Time  Nick         Message
01:22 dragutux     hello is there any people modding minetest ? :p
01:23 dragutux     i'm mainly thinking ogre3d render & cubes blending (to have a "smooth" appearance) :)
01:24 dragutux     tbh i have a game ongoing and i'm considerign stable voxel techs after playing with star made a bit
01:24 ShadowNinja  dragutux: If you mean C++ mods then they are writing some patches. But Ninetest uses irrlicht.
01:25 ShadowNinja  Minetest*
01:25 dragutux     i know it uses irrlicht, that part is negligible i can do it myself :) i'm more curious about polishing the cube rendering
01:26 ShadowNinja  Well, you're free to submit a pull request that adds a node smoothing option. :-)
01:26 dragutux     so yeah anyway i'm interested in rendering mods :p
01:27 dragutux     ShadowNinja, what about projects existing to see whats interesting ? :P
01:28 ShadowNinja  You can look at BlockMen's 3rd person mod.
01:28 ShadowNinja  (Forums -> Unofficial engine development)
01:35 dragutux     wait
01:35 dragutux     you mean 3rd person is a mod ?
01:36 dragutux     i'm not being ironic...
01:36 dragutux     minetest still pretty much alpha ?
18:02 rubenwardy   celeron55: Someone is asking for minetest.net translation. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8290
18:02 rubenwardy   (just to let you know, do as you will)
18:39 celeron55    rubenwardy: i might if there is enough demand
18:39 rubenwardy   I am not very linguistic, so I won't be able to help.
18:42 iqualfragile well, i would volunteer for the german translation, but i guess that one will not be a problem
18:42 celeron55    that's an issue probably; we need to find a trusted person for updating each language
18:44 kaeza        I can help with spanish if needed
18:46 rubenwardy   Huh. You could redirect people to translate.google.com when they try to access fr.minetest.net etc. Customer service!
18:46 rubenwardy   (Lol)
18:48 xyz          great idea (not)
18:48 Exio4        it is a good idea, the third user will complete the translation :D
18:49 sapier       can someone reproduce shadowninja/vanessae's bug where server sends inventoryformspecs prior init to client?
19:31 * VanessaE   peeks in and immediately hides :)
20:00 sapier       https://gist.github.com/sapier/8406393 is a workaround for clients to queue packets sent from server prior init is received ... this fixes the "lost hud" problem
20:18 ShadowNinja  dragutux: Minetest certainly isn't complete.  But what is? ;-) There will always be more to do as long as there's someone to do it.
20:20 ShadowNinja  I might add a announcement option to my server management script to work around the bug.  But it'll be hard to get a playerlist, so I'll just send that I have 1024 clients, to be safe.  ;-D
20:21 sapier       ShadowNinja: what exactly is wrong there?
20:23 ShadowNinja  sapier: It doesn't send any TCP packets at all.
20:24 sapier       did you debug it?
20:25 ShadowNinja  I ran tcpdump on it, but I didn't do anything more.  And I don't know enough about HTTPFetch or CURL to know what to do next.
20:26 sapier       what to do to reproduce it?
20:30 ShadowNinja  I simply start a server after the commit that made announcement use HTTPFetch
20:30 ShadowNinja  s/ $/./
20:37 sapier       but seems to work for others so where's the difference?
20:38 ShadowNinja  I don't know.
20:38 ShadowNinja  There doesn't seem to be any config changes or similar.
20:39 ShadowNinja  kahrl: ^ What could I be doing that's breaking it?
20:40 sapier       I guess there isn't a error message?
20:40 sapier       you know httpfetch was broken for some commits after the thread cleanup? your passt the commit that fixed it again?
21:41 sapier1      you're sure it doesn't happen with non fixed client too?
21:42 celeron55    i think i'll try if blocking chinese visitors from the blog would help
21:42 celeron55    it's not like they have any business there anyway
21:45 VanessaE     sapier: and players are starting to come up with 2d "the green guy" player skins again - and not just for me, either.
21:45 VanessaE     possible artifact of the UDP fixes code?
21:45 VanessaE     (rather than your latest patch I mean)
21:46 sapier1      actually if the model info is sent prior client intit this could be effect too
21:49 sapier1      too many users?
21:49 xyz          celeron55: block them why exactly?
21:50 celeron55    xyz: my wimpy c55.me server can't really sustain a load like this for long periods
21:50 VanessaE     sapier1: what?
21:50 sapier1      I couldn't login with "too many users" (one time)
21:50 VanessaE     wow
21:50 VanessaE     I better up the limit
21:50 celeron55    or it can, but it's all taken away from the resources that i use for myseelf
21:52 xyz          ugh
21:52 xyz          it's like page per 5 seconds
21:52 celeron55    they should go bullying minetest.net instead, that one has bandwidth and cpu for anything
21:52 xyz          well whatever, your domain your rules
21:52 sapier1      too many users again :-)
21:52 sapier1      but I couldn't reproduce the bug you described by now
21:53 VanessaE     ok, adjusted.
