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01:37 Megaf Hi
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04:43 VanessaE celeron55: *poke*
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11:18 nore any thoughts on #1119?
11:18 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1119 -- Fix rendering glitches when far from the center of the map by Novatux
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13:04 john_minetest Can we give the minetest engine another name?
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13:36 sfan5 awesome!
13:36 sfan5 ssh server on my pi broke and i do not have another way to login
13:37 nore lol
13:38 proller telnet!
13:45 sfan5 (oops, wrong channel)
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17:57 xyz ~tell sapier why do you hack SendChatMessage with PEER_ID_INEXISTENT here: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/src/server.cpp#L3038 and then use that instead of using already existing BroadcastChatMessage?
17:57 ShadowBot xyz: O.K.
17:57 xyz why was that accepted?
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18:23 xyz ~tell sapier nvm, I've figured out you removed it for some reason
18:23 ShadowBot xyz: O.K.
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18:40 sapier xyz I removed BroadcastChatMessage because there where multiple locations where exactly same for loop was used to do exactly same thing.
18:40 sfan5 xyz's not here
18:40 sfan5 he seems to leave right after doing things
18:40 sfan5 which is pretty stupid IMO
18:40 sapier what did he do?
18:41 Exio4 sfan5, sapier wasn't here when xyz said that either
18:41 sfan5 xyz joins, uses ShadowBot to tell your smth., xyz leaves
18:41 sapier oh I see
18:41 sfan5 you*
18:41 sapier well I hope he's gonna read the log because I don't know how to use shadowbot ;-)
18:42 sfan5 ~tell <person> <text>
18:42 sfan5 not that hard
18:46 sapier well usually I forget things like that very soon
18:57 sapier https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/pull/1164/files last chance to find bugs, I'm gonna merge this in an hour
18:58 nore can I have opinions on #1119 please?
18:58 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1119 -- Fix rendering glitches when far from the center of the map by Novatux
18:58 VanessaE I believe there were complaints, sapier, about the size of that formspec pause menu being too big for some smaller devices
18:58 sapier I already fixed this VanessaE
18:58 VanessaE ok
18:58 sapier it's now exactly like it was before
18:59 sapier at least for all things I tried
19:00 sapier nore haven't there been concerns about switching to often?
19:00 nore sapier, so in the future, lua-configurable pause menu?
19:00 nore sapier, the flickering has been fixed now
19:01 sapier no not configurable yet
19:01 nore https://github.com/Novatux/minetest/commit​/bf688bbc8e01a33db3aa3f6fefbb4fd789ce8100
19:01 nore ^ there
19:01 sapier but it'd be a minor change to make it configurable now
19:01 sapier right now it's just using formspec engine to reduce code required for it by 2/3
19:02 nore good... 2/3 less code == 2/3 less probability to get bugs
19:03 sapier most easy way to fix bugs is removing code ... and another positive sideffect is we only have to fix formspec engine to get high dpi support
19:04 sapier actually this fix is just some bywork I had to do for android port but who cares where it's from ;-)
19:04 VanessaE definitely merge 1119 if it works and has no side effects
19:04 VanessaE (I love seeing bugfixes go in in response to bugs marked as "can't fix" :P )
19:04 sapier novatux code seems to be fine, but I haven't tested it do you know about someone actually trying it?
19:05 nore me ;) but that's not enough
19:05 sapier VanessaE? ;-) *smile*
19:07 PenguinDad nore, I tested it with teleporting to -30972,-30972,-30972 and normal playing
19:07 nore did you check nodeboxes? it is those who usually flicker
19:08 nore (especially thin ones, + signs, etc)
19:08 VanessaE also check with signs_lib's signs
19:08 VanessaE see how the entities attached to those behave
19:08 VanessaE those will bug out faster than anything else, I expect.
19:08 sapier PenguinDad can you confirm the size of menu now is as it should be?
19:09 PenguinDad sapier, everything is fine now
19:11 sapier good ... positive sideeffect is you can now correctly use tabs ingame too
19:15 PenguinDad I can't see any flickering nodeboxes
19:16 sapier I agree to merging it
19:16 VanessaE PenguinDad, check the current version of Home Decor modpack please
19:16 VanessaE the signs therein
19:16 VanessaE see how they behave too
19:21 nore ok, it is a bug that is still there
19:22 VanessaE nore:  mind you, they flicker a bit even near the map center
19:23 VanessaE see for example the signs near the spawn at Survival
19:23 nore no, I mean: you can't see it at all
19:23 VanessaE oops, wrong channel
19:23 nore I guess they are not translated
19:23 VanessaE well, eh, it's related.
