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dragutux |
hello is there any people modding minetest ? :p |
| 01:23 |
dragutux |
i'm mainly thinking ogre3d render & cubes blending (to have a "smooth" appearance) :) |
| 01:24 |
dragutux |
tbh i have a game ongoing and i'm considerign stable voxel techs after playing with star made a bit |
| 01:24 |
ShadowNinja |
dragutux: If you mean C++ mods then they are writing some patches. But Ninetest uses irrlicht. |
| 01:25 |
ShadowNinja |
Minetest* |
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dragutux |
i know it uses irrlicht, that part is negligible i can do it myself :) i'm more curious about polishing the cube rendering |
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ShadowNinja |
Well, you're free to submit a pull request that adds a node smoothing option. :-) |
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dragutux |
so yeah anyway i'm interested in rendering mods :p |
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dragutux |
ShadowNinja, what about projects existing to see whats interesting ? :P |
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ShadowNinja |
You can look at BlockMen's 3rd person mod. |
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ShadowNinja |
(Forums -> Unofficial engine development) |
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dragutux |
wait |
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dragutux |
you mean 3rd person is a mod ? |
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dragutux |
i'm not being ironic... |
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dragutux |
minetest still pretty much alpha ? |
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rubenwardy |
celeron55: Someone is asking for minetest.net translation. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8290 |
| 18:02 |
rubenwardy |
(just to let you know, do as you will) |
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celeron55 |
rubenwardy: i might if there is enough demand |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
I am not very linguistic, so I won't be able to help. |
| 18:42 |
iqualfragile |
well, i would volunteer for the german translation, but i guess that one will not be a problem |
| 18:42 |
celeron55 |
that's an issue probably; we need to find a trusted person for updating each language |
| 18:44 |
kaeza |
I can help with spanish if needed |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
Huh. You could redirect people to translate.google.com when they try to access fr.minetest.net etc. Customer service! |
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rubenwardy |
(Lol) |
| 18:48 |
xyz |
great idea (not) |
| 18:48 |
Exio4 |
it is a good idea, the third user will complete the translation :D |
| 18:49 |
sapier |
can someone reproduce shadowninja/vanessae's bug where server sends inventoryformspecs prior init to client? |
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* VanessaE |
peeks in and immediately hides :) |
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sapier |
https://gist.github.com/sapier/8406393 is a workaround for clients to queue packets sent from server prior init is received ... this fixes the "lost hud" problem |
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ShadowNinja |
dragutux: Minetest certainly isn't complete. But what is? ;-) There will always be more to do as long as there's someone to do it. |
| 20:20 |
ShadowNinja |
I might add a announcement option to my server management script to work around the bug. But it'll be hard to get a playerlist, so I'll just send that I have 1024 clients, to be safe. ;-D |
| 20:21 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: what exactly is wrong there? |
| 20:23 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: It doesn't send any TCP packets at all. |
| 20:24 |
sapier |
did you debug it? |
| 20:25 |
ShadowNinja |
I ran tcpdump on it, but I didn't do anything more. And I don't know enough about HTTPFetch or CURL to know what to do next. |
| 20:26 |
sapier |
what to do to reproduce it? |
| 20:30 |
ShadowNinja |
I simply start a server after the commit that made announcement use HTTPFetch |
| 20:30 |
ShadowNinja |
s/ $/./ |
| 20:37 |
sapier |
but seems to work for others so where's the difference? |
| 20:38 |
ShadowNinja |
I don't know. |
| 20:38 |
ShadowNinja |
There doesn't seem to be any config changes or similar. |
| 20:39 |
ShadowNinja |
kahrl: ^ What could I be doing that's breaking it? |
| 20:40 |
sapier |
I guess there isn't a error message? |
| 20:40 |
sapier |
