| Time |
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| 00:05 |
kahrl |
about the status of httpfetch: |
| 00:05 |
kahrl |
OldCoder successfully tested the remote_media part of it |
| 00:06 |
kahrl |
I'm also pretty confident that that part works |
| 00:06 |
kahrl |
(can't rule out bugs of course, as always) |
| 00:07 |
kahrl |
this also means the httpfetch core should work fine, and the lua api on top of it is thin enough that it should be OK as well |
| 00:07 |
kahrl |
I tested the serverlist fetching several times and had no problems with it |
| 00:08 |
kahrl |
now about the problems: |
| 00:08 |
kahrl |
1. it uses CURLOPT_PROTOCOLS which is a recent enough addition that the officially recommended binary curl build on windows does not contain it |
| 00:09 |
kahrl |
(the offending lines could just be removed, though) |
| 00:09 |
kahrl |
2. not all uses of curl have been converted to httpfetch - but this could be done later (this means somewhat ugly code in the meantime) |
| 00:11 |
kahrl |
3. as sapier noted, it does not provide generic asynchronous calls, it just narrow-mindedly does http |
| 00:12 |
kahrl |
(it also probably conflicts with his async events pull #977, at least the serverlist part) |
| 00:14 |
kahrl |
4. it adds a few more or less complex subsystems (httpfetch core, ClientMediaDownloader) |
| 00:19 |
kahrl |
to conclude, it might actually be feasible to merge it with only minor modifications |
| 00:19 |
ShadowNinja |
What do you think of changing README.txt to README.md? That way GitHub will parse it as Markdown, and it is already very close to markdown. |
| 00:19 |
kahrl |
not sure if before or after 0.4.8 |
| 00:21 |
ShadowNinja |
kahrl: ^? |
| 00:21 |
kahrl |
ShadowNinja: well .txt has the major advantage that windows users can simply click it |
| 00:23 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm, but it's more readable on GitHub. I don't think most windows users are going to be reading it though. And thost that do will likely know enough to open it with notepad or whatever teir prefered editor is. |
| 00:23 |
ShadowNinja |
their* |
| 00:23 |
ShadowNinja |
Of course if we could tell GitHub to parse /README.txt as Markdown... |
| 00:24 |
kahrl |
I don't really find the current version unreadable on github |
| 00:24 |
ShadowNinja |
It isn't unreadable, but the Markdown version is easier. |
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| 00:30 |
Exio4 |
the console thingy, i fidn't keep it going because copypaste support |
| 00:30 |
Exio4 |
didn't* |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
the console has another problem |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
under linux, it does not properly release mouse focus. |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
e.g. the mouse still pans/pitches while the console is open. |
| 00:31 |
Exio4 |
hmm? |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
this is kinda cumbersom |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
try it. press F10 and move the mouse around :) |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
in windows, it releases the mouse focus so you can highlight/copy/paste |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
or so I was told. |
| 00:32 |
kahrl |
I don't remember coding that... |
| 00:32 |
Exio4 |
neither i saw code for thzt |
| 00:33 |
Exio4 |
i thought it was a feature |
| 00:33 |
kahrl |
it should be changed if copy/paste support is to be added |
| 00:33 |
Exio4 |
true |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
hm, it does the same in wine. how is it that people are able to copy&paste from it then? |
| 00:33 |
kahrl |
they're lying |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
I'd call a claim a lie if it didn't also come with the actual paste :P |
| 00:34 |
Exio4 |
they can't copy |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
still, you can't shift-arrows to select either |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
so F10 is impossible to copy out of. |
| 00:36 |
Exio4 |
i was going to implement the ctrl-v support at first, bevause irrlicht sucks on linux, wasn't able to try if working :( |
| 00:36 |
Exio4 |
because* |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
and by extension you cannot copy&paste within the F10 drop-down either. e.g. write part of a command, copy it to the clipboard, then finish writing it so you can paste it again later |
| 00:36 |
Exio4 |
can't you? |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
pilzadam will tell you copy&pase works on linux if you get KDE's Klipper involved, but that doesn't help the other 99% of the linux userbase :P |
| 00:37 |
Exio4 |
99.9% |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
nope, you can't highlight in the F10 console, by any means, either in Linux native client or under wine. |