19:23 VanessaE oh wow.  yeah that'll need to be dealt with :)
19:23 sapier a bug in the 1119 or something different?
19:26 nore in 1119
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19:47 PenguinDad I didn't notice any flickering on homedecors signs
19:49 nore did you still see them when far from the center?
19:53 PenguinDad nore, yes I can see them near the edge of the world
19:55 nore it looks like there are no bugs then... it is strange, because in the test I just did on VE-Survival, no problem, and on VE-Creative, it didn't work
20:00 nore ok, it looks like it works again...
20:00 nore sapier, still ok for merging?
20:01 sapier strange
20:01 sapier bugs disappearing usually tend to reoccur
20:01 nore haven't been able to find out why... I guess (or rather hope) it was some kind of lag of the server
20:02 nore they're ghost bugs, that's the problem
20:02 nore they disappear when you try to look at them
20:03 sapier hmmm it's your patch, if there are bugs in it's up to you to fix them as soon as possible so do you think it should be merged?
20:03 sapier I'm fine with it as long as you don't forget it as soon as it's merged ;-)
20:04 nore well, I guess I'll merge it, and if one finds a big bug that I can't fix, I'll revert it...
20:04 sapier :-) I'm for fixing the bug instead of reverting ;-)
20:04 nore but I have tested it a lot, and PenguinDad said he couldn't find a bug
20:05 nore <nore> ... that I can't fix ...
20:06 sapier there are almost no bugs which can't be fixed some way, most time it's just a matter of work ;-)
20:07 nore indeed
20:07 nore and anyway: it is easy to disable without removing the commit...
20:08 nore just change the constant to 0x7fff
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20:53 Megaf Hi all
20:53 Megaf folks, How to enable and use OpenGL ES?
20:54 Megaf I used the -DENABLE_GLES=1 flag already
20:54 Megaf What do I do now?
20:55 sapier why do you want to enable opengles?
20:55 Megaf sapier, Becaus I'm on an ARM computer
20:55 Megaf Because*
20:55 sapier for what I was told yesterday the only reason for this parameter is to DISABLE it ;-)
20:56 Megaf At the moment it is using OpenGL Software rendering
20:56 Megaf Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1
20:56 Megaf Software Rasterizer: Mesa Project
20:56 Megaf OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
20:57 sapier well if you manage to get it work I guess we'll gladly add your fixes
20:57 Megaf I'm exploring the code at the moment
20:58 sapier do you have any error message?
20:58 Megaf nope
20:58 Megaf I'm not sure if it's my fault or some config problem
20:58 Megaf I understand that there should be an option like opengles to use on minetest.conf
20:59 sapier isn't here?
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20:59 sapier I've just ported minetest to android which is arm too
21:00 Megaf I'm not sure, take a look https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/57710520dca6bce175a6be48989e0a46​89b1404e/minetest.conf.example#L122
21:00 sapier at least ogles1 and ogles2 are configurable ... later one doesn't work right now
21:00 Megaf sapier, The hardware I'm using is the very same a Samsung Galaxy S3 uses
21:00 Megaf but running Debian Wheezy
21:01 sapier I suggest waiting some weeks, I can't merge all at once so you're most likely doing sone double work if you port it right now
21:01 sapier https://github.com/sapier/mine​test/tree/android_cherry_picks
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21:02 sapier that's the base I'm about to merge but it's not gonna be merged exactly the way it is there
21:02 sapier first of all the generic fixes are merged, thos might already be enough for your environment
21:07 Megaf Ok, I'm about to compile that branch
21:07 Megaf running cmake
21:07 Megaf compiling
21:08 Megaf sapier, I can help you testing it on actual android too
21:08 Megaf I have to smart phones running Android, one its ARM and runs Android 2.1 or 2.2 and has qwerty keyboard
21:08 Megaf and another is running Android 4.1.3 or so, and its an Intel Atom
21:09 sapier not sure if 2.1 and 2.1 work but you can give it a try http://animalsmod.comuf.com/d​ownloads/Minetest-debug-2.apk
21:09 Megaf I can have Android on the box I'm on now, its a quad core ARM at 1,7 GHz, 2 GB of RAM (Galaxy S3)
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21:09 Megaf and I can run android 4.0 on my old EeePC 701 too
21:10 sapier I'd be glad to get some feedback
21:10 sapier right now I've got only three devices to test it
21:18 Megaf cool
21:18 VanessaE four but one crashes instantly :P
21:18 Megaf and now I got a clean flash drive (it went to the washing machine with my clothes)
21:18 sapier *g* sorry vanessaE
21:19 sfan5 Megaf: it shouldn't break from that
21:19 Megaf It didnt
21:19 Megaf I wouldnt work at first, but then I let it dry, not its working ok again
21:20 Megaf and its clean :P
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21:20 sapier *g* well usually you shouldn't attach wet devices to anything providing electicity
21:20 Megaf sapier, is there any apk anywhere of your minetest?