21:53 VanessaE     max set to 50 :)
21:53 celeron55    xyz: maybe you won't believe, but with that load, wordpress causes the poor pentium 4's fan to start spinning up and down very annoyingly
21:54 sapier1      what was it before?
21:54 VanessaE     it was at the default of 15.
21:54 celeron55    load average: 0.53, 0.45, 0.38 <- that's what it was getting (it's a single-core machine)
21:54 xyz          didn't know about the "hardware"
21:55 xyz          makes sense then
21:55 celeron55    yeah, "hardware"
21:55 celeron55    more like "what the fuck is this antique shit"
21:55 sapier1      stoneageware :-)
21:56 sapier1      p4 with or without hyperthreading? ;-)
21:56 celeron55    with!
21:56 celeron55    with THREE GIGAHERTZ!
21:56 sapier1      :-) wow the cooking device
21:56 celeron55    it's almost as fast as my mobile phone at like 85W TDP
21:56 VanessaE     USE _ALL_ THE GIGAHERTZ!
21:57 * Taoki      still hopes to see the VBO patch adapted to latest Minetest and included sometime. Been a while since there was any news on that last time...
21:57 sapier1      vanessae did your server handle 16 players prior patching?
21:57 sapier1      wait it's a new server so we can't compare
21:57 VanessaE     sapier1: you mean before the big UDP fixes patches?
21:58 VanessaE     no.  not a chance in hell, even with this server.
21:59 sapier1      ok so I guess the regressions are at least the lesser problem
21:59 VanessaE     yeah
21:59 VanessaE     that HUD problem and even the map loading glitch are both really pretty minor compared to the previous issues.
22:00 sapier1      of course they have to be fixed .. question is do we add the client side workaround or wait for propper server side fix ... what do others think about this issue?
22:02 VanessaE     I'd say do it server-side.
22:02 VanessaE     getting users to fix their clients tends to be met with... resistance.
22:02 sapier1      serverside may introduce more bugs prior fixing it completely and is quite a lot to implement
22:02 VanessaE     true
22:04 VanessaE     inb4 proller complains that it lags.
22:05 sapier1      anyone else?
22:18 sapier1      I can see world loading slow at -1300 with all those players online but it loads
22:19 VanessaE     there's certainly plenty of bandwidth available.  CPU is hovering close to 100% now
22:19 VanessaE     but the server is responding to commands instantly
22:19 VanessaE     11 users online
22:20 VanessaE     actually, strike that, it's varying quite widely, as low as 20, as high as 90.
22:20 ShadowNinja  sapier1: Fix #1099!  :-)
22:20 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1099 -- Texture packs with "[" in the name causes the Texture Packs menu to not draw.
22:22 sapier1      why should someone use [ in texturepack name?
22:23 sapier1      I wonder what uses cpu power
22:24 VanessaE     oh some mod I'm sure.  pipeworks or technic, most likely.
22:25 VanessaE     and mapgen stuff whenever that needs to kick in
22:25 sapier1      maybe if we added threadnames to jthread we could see the those in top -H
22:25 VanessaE     that would be nice for sure
22:33 ShadowNinja  I tried formspec_table, and it works, but it seems like such a huge abuse of the formspec system...
22:35 ShadowNinja  I'll push vertical particles in a minute unless there are objections.
22:37 kahrl        ShadowNinja: in what way is it an abuse?
22:39 ShadowNinja  kahrl: This seems repetitive: https://github.com/kahrl/tabletest/blob/master/init.lua#L141
22:39 ShadowNinja  And it just seems so klunky and hard to read.
22:40 kahrl        well, that example is not how you'd normally use it
22:41 kahrl        one indent column should normally be enough
22:41 kahrl        I added that example in order to test those cases
22:41 ShadowNinja  I also think that the event should be sent exploded, not as a string.
22:42 kahrl        it should but afaik that's not possible with the current protocol and API
22:43 kahrl        any suggestions how to make it easier to read?
22:43 kahrl        the formspecs, that is
22:43 sapier1      you could write some classlike wrapper around it ;-) but that'd be somehow strange
22:44 sapier1      I doubt it can be done in formspec style in lot mor simpler way
22:45 ShadowNinja  I'd like formspecs to be table-based.  They would be sent over the network serialized using minetest.serialize, JSON, marshal, or something similar.
22:45 sapier1      implement something sane instead of formspec if you already do that much work
22:46 kahrl        I think the simple (probably most typical) cases such as https://github.com/kahrl/tabletest/blob/master/init.lua#L69 are reasonably easy to read
22:47 kahrl        anything more complex will probably be generated at runtime anyway
22:50 ShadowNinja  I don't understand what most of that means.  I have to read the docs to find out.  Having things like "width = 5" is more verbose, but you can understand it without having seen a formspec before.
