Time  Nick          Message
01:41 ShadowNinja   sfan5, Sokomine: The local client map would be great if it was used as a cache to reduce bandwidth.  But for that you'd have to add client_requests_blocks or at least send a list of cached blocks and their timestamps to the server.
01:42 ShadowNinja   There's an issue for that.
01:49 ShadowNinja   Also, xyz doesn't want to host the new server list, but he'll update DNS.  I'll look for a host...
01:51 ShadowNinja   Oh, and IMO the server list should be moved to a seperate repo.  I don't want to have to pull the whole Minetest core for  a few kb of server list files.
03:19 Sokomine      currently, those mapblocks do not seem to have timestamps (at least not on database level - most likely serialized somewhere). i'd love to have timestamps, but they'll be a lot easier with sql-based databases with triggers
03:27 Sokomine      no need for sending a list to the server either. the client could just read the blocks from its local cache (after the server tells it where the player is in the world) and update blocks whenever it receives a block from the server
09:15 celeron55     ShadowNinja: i might want to host it, depending on what that requires
14:10 Krock         Player on my server notice, their player files do not save on server shutdown. I noticed this too when playing in a singleplayer world. Has this already been fixed in the last 3 days?
14:11 Krock         need to highlight som1?
14:18 celeron55     ShadowNinja: ^
14:25 Krock         k.
15:46 sapier        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1417 ShadowNinja have you read why I choose to make version a formspec field instead of server property?
16:39 sfan5         sapier: when was the date you wanted to release 0.4.10?
16:40 sapier        feature freeze was targeted at end of this weekend
16:40 sapier        right after android port merge
16:41 sapier        only things flagged for 0.4.10 have chance to be merged by that time (and bugfixes of course)
16:45 * Krock       points at his message, 2:30 hours ago. He's afraid from testing it
16:45 sfan5         Krock: just make a backup
16:45 Krock         sfan5, the problem is not the data which could get removed. it doesn't/didn't save
16:46 Krock         (server shut down with Ctrl+C)
16:48 sapier        Krock could you please write a issue for critical things like that?
16:49 Krock         sapier, sorry for bugging around here with this but I really should look if the latest git still contains this bug. please wait
16:50 Krock         damn this
16:50 Krock         it sill exists
16:51 sapier        no of course you're right to mention it here
16:51 sapier        but do an issue too so everyone can see it
16:51 Krock         I thought it has been fixed, interesting no one noticed it yet
16:51 Krock         creating an issue now
16:54 RealBadAngel  howdy
16:57 Krock         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1421
17:05 sfan5         who will do the msvc build when 0.4.10 is released?
17:05 sapier        not sure by now
17:05 Krock         I can release x86 builds
17:06 sapier        who did it last time?
17:06 sfan5         XYZ
17:06 sfan5         s/.+/xyz/
17:06 Krock         blockmen could do it :3
17:06 sfan5         Krock: with sound & leveldb?
17:06 Krock         sfan5, yes & no :(
17:07 Krock         as soon I have a working library, I can compile it
17:14 sapier        but without redis
17:14 sapier        it's broken and noone seems to be interested in fixing it
17:15 RealBadAngel  talkin bout databases, what about kv storage?
17:15 RealBadAngel  cant some1 made something similar lookin at freeminer code?
17:15 sapier        offtopic is minetest rba ;-P
17:16 sapier        no kv storage in 0.4.10 ... so till then no need to discuss about it
17:16 RealBadAngel  ok ok ;)
17:17 sfan5         sapier: redis is broken? ; libhiredis does not work on windows anyway IIRC
17:18 sapier        there's an issue telling redis conversion segfaults ... to me that's broken (at least broken enough to not make it official)
17:25 RealBadAngel  sapier, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZV99d-XuVg
17:26 sfan5         !title
17:26 sfan5         oh
17:27 sapier        nice
17:28 sapier        still if that release is supposed to happen I need someone helping me to fix open bugs too ;-P
17:28 RealBadAngel  going to finish that drawtype thingy today, only minor issues are left
17:29 RealBadAngel  then i could take some open bugs and work on them
17:30 sapier        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1421 this one is for ShadowNinja guess he already know where to fix it on reading the bugreport
17:31 sapier        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1413 this one is quite obscure maybe you can find out what's going on RealBadAngel
17:31 sapier        wrong one
17:31 sapier        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1412 meant that one
17:34 RealBadAngel  ok
17:35 sapier        I'm trying to catch 1413 right now
17:42 RealBadAngel  i think i know what wrong with 1412
17:44 RealBadAngel  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L3227
17:44 RealBadAngel  why the heck in that rect guitext_chat->getTextWidth() is used?
