| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:05 |
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ShadowNinja joined #minetest-dev |
| 00:05 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I was looking at your security v2 and noticed the top of two files says Minetest-c55 |
| 00:07 |
sapier |
thx I'll fix it |
| 00:11 |
ShadowNinja |
troller: you forgot to add constant scale here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/543/files#L0R319 |
| 00:14 |
hmmmm |
shadowninja, i am looking at the cloud menu thing and there's a lot to discuss |
| 00:15 |
hmmmm |
right off the bat, it doesn't compile, you're missing a semicolon. then the clouds are way too fast, reducing the dtime multiplier to makes it look better |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
there are quite a few lines in your code that not only go over 80 lines, but more like over 100 lines |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
I didn't notice a problem with the speed of the clouds? |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
you didn't? |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
no, they seemed fine on my end as of that little patch I added. |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
(a comment in the pull request) |
| 00:17 |
hmmmm |
was that patch added into that pull request |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 00:19 |
hmmmm |
and the footer takes up the entire window length |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
that's what my little 2-line (effective) change does. |
| 00:20 |
hmmmm |
yeah... |
| 00:20 |
hmmmm |
you see, now when you go to use the original footer, it doesn't look right at all |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
well that's easily solved by adding some blank space to it |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
but I supplied a new foote rimage too |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
s/\ r/r\ / |
| 00:21 |
hmmmm |
yeah.. how do other people feel about that? |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
dunno, not many have commented on it so far |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
*checks pull request* |
| 00:22 |
hmmmm |
i'd like the non-cloud menu to be pixel-perfect to what it was before tihs patch |
| 00:22 |
hmmmm |
which means we'd have to add the border around the footer |
| 00:22 |
hmmmm |
would you volunteer to do that? |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
in the context of a image that's scaled, can you define "pixel perfect"? |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
well |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
oh you mean size relative? |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
hm, I should be able to manage something |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
want the dark grey background too? |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
okay |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
just exactly the way it was |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
ok, give me a few and I'll upload one. |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
(except without the -c55) |
| 00:25 |
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sapier left #minetest-dev |
| 00:28 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: oops, I thought I compiled it before pushing |
| 00:30 |
ShadowNinja |
fixed and pushed |
| 00:30 |
hmmmm |
it's okay, you didn't need to push it |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/menulogo.png |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
as long as you center it on the window, it should be exactly as was before. |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
(center horizontally I mean) |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
might be off by one pixel vertically, I will fix that if needed. |
| 00:32 |
hmmmm |
yep, looks good |
| 00:32 |
hmmmm |
thanks |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
np |
| 00:32 |
ShadowNinja |
should I use that? |
| 00:33 |
hmmmm |
shadowninja, i'm taking care of it from here on out |
| 00:33 |
hmmmm |
you don't have to do anything more |
| 00:52 |
hmmmm |
hmmm |
| 00:53 |
hmmmm |
you know, i'm looking at the clouds and i'm wondering if it'd look better coming at you |
| 00:53 |
hmmmm |
what do you guys think? |
| 00:55 |
ShadowNinja |
I would have to try it but I think sideways would look better |
| 00:56 |
hmmmm |
nevermind that the cloud object is initialized wrong.. |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: actually yeah |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
let's see it coming towards the player |
| 00:58 |
hmmmm |
hang on, let me fix Clouds::Clouds() |