21:21 sfan5 sapier: have you tested my android build's controls?
21:21 sfan5 IIRC they were different
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21:22 sapier I tried stus and xyz's sorry didn't know about yours sfan
21:22 sapier stu and xyz's cross did use way to much of my devices screen so I changed to T style
21:23 VanessaE maybe a menu item to select which control style you prefer, would be in order.
21:23 Megaf indeed
21:23 sapier no
21:23 Megaf some games even let you customize the layout
21:23 sapier we have to decide
21:24 sapier and you can't really jump in cross style control anyway
21:24 sfan5 it is way nicer if the user can choose?
21:25 VanessaE well then the other style, but with a "size" adjustment somewhere
21:25 sapier unless you've got a very very big device or small fingers
21:25 sfan5 s/?//
21:25 sfan5 g'night for now
21:25 VanessaE night
21:25 sapier no it isn't it's just a useless decision adding additional settings where I suggest to remove all but most required settings
21:26 sapier and as I said I don't even know how someone is supposed to really walk around using the cross
21:26 sapier how do you do it sfan?
21:27 VanessaE I don't get what's so hard about having two "joysticks" on the screen, in opposite corners.
21:28 VanessaE one to control walking/strafing, one for turning and looking up/down
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21:28 sapier vanessae that's what my control implements
21:28 VanessaE oh ok
21:28 VanessaE guess I'd have known that if it didn't crash at startup ;)
21:29 sapier you can move your view by right thumb as well as press the jump button placed on right side
21:29 VanessaE but anyway, I think of it like the PS1-and-up "dual shock" controller
21:29 sapier while T style movement is controled by left thumb
21:29 VanessaE nono, not T-style. use a d-pad style.
21:30 sapier pad style uses way to much of screen
21:30 VanessaE so make it smaller
21:30 VanessaE or rather,
21:30 VanessaE make it a joystick
21:30 VanessaE forget the pad entirely
21:30 sapier can you imagine some ppl having bigger thumbs then you girls do?
21:30 VanessaE nonono
21:31 Megaf one half of screen as a camera moving pad
21:31 VanessaE drag a joystick around a small area, no more than 1x1 cm (on an average phone)
21:31 Megaf and another half as directions
21:31 Megaf one half = mouse
21:31 sapier to me with cross style control I did cover about 1/5th of screen with my hand
21:31 Megaf another half = keyabord
21:31 Megaf keyboard
21:31 VanessaE don't look for *buttons* to press, look for an object being dragged around, like what sfan5 was working on
21:31 VanessaE but much smaller
21:31 sapier and another 1/5 with my right hand
21:32 sapier this doesn't matter on 20" tablets but is crap on 4" mobile phones
21:32 VanessaE I'm thinking of phones actually
21:32 VanessaE a 10cm phone will have a screen about 4x8 cm or thereabouts
21:33 VanessaE that's plenty of space to allow for a little 1.5x1.5 drag area in each corner
21:33 sapier why cover more screen if there's a less covering way handling same even better?
21:33 VanessaE because you gotta think of this from a gamer perspective, not a coder perspective :)
21:33 VanessaE have you ever played on a PS1? :)
21:33 sapier actually I did use the cross before I tried to play it
21:34 VanessaE no no no and no
21:34 VanessaE not the cross
21:34 sapier the T was result of actually playing and beeing anoyed about hiding
21:34 VanessaE you're not listening :P
21:34 sapier no because a PS1 has a controler AND a screen
21:34 sapier so this is a very very bad example
21:34 VanessaE not a cross and not a D-pad
21:35 sapier we can talk quite some time I suggest just trying
21:35 sapier codewise it's a minor change
21:36 VanessaE I've played the style you're talking about before, it works but it takes too much screen space
21:36 VanessaE and it's a very coarse control system
21:36 sapier T style takes to much space?