| 00:38 |
Exio4 |
i was able to copypaste using vbox+wxp as clipboard manager too |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
it needs to support the X10 highlight-to-copy/middle-click-to-paste method also. |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
er X11 |
| 00:42 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: You were able to paste in the old/current chat box? |
| 00:42 |
ShadowNinja |
I can't copy or paste to or from anything in Minetest on Linux. |
| 00:43 |
Exio4 |
it works under/on windows |
| 00:43 |
Exio4 |
irrlicht the problem |
| 00:43 |
Exio4 |
is* |
| 00:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, I know that much. |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: I can copy out and paste into it in wine, but I can only copy out in linux native. and only with ctrl-c/ctrl-v |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
sometimes if you try to paste into minetest, the program you copied from will crash. |
| 00:44 |
Exio4 |
tf? |
| 00:44 |
ShadowNinja |
Someone should write a patch for irrlicht ;-) |
| 00:45 |
ShadowNinja |
Exio4: Yep, I heard of that too. |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
tf? |
| 00:45 |
Exio4 |
how is that even possible |
| 00:45 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: the fuck? |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
I just now tested it with current git on both wine and linux native. |
| 00:46 |
VanessaE |
I can hit 't' or '/', highlight with mouse or keyboard, copy, and then paste into e.g. here from either wine or linux native. |
| 00:46 |
VanessaE |
but only wine allows me to paste into the T / dialog. |
| 00:46 |
VanessaE |
other dialogs behaved similarly last time I tried. |
| 00:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Oh, Minetest -> Minetest copy-paste works. |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
yes, that always seems to work within a given session. |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
if I copied from MT, I can paste it back. |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
but not if I copied from e.g. IRC or my terminal |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
U can even copy ans paste between the wine and the linux native client in either direction. |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
s/U/I/ |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
s/ans/and/ |
| 00:49 |
troller |
ShadowNinja, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/979/files |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
keyboard or mouse highlight, as long as I use ctrl-C/ctrl-V to perform the actual copy&paste. |
| 00:52 |
ShadowNinja |
troller: Looks good. |
| 00:53 |
troller |
with super-auto load any |
| 00:53 |
troller |
will commit |
| 00:53 |
ShadowNinja |
troller: But squash it. |
| 00:53 |
troller |
ofcource |
| 00:53 |
ShadowNinja |
troller: Or better yet, just use --amend. |
| 00:54 |
troller |
i have git shortcut |
| 00:54 |
troller |
g upb |
| 00:54 |
ShadowNinja |
I know, I have seen your .gitconfig. |
| 01:03 |
troller |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/895/files - now with breaked abms processing (if took to much time) |
| 01:18 |
ShadowNinja |
troller: Fix your git E-mail to match one of your GitHub E-mails. |
| 01:19 |
ShadowNinja |
troller: And use "git commit --amend" in pull requests. It means no squashing later. |
| 01:20 |
troller |
oops, mail fixed |
| 01:20 |
troller |
I'm afraid any -- git params ;) |
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| 05:14 |
ShadowNinja |
Does Settings support things like \# String with spaces, hashmarks, and \= equals signs = It's value? |
| 05:32 |
ShadowNinja |
Warr1024 mentioned that leaves aren't growing on trees spawned via saplings anymore. Looking at the code nore appears to have used a seperate VoxelArea in a very incoreect way. He also has things like yy and y both being vars. |
| 05:32 |
ShadowNinja |
I will try to rewrite this and fix it, but I think schematics are best. |
| 05:33 |
VanessaE |
cy1 mentioned that he was seeing a similar artifact on my server also. |
| 05:33 |
ShadowNinja |
They have a probability per-node, apparently PilzTest sets the probability to 100% for all nodes. |
| 05:33 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: take the "beech" trees model from moretrees, size it down a tad. should be suitable for the default tree. |
| 05:34 |
VanessaE |
schematics won't work because they have no randomness I guess. |
| 05:34 |
VanessaE |
(no shape randomness I mean) |
| 05:35 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: There is the issue of speed. L-Systems are fast enough for saplings, but not for mapgen. |
| 05:35 |
VanessaE |
true,. |
| 05:35 |
VanessaE |