17:45 sapier        I added that to limit chat text to width of text
17:45 sapier        until then it was full screen covering formspecs
17:46 RealBadAngel  hold on, this is rect for status text
17:46 sapier        for what I remember that one is used for chat too
17:46 sapier        ahh no
17:47 sapier        I just "fixed" it too ... why is this supposed to be wrong? .... lol copy n paste error
17:48 RealBadAngel  propably in specific cases ie chat text too small, status text got cut
17:48 sapier        well it obviously should be guitext_status to be checked
17:50 RealBadAngel  yup
17:52 sapier        I wonder how heli mod crashes minetest
18:11 RealBadAngel  sapier, any bug reports?
18:11 sapier        that pure virtual call is strange
18:15 sapier        hmm
18:15 sapier        seems to be my fault
18:16 RealBadAngel  as usual ;)
18:16 RealBadAngel  push fix for #1412?
18:16 sapier        yes
18:16 RealBadAngel  ok
18:19 RealBadAngel  whats next?
18:22 sapier        what about that dll issue?
18:22 RealBadAngel  that means winblows?
18:25 sapier        actually it's cmake
18:31 RealBadAngel  im not any good at it
18:35 sapier        very strange ... that issue should've been in there for ages
18:38 sapier        seems like the animated meshnode was never grabbed ... that's why helicopter mod causes the crash
19:32 CraigyDavi    I'm being a bit of a perfectionist but it should be "allocated to another client" rather than "allocated to an another client" https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/089fc010abe439aea154813e3e31bc9477a84308/src/server.cpp#L1586
19:49 sfan5         Bareword "NI_NUMERICHOST" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at /var/www-serverlist/master.cgi line 206.
19:49 sfan5         Bareword "NIx_NOSERV" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at /var/www-serverlist/master.cgi line 206.
19:49 sfan5         ^ proller__
20:00 proller__     old perl ?
20:00 proller__     cpan Socket6
20:19 VanessaE      RealBadAngel: the video looks really good.  All that seems to remain now is auto-leveling of neighboring tanks
20:19 RealBadAngel  that will be up to mods
20:19 RealBadAngel  engine shouldnt handle that at all
20:19 VanessaE      right
20:20 RealBadAngel  you dont want engine playing with plasma lamps volume, do you? ;)
20:20 VanessaE      no :)
20:21 RealBadAngel  talkin bout plasma lamps, i may have something interestin for you
20:21 RealBadAngel  hold on a few minutes
20:24 sfan5         proller__: did not help
20:24 proller__     зукд -м
20:24 proller__     perl -v
20:24 sfan5         This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
20:28 RealBadAngel  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvpWxYLntA
20:29 sfan5         proller__: maybe you somehow need to import those constants first
20:29 proller__     maybe you need to update perl first
20:29 sfan5         pff
20:30 sfan5         debian is never up to date
20:31 proller__     use 'testing'
20:31 proller__     it have perl 5.18
20:32 sfan5         I think I'll just reinstall my vps
20:33 proller__     in 5.16+ all ipv6 stuff included by default
20:34 proller__     i dont want to rewrite this part of script for v4 only or old systems
20:34 proller__     and where is python version ?