21:36 VanessaE yes
21:37 sapier you know cross requires 1/3 more?
21:37 VanessaE didn't I just say *not* a cross? :)
21:37 VanessaE I'm suggesting something different.
21:37 sapier ok now I'm curious?
21:37 VanessaE imagine a single button, maybe 1 or 1.5 cm square on your 10cm screen.
21:38 VanessaE touch the center and drag your finger to one side or another.
21:38 VanessaE THAT is how you move
21:38 sapier and where's the difference to a cross?
21:38 VanessaE the difference is the cross requires you to touch the individual buttons
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21:38 sapier why?
21:38 VanessaE this is a proportional joytick
21:38 VanessaE joystick*
21:39 sapier we don't have movement speed
21:39 sapier so it's digital anyway
21:39 VanessaE well even better
21:39 VanessaE you don't need multiple buttons when just a tiny movement of your finger across a single button's worth of space should do the same job
21:40 sapier better? this results in your suggestion just beeing usage of a different texture for cross style buttons ;-)
21:40 VanessaE ok so maybe it's a cross but you propose this gigantic thing
21:40 sapier you still need them unless you wanna implement a completely new irrlicht gui element
21:40 VanessaE I propose something really tiny that barely takes the space of an average home screen icon :P
21:41 sapier that's not gonna work due to some bad touchscreens
21:41 VanessaE define "bad"
21:41 sapier my brothers touchscreen doesn't do stable touch detection once you touch it it's going to move in some direction later
21:42 VanessaE damn.
21:42 sapier so if you make your cross to small you'll get erratic movement
21:42 VanessaE another argument for a size control then
21:42 sapier size control?
21:43 VanessaE start with some gigantic thing about the size of Buildcraft or that "other" one, let those whose screens work properly size the button way down to something more reasonable.
21:43 VanessaE you know, something in the Settings menu "large", "small", "tiny" etc.
21:43 sapier you're talking about dpi dependent gui?
21:43 VanessaE naw, something more coarse than that.
21:44 sapier you know how foolisch the average android user is?
21:44 VanessaE of course.
21:44 VanessaE that's what disclaimers are for :P
21:44 sapier so ANY setting is to much for them ;-)
21:44 sapier disclaimers wont help
21:44 VanessaE thing is though,
21:45 VanessaE we just can NOT dumb this down
21:45 VanessaE that's too wrong
21:45 sapier telling "but I it was written there" wont stop anyone from beeing upset
21:45 sapier in best case we find a control which is usefull on any device
21:46 VanessaE but then the "it takes too much of the screen" becomes a problem
21:46 VanessaE there can be no balance here I'm afraid
21:46 sapier there can be
21:46 sapier we can't expect to get it work on 240x200 ... that's not gonna work anyway
21:47 VanessaE if Android can offer font sizes of "large", "huge", etc., why can't Minetest offer a similarly-coarse, generic set of sizes for its overlay/UI controls?
21:47 VanessaE oh I dunno, DOOM worked out pretty well at 320x240... :P
21:48 proller i have 240x240 android device or tests
21:48 sapier maybe in some later version but right now we shouldn't delay it by requesting features which are only usfull for minirity
21:48 VanessaE well maybe
21:48 sapier if you find anyone who did play doom on touchscreen 20 years ago I'll add sizes immediatly ;-P
21:48 proller for tests
21:48 VanessaE but first, before that, we need to make it work at all ;)
21:49 sapier does it support opengles proller?
21:49 proller it have 2 cores and 8k in antutu
21:49 sapier ogles1?
21:50 proller freeminer started on it, menu shows, but impossible to select
21:50 sapier ok should work
21:50 sapier hmm maybe we need a even simpler main menu then my simplified version
21:50 proller just resize it
21:50 Megaf sapier, os there an apk to run your build?
