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10:17 seolfor darkrose, nore can i ask you question ?
10:17 seolfor can i use curl in version 7.36.0 instead of 7.33 ?
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10:54 sapier As of adapting mainmenu for android devices I realized mainmenu design got quite strange while adding all those legacy features. As result some parts of it are quite hard to maintain. Doing some design cleanup does drasticaly improve this situation. Basicaly I took beginings of a formspec based toolkit some steps further.
10:55 sapier https://gist.github.com/sapier/10578873 shows a (early) suggestion for the fst (formspek tookit) API ... comments are welcome
10:55 seolfor sapier, i got question about curl lib
10:55 seolfor do i have to use version 7.33 ?
10:56 seolfor ther is new one 7.36 but i can't compile it ;(
10:58 sapier well if you want a quick solution take 7.33 ... but you could find out how to build 7.36 too and update the docs
10:58 seolfor hmy .. ok i will try
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11:01 seolfor and i spend whole day on attempts to compile dependencies with VS2012 - it's to hard or infformations in wiki are not a accurate inive
11:02 sapier hmm at least the information I provided should be accurate I did it exactly this way
11:02 sapier on win7 64 bit
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11:02 sapier but as I said windows build is tricky took me almost a week to do mingw + vs the first time
11:02 seolfor did you have to configure linker manulay for evry package ?
11:03 sapier there aren't many libs depending on each other?
11:03 sapier the only one depending on everything is minetest itself ... and yes you have to specify all those paths manually in minetests cmake gui
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11:05 seolfor i been compiling using buildin engine in Visual Studio 2013  (Visual Studion 2012 x86) on win7 64bit
11:05 seolfor and not even 1 lib compiled without manual configuration
11:05 seolfor not even single* lib
11:06 sapier well that's pretty normal for win32 ... most likely that's reason why most developers scream and run away once you ask for working on windows ;-)
11:06 specing your problem is using windows
11:06 seolfor haha ye i known
11:06 sapier don't discourage him specing we need people developing on windows too
11:07 seolfor "Change to linux it will sove evrthing" <- best solution it can be made
11:08 seolfor right now im using mingw32 and it's look good
11:08 seolfor for now only problem i got with curl
11:09 sapier hmm depends on version current version of mingw (compiling all libs) doesn't build master
11:09 sapier there's a issue with zlib ... for some insane reason someone believed using msvc dll for mingw would be a good ide
11:09 sapier a
11:10 seolfor isn't mingw is compiler helper like Cmake or make ?
11:11 sapier no mingw is just a compiler suite
11:11 specing sapier: fuck windows ;P
11:11 seolfor specing, thx ..
11:11 specing I get angry a lot when I have to work on windows at school
11:11 sapier if there wasn't windows apple would rule the world ... and those guys are even more evil microsoft was in it's worst time
11:12 specing sapier: doubt it
11:12 specing apple is expensive, not many people can afford it ;P
11:12 sapier no doubt, microsoft never did take rigth to delete arbitrary data from users device
11:13 seolfor im not angry i just like windows desktop envirment in win 7
11:13 seolfor and i dont have space on my ssd for second OS like linux
11:13 seolfor :p
11:14 sapier well windows 7 shell is still one of best shells available ... not like that crappy gnome3, windows 8 or even ios or kde shells
11:14 sapier of course that's my personal opinion only
11:14 sapier and limited to gui shells
11:15 sapier bash is way better then windows command line
11:15 seolfor indeed gnome i crappy i preffer using cinnamon but it's still not win7 desktop
11:15 seolfor first thing i install in my win is bash shell
11:16 seolfor i just can't use cmd crap
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11:32 specing seolfor: delete windows. That'll make room for Linux
11:32 specing seolfor: And learn to use a tiling WM
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12:04 seolfor specing, great joke :p but what did you mean by WM ?
12:04 seolfor Virtual Machine ?
12:04 PenguinDad seolfor: WM == Window Manager
12:06 specing regular window manages and desktop environments(huh) suck so much
12:06 specing I grief badly when I have to use em
12:06 specing s/grief/raaaaaaaaageeee/
12:08 seolfor PenguinDad, thx. but i agree wigh specing ther isn't single one desktop env. for linux capable to hendle doual/triple screen well...