22:52 kahrl        yeah, but that's a concern for any old formspec field
22:54 kahrl        formspec_table has more named options than other formspec fields, actually
22:54 kahrl        (everything in tableoptions and tablecolumns)
22:55 kahrl        that reminds me that I didn't push my latest changes to tabletest (after I removed the ..._alpha options from the pull request)
22:55 ShadowNinja  Formspecs would look something like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747455/
22:56 kahrl        why absolute positioning?
22:56 ShadowNinja  And you could set the size directly in the formspec table, instead of as a entry in it, as Lua allows mixing string and integer keys.
22:57 ShadowNinja  What would you suggest?  Something HTML-like?
22:58 kahrl        not sure what that encompasses but yes, some automatic layout system
22:58 kahrl        perhaps you could choose between different layouts e.g. grid, flowing, manual
23:01 ShadowNinja  Something like this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747476/
23:02 kahrl        yep
23:03 ShadowNinja  The elements field would allow for any element(within reason), a string would be equivalent to {type="text", text="<Text>"}
23:05 kahrl        all this seems like a good idea, but outside the scope of formspec_table, do you think you'll merge it anyway?
23:06 kahrl        the code should be extensible enough to support mixed-type columns in the future, I believe
23:07 kahrl        (in GUITable, the type is stored per-cell, not per-column, and columns can have different left and right edges in each row)
23:07 ShadowNinja  Yes, it seems good enough to merge, it can't really be done in a better way with the current system.
23:12 ShadowNinja  I removed two trailing newlines in the doc.  Any opposition to merging?
23:13 kahrl        I'll add a tutorial to the dev wiki (probably wednesday evening / thursday)
23:14 ShadowNinja  Alright.  And see if you can add support for it to the main menu.
23:14 adriana1     hello
23:15 ShadowNinja  Hello, adriana1.
23:16 adriana1     as are
23:17 adriana1     shadowninja
23:18 ShadowNinja  What do you need?
23:19 adriana1     What do you need?
23:19 adriana1     nothing
23:20 ShadowNinja  adriana1: This channel is only for discussion about Minetest engine development.  You may want #minetest.
23:21 ShadowNinja  I particularly would like the formspec table in the configure menu(I use modpacks and symlinks for organization and deduplication) and the server list(ICONS! :-D ).
23:22 kahrl        those are what I based the feature set on ;)
23:23 adriana1     okei ShadowNinja:
23:23 kahrl        image column for the server icons
23:23 kahrl        (and for checkboxes)
23:23 kahrl        indent/tree column for the tree of mods and modpacks
23:26 ShadowNinja  hmmmm: Can you document this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a358c040f2d6d1fe6825121bf8ab57ceb5865cc9
23:28 ShadowNinja  hmmmm: And see if you can fix #1061.
23:29 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1061 -- Crash with no error message with `minetest.place_schematic` and table schematic specifier.
23:30 ShadowNinja  hmmmm: Any comments on #706? It looks OK to me.
23:30 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/706 -- HUD Bugfix by blue42u
23:33 ShadowNinja  Comments on this?  It should close a number of issues... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747598/
23:34 kahrl        ShadowNinja: seems to be incomplete without a call to minetest.register_item_raw
23:38 ShadowNinja  kahrl: How's this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747632/
23:43 ShadowNinja  Should type redefinition be allowed?
23:44 VanessaE     ShadowNinja: node re-definition routine in lieu of clone_node?  then yes, absolutely.
23:45 kahrl        ShadowNinja: that version should work, yeah I"m not sure about type redefinition
23:45 kahrl        I think it's best if that's disallowed
23:46 VanessaE     why?
23:47 VanessaE     if by "type" you mean changing a field from e.g. string to table
23:47 kahrl        it could be allowed, but then you need to make sure all the containers for the different types are updated
23:47 kahrl        no, type as in "node" "tool" "craftitem"
23:47 VanessaE     OH
23:47 VanessaE     naw
23:47 VanessaE     I see no reason for THAT
23:48 kahrl        ShadowNinja: perhaps append the item name to the error msesage in line 4
23:48 VanessaE     oh, "redefine a item" <-- "an item"
23:51 ShadowNinja  How's this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747670/
23:52 VanessaE     wait,
23:52 VanessaE     why do you need a name field if it's already specified in the redefinition table?
23:52 ShadowNinja  (Typo fixed)
23:53 VanessaE     shouldn't you be taking that from redefinition.name anyway?
23:53 ShadowNinja  VanessaE: minetest.register_item_raw accepts only one argument, a table.  One of those fields is the name.
23:53 VanessaE     yes,
23:54 ShadowNinja  The minetest.register_* functions take the name seperately though.
23:54 VanessaE     but if you are specifying a node def, you already have the name in there.  shouldn't you be extracting the name from the def and using that for *both* places that is' needed?
23:54 VanessaE     it's*
23:54 VanessaE     it just seems a little redundant, that's all