good point on that. |
| 05:35 |
ShadowNinja |
Of course best to just fix L-Systems... |
| 05:35 |
VanessaE |
the issue there apparently is the method used for lighting the trees. |
| 05:37 |
ShadowNinja |
Perhaps hmmmm is experienced enough with lighting to fix that. |
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ShadowNinja |
Any agreement on SamII+Cape? A number of servers have implemented it, but nobody has merged it yet... |
| 05:55 |
VanessaE |
I use SamII but not the model with the cape |
| 05:55 |
VanessaE |
it's a 1000% improvement over Sam I, for sure. |
| 05:56 |
VanessaE |
imho the cape, Sam-II skin, and Stu's improved articulation model should be made the defaults. |
| 05:56 |
VanessaE |
(the one with knees/elbows, but not the wield3d version as that's a bit buggy) |
| 05:59 |
ShadowNinja |
But I need approval from another dev and they are mostly away now I believe. And anyway I had better get going. Night. |
| 06:00 |
VanessaE |
yep I know. just pointing it out. |
| 06:00 |
VanessaE |
night. |
| 06:04 |
VanessaE |
I'm out too. |
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| 09:01 |
troller |
https://github.com/proller/minetest/commit/f010e1fc0e6d25c834f7809212e6c4b31da68fdf |
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celeron55 |
I'm strictly against README.md; it's very narrow-mindedly github-only |
| 09:45 |
thexyz |
markdown is github only? |
| 09:47 |
thexyz |
and that readme.md isn't even valid markdown, by the way |
| 09:48 |
celeron55 |
it's github-only in practice |
| 09:48 |
celeron55 |
i don't care about ideologies in here |
| 09:49 |
thexyz |
oh, I see |
| 09:49 |
thexyz |
and what's the problem with it? |
| 10:19 |
celeron55 |
the problem is that most people read it in a cloned repo or a downloaded source |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
and in there the markup means nothing and is just in the way |
| 10:20 |
thexyz |
it's not "in the way", it reads exactly as your README.txt |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
(or a final distribution) |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
why can't github be set to show it with the markup even while it's .txt? |
| 10:20 |
thexyz |
this is one of the points of Markdown |
| 10:20 |
lanxu |
Well, just don't use the "special" markdown. Lists and such work nicely with and without github rendering |
| 10:21 |
thexyz |
> Readability, however, is emphasized above all else. A Markdown-formatted document should be publishable as-is, as plain text, without looking like it’s been marked up with tags or formatting instructions. |
| 10:21 |
celeron55 |
it just annoys people when they have to select a text editor from a list of 100 other programs |
| 10:21 |
celeron55 |
for opening it |
| 10:22 |
celeron55 |
on the other hand, it would annoy nobody if github had a checkbox for formatting it regardless of extension |
| 10:22 |
thexyz |
on windows? perhaps; on any linux distribution it will open in some text editor |
| 10:23 |
lanxu |
Atleast Bitbucket shows readme.txt or README. I thought github does that too... |
| 10:27 |
celeron55 |
i guess it can be tried; but if we get complaints, it will be changed back |
| 10:29 |
thexyz |
sure, complaints |
| 10:29 |
celeron55 |
what? |
| 10:30 |
thexyz |
why the hell would anyone complain about markdown? just for the sake of complaining |
| 10:30 |
celeron55 |
not for markdown, but for .md |
| 10:30 |
thexyz |
I'll fix that README.md if no one is against it https://gist.github.com/xyzz/e635c228e131b2afcbe4 |
| 10:33 |
thexyz |
I don't understand why would anyone prefer .txt over .md; on the other hand, the advantages of using .md can be clearly seen — i.e. text editors can highlight markdown syntax, various tools (github, yea) can support its rendering |
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| 14:10 |
EvergreenTree |
I know I keep asking, but why can't VanessaE's lib_6d be merged? Is it because it's in its own file? |
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| 15:33 |
troller |
who have access to http://minetest.net/servers ? change <div id="servers_table"></div> to <div id="servers_list"></div> |
| 15:35 |
troller |
or output:'#servers_table' |
| 15:43 |
celeron55 |
umm... changed it to servers_list and nothing happened |
| 15:54 |
troller |
oops, -> server_list |
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celeron55 |
it still bugs the layout |
| 16:05 |
troller |
yes, need to find correct css hiding lihe height:0 |
| 16:05 |
troller |
like |
| 16:07 |
troller |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/895/files - best patch of year nomination |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
EvergreenTree: I believe the intent is to merge it at some point, but it is not a separate file now, it's gonna be part of builtin/misc_helpers.lua . |