| 00:59 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: change v3f(-100,60,0) to v3f(0,60,100) in my branch line 1628 |
| 01:02 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: I notice Clouds takes smgr twice, shouldn't that be changed? |
| 01:02 |
hmmmm |
hmm? |
| 01:02 |
RealBadAngel |
talkin to yourself? |
| 01:02 |
hmmmm |
it does? |
| 01:02 |
RealBadAngel |
hi all |
| 01:02 |
hmmmm |
hello |
| 01:03 |
ShadowNinja |
smgr and smgr->getRootSceneNode() |
| 01:03 |
ShadowNinja |
can't it get it itself? |
| 01:03 |
hmmmm |
oh, *shrug*, i don't know what the design intention was |
| 01:04 |
hmmmm |
oh i know why, because you can't execute code in an initializer list |
| 01:05 |
hmmmm |
i'd rather not fool around with something that doesn't need fixing |
| 01:06 |
hmmmm |
anyway that clouds code, it was passing what was thought to be the cloud height as the seed, so the clouds would be the same exact thing every time. |
| 01:07 |
hmmmm |
and what's more is that the cloud height would depend on cloud_height in the config, so i had to fix that as well |
| 01:07 |
ShadowNinja |
ah, that's why changing it did nothing |
| 01:07 |
hmmmm |
so i hardcoded the cloud height for that scene as 100 |
| 01:08 |
hmmmm |
it looks pretty nice. anyway, what's your final verdict on clouds coming toward you? i think it's neater that way, personally |
| 01:08 |
VanessaE |
works for me |
| 01:09 |
ShadowNinja |
looks fine either way |
| 01:10 |
ShadowNinja |
will the clouds look higher than before, I was trying to change that |
| 01:10 |
ShadowNinja |
+? |
| 01:10 |
hmmmm |
they'll look a tiny bit lower |
| 01:11 |
hmmmm |
alright, i'm really happy with the tweaked camera angle, the randomized seed, and the dtime multiplier at 3 |
| 01:11 |
hmmmm |
when i go to play minetest, this is what i'd want to see |
| 01:12 |
hmmmm |
we'll see the consensus when people update and make tweaks if necesssary along the way to 0.4.6 |
| 01:12 |
ShadowNinja |
ok, just attribute me please |
| 01:14 |
hmmmm |
take a look at how it is |
| 01:14 |
VanessaE |
pulling it now. |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
i'll personally be using the cloud menu from now on |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
uh oh |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
I think you used the wrong menulogo |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
why's that? |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
oh great hold on |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
well, or rather, you deleted it. |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
it's menufooter.png now |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
remember? |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
it's not in your commit, plus it doesn't build |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
/home/vanessa/Minetest-Textures-and-mods/minetest/src/main.cpp:605:2: error: expected ‘,’ or ‘;’ before ‘if’ |
| 01:16 |
ShadowNinja |
he didn't pull latest, I assume he will add a fixer commit now |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
? |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
uh oh |
| 01:17 |
ShadowNinja |
you pushed my old version that didn't compile |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
what on earth |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
i amended it |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
OH SHIT |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
you bwoke it! :'( |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
i did not add the files |
| 01:18 |
hmmmm |
okay, it's not bad |
| 01:18 |
hmmmm |
it's like a couple minutes |
| 01:18 |
ShadowNinja |
ah, forgit git add? |
| 01:18 |
ShadowNinja |
*forgot |
| 01:19 |
hmmmm |
gulp |
| 01:19 |
hmmmm |
okay here we go |
| 01:19 |
VanessaE |
merge conflict. |
| 01:19 |
VanessaE |
I'll re-clone |
| 01:19 |
hmmmm |
force it |
| 01:19 |
hmmmm |
yeah that |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
here goes nothin' |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
(building against irrlicht 1.7.x) |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
it'll work fine. |
| 01:22 |
VanessaE |
ok.. |
| 01:22 |
VanessaE |
interesting |
| 01:22 |
hmmmm |
next up, get rid of that "TAPE AND GLUE" thing on the side of the singleplayer menu, it makes minetest seem like it's hacked together |
| 01:22 |
hmmmm |
ugh |
| 01:23 |
hmmmm |
it's definitely not, we put effort into this |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: seems to work for me; clouds are too low to see with my HDX splash but no biggie |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
+1 on getting rid of the glue. |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