12:08 seolfor this is one of reasons i wond delete windows soon
12:08 seolfor won't*
12:12 specing awesomeWM handles N-screening extremely well
12:13 seolfor realy ? i will test it for shure ;]
12:14 specing As its name says, it is *AWESOME*
12:15 seolfor like I sad i will for sure test it as soon i will compile this freeking curl lib
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13:10 seolfor i'm thinking what "run cmake and configure correctly" position mean in http://dev.minetest.net/Build_Win32_min​etest_including_all_required_libraries
13:12 BlockMen seolfor, i guess the author ment that you get no configuration erros of cmake when pressing "configure"
13:13 seolfor thx BlockMen, but i come to great idea, becouse i have already all compiled dependencies i will try to use VS project to bild minetest ;D
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13:19 seolfor why ther is cmake_config_githash.h.in instead of cmake_config_githash.h in sources of minetest ?
13:19 seolfor becouse of it i got compile errors ;(
13:23 BlockMen google reveals: "These files are usually header template to generate final .h files."
13:24 BlockMen you are sure that all if correct cofigured in cmake?
13:24 seolfor no i didn't used cmake
13:24 seolfor i tried compiling it trhought VS 2013 compailer
13:25 seolfor but it's looks like it's not capable of including .in files
13:25 BlockMen you should do to create correct vs project file. then you can use the vs compiler to build minetest
13:25 seolfor i corrected includes paths and linked libs
13:25 seolfor but still ..
13:26 BlockMen https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=118990#p118990
13:26 BlockMen maybe this helps you
13:27 seolfor nop not a chance im using culr in version 1.36 and's its simply to old
13:30 BlockMen first: why are you using such old curl version? second: i think there is not easy way to built minetest without cmake (if there is at all), so you better use it
13:32 seolfor ups sory i mean curl 7.36*
13:33 seolfor right now i'm trying to use cmake becouse ther is not a way to bild *.in files in VS
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15:07 seolfor what is the diffrence betwen VORIBS_DLL and VORBISFILE_DLL in cmake config ?
15:07 seolfor with file should i point for them ?
15:07 sapier you don't need to use curl nor vorbis
15:08 seolfor what o0
15:08 sapier maybe you should start with minimal library dependencys and once this works add the additional one
15:08 sapier s
15:08 seolfor great to known .... ;(
15:08 sapier well most people don't wanna play minetest without online or sound support but it is possible to compile this way
15:09 seolfor so how can i compile without vorbis libary ?
15:09 sapier yes just uncheck ENABLE_SOUND
15:09 seolfor and btw i copiled all dependences lited on wiki
15:10 seolfor but i simply dont know what file should i include as VORBIS_DLL
15:10 seolfor and VORBISFILE_DLL
15:12 sapier you can ignore vorbisfile_dll and vorbis_dll
15:13 sapier you only have to set the libraries correct
15:13 seolfor and Libraries are ... ? for vorbis and vorbisfile ? ^_^
15:13 sapier most time they're dll.a (for mingw
15:14 seolfor ah .. ok thx
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15:14 sapier luajit is .dll for me. I thought you're doing the vs2xxx build?
15:15 sfan5 seolfor: do you have all libraries you need yet?
15:15 sfan5 I have some
15:15 seolfor i didn't manage to make it ..
15:15 seolfor sfan5, i think so..
15:16 seolfor i'v been bilding them since yestarday
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15:18 seolfor omg i finally recived message form cmake "Generatin done"
15:18 seolfor ^_^
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15:31 seolfor bilding proces is running but i getting syntax erros form minetest
15:32 PenguinDad seolfor: real errors or only warnings?
15:32 BlockMen PilzAdam, set_bone is not broken, it works fine. You have disabled animation in singleplayer mode: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia​/blob/master/mods/models/init.lua#L41
15:32 seolfor errors
15:32 seolfor Error1error C2059: syntax error : '{'
15:34 seolfor but it's looks good in cource... ;(
15:38 seolfor minetest is using c++ v11 standart ?
15:38 Calinou I don't think so
15:39 PenguinDad I've never heard of c++ v11 :/
15:41 seolfor PenguinDad, you can read about it here http://www.cplusplus.com/info/history/ ;D
15:42 seolfor PenguinDad, and ex. changes : http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/stl/
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15:48 seolfor all sytax error im getting are form clientiface.h
15:49 seolfor for example form it : http://pastebin.com/pVGPLajE
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15:53 BlockMen seolfor, use lastest version minetest code
15:54 BlockMen its fixed alreday
15:55 seolfor ah .. indeed it's not stable buld and 2 days old
15:55 seolfor thx for tip
15:57 BlockMen i ment use always lastest code from https://github.com/minetest/minetest, then report issues
15:58 BlockMen *coderelated issues
15:59 seolfor i known it but .. i been fighting almoust 2 day only with dependencies so I thought i still dooing somthing wrong
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16:03 seolfor BlockMen, wow i got now:    Error2error C2039: 'max' : is not a member of 'std'
16:03 seolfor it's only for me or it's a bug - any way is strange ..
