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seolfor |
darkrose, nore can i ask you question ? |
| 10:17 |
seolfor |
can i use curl in version 7.36.0 instead of 7.33 ? |
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sapier |
As of adapting mainmenu for android devices I realized mainmenu design got quite strange while adding all those legacy features. As result some parts of it are quite hard to maintain. Doing some design cleanup does drasticaly improve this situation. Basicaly I took beginings of a formspec based toolkit some steps further. |
| 10:55 |
sapier |
https://gist.github.com/sapier/10578873 shows a (early) suggestion for the fst (formspek tookit) API ... comments are welcome |
| 10:55 |
seolfor |
sapier, i got question about curl lib |
| 10:55 |
seolfor |
do i have to use version 7.33 ? |
| 10:56 |
seolfor |
ther is new one 7.36 but i can't compile it ;( |
| 10:58 |
sapier |
well if you want a quick solution take 7.33 ... but you could find out how to build 7.36 too and update the docs |
| 10:58 |
seolfor |
hmy .. ok i will try |
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seolfor |
and i spend whole day on attempts to compile dependencies with VS2012 - it's to hard or infformations in wiki are not a accurate inive |
| 11:02 |
sapier |
hmm at least the information I provided should be accurate I did it exactly this way |
| 11:02 |
sapier |
on win7 64 bit |
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sapier |
but as I said windows build is tricky took me almost a week to do mingw + vs the first time |
| 11:02 |
seolfor |
did you have to configure linker manulay for evry package ? |
| 11:03 |
sapier |
there aren't many libs depending on each other? |
| 11:03 |
sapier |
the only one depending on everything is minetest itself ... and yes you have to specify all those paths manually in minetests cmake gui |
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seolfor |
i been compiling using buildin engine in Visual Studio 2013 (Visual Studion 2012 x86) on win7 64bit |
| 11:05 |
seolfor |
and not even 1 lib compiled without manual configuration |
| 11:05 |
seolfor |
not even single* lib |
| 11:06 |
sapier |
well that's pretty normal for win32 ... most likely that's reason why most developers scream and run away once you ask for working on windows ;-) |
| 11:06 |
specing |
your problem is using windows |
| 11:06 |
seolfor |
haha ye i known |
| 11:06 |
sapier |
don't discourage him specing we need people developing on windows too |
| 11:07 |
seolfor |
"Change to linux it will sove evrthing" <- best solution it can be made |
| 11:08 |
seolfor |
right now im using mingw32 and it's look good |
| 11:08 |
seolfor |
for now only problem i got with curl |
| 11:09 |
sapier |
hmm depends on version current version of mingw (compiling all libs) doesn't build master |
| 11:09 |
sapier |
there's a issue with zlib ... for some insane reason someone believed using msvc dll for mingw would be a good ide |
| 11:09 |
sapier |
a |
| 11:10 |
seolfor |
isn't mingw is compiler helper like Cmake or make ? |
| 11:11 |
sapier |
no mingw is just a compiler suite |
| 11:11 |
specing |
sapier: fuck windows ;P |
| 11:11 |
seolfor |
specing, thx .. |
| 11:11 |
specing |
I get angry a lot when I have to work on windows at school |
| 11:11 |
sapier |
if there wasn't windows apple would rule the world ... and those guys are even more evil microsoft was in it's worst time |
| 11:12 |
specing |
sapier: doubt it |
| 11:12 |
specing |
apple is expensive, not many people can afford it ;P |
| 11:12 |
sapier |
no doubt, microsoft never did take rigth to delete arbitrary data from users device |
| 11:13 |
seolfor |
im not angry i just like windows desktop envirment in win 7 |
| 11:13 |
seolfor |
and i dont have space on my ssd for second OS like linux |
| 11:13 |
seolfor |
:p |
| 11:14 |
sapier |
well windows 7 shell is still one of best shells available ... not like that crappy gnome3, windows 8 or even ios or kde shells |
| 11:14 |
sapier |
of course that's my personal opinion only |
| 11:14 |
sapier |
and limited to gui shells |
| 11:15 |
sapier |
bash is way better then windows command line |
| 11:15 |
seolfor |
indeed gnome i crappy i preffer using cinnamon but it's still not win7 desktop |
| 11:15 |
seolfor |
first thing i install in my win is bash shell |
| 11:16 |
seolfor |
i just can't use cmd crap |
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specing |
seolfor: delete windows. That'll make room for Linux |
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specing |
seolfor: And learn to use a tiling WM |
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seolfor |
specing, great joke :p but what did you mean by WM ? |
| 12:04 |
seolfor |
Virtual Machine ? |
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PenguinDad |
seolfor: WM == Window Manager |
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specing |
regular window manages and desktop environments(huh) suck so much |
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specing |
I grief badly when I have to use em |
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specing |
s/grief/raaaaaaaaageeee/ |
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seolfor |
PenguinDad, thx. but i agree wigh specing ther isn't single one desktop env. for linux capable to hendle doual/triple screen well... |
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seolfor |
this is one of reasons i wond delete windows soon |
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seolfor |
won't* |
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specing |
awesomeWM handles N-screening extremely well |
| 12:13 |
seolfor |
realy ? i will test it for shure ;] |
| 12:14 |