21:51 sapier (22:14:04) sapier: not sure if 2.1 and 2.1 work but you can give it a try http://animalsmod.comuf.com/d​ownloads/Minetest-debug-2.apk
21:51 sapier resizing won't work as you can't use the buttons
21:52 sapier if you wanna use it on devices that small we need a completely new layout
21:53 sapier I already thought about it but some ppl always expect it to contain ALL settings from original one ... which is just crap for screens that limited ;-)
21:54 proller i can use chrome and browse sites, why i cant hit to resized menu?
21:55 sapier because irrlicht gui won't resize the gui as whole but the individual elements messing up completely
21:57 sapier if we did find a way to scale the large gui this would work, so  if someone knows how this works you're welcome ;-)
21:58 sapier but proller do you really feel using a regular down scaled website "comfortable"?
21:58 proller nothing comfortable on this screen
21:58 proller but anything works ;)
21:58 sapier maybe we should first focus on screens where it's going to be usefull and then fix the issues for exotic devices?
22:00 sapier how do I make a screenshot on android? are there apps doing things like that?
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22:00 VanessaE it's built in
22:00 sapier how to do it?
22:01 VanessaE in the ":::" menu should be an app that does it.  or at least mine came with a screenshooter already included
22:01 sapier ::: menu?
22:01 sapier I'm new to android ;-)
22:01 VanessaE the button in the upper right corner of your home screen?
22:02 VanessaE looks like a ":::" ?
22:02 sapier settings?
22:02 sapier yes
22:02 VanessaE no, it pulls up a screen of all your current apps
22:03 VanessaE you can also configure the OS to put the screenshooter in your control/status bar also
22:03 sapier ok found it
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22:06 Megaf__ Hi all
22:06 Megaf__ Android here :)
22:07 sapier http://imgur.com/Jj4Fyhb that's how it's gonna look like
22:08 VanessaE EEK
22:08 VanessaE good G*D
22:08 VanessaE that's ridiculously huge
22:08 VanessaE I was trying to suggest something maybe the size of one of the hotbar icons, at the biggest
22:08 sapier nor try to imagine this beeing a 3x5 cm display
22:09 VanessaE with a clearance space around it maybe as big as ONE of your arrows
22:09 sapier with my thumb beeing 1.5 cm
22:09 sapier well and I wouln't have any chance to control my movement with a control that small
22:09 Megaf__ sapier: Your build dont work here
22:10 Megaf__ perhaps because its an Intel CPU?
22:10 VanessaE 3x5cm?  erm, you said it was a 4" display == 10cm
22:10 sapier intel android?
22:10 Megaf__ yes...
22:10 Megaf__ I use Android 4.0.3 on my EeePC 701, Intel Celeron @ 900 MHz
22:11 VanessaE ok zooming the page out to make that image about 10cm diagonal, that's still a huge control.  why can't you make it like the ellipse on the right?
22:11 Megaf__ and my smartphone is a Motorola Razr I (Intel Atom @ 2 GHz)
22:11 sapier well it's for real android megaf ;-)
22:12 sapier well on my dads smartphone this size was usable for my hands
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22:12 sapier on my tablet it's way to huge of course
22:12 RealBadAngel hi
22:12 VanessaE sapier: I have pretty big hands, likely bigger than yours even.  this control system you've got proposed here would be bigger than even I would need on a phone that size.
22:13 VanessaE hey RBA.
22:13 sapier but your's requires quite precise touchscreens
22:13 VanessaE (assuming the aforementioned 10cm phone)
22:14 sapier basicaly my view control works this way and I'm not really happy about it
22:15 sapier on my tablet I have to move at least 1cm to get a response at all
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22:15 VanessaE put your tablet into debug mode, there's a thing that'll show you just how precise, or not, your screen really is
22:16 VanessaE settings -> dev options -> pointer location
22:16 VanessaE er, your phone I mean
22:16 sapier it's just androids fat finger correction as my finger isn't set plain to the device
22:17 sapier if I use it with tablet laying on table and press a single finger it's way more precise but tablets are usually held and controled by thumb
22:19 celeron55 is there a way to jump in this?
22:19 sapier I feel we need prepare some options and start a poll
22:20 sapier jump is done by the concentric cicles
22:20 celeron55 oh i see
22:20 sapier so you can move with left hand and view/jump by right
22:21 celeron55 i like that
22:21 VanessaE I dunno.