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| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: #959 - proposal to remove the "forcewall" flag (whose presence allows moreblocks-style sneak-to-force-wall). comments? |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/959 ? |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
oh |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
I don't get what that thing does |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
is it purely a code cleanup or does it add a feature? |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
it take the code I put into moreblocks, homedecor, and a couple others, polishes it up, and makes it available to everyone. |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
so that mods have a single function they can call. less duplicated code. |
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| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
it also adds a couple of features |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
in the old code, normal facedir was ignored since it was directed primarily at slabs. this one allows normal facedir on the floor and an equivalent on the ceiling, and it has that invert feature we discussed that you didn't like :) |
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sapier |
BlockMen could you try this fix: https://github.com/sapier/minetest/tree/fix_json2lua |
| 17:15 |
BlockMen |
sure, give me a second |
| 17:20 |
BlockMen |
sapier, works fine for me |
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| 17:21 |
sapier |
so you see mods to download now? |
| 17:21 |
BlockMen |
no, wait. beginning at page 3 it says: "not a single version specified" |
| 17:22 |
sapier |
that's ok |
| 17:22 |
BlockMen |
ah, ok. and yes |
| 17:23 |
sapier |
those mods don't have any downloadable file ... quite useless |
| 17:25 |
sapier |
you could try 988 it's handled better there |
| 17:26 |
sapier |
oops 977 |
| 17:27 |
BlockMen |
will do later |
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| 17:46 |
troller |
30 clients on arm is too laggy 8( |
| 17:47 |
thexyz |
unbelievable |
| 17:48 |
troller |
they moving every second, but map not loading |
| 17:48 |
troller |
31/100 31 |
| 17:49 |
troller |
also 78.42% [idle] from 4core i5 with 30 bots |
| 17:49 |
troller |
* with my patch |
| 17:50 |
thexyz |
what patch? |
| 17:50 |
sapier |
sounds like great improvement |
| 17:50 |
troller |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/980/files |
| 17:51 |
troller |
now will try solve block loading.. |
| 17:52 |
thexyz |
not sure how's that related to server performance |
| 17:53 |
sapier |
is client cpp even compiled into server? |
| 17:54 |
troller |
this patch for bots |
| 17:54 |
troller |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/895/files - this for server |
| 17:55 |
sapier |
what are bots meant for? |
| 17:55 |
sapier |
ok 895 is a little bit tricky to judge |
| 17:55 |
troller |
screen nice ./minetest --go --address $address --port $port --name $n |
| 17:55 |
troller |
for testing server 8) |
| 17:56 |
thexyz |
you mean, your i5 can handle 30 bots with 78.32% cpu load? |
| 17:56 |
troller |
no, 320% load |
| 17:56 |
troller |
78 free |
| 17:56 |
sapier |
i5 is dual core with hyperthreading right? |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
quad core without HT on desktop |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
on mobile, dual core with HT |
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troller |
its 2-core HT |
| 17:57 |
troller |
notebook |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
then it's mobile i5 |
| 17:57 |
sapier |
ok guys it's great we're improving minetest that fast but did anyone look at pull request queue recently? |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: so, will you use #959 with the invert flag (you check for 'sneak' and set it when you call the code, places a wall variant on the floor, and a floor variant on the wall), or must you stick with the forcewall flag (what moreblocks basically does now, placing wall variants)? |
| 18:01 |
sapier |
anyone to check this one so I can merge it? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/982 |
| 18:01 |
troller |
maybe increase max players in #895 ? to 30 for example |
| 18:01 |
troller |
sapier, 892 okay |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
whatever works, but I'll only change code when it's merged |
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| 18:05 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: ok. well it's up to the others here to decide if it's merged, but I wanted your comments on which method you prefer. by default, both are available. |
| 18:05 |
sapier |