specing |
As its name says, it is *AWESOME* |
| 12:15 |
seolfor |
like I sad i will for sure test it as soon i will compile this freeking curl lib |
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seolfor |
i'm thinking what "run cmake and configure correctly" position mean in http://dev.minetest.net/Build_Win32_minetest_including_all_required_libraries |
| 13:12 |
BlockMen |
seolfor, i guess the author ment that you get no configuration erros of cmake when pressing "configure" |
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seolfor |
thx BlockMen, but i come to great idea, becouse i have already all compiled dependencies i will try to use VS project to bild minetest ;D |
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seolfor |
why ther is cmake_config_githash.h.in instead of cmake_config_githash.h in sources of minetest ? |
| 13:19 |
seolfor |
becouse of it i got compile errors ;( |
| 13:23 |
BlockMen |
google reveals: "These files are usually header template to generate final .h files." |
| 13:24 |
BlockMen |
you are sure that all if correct cofigured in cmake? |
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seolfor |
no i didn't used cmake |
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seolfor |
i tried compiling it trhought VS 2013 compailer |
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seolfor |
but it's looks like it's not capable of including .in files |
| 13:25 |
BlockMen |
you should do to create correct vs project file. then you can use the vs compiler to build minetest |
| 13:25 |
seolfor |
i corrected includes paths and linked libs |
| 13:25 |
seolfor |
but still .. |
| 13:26 |
BlockMen |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118990#p118990 |
| 13:26 |
BlockMen |
maybe this helps you |
| 13:27 |
seolfor |
nop not a chance im using culr in version 1.36 and's its simply to old |
| 13:30 |
BlockMen |
first: why are you using such old curl version? second: i think there is not easy way to built minetest without cmake (if there is at all), so you better use it |
| 13:32 |
seolfor |
ups sory i mean curl 7.36* |
| 13:33 |
seolfor |
right now i'm trying to use cmake becouse ther is not a way to bild *.in files in VS |
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seolfor |
what is the diffrence betwen VORIBS_DLL and VORBISFILE_DLL in cmake config ? |
| 15:07 |
seolfor |
with file should i point for them ? |
| 15:07 |
sapier |
you don't need to use curl nor vorbis |
| 15:08 |
seolfor |
what o0 |
| 15:08 |
sapier |
maybe you should start with minimal library dependencys and once this works add the additional one |
| 15:08 |
sapier |
s |
| 15:08 |
seolfor |
great to known .... ;( |
| 15:08 |
sapier |
well most people don't wanna play minetest without online or sound support but it is possible to compile this way |
| 15:09 |
seolfor |
so how can i compile without vorbis libary ? |
| 15:09 |
sapier |
yes just uncheck ENABLE_SOUND |
| 15:09 |
seolfor |
and btw i copiled all dependences lited on wiki |
| 15:10 |
seolfor |
but i simply dont know what file should i include as VORBIS_DLL |
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seolfor |
and VORBISFILE_DLL |
| 15:12 |
sapier |
you can ignore vorbisfile_dll and vorbis_dll |
| 15:13 |
sapier |
you only have to set the libraries correct |
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seolfor |
and Libraries are ... ? for vorbis and vorbisfile ? ^_^ |
| 15:13 |
sapier |
most time they're dll.a (for mingw |
| 15:14 |
seolfor |
ah .. ok thx |
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sapier |
luajit is .dll for me. I thought you're doing the vs2xxx build? |
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sfan5 |
seolfor: do you have all libraries you need yet? |
| 15:15 |
sfan5 |
I have some |
| 15:15 |
seolfor |
i didn't manage to make it .. |
| 15:15 |
seolfor |
sfan5, i think so.. |
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seolfor |
i'v been bilding them since yestarday |
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seolfor |
omg i finally recived message form cmake "Generatin done" |
| 15:18 |
seolfor |
^_^ |
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seolfor |
bilding proces is running but i getting syntax erros form minetest |
| 15:32 |
PenguinDad |
seolfor: real errors or only warnings? |
| 15:32 |
BlockMen |
PilzAdam, set_bone is not broken, it works fine. You have disabled animation in singleplayer mode: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/master/mods/models/init.lua#L41 |
| 15:32 |
seolfor |
errors |
| 15:32 |
seolfor |
Error1error C2059: syntax error : '{' |
| 15:34 |
seolfor |
but it's looks good in cource... ;( |
| 15:38 |
seolfor |
minetest is using c++ v11 standart ? |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
I don't think so |
| 15:39 |
PenguinDad |
I've never heard of c++ v11 :/ |
| 15:41 |
seolfor |
PenguinDad, you can read about it here http://www.cplusplus.com/info/history/ ;D |
| 15:42 |
seolfor |
PenguinDad, and ex. changes : http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/stl/ |
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seolfor |
all sytax error im getting are form clientiface.h |
| 15:49 |
seolfor |
for example form it : http://pastebin.com/pVGPLajE |
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BlockMen |
seolfor, use lastest version minetest code |
| 15:54 |
BlockMen |
its fixed alreday |
| 15:55 |
seolfor |
ah .. indeed it's not stable buld and 2 days old |
| 15:55 |
seolfor |
thx for tip |
| 15:57 |
BlockMen |
i ment use always lastest code from https://github.com/minetest/minetest, then report issues |
| 15:58 |
BlockMen |
*coderelated issues |
| 15:59 |
seolfor |
