 |
Krock |
there's already luajit support |
| 20:42 |
Krock |
client side modding is a bad idea |
| 20:42 |
sloantothebone |
Ok how do I use luajit and why is it a bad idea? |
| 20:43 |
sloantothebone |
the only problem I can see is hacking but I leave that to the lua writers to decide what should be server side |
| 20:44 |
Krock |
set the cmake variables LUA_INCLUDE_DIR and LUA_LIBRARY. Hacking would be way too easy, that's why |
| 20:46 |
sloantothebone |
I'm not talking about completely client side modding I'm talking about the option to make parts of the code run on the client |
| 20:50 |
sloantothebone |
And so I have to compile minetest to get luajit? |
| 20:53 |
Krock |
no, get luajit and compile minetest |
| 20:53 |
sloantothebone |
That's what I meant |
| 20:54 |
Krock |
or just use a compiled version... |
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