any core dev to agree to 892? can't merge without ok ;-) |
| 18:07 |
troller |
sapier, okay |
| 18:07 |
sapier |
sorry I'm the new guy I need to stick to the rules ;-) |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
sapier: can you explain what exactly this fixes |
| 18:11 |
sapier |
yeah actually this fixes a very silly bug, when you do a asString() a temporary string object is created |
| 18:11 |
sapier |
doing a c_str() afterwards creates a pointer to a constant string within that temporary object |
| 18:12 |
sapier |
so after that operation we have a pointer to a object that may not even exist anymore |
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| 18:12 |
sapier |
most time it will still exist but depending on compiler optimization there's no guarantee |
| 18:13 |
sapier |
on linux this typicaly seems to be fine while it almost everytime fails on windows |
| 18:14 |
celeron55 |
that's common sense to any C++ developer |
| 18:14 |
sapier |
yea silly bug I know ;-) |
| 18:15 |
celeron55 |
(also one of the reasons why C++ is bad) |
| 18:15 |
sapier |
developer beeing lazy is not a reason for something to be bad ;-) |
| 18:15 |
sapier |
you need to know what you're doing in c as well as in c++ |
| 18:16 |
celeron55 |
it's bad because a well designed language keeps you from accidentally making that kind of bugs, but C++ is made that way because it's compatible with C and so on 8) |
| 18:17 |
sapier |
yet json lib seems to beave different in win and linux ... at least it doesn't behave like I rememer it behaving in linux |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
then it's okay (despite really strange codestyle in convert_json.cpp) |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
but that's unrelated |
| 18:18 |
sapier |
yes c++ having c compatibility is reason for many insane things ... but c was already insane so you couldn't expect anything else :-) |
| 18:18 |
sapier |
ok I'm merging now |
| 18:19 |
celeron55 |
well C is just a multiplatform macro assembler |
| 18:19 |
celeron55 |
it just looks like something fancier while it isn't |
| 18:22 |
sapier |
c is as mighty as any assembler language but as dangerous too ... as is c++ |
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| 18:51 |
sapier |
celeron did you have time to check https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/971 I added winapi lookup of locales |
| 19:03 |
celeron55 |
now only if that was include inside windows or gettext! |
| 19:03 |
celeron55 |
included* |
| 19:04 |
sapier |
:-) no chance as gettext guys dropped msvc support for licensing issues |
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| 19:32 |
troller |
#max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total=20 why??? |
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celeron55 |
troller: i don't know; how does it behave if that is modified? |
| 19:40 |
troller |
now when you have 10 sloow clients - to every queue = 4 (small too), = maybe 40 blocks in queue |
| 19:40 |
troller |
but now it limited by 20 and you can wait minute to load block near you |
| 19:41 |
troller |
it must be max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client * max_users |
| 19:41 |
troller |
or not limited |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
eh, doing that is the same as removing the whole thing |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
(which is a possibility) |
| 19:45 |
troller |
if this limit enabled - block load flag enabled |
| 19:45 |
troller |
lag |
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VanessaE |
What's the word on using 'killall' to shut down a server? is it safe? is there a particular signal I should be using? |
| 20:18 |
celeron55 |
kill and killall will send SIGINT which is the correct way |
| 20:18 |
celeron55 |
if you send multiple SIGINTs, it will terminate immediately without cleaning up though |
| 20:18 |
celeron55 |
uhm |
| 20:19 |
celeron55 |
actually wait, that's not the default signal of killall and kill |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
ok. I've been using SIGQUIT out of habit. |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
the default is TERM isn't it? |
| 20:19 |
celeron55 |
SIGINT is what CTRL+C will send and that is handled as a "do a safe shutdown" signal |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 20:20 |
sapier |
wasn't there the rule you can't actually kill process just tell him to commit suicide ... yes I know semantic detail ;-) |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
`sudo killall -WHATEVER minetestserver` is 10x easier than signing into all five servers and shutting them down one at a time ;) |
| 20:20 |
celeron55 |
yes, but the C library will default to proceeding with an immediate suicide 8) |
| 20:20 |
sapier |