i known it but .. i been fighting almoust 2 day only with dependencies so I thought i still dooing somthing wrong |
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seolfor |
BlockMen, wow i got now: Error2error C2039: 'max' : is not a member of 'std' |
| 16:03 |
seolfor |
it's only for me or it's a bug - any way is strange .. |
| 16:04 |
seolfor |
becouse i got problems only with max function form std and it shoudl be there .. |
| 16:04 |
BlockMen |
what file? |
| 16:05 |
seolfor |
profiler.h |
| 16:08 |
BlockMen |
try adding <algorithm> header |
| 16:08 |
BlockMen |
*to |
| 16:10 |
BlockMen |
and seems to be a vs2013 special thing |
| 16:11 |
seolfor |
indeed im bilding with vs2013 |
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seolfor |
BlockMen, it's seems to solved problem with std::max |
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seolfor |
i updated wiki page http://dev.minetest.net/Build_Win32_minetest_including_all_required_libraries for never versions of dependancies (changes allways can be removed) |
| 16:55 |
BlockMen |
i thought you use vs2013, why do you wrote the informations under Mingw32 then? |
| 16:55 |
seolfor |
becouse i conpiled dependencies under mingw32 |
| 16:56 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Formspecs need to be redesigned, not have a fancy string parsing wrapper. I made a mockup here: http://sprunge.us/XDUS?lua |
| 16:56 |
seolfor |
any way i sill didn't compile enything on vs2013 ;( |
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PenguinDad |
this looks much better than what we have at the moment |
| 16:58 |
seolfor |
mayby somebody can explain me this error form mingw32-make ? |
| 16:58 |
seolfor |
mingw32-make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 16:58 |
BlockMen |
ShadowNinja, is this '"Here's a table:\n",' supposed to replace labels? |
| 16:59 |
ShadowNinja |
BlockMen: Yes. |
| 16:59 |
BlockMen |
how do you set position then? |
| 16:59 |
ShadowNinja |
BlockMen: Elements are either a table describing the element or a string, which is equivalent to {type="label", text="..."} |
| 17:00 |
BlockMen |
ah ok, thats fine then |
| 17:00 |
ShadowNinja |
You can use x= and y=, or use HTML-like auto-positioning. |
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PenguinDad |
seolfor: it tells you exactly what the problem is "no makefile found" |
| 17:00 |
BlockMen |
looks like a good concept to me |
| 17:02 |
BlockMen |
size should support percent values to in rewrite |
| 17:02 |
BlockMen |
*+o |
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seolfor |
;( but already run cmake and press "generate" - it's finished without errors .. |
| 17:03 |
seolfor |
should not i have make file already ? |
| 17:03 |
ShadowNinja |
celeron55: I find CMake's syntax very convoluted. I've used SCons in my projects, which uses Python scripts. It's cross-platform too. |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
i have never used scons (except built something made by someone else using it) |
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celeron55 |
is there a good comparison available somewhere? |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
syntax, platforms and stuff like that |
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ShadowNinja |
celeron55: Well there's this, which is fairly complete but possibly biased: http://www.scons.org/wiki/SconsVsOtherBuildTools |
| 17:09 |
ShadowNinja |
celeron55: And here's a (very) basic example: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/NBT-CPP/blob/master/SConstruct |
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ShadowNinja |
celeron55: This is slightly more advanced: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/blob/master/SConstruct |
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celeron55 |
doesn't seem to differ much |
| 17:12 |
celeron55 |
it's just the same thing, with python |
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celeron55 |
would you really be willing to rewrite all the configuration options in minetest's build system in that? |
| 17:12 |
celeron55 |
and then deal with all the regressions for months to come |
| 17:14 |
ShadowNinja |
Um, maybe. I'd rather start with a smaller project like minetestmapper though. |
| 17:14 |
celeron55 |
i do hate cmake's macro language; but this isn't going to magically fix itself by just saying "let's use scons" |
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sapier |
ShadowNinja: that redesign wouldn't solve any of the issues I'm addressing with my toolkit |
| 18:55 |
sapier |
my toolkit is meant to be a evolutionary addon to formspecs with quite calculatable effort to be finished while your (current) suggestion is just replacing current formspec but not adding any of the features I need for the menu |
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sapier |
if you provide this replacement and rewrite menu this way you're welcome. I'm glad if I don't have to maintain it any longer but I wont gonna write this total conversion with no obvious major benefit to our current version for sure. |
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sapier |
especially as I consider your suggesion way to underambitioned to justify that much work |
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ShadowNinja |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7246313/ |
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sapier |
scons is neither standard nor anything close to it ... what's wrong with cmake? |
| 19:05 |
ShadowNinja |
http://ix.io/bEx/diff 11 files changed, 106 insertions(+), 164 deletions(-) This makes minetestmapper use SCons. |
| 19:06 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: What build system standard is there to conform to? |