16:04 seolfor becouse i got problems only with max function form std and it shoudl be there ..
16:04 BlockMen what file?
16:05 seolfor profiler.h
16:08 BlockMen try adding <algorithm> header
16:08 BlockMen *to
16:10 BlockMen and seems to be a vs2013 special thing
16:11 seolfor indeed im bilding with vs2013
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16:21 seolfor BlockMen, it's seems to solved problem with std::max
16:47 seolfor i updated wiki page http://dev.minetest.net/Build_Win32_min​etest_including_all_required_libraries for never versions of dependancies (changes allways can be removed)
16:55 BlockMen i thought you use vs2013, why do you wrote the informations under Mingw32 then?
16:55 seolfor becouse i conpiled dependencies under mingw32
16:56 ShadowNinja sapier: Formspecs need to be redesigned, not have a fancy string parsing wrapper.  I made a mockup here: http://sprunge.us/XDUS?lua
16:56 seolfor any way i sill didn't compile enything on vs2013 ;(
16:57 PenguinDad this looks much better than what we have at the moment
16:58 seolfor mayby somebody can explain me this error form mingw32-make ?
16:58 seolfor mingw32-make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
16:58 BlockMen ShadowNinja, is this '"Here's a table:\n",' supposed to replace labels?
16:59 ShadowNinja BlockMen: Yes.
16:59 BlockMen how do you set position then?
16:59 ShadowNinja BlockMen: Elements are either a table describing the element or a string, which is equivalent to {type="label", text="..."}
17:00 BlockMen ah ok, thats fine then
17:00 ShadowNinja You can use x= and y=, or use HTML-like auto-positioning.
17:00 PenguinDad seolfor: it tells you exactly what the problem is "no makefile found"
17:00 BlockMen looks like a good concept to me
17:02 BlockMen size should support percent values to in rewrite
17:02 BlockMen *+o
17:02 seolfor ;( but already run cmake and press "generate" - it's finished without errors ..
17:03 seolfor should not i have make file already ?
17:03 ShadowNinja celeron55: I find CMake's syntax very convoluted.  I've used SCons in my projects, which uses Python scripts.  It's cross-platform too.
17:07 celeron55 i have never used scons (except built something made by someone else using it)
17:07 celeron55 is there a good comparison available somewhere?
17:07 celeron55 syntax, platforms and stuff like that
17:09 ShadowNinja celeron55: Well there's this, which is fairly complete but possibly biased: http://www.scons.org/wiki/SconsVsOtherBuildTools
17:09 ShadowNinja celeron55: And here's a (very) basic example: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/​NBT-CPP/blob/master/SConstruct
17:11 ShadowNinja celeron55: This is slightly more advanced: https://github.com/kaeza/minet​est-irc/blob/master/SConstruct
17:12 celeron55 doesn't seem to differ much
17:12 celeron55 it's just the same thing, with python
17:12 celeron55 would you really be willing to rewrite all the configuration options in minetest's build system in that?
17:12 celeron55 and then deal with all the regressions for months to come
17:14 ShadowNinja Um, maybe.  I'd rather start with a smaller project like minetestmapper though.
17:14 celeron55 i do hate cmake's macro language; but this isn't going to magically fix itself by just saying "let's use scons"
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18:53 sapier ShadowNinja:  that redesign wouldn't solve any of the issues I'm addressing with my toolkit
18:55 sapier my toolkit is meant to be a evolutionary addon to formspecs with quite calculatable effort to be finished while your (current) suggestion is just replacing current formspec but not adding any of the features I need for the menu
18:56 sapier if you provide this replacement and rewrite menu this way you're welcome. I'm glad if I don't have to maintain it any longer but I wont gonna write this total conversion with no obvious major benefit to our current version for sure.
19:02 sapier especially as I consider your suggesion way to underambitioned to justify that much work
19:04 ShadowNinja http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7246313/
19:05 sapier scons is neither standard nor anything close to it ... what's wrong with cmake?
19:05 ShadowNinja http://ix.io/bEx/diff 11 files changed, 106 insertions(+), 164 deletions(-) This makes minetestmapper use SCons.
19:06 ShadowNinja sapier: What build system standard is there to conform to?
19:06 sapier yes and another build system to install with don't know how much dependencys and don't know how many additional bugs and another syntax to handle
19:06 ShadowNinja It uses Python, so it's syntax is more standard.
19:06 ShadowNinja sapier: I cannot parse that sentence.
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19:07 sapier I've never written python and I know quite a lot developers never ever having heared about python ... of course if you know any language you know (almost) all ... but the subtile difference still are annoying
19:08 sapier and you haven't told about a real benefit by now ;-)
19:08 seolfor i finly manage to compile in vs2013 but aftrer execution attempt i got  missing error zibwapi.dll, enybody known wher can i find it ?