yes but that's not a clean shutdown vanessae |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
sapier: hence my question. |
| 20:20 |
celeron55 |
it is if WHATEVER is SIGINT |
| 20:21 |
sapier |
we can't do anything about it sigquit can't be handled by user process as far as I know |
| 20:22 |
troller |
btw client dows not send disconnect packet on kill |
| 20:22 |
sapier |
you can't do anything on kill ;-) |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
sapier: well on SIGKILL no, but he's right that it should try to to a proper disconnect if it can :) |
| 20:24 |
sapier |
of course :-) |
| 20:27 |
troller |
sapier, cant do on -9, on most other signals- can |
| 20:27 |
sapier |
only -9 is kill |
| 20:28 |
sapier |
yes I know the kill command is used for other signals too ... no idea who decided to call that programm "kill" |
| 20:28 |
sapier |
I guess this is "start" button of unix os |
| 20:31 |
VanessaE |
sapier: from the same mindset that put "Run" and "Stop" on the same key. :) |
| 20:33 |
celeron55 |
sapier: the name probably comes from the fact that it probably has initially only been used for killing processes 8) |
| 20:33 |
celeron55 |
(in early unix) |
| 20:34 |
sapier |
maybe ... so someone forgot refactoring ;-) |
| 20:47 |
sapier |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/884 any comment on this one? |
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| 21:40 |
troller |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/895/files need to test with 50+ players ;) |
| 21:41 |
sapier |
you should try to find them in minetest ;-) |
| 21:43 |
troller |
in weekend maybe |
| 21:45 |
troller |
and with it every can write lot of slow mods |
| 21:48 |
ShadowNinja |
Any objections to reverting making the creative hand dig instantly? It makes punching impossible in creative. |
| 21:57 |
troller |
20 clients on arm without lag |
| 21:58 |
troller |
with liquid_finite |
| 22:10 |
ShadowNinja |
Alright, can someone agree to ^? troller, sapier? |
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| 22:13 |
sapier |
could you post a link so we can se what you're talking about? |
| 22:17 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Basically reverting this, but leaving the longer range: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/e547d279ab91be3249144fc2551fb73955ac9f25 |
| 22:17 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Punching now breaks the node instantl, making punches impossible. |
| 22:17 |
ShadowNinja |
+y |
| 22:17 |
Miner_48er |
Shadow any need for punching? |
| 22:18 |
Miner_48er |
in creative? |
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| 22:18 |
ShadowNinja |
Miner_48er: Yes, eg, reloading travelnets, setting WorldEdit coordinates, setting schematic probabilities. |
| 22:19 |
sapier |
is it possible to reduce time to "next to 0" without breaking punch? |
| 22:23 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: About as low as you can put it is 0.3, and we want to avoid accidentaly breaking because you clicked too long. |
| 22:24 |
sapier |
as it was that way in 0.4.7 I think it's better to preserve old behaviour than add buggy new one |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
guys, I just decided to give 0.3.3 a try, compiled from sources. there's something dreadfully wrong with the 0.4.x series. stuff that would cause 0.4.x to choke (fps-wise) is super fast here (as in 45-40 fps with a view range of 300) |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
I thought maybe I was imagining it or remembering it wrong. I wasn't. |
| 22:38 |
sapier |
did 0.3 have any lua support? |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
nope, of course not. but I'm talking fps, and thus client-side. |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
(I decided to compile it to check out something entirely unrelated, and just happened to notice how FUCKING FAST it is) |
| 22:39 |
sapier |
I guess client side with server on remote pc? |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
client+server on the same box. |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
same conditions under which I normally use 0.4.x |
| 22:39 |
sapier |
shaders enabled or disabled? |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
well it's 0.3.3 so no shaders. 0.4.x can't keep up with this even in its most minimal state. |
| 22:41 |
sapier |
ok we should create a match as close as possible ... default 0.4 configuration isn't comparable to 0.3 |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
anyways /me wanders back to what she was doing previously. |
| 22:45 |
sapier |
where did you get 0.3.3 from? |
| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
direct from the minetest git repo, as usual. |
| 22:46 |
celeron55 |
there are many things that can contribute to that |