you know httpfetch was broken for some commits after the thread cleanup? your passt the commit that fixed it again? |
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Topic for #minetest-dev is now Minetest core development and maintenance. Chit-chat goes to #minetest. Consider this instead of /msg celeron55. http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/ http://dev.minetest.net/ |
| 21:41 |
sapier1 |
you're sure it doesn't happen with non fixed client too? |
| 21:42 |
celeron55 |
i think i'll try if blocking chinese visitors from the blog would help |
| 21:42 |
celeron55 |
it's not like they have any business there anyway |
| 21:45 |
VanessaE |
sapier: and players are starting to come up with 2d "the green guy" player skins again - and not just for me, either. |
| 21:45 |
VanessaE |
possible artifact of the UDP fixes code? |
| 21:45 |
VanessaE |
(rather than your latest patch I mean) |
| 21:46 |
sapier1 |
actually if the model info is sent prior client intit this could be effect too |
| 21:49 |
sapier1 |
too many users? |
| 21:49 |
xyz |
celeron55: block them why exactly? |
| 21:50 |
celeron55 |
xyz: my wimpy c55.me server can't really sustain a load like this for long periods |
| 21:50 |
VanessaE |
sapier1: what? |
| 21:50 |
sapier1 |
I couldn't login with "too many users" (one time) |
| 21:50 |
VanessaE |
wow |
| 21:50 |
VanessaE |
I better up the limit |
| 21:50 |
celeron55 |
or it can, but it's all taken away from the resources that i use for myseelf |
| 21:52 |
xyz |
ugh |
| 21:52 |
xyz |
it's like page per 5 seconds |
| 21:52 |
celeron55 |
they should go bullying minetest.net instead, that one has bandwidth and cpu for anything |
| 21:52 |
xyz |
well whatever, your domain your rules |
| 21:52 |
sapier1 |
too many users again :-) |
| 21:52 |
sapier1 |
but I couldn't reproduce the bug you described by now |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
ok, adjusted. |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
max set to 50 :) |
| 21:53 |
celeron55 |
xyz: maybe you won't believe, but with that load, wordpress causes the poor pentium 4's fan to start spinning up and down very annoyingly |
| 21:54 |
sapier1 |
what was it before? |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
it was at the default of 15. |
| 21:54 |
celeron55 |
load average: 0.53, 0.45, 0.38 <- that's what it was getting (it's a single-core machine) |
| 21:54 |
xyz |
didn't know about the "hardware" |
| 21:55 |
xyz |
makes sense then |
| 21:55 |
celeron55 |
yeah, "hardware" |
| 21:55 |
celeron55 |
more like "what the fuck is this antique shit" |
| 21:55 |
sapier1 |
stoneageware :-) |
| 21:56 |
sapier1 |
p4 with or without hyperthreading? ;-) |
| 21:56 |
celeron55 |
with! |
| 21:56 |
celeron55 |
with THREE GIGAHERTZ! |
| 21:56 |
sapier1 |
:-) wow the cooking device |
| 21:56 |
celeron55 |
it's almost as fast as my mobile phone at like 85W TDP |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
USE _ALL_ THE GIGAHERTZ! |
| 21:57 |
* Taoki |
still hopes to see the VBO patch adapted to latest Minetest and included sometime. Been a while since there was any news on that last time... |
| 21:57 |
sapier1 |
vanessae did your server handle 16 players prior patching? |
| 21:57 |
sapier1 |
wait it's a new server so we can't compare |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
sapier1: you mean before the big UDP fixes patches? |
| 21:58 |
VanessaE |
no. not a chance in hell, even with this server. |
| 21:59 |
sapier1 |
ok so I guess the regressions are at least the lesser problem |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
that HUD problem and even the map loading glitch are both really pretty minor compared to the previous issues. |
| 22:00 |
sapier1 |
of course they have to be fixed .. question is do we add the client side workaround or wait for propper server side fix ... what do others think about this issue? |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
I'd say do it server-side. |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
getting users to fix their clients tends to be met with... resistance. |
| 22:02 |
sapier1 |
serverside may introduce more bugs prior fixing it completely and is quite a lot to implement |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
inb4 proller complains that it lags. |
| 22:05 |
sapier1 |
anyone else? |
| 22:18 |
sapier1 |
I can see world loading slow at -1300 with all those players online but it loads |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
there's certainly plenty of bandwidth available. CPU is hovering close to 100% now |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
but the server is responding to commands instantly |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