22:21 sapier of course the button icons require some better artwork, I'm not very skilled in doing things like that
22:21 sapier the better ones are from stu's build
22:21 VanessaE that kinda screws with the usual left-hand-to-move/jump, right to turn/dig/build paradigm
22:22 sapier you can't use your left hand to move and jump anyway
22:22 celeron55 this plays fine on sailfish, but it's still impossible to write anything to text fields
22:23 sapier I assume you use middle finger to move and thumb on space to jump
22:23 celeron55 the keyboard pops up, but if i press enter, it goes to the game, and if i close the keyboard without pressing enter, it just closes it and no value ends up anywhere
22:23 sapier that should work in my build
22:23 sapier at least if you get it run
22:23 celeron55 (no value ends up anywhere in the first case either)
22:23 celeron55 i'm using that build
22:24 sapier yes closing keyboard doesn't work due to a android bug
22:24 sapier strange
22:24 celeron55 anyway the end result is that i can't write anything to any text field whatsoever
22:24 sapier that's bad
22:25 sapier I don't have sailfish, is there some emulator to try?
22:25 celeron55 probably not
22:25 sapier megaf did you have any success on other devices?
22:26 sapier :-/
22:26 celeron55 sailfish native apps are generally developed on an i486 version of sailfish
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22:26 sapier I wonder what sailfish is doing different to android for keyboards ... maybe the keycodes
22:26 celeron55 and this android stuff tends to only work on arm
22:27 sapier wait you've been able to run the arm apk on i486?
22:27 celeron55 no
22:27 sapier oh you rebuilt it
22:27 celeron55 i run it on a real Jolla
22:27 sapier ah ok
22:29 celeron55 now i got the "No world selected and no address provided. Nothing to do." error and can't close it
22:29 celeron55 the back button does nothing and there's no button in the dialog 8)
22:29 sapier ok but still first step is to merge the general fixes from that branch, then decide which way of touchscreen gui to merge and then how the exact gui design should be ... at least in my gui it's a minor change using T or cross
22:29 sapier no workd selected? how did you even get there?
22:29 sapier my build should always select a single world only?
22:30 celeron55 i just pressed enter on the keyboard, trying to type a name (= typed something blidnly because can't see the field under the keyboard and pressed enter on the keyboard)
22:31 celeron55 it behaves like pressing enter on a real keyboard, and other keys don't do anything 8)
22:31 sapier funny :-) no idea how to reproduce this on android
22:32 sapier yes but there are only two actions on my build either connect to multiplayer or start with a predefined world :-) ... at least those are the two intended options
22:32 celeron55 just don't select any server and press "connect"
22:33 sapier ahh ok :) now I got it
22:33 celeron55 it's the "enter action" of the menu i guess
22:34 sapier yes I'm gonna fix the error message guess I forgot the button for it
22:36 sapier but right now it's a proof of concept only some code isn't yet shaped for merge
22:36 celeron55 i'm not sure where to find information about how exactly sailfish has wired it's native keyboard to the android interfaces; it's not really important though because nobody uses this platform :P
22:37 celeron55 (except me and about 3000 other people)
22:37 sapier why skip a platform if it's just minor things to fix? (if it's just minor)
22:37 sapier hmm actually the button is there .... below the visible range ;-)
22:38 celeron55 could it be that minetest reads some kind of "hard" keys and the keyboard outputs only some kind of character keys?
22:38 sapier possible the keyboard code is a patch to irrlicht right now ... I just did copy it and it did look quite hacky
22:38 celeron55 there's a chance that it doesn't output anything though, if only input to android-native text fields is implemented
22:38 sapier as hacky as wchar translation I had to ad
22:38 sapier d
22:39 sapier android just put the normal chars in an integer array :-/
22:40 celeron55 i think minetest should pop up a native text field for text input, to the upper part of the screen
22:40 celeron55 that way everything will work everywhere
22:41 sapier that'd work yes ... but break style completely
22:41 celeron55 as if minetest had any style 8)
22:41 sapier at least it's consistent in gui ;-)
22:42 celeron55 it needs to pop up a field anyway, because you can't see the field if it's where it's located normally
22:42 sapier good point
22:42 celeron55 unless you're using a huge-ass tablet
22:43 sapier as I said right now it's just for testing purposes things like that are exactly what it's supposed to reveal
22:47 celeron55 i really wonder how bored people have to be to attempt to actually play minetest on a touchscreen
22:48 celeron55 like, it's a fun tech demo, but not really more than that
22:48 sapier well I feel the control isn't that bad
22:48 celeron55 maybe it's an advertisement like "come play this on your PC"
22:48 sapier single long press to dig double click to place ... it's quite smooth
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22:51 VanessaE celeron55: apparently a lot of folks are quite content to play on their tablets
22:52 VanessaE beats the hell out of me why, a PC is infinitely easier to use - except of course for those folks who don't have a PC at all
22:54 celeron55 well i guess it might be understandable if one doesn't have a PC at all
22:54 celeron55 that's sad though
22:54 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/​downloads/Minetest-debug.apk should fix the non leaveable errormessage
22:55 sapier celeron if you wanna try the controls you could just press the singleplayer button ;-)
22:55 celeron55 i already tried them, the singleplayer works fine
22:55 sapier ok
22:56 celeron55 the FPS isn't really enjoyable though, but that's what you can expect
22:56 sapier I've got about 10-15 fps in singleplayer
22:57 sapier 5-10 on vanessae's server and 0-1 at vanessaes server spawn
22:57 VanessaE which server?