19:08 iqualfragile sapier: you do not really need to know python to write python
19:08 ShadowNinja sapier: Python is much easier to learn than CMake's language.
19:08 ShadowNinja celeron55: ^ Thoughts?
19:08 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: ~ he complains about scons having bugs and dependencies
19:09 sapier I don't wanna discuss about languages thats nonsense I wanna know what scons claims to handle that much better to justify changeing a working buildsystem without major flaws
19:09 seolfor ShadowNinja, i agree python is pice of a cake compare to cmake
19:09 iqualfragile was kinda direct translation from german
19:10 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: Ah, the only dependency that SCons has is Python.  And I have only found one thing that could be called a bug, but really indicates a problem in your code.
19:10 sapier WHATS SCONS BETTER THEN CMAKE ... NO SYNTACTICAL VRAP BUT REAL FEATURES ... will build be done in half time for example?
19:10 ShadowNinja sapier: The reason is simply that CMake is harder to use
19:10 iqualfragile well, understanding your build system seems like a bonus for me
19:10 ShadowNinja And no need to get worked up.
19:11 sapier sorry but if you're unable to typecmake on console you most likely shouldn do development
19:11 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: but he allready asked that question without getting an answer
19:11 ShadowNinja SCons *Might* have better implict dependency handling.  But it's have to try it on a bigger project to know.
19:12 seolfor btw can i get an answer meen while fight python vs cmake ?
19:12 ShadowNinja i'd*
19:12 sapier and I don't expect windows developers to be any more successfull with installing python and scons then with installing cmake only
19:12 ShadowNinja sapier: SCons and Python are available for Windows.
19:12 seolfor for shure i will not test it after finly executing build in cmake
19:12 ShadowNinja You can even bundle SCons with the project to remove that dependency.
19:13 sapier yes vs2012 is available too excel too .... wait excel is spread quite a lot why not build with excel?
19:13 iqualfragile sapier: ' '.join(["windows", "developers"])
19:13 sapier I've still not become a answer what bug scons is supposed to fix
19:13 iqualfragile IncompatibleDatatypesError
19:14 ShadowNinja sapier: Um, are you proller?...
19:14 seolfor iqualfragile, it's not so bad :p
19:14 ShadowNinja I told you.  It's easier to use and has more familiar syntax.
19:14 iqualfragile https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/com​mit/a5dcf123e0d9b568569118d1a05e24f56e7b5d69 but why?
19:14 sapier no I just hate switching tools for sake of switching, I've got better things to do then learning and fixing bugs in new tools because someone felt this to be more cool then another one
19:15 sapier especially if I don't have any problem with the current tool
19:15 ShadowNinja sapier: As for formspecs: A DOM-like library like you're proposing sounds good, but it would be much more natural with a table-based formspec.
19:16 seolfor point for sapier :p
19:16 iqualfragile sapier: have not read the discussion but implementing something dom-like instead of giving up and using html/xml seems wrong to me
19:17 sapier As I said ShadowNinja imho your suggestion is underambitioned for that less benefit doing that much work isn't worth it
19:17 ShadowNinja Otherwise it would need a formspec parser and writer.
19:17 seolfor well now sapier, ShadowNinja it dosn't metter what it is cmake or scons but plz explain me why in zlib source isn't zlibwapi.dll
19:19 sapier zlib is a very special case, if you use mingw you shouldn't use the prebuilt ones as mingw provides it's own version, if you mix up those two versions it's not gonna work. Sadly master is buggy and doesn't use mingw zlib you need to patch it manually
19:19 seolfor i made freking build of minetest i linked zlibwapi.lib but i can't wind enywhere zlibwapi.dll
19:19 ShadowNinja seolfor: Huh?  That sounds like a Zlib windoes shared library.
19:19 ShadowNinja seolfor: You linked a static library and it's looking for a shared one?
19:20 sapier but fixing this bug causes buildbot to fail
19:20 seolfor sapier, i made build of zlib with vs2012 so it should be compatiblie
19:20 ShadowNinja sfan5: You should look at ^ too.
19:20 sapier nope seolfor as mingw compiles everything else against it's built in zlib
19:22 iqualfragile hmmmm: we had a discussion about map generators some days ago
19:22 iqualfragile i build something in python, which outputs gnuplottable stuff, but i mainly have problems with getting the wind right
19:22 sapier ShadowNinja: if we didn't have our current formspec I'd agree to your syntax. But I don't feel this syntax to be advanced enough to be the final (or at least a long term) solution. And I don't have any interest in spending that much time to fix regressions and do maintenance for a interim format ... that has to be maintained with the final solution too.