11 users online |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
actually, strike that, it's varying quite widely, as low as 20, as high as 90. |
| 22:20 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier1: Fix #1099! :-) |
| 22:20 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1099 -- Texture packs with "[" in the name causes the Texture Packs menu to not draw. |
| 22:22 |
sapier1 |
why should someone use [ in texturepack name? |
| 22:23 |
sapier1 |
I wonder what uses cpu power |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
oh some mod I'm sure. pipeworks or technic, most likely. |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
and mapgen stuff whenever that needs to kick in |
| 22:25 |
sapier1 |
maybe if we added threadnames to jthread we could see the those in top -H |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
that would be nice for sure |
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| 22:33 |
ShadowNinja |
I tried formspec_table, and it works, but it seems like such a huge abuse of the formspec system... |
| 22:35 |
ShadowNinja |
I'll push vertical particles in a minute unless there are objections. |
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kahrl |
ShadowNinja: in what way is it an abuse? |
| 22:39 |
ShadowNinja |
kahrl: This seems repetitive: https://github.com/kahrl/tabletest/blob/master/init.lua#L141 |
| 22:39 |
ShadowNinja |
And it just seems so klunky and hard to read. |
| 22:40 |
kahrl |
well, that example is not how you'd normally use it |
| 22:41 |
kahrl |
one indent column should normally be enough |
| 22:41 |
kahrl |
I added that example in order to test those cases |
| 22:41 |
ShadowNinja |
I also think that the event should be sent exploded, not as a string. |
| 22:42 |
kahrl |
it should but afaik that's not possible with the current protocol and API |
| 22:43 |
kahrl |
any suggestions how to make it easier to read? |
| 22:43 |
kahrl |
the formspecs, that is |
| 22:43 |
sapier1 |
you could write some classlike wrapper around it ;-) but that'd be somehow strange |
| 22:44 |
sapier1 |
I doubt it can be done in formspec style in lot mor simpler way |
| 22:45 |
ShadowNinja |
I'd like formspecs to be table-based. They would be sent over the network serialized using minetest.serialize, JSON, marshal, or something similar. |
| 22:45 |
sapier1 |
implement something sane instead of formspec if you already do that much work |
| 22:46 |
kahrl |
I think the simple (probably most typical) cases such as https://github.com/kahrl/tabletest/blob/master/init.lua#L69 are reasonably easy to read |
| 22:47 |
kahrl |
anything more complex will probably be generated at runtime anyway |
| 22:50 |
ShadowNinja |
I don't understand what most of that means. I have to read the docs to find out. Having things like "width = 5" is more verbose, but you can understand it without having seen a formspec before. |
| 22:52 |
kahrl |
yeah, but that's a concern for any old formspec field |
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| 22:54 |
kahrl |
formspec_table has more named options than other formspec fields, actually |
| 22:54 |
kahrl |
(everything in tableoptions and tablecolumns) |
| 22:55 |
kahrl |
that reminds me that I didn't push my latest changes to tabletest (after I removed the ..._alpha options from the pull request) |
| 22:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Formspecs would look something like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747455/ |
| 22:56 |
kahrl |
why absolute positioning? |
| 22:56 |
ShadowNinja |
And you could set the size directly in the formspec table, instead of as a entry in it, as Lua allows mixing string and integer keys. |
| 22:57 |
ShadowNinja |
What would you suggest? Something HTML-like? |
| 22:58 |
kahrl |
not sure what that encompasses but yes, some automatic layout system |
| 22:58 |
kahrl |
perhaps you could choose between different layouts e.g. grid, flowing, manual |
| 23:01 |
ShadowNinja |
Something like this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747476/ |
| 23:02 |
kahrl |
yep |
| 23:03 |
ShadowNinja |
The elements field would allow for any element(within reason), a string would be equivalent to {type="text", text="<Text>"} |
| 23:05 |
kahrl |
all this seems like a good idea, but outside the scope of formspec_table, do you think you'll merge it anyway? |
| 23:06 |
kahrl |
the code should be extensible enough to support mixed-type columns in the future, I believe |
| 23:07 |
kahrl |
(in GUITable, the type is stored per-cell, not per-column, and columns can have different left and right edges in each row) |
