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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2013-10-23

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12:21 nore I have a minor bug to report:
12:22 nore when you exit "Client" tab from mainmenu, and you go there again, the port is saved but not the address
12:22 nore both should be saved, or none of them
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16:49 kahrl nore: I believe that's a known bug
16:49 kahrl fixed by #846
16:50 kahrl I really should review that some day... not easy with job+uni :P
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17:32 BlockMen ok, #928 is rebased now
17:36 BlockMen also, is #963 fine?
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19:25 * Sokomine throws #944 into the channel and hopes to catch someone who's familiar with the moving around of inventory
19:29 Sokomine remaining suspects (that is, people who seem to have worked on the relevant code and thus know it well) seem to be celeron55 and kharl
19:31 Sokomine does anyone know why it was handled the way it currently is? that is: take something out of a metadata inv, place on an occupied stack in your inv -> stack that used to be in your inv now sticks to mouse pointer, but is internally moved to the metadata inv
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20:09 sapier1 thexyz did you know vs is not supported by gettext anymore?
20:09 thexyz no
20:10 thexyz and what's your point?
20:10 sapier1 we're stuck to old gettext version for vs builds unless we want to maintain them by ourselfs
20:11 thexyz you mean, newer version don't compile or what?
20:12 thexyz I probably just don't understand something
20:13 thexyz what new features could be added to gettext anyway
20:13 sapier1 as you know I'm trying to build as much as possible with a single toolchain
20:13 sapier1 mingw32 is finished only thing missing is openal and directx ... later one obviously can't be done ;-)
20:14 sapier1 on vs2012 I'm missing additionally gettext
20:14 thexyz wait, so it doesn't compile after all?
20:14 sapier1 and reading the windows build instructions shows the gettext maintainers don't even try to make it build on vs
20:15 sapier1 difficult to even try without build scripts ;)
20:17 thexyz dunno what's the problem; I just used gnuwin32 builds and those were released more than 8 years ago, apparently
20:17 sapier1 as I said we're stuck to old versions
20:17 thexyz okay, okay, fine
20:18 sapier1 that's no problem by definition it's just ... not so nice ;-)
20:18 thexyz okay
20:19 thexyz ping me in 5 years after they add a feature we will need
20:19 sapier1 I'm not concerned about features but bug/security fixes ... gettext may be in input path
20:20 thexyz yeah sure whatever
20:22 sapier1 ok if this isn't an issue for anyone else I don't use windows too :-)
20:27 thexyz I don't see any issue with it
20:28 sapier1 imho unsupported libraries are always an issue especialy if we can't build at least similar versions for different os
20:28 thexyz but if you feel like spending time on what no one will find particularly useful then feel free to do it
20:30 sapier1 quick solution would be to use mingw for official builds so official windows and linux builds match more closly
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20:30 sapier1 but mingw build is less user friendly
20:31 thexyz hm?
20:31 sfan5 less user friendly?
20:31 sapier1 a little bit more libs to build yourself
20:31 sapier1 no gui
20:31 sapier1 things like that
20:31 thexyz wait, wait
20:32 thexyz you said *user* friendly
20:32 thexyz this is unclear; I assume you meant developer friendly
20:33 sfan5 users don't compile things (atleast windows users)
20:33 sapier1 yes in this particular case user == person to do a build
20:34 thexyz I'm not following; you didn't say that we will drop VS builds, you did say "use mingw for official builds"; how's that related? it's not like VS builds will stop working because of that
20:34 thexyz I'm also not sure about performance impact; will there be any significant difference?
20:35 BlockMen i dont want interrupt your discussion, but to all devs: is there a chance that #928 becomes part of 0.4.8? AFAIK it was already part of the milestone a few weeks ago
20:35 sapier1 no of course not but we could spare resources to find build issues that are vs only
20:35 thexyz hmm.. hmm.. most of time those VS only issues were actual issues
20:36 thexyz like using "and" instead of "&&"
20:36 thexyz or that thing with struct/class declaration
20:37 sapier1 I don't know of any specific vs issue but I doubt we ever did testbuilds on all vs versions ;-)
20:37 thexyz we've never done test builds on all GCC versions too
20:37 thexyz shall we do them?
20:37 sapier1 I'm not even sure this is relevant at all I guess there aren't many ppl out there doing windows builds
20:38 sapier1 the difference is we most likely get all gcc versions due to developers using various versions of linux os
20:38 thexyz indeed so why talk about it?
20:38 thexyz "all" sure, of course
20:39 thexyz linux os, too, various versions
20:39 thexyz this conversation is pointless; what do you want? drop VS support or what?
20:39 thexyz then what's the reason
20:40 sapier1 what I actually want is list of build configurations we support ... "everything that builds minetest" is as usefull as nothing
20:40 sapier1 it could mean once a build error occurs that toolchain isn't supportet as well as we support everything ;-)
20:41 thexyz what do you mean by "list of build configurations"
20:41 sapier1 e.g. minetest build is supported for
20:41 sapier1 VS2010
20:41 sapier1 gcc 4.8.x
20:41 sapier1 clang?
20:41 sapier1 mingw 0.6.2
20:43 sapier1 maybe I'm wrong but if we had a list like that we could run automated tests
20:43 sfan5 we need more than just a list
20:43 sfan5 we need a windows machine that is always available to do tests
20:43 sapier1 of course the list is just a beginning
20:44 sfan5 and that is what we don't have
20:44 sapier1 does anyone know about a ci framework?
20:45 sapier1 I'd be glad to setup a ci env to use my windows build vm but without automated git pull request build and web frontend it's pointless
20:46 sfan5 someone could write a web frontend and stuff
20:47 thexyz for linux we have https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest
20:47 sapier1 I know that's what I had in mind to do for windows too
20:47 thexyz yeah have fun
20:48 sapier1 that's why I was asking for a ci framework ;)
20:49 sapier1 git as well as build integration for mingw are not a big deal but I'm a lousy webdesigner ;-)
20:51 sapier1 great outdated gettext build seems to be fine while current supported freetype lib fails to link
20:55 thexyz yeah I once tried to make something like that
20:55 thexyz it was able to output build log in real time
20:55 thexyz and then I just got tired of it
20:56 thexyz I used vs to do the build though
21:01 sapier1 great vs doesn't even build correct binaries
21:01 sapier1 CreateFile2 not found in kernel32.dll :-/
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