oh wait, here come some clouds now |
| 01:23 |
Exio |
tape and glue? |
| 01:23 |
hmmmm |
aside from cloud height, is everything else okay? |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
Exio, "Single player" menu. |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: yep, lemme check one thing |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: yep, it's good. |
| 01:25 |
ShadowNinja |
looks good here |
| 01:26 |
hmmmm |
aaaahhh! i found a nyancat in the air for the first time ever |
| 01:26 |
VanessaE |
wait |
| 01:26 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 01:27 |
ShadowNinja |
I have found one of those too |
| 01:27 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I don't see the default menufooter |
| 01:27 |
VanessaE |
(with clouds turned on I mean) |
| 01:27 |
hmmmm |
yeah that's intentional, remember? |
| 01:28 |
VanessaE |
oh right |
| 01:28 |
hmmmm |
with clouds turned on it uses menufooter_clouds.png |
| 01:28 |
VanessaE |
right, I forgot. |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
hrm |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
menu_clouds = false |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
should disable them in favor of the default old background, right? |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
oh wait |
| 01:30 |
VanessaE |
wrong file |
| 01:30 |
VanessaE |
yep that works |
| 01:30 |
VanessaE |
however, that new footer I drew isn't being used anywhere |
| 01:31 |
ShadowNinja |
just symlink/copy it |
| 01:31 |
VanessaE |
just making sure I'm following things clearly. |
| 01:33 |
VanessaE |
(I mean the wide, cutaway view of the landscape, not the "==MINETEST==" one) |
| 01:33 |
hmmmm |
hm |
| 01:33 |
ShadowNinja |
oh, hmmmm wanted it to be pixel perfect |
| 01:33 |
hmmmm |
i just noticed we have a credits page |
| 01:34 |
hmmmm |
yeah nevermind, it's good enough |
| 01:35 |
hmmmm |
irrlicht isn't correctly rendering the umlaut a in that one guy's name, and i'm not even existing :( |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
you should fix the latter, for sure |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
your name belongs near the head of the list given the work you've done on this |
| 01:36 |
hmmmm |
d'aw, thanks :) |
| 01:36 |
ShadowNinja |
not sure what you mean by the former but is matttpt spelled correctly? |
| 01:36 |
hmmmm |
it isn't |
| 01:37 |
hmmmm |
what a shame that half of these people aren't even around anymore |
| 01:37 |
ShadowNinja |
I have seen about 7 out of 15 |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
kahrl keeps dropping by every so often, of all people |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
erlehmann too. |
| 01:38 |
hmmmm |
does he use a different nick? haven't seen him drop by at all |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
nope, same old nicks for both |
| 01:39 |
VanessaE |
[03-07 02:05] <kahrl> hmmm: many distro maintainers despise bundled libraries and want to use system libraries if at all possible |
| 01:39 |
hmmmm |
yeah that's the last thing he said |
| 01:39 |
hmmmm |
and we still need to fix the json thing |
| 01:39 |
hmmmm |
so like, rename it back to json so system libraries can take over, i guess? and rename jthread completely |
| 01:40 |
VanessaE |
(I last saw erlehmann quitting from #minetest back on Jan. 20) |
| 01:40 |
hmmmm |
yeah exactly |
| 01:40 |
VanessaE |
I dunno, I just hate json or really anything that isn't plain "key = value", one line per key. |
| 01:41 |
VanessaE |
it's like trying to write a document in XML when all you need is the occasional <b> tag. |
| 01:42 |
hmmmm |
json fits in with lots of web technologies |
| 01:42 |
hmmmm |
like celeron said, with cURL, it could prove useful later on |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
fair enough. |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
let's just not use it where it isn't really needed though |
| 01:43 |
hmmmm |
right, like the whole noiseparams thing using json was ridic |
| 01:44 |
hmmmm |
alright, now let's decide how to update the credits |
| 01:44 |
hmmmm |
what I think we should do is something like Xfce has, a scrollable textbox with each person's real name and then email |
| 01:44 |
VanessaE |
top 10 or so people, in order by number of contributions? |
| 01:45 |
hmmmm |
top 10 is pretty arbitrary and people would understandably feel left out |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 01:45 |
hmmmm |
if we use a scrollable textbox we can add everybody |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
but would anyone use it? Maybe just an automatic scroller? |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
you know, a movie-style closing credits sort of thing |
| 01:46 |
hmmmm |
well i'd use it |
| 01:46 |
hmmmm |