| 19:06 |
sapier |
yes and another build system to install with don't know how much dependencys and don't know how many additional bugs and another syntax to handle |
| 19:06 |
ShadowNinja |
It uses Python, so it's syntax is more standard. |
| 19:06 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I cannot parse that sentence. |
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sapier |
I've never written python and I know quite a lot developers never ever having heared about python ... of course if you know any language you know (almost) all ... but the subtile difference still are annoying |
| 19:08 |
sapier |
and you haven't told about a real benefit by now ;-) |
| 19:08 |
seolfor |
i finly manage to compile in vs2013 but aftrer execution attempt i got missing error zibwapi.dll, enybody known wher can i find it ? |
| 19:08 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: you do not really need to know python to write python |
| 19:08 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Python is much easier to learn than CMake's language. |
| 19:08 |
ShadowNinja |
celeron55: ^ Thoughts? |
| 19:08 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: ~ he complains about scons having bugs and dependencies |
| 19:09 |
sapier |
I don't wanna discuss about languages thats nonsense I wanna know what scons claims to handle that much better to justify changeing a working buildsystem without major flaws |
| 19:09 |
seolfor |
ShadowNinja, i agree python is pice of a cake compare to cmake |
| 19:09 |
iqualfragile |
was kinda direct translation from german |
| 19:10 |
ShadowNinja |
iqualfragile: Ah, the only dependency that SCons has is Python. And I have only found one thing that could be called a bug, but really indicates a problem in your code. |
| 19:10 |
sapier |
WHATS SCONS BETTER THEN CMAKE ... NO SYNTACTICAL VRAP BUT REAL FEATURES ... will build be done in half time for example? |
| 19:10 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: The reason is simply that CMake is harder to use |
| 19:10 |
iqualfragile |
well, understanding your build system seems like a bonus for me |
| 19:10 |
ShadowNinja |
And no need to get worked up. |
| 19:11 |
sapier |
sorry but if you're unable to typecmake on console you most likely shouldn do development |
| 19:11 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: but he allready asked that question without getting an answer |
| 19:11 |
ShadowNinja |
SCons *Might* have better implict dependency handling. But it's have to try it on a bigger project to know. |
| 19:12 |
seolfor |
btw can i get an answer meen while fight python vs cmake ? |
| 19:12 |
ShadowNinja |
i'd* |
| 19:12 |
sapier |
and I don't expect windows developers to be any more successfull with installing python and scons then with installing cmake only |
| 19:12 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: SCons and Python are available for Windows. |
| 19:12 |
seolfor |
for shure i will not test it after finly executing build in cmake |
| 19:12 |
ShadowNinja |
You can even bundle SCons with the project to remove that dependency. |
| 19:13 |
sapier |
yes vs2012 is available too excel too .... wait excel is spread quite a lot why not build with excel? |
| 19:13 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: ' '.join(["windows", "developers"]) |
| 19:13 |
sapier |
I've still not become a answer what bug scons is supposed to fix |
| 19:13 |
iqualfragile |
IncompatibleDatatypesError |
| 19:14 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Um, are you proller?... |
| 19:14 |
seolfor |
iqualfragile, it's not so bad :p |
| 19:14 |
ShadowNinja |
I told you. It's easier to use and has more familiar syntax. |
| 19:14 |
iqualfragile |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/a5dcf123e0d9b568569118d1a05e24f56e7b5d69 but why? |
| 19:14 |
sapier |
no I just hate switching tools for sake of switching, I've got better things to do then learning and fixing bugs in new tools because someone felt this to be more cool then another one |
| 19:15 |
sapier |
especially if I don't have any problem with the current tool |
| 19:15 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: As for formspecs: A DOM-like library like you're proposing sounds good, but it would be much more natural with a table-based formspec. |
| 19:16 |
seolfor |
point for sapier :p |
| 19:16 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: have not read the discussion but implementing something dom-like instead of giving up and using html/xml seems wrong to me |
| 19:17 |
sapier |
As I said ShadowNinja imho your suggestion is underambitioned for that less benefit doing that much work isn't worth it |
| 19:17 |
ShadowNinja |
Otherwise it would need a formspec parser and writer. |
| 19:17 |
seolfor |
well now sapier, ShadowNinja it dosn't metter what it is cmake or scons but plz explain me why in zlib source isn't zlibwapi.dll |
| 19:19 |
sapier |
zlib is a very special case, if you use mingw you shouldn't use the prebuilt ones as mingw provides it's own version, if you mix up those two versions it's not gonna work. Sadly master is buggy and doesn't use mingw zlib you need to patch it manually |
| 19:19 |
seolfor |
i made freking build of minetest i linked zlibwapi.lib but i can't wind enywhere zlibwapi.dll |
| 19:19 |
ShadowNinja |
seolfor: Huh? That sounds like a Zlib windoes shared library. |
| 19:19 |
ShadowNinja |
seolfor: You linked a static library and it's looking for a shared one? |
| 19:20 |
sapier |
but fixing this bug causes buildbot to fail |
| 19:20 |
seolfor |
sapier, i made build of zlib with vs2012 so it should be compatiblie |
| 19:20 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: You should look at ^ too. |