| 22:46 |
celeron55 |
for example the fact that 0.3.3 has efficient and thorough use of a texture atlas |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 22:47 |
sapier |
yes but that's not possible with hd textures ... or at least way more difficult ;-) |
| 22:48 |
VanessaE |
I'm not comparing with HD textures. |
| 22:48 |
sapier |
doesn't make a difference |
| 22:49 |
sapier |
if you put big fat wheels to a car to make it capable to run in desert you'll have the weels if you drive on roads too ;-) |
| 22:49 |
celeron55 |
what |
| 22:50 |
sapier |
removing texture atlas to improve hd textures does affect small textures too ;-) |
| 22:50 |
sapier |
just tried to speak in pictures |
| 22:50 |
celeron55 |
well what the fuck? that's the point |
| 22:51 |
celeron55 |
that's why it can be one of the reasons for VanessaE's results, and that's why it matters |
| 22:52 |
sapier |
I didn't want to tell it doesn't matter sorry if I didn't tell that clear enough |
| 22:52 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: just for kicks or maybe for testing, try copying the 0.3 world and loading it in 0.4 8) |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
I can agree with that, but I have to wonder if it's just that, or something else? I don't recall seeing much of a difference between enabling and disabling it, at the time. |
| 22:52 |
celeron55 |
it's probably much more than that |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
sure, I'll do that shortly. |
| 22:52 |
celeron55 |
it's just what came to mind |
| 22:53 |
kaeza |
I have such a screenshot |
| 22:53 |
kaeza |
It's... interesting |
| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
the difference betwene 0.3 and 0.4, for me, is easily around 6x or so. |
| 22:54 |
sapier |
yes but personal feeling isn't quite reliable if environment has changed that much if we really want to know we need to create as similar conditions as possible |
| 22:54 |
celeron55 |
kaeza: if it's old enough, there will be some pretty weird stuff going on :P |
| 22:55 |
kaeza |
(it's actually from 0.3.1, but I don't think there were major changes in the mapgen) |
| 22:56 |
Exio4 |
http://dpaste.com/1441996/ wut? |
| 22:56 |
Exio4 |
did git checkout 0.3 and git clean -fd before compiling |
| 22:57 |
kaeza |
celeron55, here's one https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_444767519.jpg |
| 22:57 |
kaeza |
and another one: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_690068789.jpg |
| 22:59 |
sapier |
how do I start a 0.3 world with current minetest? |
| 23:00 |
celeron55 |
Exio4: it won't compile with irrlicht 1.8 |
| 23:00 |
Exio4 |
ahm |
| 23:00 |
kaeza |
sapier, copy ~/.minetest/world to ~/.minetest/worlds? |
| 23:01 |
sapier |
doesn't work |
| 23:01 |
sapier |
00:04:51: ERROR[main]: Subgame [] could not be found. |
| 23:01 |
celeron55 |
well someone has broken compatibility then |
| 23:01 |
ShadowNinja |
nore has a horribly convoluted way of generating trees with the VM... |
| 23:02 |
kaeza |
ah, yes... I had to add that line to world.mt |
| 23:02 |
kaeza |
gameid = xxx |
| 23:02 |
sapier |
ok forcing gameid works too |
| 23:03 |
celeron55 |
(it used to work so that it would assume minetest_game if it wasn't defined; and really should still do that but apparently doesn't) |
| 23:04 |
sapier |
not sure but could be I don't have minetest_game in that tree |
| 23:10 |
sapier |
I don't understand what your're all talking about using same world same settings I have 5 FPS more in 0.4 |
| 23:10 |
sapier |
same view in world of course too |
| 23:11 |
sapier |
ok not 5 more more exactly same |
| 23:13 |
* ShadowNinja |
gets frustrated at WorldEdit's schematic creation functions and looks for a hex editor. |
| 23:14 |
sapier |
at least for opengl 0.3.2 and 0.4.7-dev perform almost exactly same to me (phenomII x4/gtx260) |
| 23:20 |
sapier |
http://imgur.com/bfMsr3r,1ProJQP#1 screenshots |
| 23:20 |
sapier |
may be I haven't been in exact same position for those yet the screenshot with more fps seems to have slightly more complex scene |
| 23:22 |
sapier |
does anyone have an idea why 0.4.7 replaces shore sand with dirt with grass? never realized that before :-) |
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| 23:28 |
ShadowNinja |
There's probably docs somewhere, but it's kind of fun to guess the MTSM format by looking at it. ;-) |
| 23:35 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: I am breaking my head trying to finish the new rollback, for your info. |
| 23:35 |
zat |
I just smoked though, and I feel unable to keep coding for today. |
| 23:35 |
zat |
Smoking makes me all dizzy. |
| 23:38 |
ShadowNinja |
Drat, zlib deflated. :-( |
| 23:39 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: Ok, I hope you can finish it soon. :-) |
| 23:40 |
zat |
kik |