19:23 iqualfragile if you want to take a look at it tell me and i will publish the repo somewhere
19:23 ShadowNinja sapier: Suggest a good alternative them.
19:23 seolfor sapier, im don't understand, so i have to bild evrything in vs2012 ?
19:23 iqualfragile seolfor: 1st step: install debian
19:23 seolfor or am i have problems only with zlib ?
19:23 sapier I don't have enough time to implement a really good solution. That's a task for someone else.
19:24 sapier yes either build in mingw or vs2012 seolfor
19:24 iqualfragile the cammera possition/mode stuff seems to raise new waring during compile
19:24 iqualfragile s/mm/m
19:24 sapier hmm pulls with warnings shouldn't be merged
19:25 seolfor sapier, thx .. 1 more try if it wont work i will install linux >.>
19:25 ShadowNinja sapier: Oh, I added experimental thread name support for Windows, BSD, and OSX here: http://ix.io/bBp/diff PilzAdam, sfan5: Can one of you make a Windows build?
19:25 sapier pthread_setname_np isn't generally available on linux
19:26 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, no, not now
19:26 PilzAdam I havent done builds in a while
19:26 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Alright.
19:26 iqualfragile sapier: http://bpaste.net/show/mBI4gTLT3E4DdzacvakL/
19:26 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, BlockMen does win builds too
19:27 ShadowNinja sapier: prctl could be used too, but that's been in glibc since 2.12 or so.
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19:27 ShadowNinja BlockMen: ^
19:27 sapier windows does have threadnames?
19:27 ShadowNinja Er, well, you hilighted him already.
19:27 ShadowNinja sapier: Seems so: http://msdn.microsoft.com/e​n-us/library/xcb2z8hs.aspx
19:28 sapier well I guess I'll be way more successfull to find a linux without pthread_setname_np then you're gonna find a linux 2.12
19:29 ShadowNinja sapier: I don't know what you mean, but I was refering to GlibC v 2.12, not Linux v 2.12
19:29 sfan5 ShadowNinja: how would you cross-compile with scons?
19:30 ShadowNinja sfan5: Hmmm, how do you with CMake?  Just add -march=win32 or some such?
19:30 sfan5 look into buildbot.sh
19:31 proller sapier, but why you merge pulls with lot of warnings?
19:31 sapier ahhhm I'm on wheezy and pthread_set_name_np isn't available?
19:31 ShadowNinja sapier: Hmmm, glibc 2.12 seems over 10 years old...
19:32 sapier proller I usually check my pulls to not add any warning on gcc and by if someone tells me about a warning on another compiler I'll fix it. But I can't fix things I don't know about.
19:32 proller try to use clang
19:33 sfan5 ^
19:33 sapier keep on talking proller
19:33 sapier If I didn check anything anyone ever asked to check I'd have to run 1 week of testing prior commiting a 1 line comment fix
19:34 sfan5 ShadowNinja: could you make a diff -Ru for thread names?
19:34 sfan5 oh, nvm
19:34 celeron55 >Python is much easier to learn than CMake's language.
19:34 celeron55 that's not true
19:34 celeron55 cmake is basically shell scripting
19:35 celeron55 ...but simpler
19:35 celeron55 (which is why it sucks for complicated things)
19:36 sapier ahh ok its pthread_setname_np on linux ... who did steal that "_"
19:36 celeron55 (eg. it doesn't have support for any kind of arrays; everything is a string)
19:37 ShadowNinja sfan5: http://ix.io/bEA
19:37 ShadowNinja Er, NVM too.  :-P
19:38 sapier And proller if you're that eager about fixing warnings why didn't you agree to any of those two attempts to fix them? someone tried half a year ago, I tried 2 months ago
19:38 ShadowNinja There aren't many, if any, warnings with GCC.
19:39 sfan5 ShadowNinja: Hunk #1 FAILED at 267., make a diff -ru (that works) please
19:39 sapier ShadowNinja:  there are quite a lot on clang
19:39 ShadowNinja sfan5: You said -Ru!
19:40 sfan5 -R is not a valid option
19:40 ShadowNinja sfan5: It is, it means reverse.
19:40 ShadowNinja http://ix.io/bBp
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19:40 ShadowNinja -R -- Swap two inputs; that is, show differences from index or on-disk file to tree contents.
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19:41 sfan5 my diff does not know that option
19:41 sapier ShadowNinja:  glibc 2.12 is 3. Aug 2010 ... far from 10 years old
19:41 sfan5 thanks
19:42 sapier debian squeeze has glibc 2.11 in ... and isn't outdated yet
19:42 ShadowNinja sapier: Yes.  I think we can safely rely and people having a <14 year old glibc.