20:34 VanessaE      RealBadAngel: nice :)
21:34 sfan5         k, serverlist works
21:34 sfan5         ^ proller
21:34 sfan5         thanks for helping
21:35 sfan5         ShadowNinja: I could host the server list on this one VPS I have
21:52 kahrl         can we make GUITable mousewheel scrolling a little bit faster? it's a bit annoyingly slow if e.g. there are lots of mods in the world configuration screen
21:53 kahrl         I suggest replacing -1 and 1 by -3 and 3 in guiTable.cpp:836
21:53 sapier        +1
21:53 sapier        hmm
21:54 sapier        that's been meant as agreement not as suggestion how to scroll
21:54 kahrl         alright, I'll merge that then
22:02 Sokomine      is there a way to get the names above players larger? it's sometimes difficult to make out who's standing in front of you
22:02 sapier        I don't think so
22:03 VanessaE      yes, there is
22:03 VanessaE      some, I don't remember who, gave me a patch ages ago that changes the in-game font from irrlight's default to freetype or ttf or some such
22:03 VanessaE      made it use the same font the menu et al. uses.
22:04 Sokomine      how can i do that? my version differs from the official version in two points already...so further hardcoded changes to the code wouldn't make much of a difference
22:04 VanessaE      I've long since lost that patch but it was only like 2 lines or something
22:04 sapier        that's gonna cause severe side effects to all formspecs
22:04 VanessaE      sapier: what?  changing the player font?  how so?
22:05 VanessaE      it had no side effects whatsoever in any part of the game.
22:05 sapier        minetest doesn't have different fonts so if you change that one you change all
22:05 sapier        that's not a irrlicht limitation it's just missing code
22:05 VanessaE      nono it changed it in the engine for that one item, hard-coded.
22:06 VanessaE      that's like saying that changing the drawtype used on cobble is gonna break the drawtype used on grass :P
22:06 VanessaE      (it won't if you're redefining the cobble and not the drawtype :) )
22:06 sapier        ok that'd be what I'd do too but if you want it in a clean (freetype and non freetype) mode without memory leeks it's a few minutes of work
22:06 VanessaE      yeah, this was a non-clean way.  predates freetype entirely.
22:07 sapier        if you change the cobble NODE the grass NODE will look different too yes
22:07 VanessaE      sapier: bah, I was trying to make an example, just nevermind :P
22:07 realbadangel_ wowsers! im done with mergeing logic, that was tough
22:08 VanessaE      the point is, yes the playername font can be changed.  it's not hard and it had no side effects at the time save for more clutter on the screen when there were enough players online.
22:08 sapier        is it tap or tab ?
22:09 sapier        (touching touchscreen)
22:09 VanessaE      tap./
22:09 VanessaE      to tap your finger on the screen.
22:09 VanessaE      you tab ------->  across the page when you press the key on the left of the keyboard.
22:09 VanessaE      :)
22:10 realbadangel_ http://pastebin.com/m0SjfWpA
22:11 realbadangel_ now glasslike framed nodes can be configured to merge horizontally, vertically, both directions or not at all
22:26 VanessaE      for their contents, that is.
22:26 VanessaE      not for the external frames/surfaces.
22:32 Sokomine      vanessae: sounds good. i'd love to have that as well. player names are usually so tiny on my screen i can't figure out who's standing in front of me and trying to get my attention
22:32 Sokomine      especially not if there's hardly any contrast between playername and background
22:34 realbadangel_ VanessaE, for everything
22:35 VanessaE      Sokomine: same here.
22:35 VanessaE      and the bigger your screen, the harder it is to make that out.
22:35 VanessaE      if you have XFCE 4.10 and compositing turned on, you can zoom in with Alt-mouse wheel, but that's hacky
22:37 Sokomine      hm. freeminer had such zooming in/out
22:38 VanessaE      the thing I refer to is desktop-specific, outside of minetest.
22:39 Sokomine      i see. but freeminer also had an ingame zooming in/out function last time i checked
22:42 realbadangel_ VanessaE, here are four possible cases: http://imgur.com/a/URAyp
22:43 VanessaE      realbadangel_: hm, ok
22:44 realbadangel_ if frames for the greater volume, so interiors will merge
22:44 realbadangel_ *form