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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2014-03-30

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06:44 celeron55 ~tell spillz if that doesn't cause a lot of maintenance overhead in the future, it seems fine
06:44 ShadowBot celeron55: O.K.
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13:43 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/d​ownloads/Minetest-release.apk optimized release build now ... quite a lot faster not perfect but on my pad at least acceptable
13:48 celeron55 it crashes at early startup on sailfish
13:49 sapier can you try once again? I experienced random startup crashes ocassionaly on my pad too ... sometimes I had to reboot it ... but I don't know why this happens ... thought it's because of my cheap pad by now
13:49 celeron55 well, multiple times already
13:49 sapier ok so it's something different
13:49 celeron55 actually, it doesn't even seem to crash
13:50 celeron55 this is something weird
13:50 sapier exception handler doesn't look like a crash on android
13:50 celeron55 yes it doesn't throw anything
13:51 sapier it does but it's cought ... you should still see some (more or less) telling last message from minetest (if this is your problem)
13:51 celeron55 message in where?
13:52 sapier logcat? doesn't sailfish have something similar?
13:52 celeron55 it has, but i have been unable to get it to print anything else than crash exceptions
13:52 celeron55 so if it catches the exception, then no luck
13:52 sapier on some devices they're written to debug.txt too ... for some reason this doesn't work on some android versions
13:53 sapier ok so your device is one of those who don't print to debug.txt
13:53 celeron55 i haven't looked
13:54 sfan5 sapier: you could to to freopen(stdout, "/sdcard/stdout.txt") to catch a bit more debug stuff
13:55 celeron55 it seems like it doesn't get to writing to debug.txt
13:55 sapier actually all of it should be written to debug.txt ... as my device does this properly and those I know who don't don't support developer mode too I didn't look for the bug by now
13:55 celeron55 the previous debug package does
13:55 celeron55 at least it seems like so, i don't have time for making sure now
13:56 sapier strange ... did you try to delete/move Minetest folder to force a clean copy yet?
13:56 sapier I wonder why those things always work for me and fail for first other one :-)
13:56 celeron55 no, maybe later
13:57 sapier no problem :) I have to wait for my device to recharge right now too
13:58 sapier usb connection is only enough to slow down discharge for this device ... well it's a 90 eur only device
13:58 sapier celeron55 the release package is signed with a self signed key maybe sailfish doesn't allow things like that?
14:00 celeron55 it seemed to install fine; previously when something had a modified key it didn't install at all and i had to manually erase the previous key from the system
14:01 celeron55 maybe something postpones the check to runtime, dunno
14:01 sapier ok so this isn't the reason
14:01 celeron55 the android VM in this isn't particularly keen on giving out any kind of usable error messages
14:01 sapier sad
14:01 celeron55 it just does nothing if it thinks something is wrong 8)
14:05 sfan5 We should use this kind of error handling in Minetest too
14:09 celeron55 yes
14:09 celeron55 nobody would ever see any error again
14:09 celeron55 so they couldn't complain about errors
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15:07 ShadowNinja Hehe, freeminer has a similar strategy.  "Fatal" Lua errors aren't ... fatal.
15:13 proller 99.99%of this errors not fatal
15:14 proller just "lua = shit" and "developer of mod have curved hands"
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15:14 specing lol curved hands
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16:10 iqualfragile curved hands? wtf?
16:16 specing ... in soviet russia, bad developers have curved hands
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16:27 spillz for Ubuntu users -- currently building new minetest packages for minetestdevs ppa: https://code.launchpad.net/~min​etestdevs/+archive/daily-builds
16:28 spillz once ready, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds; sudo apt-get install minetest
16:28 spillz enables luajit, leveldb, gettext
16:29 spillz let me know if anything breaks...
16:29 spillz I will update the "stable" packages later
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19:33 iqualfragile spillz: yay, luajit
19:43 sapier what do you think about hiding the key select button on android? there's nothing to select anyway and we'd need some features formspec doesn't have right now to replace the button select dialog by a formspec one
19:45 sfan5 key select button?
19:45 sfan5 what does that one do?
19:46 sapier the one showing up the key select/change dialog
19:47 ShadowNinja Comments on adding "One space after 'if', 'for', 'while', etc." to the code style guidelines?
19:48 sfan5 There shouldn't be any spaces after if/for/while .. IMO
19:49 Kray if minetest code doesn't have spaces after keywords in general that would be a silly change
19:50 ShadowNinja I'm not sure which is more common.
19:50 sapier I don't think this is important enough to bully coders ... especially as I'm quite sure I'll be the only one bullied as usual
19:50 ShadowNinja I think older code is missing spaces though.
19:50 sapier because I'm the only coredev silly enough asking prior merge
19:51 ShadowNinja sapier: Actually I was going to "bully" someone else.  ;-)
19:51 ShadowNinja But this won't be a major issue, more a suggestion.
19:52 sapier as I said I'd consider this a nice to have ... maybe add a "suggestions" section to coding style?
19:53 proller code style must be in astyle config format
19:54 sapier back to coding ... can someone try to find out where the bug is burried slowing down on vanessae's server spawn
19:55 ShadowNinja http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7181308/
19:55 ShadowNinja I'll add it as a suggestion then.
19:55 VanessaE s/vanessae\'
19:55 VanessaE s/vanessae\'s/vanessae\'s vanilla/
19:56 VanessaE the other servers can be blamed on nodeboxes et al., but vanilla is an enigma.
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