| 19:20 |
sapier |
nope seolfor as mingw compiles everything else against it's built in zlib |
| 19:22 |
iqualfragile |
hmmmm: we had a discussion about map generators some days ago |
| 19:22 |
iqualfragile |
i build something in python, which outputs gnuplottable stuff, but i mainly have problems with getting the wind right |
| 19:22 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: if we didn't have our current formspec I'd agree to your syntax. But I don't feel this syntax to be advanced enough to be the final (or at least a long term) solution. And I don't have any interest in spending that much time to fix regressions and do maintenance for a interim format ... that has to be maintained with the final solution too. |
| 19:23 |
iqualfragile |
if you want to take a look at it tell me and i will publish the repo somewhere |
| 19:23 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Suggest a good alternative them. |
| 19:23 |
seolfor |
sapier, im don't understand, so i have to bild evrything in vs2012 ? |
| 19:23 |
iqualfragile |
seolfor: 1st step: install debian |
| 19:23 |
seolfor |
or am i have problems only with zlib ? |
| 19:23 |
sapier |
I don't have enough time to implement a really good solution. That's a task for someone else. |
| 19:24 |
sapier |
yes either build in mingw or vs2012 seolfor |
| 19:24 |
iqualfragile |
the cammera possition/mode stuff seems to raise new waring during compile |
| 19:24 |
iqualfragile |
s/mm/m |
| 19:24 |
sapier |
hmm pulls with warnings shouldn't be merged |
| 19:25 |
seolfor |
sapier, thx .. 1 more try if it wont work i will install linux >.> |
| 19:25 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Oh, I added experimental thread name support for Windows, BSD, and OSX here: http://ix.io/bBp/diff PilzAdam, sfan5: Can one of you make a Windows build? |
| 19:25 |
sapier |
pthread_setname_np isn't generally available on linux |
| 19:26 |
PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, no, not now |
| 19:26 |
PilzAdam |
I havent done builds in a while |
| 19:26 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: Alright. |
| 19:26 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: http://bpaste.net/show/mBI4gTLT3E4DdzacvakL/ |
| 19:26 |
PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, BlockMen does win builds too |
| 19:27 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: prctl could be used too, but that's been in glibc since 2.12 or so. |
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ShadowNinja |
BlockMen: ^ |
| 19:27 |
sapier |
windows does have threadnames? |
| 19:27 |
ShadowNinja |
Er, well, you hilighted him already. |
| 19:27 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Seems so: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/xcb2z8hs.aspx |
| 19:28 |
sapier |
well I guess I'll be way more successfull to find a linux without pthread_setname_np then you're gonna find a linux 2.12 |
| 19:29 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I don't know what you mean, but I was refering to GlibC v 2.12, not Linux v 2.12 |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: how would you cross-compile with scons? |
| 19:30 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Hmmm, how do you with CMake? Just add -march=win32 or some such? |
| 19:30 |
sfan5 |
look into buildbot.sh |
| 19:31 |
proller |
sapier, but why you merge pulls with lot of warnings? |
| 19:31 |
sapier |
ahhhm I'm on wheezy and pthread_set_name_np isn't available? |
| 19:31 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Hmmm, glibc 2.12 seems over 10 years old... |
| 19:32 |
sapier |
proller I usually check my pulls to not add any warning on gcc and by if someone tells me about a warning on another compiler I'll fix it. But I can't fix things I don't know about. |
| 19:32 |
proller |
try to use clang |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
^ |
| 19:33 |
sapier |
keep on talking proller |
| 19:33 |
sapier |
If I didn check anything anyone ever asked to check I'd have to run 1 week of testing prior commiting a 1 line comment fix |
| 19:34 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: could you make a diff -Ru for thread names? |
| 19:34 |
sfan5 |
oh, nvm |
| 19:34 |
celeron55 |
>Python is much easier to learn than CMake's language. |
| 19:34 |
celeron55 |
that's not true |
| 19:34 |
celeron55 |
cmake is basically shell scripting |
| 19:35 |
celeron55 |
...but simpler |
| 19:35 |
celeron55 |
(which is why it sucks for complicated things) |
| 19:36 |
sapier |
ahh ok its pthread_setname_np on linux ... who did steal that "_" |
| 19:36 |
celeron55 |
(eg. it doesn't have support for any kind of arrays; everything is a string) |
| 19:37 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: http://ix.io/bEA |
| 19:37 |
ShadowNinja |
Er, NVM too. :-P |
| 19:38 |
sapier |
And proller if you're that eager about fixing warnings why didn't you agree to any of those two attempts to fix them? someone tried half a year ago, I tried 2 months ago |
| 19:38 |
ShadowNinja |
There aren't many, if any, warnings with GCC. |
| 19:39 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: Hunk #1 FAILED at 267., make a diff -ru (that works) please |
| 19:39 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: there are quite a lot on clang |
| 19:39 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: You said -Ru! |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
-R is not a valid option |
| 19:40 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: It is, it means reverse. |
| 19:40 |
ShadowNinja |
http://ix.io/bBp |
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ShadowNinja |