22:57 VanessaE I have 6. :P
22:57 sapier the plain vanilla
22:57 celeron55 the build has one default favourite server :P
22:58 celeron55 i can't join the server because the game crashes when joining
22:58 celeron55 maybe because i can't input a name at all, dunno
22:58 sapier :-) true but I have no idea why vanessae's server is in there :-)
22:59 VanessaE celeron55: see /msg
23:00 VanessaE heh
23:03 sapier he's playing half an hour and already found two bugs ... dissapointing ;-)
23:04 VanessaE you got your work cut out for you sapier :P
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23:14 CiaranG I feel the same way as celeron55 about the touchscreen, but don't forget there are android devices with real controllers too (I'm holding one)
23:16 RealBadAngel http://img10.allegroimg.pl/photos​/oryginal/40/09/40/59/4009405922
23:16 RealBadAngel costs less than 30usd
23:17 sapier does anyon know how to kill a messed up adb without restarting machine?
23:17 CiaranG holding this... http://jxd.hk/products.asp?id​=639&amp;selectclassid=009006
23:18 CiaranG and yeah, sapier's latest build runs great on it - aside from being forced to poke the screen to move ;)
23:18 sapier you aren't
23:18 sapier you can just attach a mouse
23:19 sapier my touchscreengui just translates screen commands to mouse/keyboard events so original control is still operational
23:19 CiaranG So I have a device I can hold in my hands, with TWO analog joysticks, two d-pads, and more other buttons that I can count
23:19 CiaranG And I put in on the table and attach a mouse to it? ;)
23:20 sapier well that's your idea not mine *smile*
23:21 CiaranG Your idea was the mouse. Mine will be a merge request to remove all those overlays from the screen and read the real controllers :)
23:21 sapier no I just said you can do this ;-) a small but significant difference ;-) ... ok not really but I'm telling it this way now :)
23:21 CiaranG unless you add support for it first, of course...
23:22 sapier I don't think there will be any changes, if those real controlers are mapped to keyboard events they will work out of box
23:23 CiaranG Analogue controllers don't map well to keyboard events
23:24 sapier in this case you'll have to write drivers for it ... the gui isn't android specific I think it's not a big deal to only create it if it's enabled by setting
23:24 sapier I already check everywhere if the pointer is null so just not creating it will do it
23:25 CiaranG Sure. And the joysticks are easily readable - one would just perfom the same function as the mouse.
23:25 CiaranG So changes yes. Small ones.
23:26 sapier true, but as I said before lets focus on the main usecases first
23:27 CiaranG Quite right. Don't let me distract you from that. :)
23:28 CiaranG Main point - I tested your build on three devices - it ran. It ran reasonably fast. It didn't crash.
23:28 sapier yes but it's quite important to have the corner cases in mind so architecture wont mess them up completely
23:28 sapier so it's a good idea to tell about them too
23:29 sapier ok I guess I found celerons crash too but I can't test it due to messed up adb and if I shutdown my pc I'm gonna go to bed
23:31 CiaranG adb kill-server && adb restart-server
23:31 sapier error: protocol fault (no status)
23:31 sapier sapier   17367  0.1  0.0      0     0 pts/0    Zl   Mär04   0:03 [adb] <defunct>
23:32 CiaranG ouch
23:32 sapier yes some of those processes you can only reboot ... happens quite often with android
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