it's undoubtably better than having some number of people all on one line |
| 01:55 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: can dungeons be enabled/disabled with a config option? |
| 01:55 |
hmmmm |
yes, you must add 'dungeons' to the map generation flags |
| 01:55 |
hmmmm |
mg_flags = what you had before, dungeons |
| 01:56 |
ShadowNinja |
good, I didn't notice that change in the commit, was the option there but unused before? |
| 01:56 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 01:57 |
ShadowNinja |
are they enabled by default? |
| 01:57 |
hmmmm |
no |
| 02:00 |
ShadowNinja |
is there a reason #minetest has +C but not -dev? |
| 02:11 |
hmmmm |
no idea... |
| 02:11 |
hmmmm |
hrmm so we have to decide once and for all how we're going to classify contributors |
| 02:13 |
ShadowNinja |
Just make sure I qualify :-) |
| 02:14 |
hmmmm |
sure |
| 02:14 |
ShadowNinja |
made a commit within x months? |
| 02:14 |
hmmmm |
we still need to acknowledge people who did a lot but don't contribute anymore |
| 02:15 |
ShadowNinja |
or have made over x commits? |
| 02:15 |
hmmmm |
the way Xfce divvys up people is: Core Developers, Active Contributors, Previous Contributors, Translators |
| 02:16 |
hmmmm |
i know i quote from xfce a lot but i feel like it's a tidy, organized operation |
| 02:16 |
hmmmm |
and i have the credits for it right in front of my face |
| 02:16 |
ShadowNinja |
do you know where a page describing those is? |
| 02:17 |
Exio |
hmmmm works for the Xfce Spam Team! |
| 02:17 |
Exio |
:P |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: can I suggest my "bigger, sharper fonts ( http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4436 ) be added as the defaults for when MT isn't running in freetype mode? |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
(some formspecs will need tweaked to accommodate the larger size) |
| 02:17 |
hmmmm |
http://www.xfce.org/about/credits |
| 02:18 |
hmmmm |
i'll investigate// |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
"goodies supervision".. interesting title (I know what it means) |
| 02:18 |
hmmmm |
the people who guard and distribute the heroin? |
| 02:18 |
ShadowNinja |
I mean describing what "core developer" or "active developer" means etc |
| 02:19 |
hmmmm |
ah you're right, it doesn't have it on that page |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributors/article.html |
| 02:22 |
ShadowNinja |
Can progress text be added to the loading screen for the freetype build? |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
core developers, i guess, are the people with commit privileges, active developers are people who made contributions that were committed within the past say, 3 months? and previous developers would be people who made contributions before but not any time recently |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
i guess... i have no idea what's going on with the freetype stuff |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
the timing/categories sounds fair to me |
| 02:25 |
ShadowNinja |
that sounds good |
| 02:26 |
ShadowNinja |
*whew* that is a lot of contributors |
| 02:26 |
hmmmm |
it's not going to really take that long to gather |
| 02:26 |
hmmmm |
doesn't xyz have a minetest.net email address? |
| 02:26 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I guess c55 likes to use that ohloh page or whatever it was |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
oh, lol! |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
https://www.ohloh.net/p/minetest-c55/contributors?query=&sort=kudo_position |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
that one |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
it strikes me as unprofessional for some reason |
| 02:28 |
ShadowNinja |
I mean on the freebsd page |
| 02:28 |
ShadowNinja |
I imagine the list of all contributors can be found with git log and maybe some pipes |
| 02:29 |
VanessaE |
that might work too |
| 02:31 |
RealBadAngel |
btw, any volunteers to implement player:set_yaw ? |
| 02:33 |
hmmmm |
ahh! the problem is that we don't know the email addresses for many people |
| 02:34 |
RealBadAngel |
ask them? |
| 02:35 |
RealBadAngel |
and meanwhile leave field blank |
| 02:36 |
hmmmm |
that's what i'm doing |
| 02:36 |
RealBadAngel |
<-- mk realbadangel.pl |
| 02:36 |
hmmmm |
ya i have yours |
| 02:38 |
RealBadAngel |
so, no volunteers for set_yaw? ;) |
| 02:38 |
hmmmm |
nope ;\ |
| 02:38 |
RealBadAngel |
damn :) |
| 02:38 |
RealBadAngel |
shouldnt be that hard anyways |
| 02:39 |
RealBadAngel |
theres already set_yaw for entity |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
can someone at least make enabling freetype not disable the use of bitmap fonts? |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