-R -- Swap two inputs; that is, show differences from index or on-disk file to tree contents. |
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| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
my diff does not know that option |
| 19:41 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: glibc 2.12 is 3. Aug 2010 ... far from 10 years old |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
thanks |
| 19:42 |
sapier |
debian squeeze has glibc 2.11 in ... and isn't outdated yet |
| 19:42 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Yes. I think we can safely rely and people having a <14 year old glibc. |
| 19:43 |
sapier |
4 YEARS ShadowNinja NOT 14 |
| 19:43 |
sapier |
you miss a full decade |
| 19:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Er, right. |
| 19:43 |
* ShadowNinja |
bangs his head against the wall. |
| 19:43 |
sapier |
no we can't I still use squeeze on most of my servers and I guess quite a lot people do too |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: that diff still fails to apply |
| 19:45 |
sapier |
sfan5: do it manually it's minor |
| 19:45 |
ShadowNinja |
Well, I guess we can't then. |
| 19:45 |
sfan5 |
but I'm to lazy :s |
| 19:46 |
sapier |
mid term I agree switching to pthread for all (used) os but until squeeze support has ended I'd prefere not break minetest on good old standard debian :) |
| 19:47 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Seems like cross compiling will only require env.tools.append("mingw") or some such. |
| 19:47 |
sapier |
maybe we should check if debian backported that feature. I have doubts ... but maybe |
| 19:47 |
sfan5 |
what if I want to specify a compiler? |
| 19:47 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: It's trivial to change that to prctl with a note that it should be done with pthread later. |
| 19:47 |
sapier |
export GCC=clang |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
export CC=clang |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
without g |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
and export CXX=c.lang |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
does scons have a GUI? |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
yes I think so too ShadowNinja in general that patch is quite good |
| 19:48 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Load the appropriate Tool(), or manually set env["CC"] and the like if your compiler isn't available in the default Tools. |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
a-la cmake-gui |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
/home/stefan/mt-build/build/c55/minetest-minetest-8b02a01/src/porting.h:283: error: ‘SetThreadName’ was not declared in this scope |
| 19:49 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Nope. |
| 19:49 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Hmmm, what version of Windows? |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
dunno |
| 19:49 |
sapier |
that patch is based uppon a outdated (broken) version |
| 19:50 |
sfan5 |
i586-mingw32msvc-gcc (GCC) 4.2.1-sjlj (mingw32-2) |
| 19:50 |
sapier |
I fixed windows build yesteday because of that bug |
| 19:50 |
sapier |
most likely that's reason why it doesn#t apply too |
| 19:51 |
ShadowNinja |
Oh. |
| 19:51 |
sapier |
gcc 4.2????? that's ancient |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
sapier: complain to the debian/ubuntu maintainers |
| 19:52 |
sapier |
what os? |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
mine? xubuntu |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
version ;-) |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
even squeeze has gcc 4.4 |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
4.2 ... etch? |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
13.10 |
| 19:54 |
sapier |
wait .. mingw on linux? cross compiler? |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 19:54 |
sapier |
why not use a vm? |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
too much work? |
| 19:54 |
sapier |
compared to work required to get that ancient versions work? |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
way less |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
gcc 4.2 compiles minetest just fine |
| 19:55 |
sapier |
ok :) if you think so :) I've installed win7 on a vm and latest mingw within a few minutes ;-) |
| 19:56 |
sapier |
especially as I feel it's not gonna be much time till ppl demanding c11 standard could become successfull |
| 19:56 |
ShadowNinja |
Here's an updated diff: http://ix.io/bEB |
| 19:57 |
sapier |
why didn't you fix the prct thing as you already touched it? ;-) |
| 19:57 |
ShadowNinja |
I don't know when SetThreadName was added, but it should be in windows.h. |
| 19:57 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Er, right... |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
*compiles new mingw* |
| 19:58 |
sapier |
It's been added last week when the threadname support was pushed |
| 19:58 |
iqualfragile |
debian maintainser seem to love to patch |
| 19:58 |
iqualfragile |
oh w8 |
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* iqualfragile |
was stupid |
| 20:01 |
ShadowNinja |
CMake seems to *always* rebuild the ScriptAPI. |
| 20:01 |
ShadowNinja |
Unless nothing's changed at all. |
| 20:03 |
sapier |
my squeeze pthread.h doesn't contain pthread_setname_np so at least debian didn't patch glibc-2.11 ... prctl will have to do till sequeeze support is ended. As jessie doesn't seem to have a release date that could be anything from a couple of weeks to about a year |
| 20:03 |
sapier |
at least the last years debian had a 2 year cycle if they keep it jessie is about to be released spring 2015 |
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iqualfragile |