19:43 sapier 4 YEARS ShadowNinja NOT 14
19:43 sapier you miss a full decade
19:43 ShadowNinja Er, right.
19:43 * ShadowNinja bangs his head against the wall.
19:43 sapier no we can't I still use squeeze on most of my servers and I guess quite a lot people do too
19:44 sfan5 ShadowNinja: that diff still fails to apply
19:45 sapier sfan5: do it manually it's minor
19:45 ShadowNinja Well, I guess we can't then.
19:45 sfan5 but I'm to lazy :s
19:46 sapier mid term I agree switching to pthread for all (used) os but until squeeze support has ended I'd prefere not break minetest on good old standard debian :)
19:47 ShadowNinja sfan5: Seems like cross compiling will only require env.tools.append("mingw") or some such.
19:47 sapier maybe we should check if debian backported that feature. I have doubts ... but maybe
19:47 sfan5 what if I want to specify a compiler?
19:47 ShadowNinja sapier: It's trivial to change that to prctl with a note that it should be done with pthread later.
19:47 sapier export GCC=clang
19:48 sapier export CC=clang
19:48 sapier without g
19:48 sapier and export CXX=c.lang
19:48 sfan5 does scons have a GUI?
19:48 sapier yes I think so too ShadowNinja in general that patch is quite good
19:48 ShadowNinja sfan5: Load the appropriate Tool(), or manually set env["CC"] and the like if your compiler isn't available in the default Tools.
19:48 sfan5 a-la cmake-gui
19:49 sfan5 /home/stefan/mt-build/build/c55/minete​st-minetest-8b02a01/src/porting.h:283: error: ‘SetThreadName’ was not declared in this scope
19:49 ShadowNinja sfan5: Nope.
19:49 ShadowNinja sfan5: Hmmm, what version of Windows?
19:49 sfan5 dunno
19:49 sapier that patch is based uppon a outdated (broken) version
19:50 sfan5 i586-mingw32msvc-gcc (GCC) 4.2.1-sjlj (mingw32-2)
19:50 sapier I fixed windows build yesteday because of that bug
19:50 sapier most likely that's reason why it doesn#t apply too
19:51 ShadowNinja Oh.
19:51 sapier gcc 4.2????? that's ancient
19:52 sfan5 sapier: complain to the debian/ubuntu maintainers
19:52 sapier what os?
19:52 sfan5 mine? xubuntu
19:53 sapier version ;-)
19:53 sapier even squeeze has gcc 4.4
19:53 sapier 4.2 ... etch?
19:54 sfan5 13.10
19:54 sapier wait .. mingw on linux? cross compiler?
19:54 sfan5 yes
19:54 sapier why not use a vm?
19:54 sfan5 too much work?
19:54 sapier compared to work required to get that ancient versions work?
19:55 sfan5 way less
19:55 sfan5 gcc 4.2 compiles minetest just fine
19:55 sapier ok :) if you think so :) I've installed win7 on a vm and latest mingw within a few minutes ;-)
19:56 sapier especially as I feel it's not gonna be much time till ppl demanding c11 standard could become successfull
19:56 ShadowNinja Here's an updated diff: http://ix.io/bEB
19:57 sapier why didn't you fix the prct thing as you already touched it? ;-)
19:57 ShadowNinja I don't know when SetThreadName was added, but it should be in windows.h.
19:57 ShadowNinja sapier: Er, right...
19:57 sfan5 *compiles new mingw*
19:58 sapier It's been added last week when the threadname support was pushed
19:58 iqualfragile debian maintainser seem to love to patch
19:58 iqualfragile oh w8
19:58 * iqualfragile was stupid
20:01 ShadowNinja CMake seems to *always* rebuild the ScriptAPI.
20:01 ShadowNinja Unless nothing's changed at all.
20:03 sapier my squeeze pthread.h doesn't contain pthread_setname_np so at least debian didn't patch glibc-2.11 ... prctl will have to do till sequeeze support is ended. As jessie doesn't seem to have a release date that could be anything from a couple of weeks to about a year
20:03 sapier at least the last years debian had a 2 year cycle if they keep it jessie is about to be released spring 2015
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20:06 iqualfragile its nice to have minetest in debian
20:12 ShadowNinja Comments?  Reorders initialization to make GCC happy: http://ix.io/bEG
20:13 ShadowNinja sfan5: Progress?
20:14 sfan5 progress with what?
20:16 ShadowNinja sfan5: The Windows build.  Does a newer MinGW work?