| 23:07 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, it seems good enough to merge, it can't really be done in a better way with the current system. |
| 23:12 |
ShadowNinja |
I removed two trailing newlines in the doc. Any opposition to merging? |
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kahrl |
I'll add a tutorial to the dev wiki (probably wednesday evening / thursday) |
| 23:14 |
ShadowNinja |
Alright. And see if you can add support for it to the main menu. |
| 23:14 |
adriana1 |
hello |
| 23:15 |
ShadowNinja |
Hello, adriana1. |
| 23:16 |
adriana1 |
as are |
| 23:17 |
adriana1 |
shadowninja |
| 23:18 |
ShadowNinja |
What do you need? |
| 23:19 |
adriana1 |
What do you need? |
| 23:19 |
adriana1 |
nothing |
| 23:20 |
ShadowNinja |
adriana1: This channel is only for discussion about Minetest engine development. You may want #minetest. |
| 23:21 |
ShadowNinja |
I particularly would like the formspec table in the configure menu(I use modpacks and symlinks for organization and deduplication) and the server list(ICONS! :-D ). |
| 23:22 |
kahrl |
those are what I based the feature set on ;) |
| 23:23 |
adriana1 |
okei ShadowNinja: |
| 23:23 |
kahrl |
image column for the server icons |
| 23:23 |
kahrl |
(and for checkboxes) |
| 23:23 |
kahrl |
indent/tree column for the tree of mods and modpacks |
| 23:26 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: Can you document this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a358c040f2d6d1fe6825121bf8ab57ceb5865cc9 |
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ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: And see if you can fix #1061. |
| 23:29 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1061 -- Crash with no error message with `minetest.place_schematic` and table schematic specifier. |
| 23:30 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: Any comments on #706? It looks OK to me. |
| 23:30 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/706 -- HUD Bugfix by blue42u |
| 23:33 |
ShadowNinja |
Comments on this? It should close a number of issues... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747598/ |
| 23:34 |
kahrl |
ShadowNinja: seems to be incomplete without a call to minetest.register_item_raw |
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| 23:38 |
ShadowNinja |
kahrl: How's this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747632/ |
| 23:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Should type redefinition be allowed? |
| 23:44 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: node re-definition routine in lieu of clone_node? then yes, absolutely. |
| 23:45 |
kahrl |
ShadowNinja: that version should work, yeah I"m not sure about type redefinition |
| 23:45 |
kahrl |
I think it's best if that's disallowed |
| 23:46 |
VanessaE |
why? |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
if by "type" you mean changing a field from e.g. string to table |
| 23:47 |
kahrl |
it could be allowed, but then you need to make sure all the containers for the different types are updated |
| 23:47 |
kahrl |
no, type as in "node" "tool" "craftitem" |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
OH |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
naw |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
I see no reason for THAT |
| 23:48 |
kahrl |
ShadowNinja: perhaps append the item name to the error msesage in line 4 |
| 23:48 |
VanessaE |
oh, "redefine a item" <-- "an item" |
| 23:51 |
ShadowNinja |
How's this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6747670/ |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
wait, |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
why do you need a name field if it's already specified in the redefinition table? |
| 23:52 |
ShadowNinja |
(Typo fixed) |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
shouldn't you be taking that from redefinition.name anyway? |
| 23:53 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: minetest.register_item_raw accepts only one argument, a table. One of those fields is the name. |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
yes, |
| 23:54 |
ShadowNinja |
The minetest.register_* functions take the name seperately though. |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
but if you are specifying a node def, you already have the name in there. shouldn't you be extracting the name from the def and using that for *both* places that is' needed? |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
it's* |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
it just seems a little redundant, that's all |