its nice to have minetest in debian |
| 20:12 |
ShadowNinja |
Comments? Reorders initialization to make GCC happy: http://ix.io/bEG |
| 20:13 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Progress? |
| 20:14 |
sfan5 |
progress with what? |
| 20:16 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: The Windows build. Does a newer MinGW work? |
| 20:16 |
sfan5 |
I'm currently compiling MinGW |
| 20:18 |
ShadowNinja |
Ah, I think I found out how to do it, but it will be MSVC only. |
| 20:18 |
ShadowNinja |
(And ridiculously ugly) |
| 20:32 |
sapier |
how to show the threadnames on windows? |
| 20:32 |
ShadowNinja |
This should work for Linux, BSD, MSVC, and OSX. Other windows compilers are ignored: http://sprunge.us/RgRS?diff |
| 20:33 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Look at that. It's a rediculously ugly hack, but it should work, and Microsoft seems to support it. |
| 20:34 |
sapier |
by using an exception? :-) very strange way to do it :-) |
| 20:34 |
seolfor |
sapier, i'v copiled all dependencies with vs2012, made proper config with cmake, succesfully build maintest and in runing attempt i reciving error like Kernel32.dll not found |
| 20:34 |
sapier |
one of the most uglyest hack's I've ever seen |
| 20:35 |
sapier |
you did compile minetest with vs2012 too? |
| 20:35 |
seolfor |
yep |
| 20:36 |
sapier |
can you try a tool like dependencywalker on your resulting binary? kernel32.dll is windows itself, I don't believe you're relly missing it |
| 20:36 |
BlockMen |
ShadowNinja, your patch was not compiling at all, so i found this solution in inet https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2f6e2440976fcc969f32 |
| 20:37 |
seolfor |
i will try to find this "dependencywalker" |
| 20:37 |
BlockMen |
oh, you posted a new one. |
| 20:37 |
ShadowNinja |
BlockMen: ^ My latest one should work. |
| 20:37 |
sapier |
http://www.dependencywalker.com/ seolfor |
| 20:38 |
BlockMen |
ShadowNinja, will try |
| 20:38 |
seolfor |
i thought it's build in vindows |
| 20:38 |
seolfor |
windows* |
| 20:38 |
ShadowNinja |
I thought that SetThreadName was a function in the Windows API, because you couldn't have possibly designed something THAT hacky, right?... |
| 20:39 |
sapier |
there's no design it's just a function to be called in portab layer |
| 20:40 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I mean, I didn't think Microsoft would have thought up something so bad and included it in their OS. |
| 20:40 |
sapier |
actually that code is about half a year old and was linux only by that time |
| 20:41 |
sapier |
I don't even have an idea where to see threadnames on windows? on linux I can lookup in proc filesystem and using top ... how to see them on windows? |
| 20:42 |
seolfor |
sapier, only thing what's red in kernel32.dll is check sum http://snag.gy/3pXQg.jpg |
| 20:42 |
seolfor |
what can i do with it ? |
| 20:43 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: VC debugger: http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/8549/Name-your-threads-in-the-VC-debugger-thread-list |
| 20:43 |
sapier |
any way to see them without debugger? ;-) |
| 20:44 |
sapier |
usually I don't have a debugger attached to a minetest server/client going crazy ... it's often a release build too ... ok that wouldn't be a problem for this situation |
| 20:45 |
sapier |
but it's better having it then not having anything, of course having a tool to read that information would be even better |
| 20:46 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Um, the task manager might be able to show them. |
| 20:46 |
sapier |
shadow can you create this diff as pull request? |
| 20:46 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Sure. |
| 20:47 |
sapier |
if noone complains till tomorrow I guess it's fine to merge |
| 20:49 |
ShadowNinja |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1222 |
| 20:49 |
ShadowNinja |
BlockMen: Can you confirm that that works on Windows? |
| 20:51 |
BlockMen |
ShadowNinja, wait a minute... |
| 20:53 |
BlockMen |
sapier, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=137514#p137514 forgot to report, i noticed after switching to formspec pause menu |
| 20:54 |
BlockMen |
ShadowNinja, if #1222 is like your patch, then yes, i can confirm |
| 20:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1222 -- Add support for threadnames on BSD, Windows (MSVC-only), and OSX by ShadowNinja |
| 20:54 |
BlockMen |
sapier, and it does only happen sometimes to me. maybe some threading problem? |
| 20:55 |
sapier |
is there a way to reproduce it BlockMen? |
| 20:57 |
BlockMen |
start a game, go into pause menu and then quit menu again (except exit application). but since its not always happening i cant reproduce it reliable |
| 20:58 |
BlockMen |
and for some reason i cant debug atm |
| 20:58 |
sapier |
should be fixed prior next release |
| 20:59 |
sapier |
but the error doesn't help very much |
| 20:59 |
BlockMen |
thats the problem...i will try to fix the debug mode |
| 20:59 |
BlockMen |
*s/the/my |
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PenguinDad |
I don't like how Sam's arm turns when digging https://mediacru.sh/4XOIJxdpNIUE :( |
| 21:25 |
PenguinDad |
^ Taoki this is related to https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/251 |
| 21:26 |
Taoki |
PenguinDad: Jordach corrected that, but it should be fine? |
| 21:26 |
Taoki |
Need to check it better, I didn't notice any changes to animations |
| 21:29 |
PenguinDad |
Taoki: this happened after I applied #251 |
| 21:29 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/251 -- Add #include guards to base64.h by matttpt |
| 21:32 |
Taoki |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=137530#p137530 Opinions? |