20:16 sfan5 I'm currently compiling MinGW
20:18 ShadowNinja Ah, I think I found out how to do it, but it will be MSVC only.
20:18 ShadowNinja (And ridiculously ugly)
20:32 sapier how to show the threadnames on windows?
20:32 ShadowNinja This should work for Linux, BSD, MSVC, and OSX.  Other windows compilers are ignored: http://sprunge.us/RgRS?diff
20:33 ShadowNinja sapier: Look at that.  It's a rediculously ugly hack, but it should work, and Microsoft seems to support it.
20:34 sapier by using an exception? :-) very strange way to do it :-)
20:34 seolfor sapier, i'v copiled all dependencies with vs2012, made proper config with cmake, succesfully build maintest and in runing attempt i reciving error like Kernel32.dll not found
20:34 sapier one of the most uglyest hack's I've ever seen
20:35 sapier you did compile minetest with vs2012 too?
20:35 seolfor yep
20:36 sapier can you try a tool like dependencywalker on your resulting binary? kernel32.dll is windows itself, I don't believe you're relly missing it
20:36 BlockMen ShadowNinja, your patch was not compiling at all, so i found this solution in inet https://gist.github.com/ano​nymous/2f6e2440976fcc969f32
20:37 seolfor i will try to find this "dependencywalker"
20:37 BlockMen oh, you posted a new one.
20:37 ShadowNinja BlockMen: ^ My latest one should work.
20:37 sapier http://www.dependencywalker.com/ seolfor
20:38 BlockMen ShadowNinja, will try
20:38 seolfor i thought it's build in vindows
20:38 seolfor windows*
20:38 ShadowNinja I thought that SetThreadName was a function in the Windows API, because you couldn't have possibly designed something THAT hacky, right?...
20:39 sapier there's no design it's just a function to be called in portab layer
20:40 ShadowNinja sapier: I mean, I didn't think Microsoft would have thought up something so bad and included it in their OS.
20:40 sapier actually that code is about half a year old and was linux only by that time
20:41 sapier I don't even have an idea where to see threadnames on windows? on linux I can lookup in proc filesystem and using top ... how to see them on windows?
20:42 seolfor sapier, only thing what's red in kernel32.dll is check sum http://snag.gy/3pXQg.jpg
20:42 seolfor what can i do with it ?
20:43 ShadowNinja sapier: VC debugger: http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/8549/Name​-your-threads-in-the-VC-debugger-thread-list
20:43 sapier any way to see them without debugger? ;-)
20:44 sapier usually I don't have a debugger attached to a minetest server/client going crazy ... it's often a release build too ... ok that wouldn't be a problem for this situation
20:45 sapier but it's better having it then not having anything, of course having a tool to read that information would be even better
20:46 ShadowNinja sapier: Um, the task manager might be able to show them.
20:46 sapier shadow can you create this diff as pull request?
20:46 ShadowNinja sapier: Sure.
20:47 sapier if noone complains till tomorrow I guess it's fine to merge
20:49 ShadowNinja https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1222
20:49 ShadowNinja BlockMen: Can you confirm that that works on Windows?
20:51 BlockMen ShadowNinja, wait a minute...
20:53 BlockMen sapier, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=137514#p137514 forgot to report, i noticed after switching to formspec pause menu
20:54 BlockMen ShadowNinja, if #1222 is like your patch, then yes, i can confirm
20:54 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1222 -- Add support for threadnames on BSD, Windows (MSVC-only), and OSX by ShadowNinja
20:54 BlockMen sapier, and it does only happen sometimes to me. maybe some threading problem?
20:55 sapier is there a way to reproduce it BlockMen?
20:57 BlockMen start a game, go into pause menu and then quit menu again (except exit application). but since its not always happening i cant reproduce it reliable
20:58 BlockMen and for some reason i cant debug atm
20:58 sapier should be fixed prior next release
20:59 sapier but the error doesn't help very much
20:59 BlockMen thats the problem...i will try to fix the debug mode
20:59 BlockMen *s/the/my
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21:18 PenguinDad I don't like how Sam's arm turns when digging https://mediacru.sh/4XOIJxdpNIUE :(
21:25 PenguinDad ^ Taoki this is related to https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/251
21:26 Taoki PenguinDad: Jordach corrected that, but it should be fine?
21:26 Taoki Need to check it better, I didn't notice any changes to animations
21:29 PenguinDad Taoki: this happened after I applied #251
21:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/251 -- Add #include guards to base64.h by matttpt
21:32 Taoki https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=137530#p137530 Opinions?