| 21:35 |
sapier |
quite interesting |
| 21:36 |
Taoki |
I initially wanted to make a simple player list, showing players and their ping. But I realized we could have more than Minecraft, such as icons and profiles / descriptions :) |
| 21:36 |
Taoki |
I think this will motivate online play a bit more. Since players can get something that offers them more personality |
| 21:37 |
Taoki |
Not sure how and if to use profile info and avatars from minetest_game by default, but even if it won't be used there other games / mods / servers can do so. Will go nicely with player skin selection mods :) |
| 21:48 |
seolfor |
sapier, it's seems i made it runable but i geting some test's error can you look at this log http://pastebin.com/42iY16GD |
| 21:49 |
seolfor |
or anybody else ? |
| 21:49 |
ShadowNinja |
Pushing in a minute if there are no objections: http://ix.io/bEJ |
| 21:50 |
sapier |
seolfor add "--disable-unittests" to command line |
| 21:50 |
ShadowNinja |
This too: http://ix.io/bEK |
| 21:50 |
sapier |
some of the tests are quite timing criticak |
| 21:51 |
sapier |
http://ix.io/bEJ is fine and I'd make this http://ix.io/bEK a error message only |
| 21:51 |
sapier |
wait that's configuring a timer? |
| 21:52 |
sapier |
if yes you should check "func" to be a function too |
| 21:52 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: minetest.after(1, nil) is a real error. |
| 21:52 |
seolfor |
now i got "ERROR FROM LUA WHILE INITIALIZING ASYNC ENVIRONMENT" |
| 21:52 |
ShadowNinja |
Func is checked. |
| 21:52 |
sapier |
but only to be not nil |
| 21:53 |
sapier |
minetest.after(1,"someone") would still work |
| 21:53 |
ShadowNinja |
True. |
| 21:53 |
sapier |
interesting seolfor what machine do you have? did you compile luajit too? |
| 21:54 |
seolfor |
yep but i didn include them in cmake config |
| 21:54 |
seolfor |
so mayby that is the case .. |
| 21:54 |
seolfor |
from cmake gui console : LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua. |
| 21:55 |
sapier |
no I ask because we've got some race condition on debian luajit with quite fast machines ... but as you don't have luajit this must be something different |
| 21:56 |
seolfor |
here is whole log form minetest |
| 21:56 |
seolfor |
http://pastebin.com/zj3r5dbb |
| 21:57 |
seolfor |
and log form cmake: http://pastebin.com/Lqrft5y6 |
| 21:57 |
sapier |
ah that file isn't there ... can you look for it and check it is there? |
| 21:57 |
sapier |
C:\Users\Art\Documents\projects\minetest\bin\Debug\..\builtin\async_env.lua |
| 21:58 |
seolfor |
yep the path is wrong it should have ../../ instead of one ../ |
| 21:59 |
seolfor |
who can i set it to proper path ? or should i move builtin ? |
| 21:59 |
seolfor |
where* |
| 22:01 |
sapier |
start minetest from base folder not from bin |
| 22:01 |
sapier |
bin\minetest |
| 22:03 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: http://sprunge.us/OBNf |
| 22:03 |
seolfor |
if i do it i have other path problems >.> like ../../src/script not foud |
| 22:03 |
seolfor |
i copied builtin in to bin and it worked |
| 22:04 |
sapier |
ok will do for the moment seolfor |
| 22:05 |
ShadowNinja |
Also, I need this http://ix.io/bcp to get Minetest to load a world now. |
| 22:05 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: what happens if you call type of nil? |
| 22:06 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: "Assertation failed" followed by a traceback. |
| 22:06 |
seolfor |
it's great it's wokring at least ;] |
| 22:06 |
ShadowNinja |
Or rather "Invalid minetest.after invocation". |
| 22:08 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: that's a workaround fix the invalid nlx nly or nlz value |
| 22:08 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: Any ideas why I need that hack? |
| 22:08 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Well, duh... |
| 22:08 |
sapier |
don't push it it's hiding bugs |
| 22:10 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm, this seems odd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7247067/ |
| 22:10 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Yes, I won't push that, but I need it locally. |
| 22:11 |
sapier |
float to int casting? |
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| 22:13 |
ShadowNinja |
No, the comment mentions (sz * spread * ofactor). The code does (sx * ofactor / spread). |
| 22:14 |
ShadowNinja |
Changing it to multiplication fixes it. |
| 22:22 |
BlockMen |
what is this supposed to do? why is quit=true returned when quit_mode is cancel? |
| 22:22 |
BlockMen |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp#L2177 |
| 22:24 |
sapier |
L2177 sets field named fname to text shown |
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| 22:28 |
BlockMen |
the question was more where is it for what propose used? |
| 22:38 |
ShadowNinja |
This works: http://ix.io/bEL But I don't really know what I'm doing. hmmmm might be able to help. |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
wtf |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
shadowninja, stop |
| 22:39 |
hmmmm |
don't mess with noise if it already works |
| 22:39 |
hmmmm |
the comment is clearly wrong, all you're doing there is allocating a much, much, much larger array than is necessary |
| 22:47 |
hmmmm |
that comment came from the original implementation of the optimized noise, when the spread factor was not the divisor, i changed that so people wouldn't have to pre-evaluate the result of 1/250 to put in the config file, for example |
| 23:28 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: But it doesn't work. It throws std::bad_aloc. |
| 23:28 |
ShadowNinja |
+l |
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