21:35 sapier quite interesting
21:36 Taoki I initially wanted to make a simple player list, showing players and their ping. But I realized we could have more than Minecraft, such as icons and profiles / descriptions :)
21:36 Taoki I think this will motivate online play a bit more. Since players can get something that offers them more personality
21:37 Taoki Not sure how and if to use profile info and avatars from minetest_game by default, but even if it won't be used there other games / mods / servers can do so. Will go nicely with player skin selection mods :)
21:48 seolfor sapier, it's seems i made it runable but i geting some test's error can you look at this log http://pastebin.com/42iY16GD
21:49 seolfor or anybody else ?
21:49 ShadowNinja Pushing in a minute if there are no objections: http://ix.io/bEJ
21:50 sapier seolfor add "--disable-unittests" to command line
21:50 ShadowNinja This too: http://ix.io/bEK
21:50 sapier some of the tests are quite timing criticak
21:51 sapier http://ix.io/bEJ is fine and I'd make this http://ix.io/bEK a error message only
21:51 sapier wait that's configuring a timer?
21:52 sapier if yes you should check "func" to be a function too
21:52 ShadowNinja sapier: minetest.after(1, nil) is a real error.
21:52 seolfor now i got "ERROR FROM LUA WHILE INITIALIZING ASYNC ENVIRONMENT"
21:52 ShadowNinja Func is checked.
21:52 sapier but only to be not nil
21:53 sapier minetest.after(1,"someone") would still work
21:53 ShadowNinja True.
21:53 sapier interesting seolfor what machine do you have? did you compile luajit too?
21:54 seolfor yep but i didn include them in cmake config
21:54 seolfor so mayby that is the case ..
21:54 seolfor from cmake gui console : LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua.
21:55 sapier no I ask because we've got some race condition on debian luajit with quite fast machines ... but as you don't have luajit this must be something different
21:56 seolfor here is whole log form minetest
21:56 seolfor http://pastebin.com/zj3r5dbb
21:57 seolfor and log form cmake: http://pastebin.com/Lqrft5y6
21:57 sapier ah that file isn't there ... can you look for it and check it is there?
21:57 sapier C:\Users\Art\Documents\projects\minete​st\bin\Debug\..\builtin\async_env.lua
21:58 seolfor yep the path is wrong it should have ../../ instead of one ../
21:59 seolfor who can i set it to proper path ? or should i move builtin ?
21:59 seolfor where*
22:01 sapier start minetest from base folder not from bin
22:01 sapier bin\minetest
22:03 ShadowNinja sapier: http://sprunge.us/OBNf
22:03 seolfor if i do it i have other path problems >.> like ../../src/script not foud
22:03 seolfor i copied builtin in to bin and it worked
22:04 sapier ok will do for the moment seolfor
22:05 ShadowNinja Also, I need this http://ix.io/bcp to get Minetest to load a world now.
22:05 sapier ShadowNinja: what happens if you call type of nil?
22:06 ShadowNinja sapier: "Assertation failed" followed by a traceback.
22:06 seolfor it's great it's wokring at least ;]
22:06 ShadowNinja Or rather "Invalid minetest.after invocation".
22:08 sapier ShadowNinja: that's a workaround fix the invalid nlx nly or nlz value
22:08 ShadowNinja hmmmm: Any ideas why I need that hack?
22:08 ShadowNinja sapier: Well, duh...
22:08 sapier don't push it it's hiding bugs
22:10 ShadowNinja Hmmm, this seems odd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7247067/
22:10 ShadowNinja sapier: Yes, I won't push that, but I need it locally.
22:11 sapier float to int casting?
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22:13 ShadowNinja No, the comment mentions (sz * spread * ofactor).  The code does (sx * ofactor / spread).
22:14 ShadowNinja Changing it to multiplication fixes it.
22:22 BlockMen what is this supposed to do? why is quit=true returned when quit_mode is cancel?
22:22 BlockMen https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl​ob/master/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp#L2177
22:24 sapier L2177 sets field named fname to text shown
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22:28 BlockMen the question was more where is it for what propose used?
22:38 ShadowNinja This works: http://ix.io/bEL But I don't really know what I'm doing.  hmmmm might be able to help.
22:38 hmmmm wtf
22:38 hmmmm shadowninja, stop
22:39 hmmmm don't mess with noise if it already works
22:39 hmmmm the comment is clearly wrong, all you're doing there is allocating a much, much, much larger array than is necessary
22:47 hmmmm that comment came from the original implementation of the optimized noise, when the spread factor was not the divisor, i changed that so people wouldn't have to pre-evaluate the result of 1/250 to put in the config file, for example
23:28 ShadowNinja hmmmm: But it doesn't work.  It throws std::bad_aloc.
23:28 ShadowNinja +l
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