(wow, I talk good Engrish ;) ) |
| 02:40 |
RealBadAngel |
as for a hobbit ;) |
| 03:01 |
RealBadAngel |
ShadowNinja, maybe you will want te be a volunteer? |
| 03:02 |
ShadowNinja |
hmm, maybe, if it wouldn't be to hard |
| 03:02 |
ShadowNinja |
would it require aditions to the protocol? |
| 03:05 |
RealBadAngel |
i think not |
| 03:05 |
RealBadAngel |
look at lua entity set_yaw |
| 03:06 |
RealBadAngel |
this will provide you scriptapi ways |
| 03:06 |
RealBadAngel |
apply the same to player object just |
| 03:07 |
RealBadAngel |
yaw have to be updated also by pressing keys so it is called there somwhere |
| 03:08 |
RealBadAngel |
treatin use of this method as a response for a key pressed (and yaw changed then) shall do the trick |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
ok, weird bug. If the server is compiled with -O3, it doesn't not send adequate map updates to the client with things like worldedit (even if you just //set say a 50 by 50-node platform) |
| 03:09 |
hmmmm |
sounds like a gcc bug |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
might be |
| 03:10 |
ShadowNinja |
is there some sort of scriptapi_player.cpp? |
| 03:11 |
RealBadAngel |
ah those splits |
| 03:11 |
RealBadAngel |
grep for get_player_name |
| 03:12 |
RealBadAngel |
and put it there |
| 03:13 |
RealBadAngel |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJHySGnMps |
| 03:14 |
RealBadAngel |
i like those Crack animations :) |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: also happens with -O2 |
| 03:28 |
hmmmm |
but not O1? |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
I'm recompiling to -O1 now. |
| 03:28 |
RealBadAngel |
i got the gates workin properly |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
when I say "adequate" I mean only the few nodes closest to me, say a 5 node radius, were being updated to the client. |
| 03:29 |
RealBadAngel |
only thing left is set_yaw for teleporting players |
| 03:29 |
hmmmm |
>< |
| 03:29 |
RealBadAngel |
also updated sounds |
| 03:30 |
RealBadAngel |
and included iris open and close for future upgrades |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: same at -O1 |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
this is a problem. |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
re-trying without a -O setting. |
| 03:32 |
hmmmm |
eh nevermind |
| 03:32 |
hmmmm |
sounds like a bug... |
| 03:32 |
RealBadAngel |
and i think i will get friday off at work |
| 03:32 |
RealBadAngel |
so propably i will get looooonger weekend |
| 03:33 |
hmmmm |
alright how does this look guys http://pastebin.com/iLGEVeYb |
| 03:33 |
hmmmm |
can't seem to find jeija's email, and shadowninja has a fake email |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
it looks good, as for jeija, try jeijamesecons.net |
| 03:34 |
hmmmm |
ok |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
I think that's the one he prefers |
| 03:34 |
RealBadAngel |
looks ok |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: without a -O setting it still bugs out. |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
I'm only getting updates in roughly 5 a node radius. |
| 03:36 |
hmmmm |
actually that sounds about right now that i'm thinking about it |
| 03:36 |
hmmmm |
'cause look: |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
no, this is wrong. |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
it used to update everything out to about 5 mapblocks away |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
I fly around the area that was changed and receive no updates. |
| 03:38 |
hmmmm |
hold on i can't find it |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
I have to restart my client to force it |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
*sigh* please just go test it |
| 03:39 |
hmmmm |
in server.cpp line 1557 it sends bulk change events to players within 5 blocks |
| 03:39 |
hmmmm |
far_d_nodes |
| 03:40 |
hmmmm |
so clearly, disable_single_change_sending must be enabled |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
worldedit. Find some mostly-flat ground. do //pos1 and then walk out about 40 to 50 nodes diagonally. try to stay at the same Y elevation. //pos2. //set cobble |
| 03:40 |
hmmmm |
which means that more than 3 nodes must have been added to the change queue |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
what you'll see is a few nodes around you will update, and maybe a couple of whole mapblocks in the distance, but nothing in between |
| 03:40 |
hmmmm |
well, are you sure this doesn't happen with previous versions? |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
it didn't beofre. |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
I'm very familiar with the normal map update pattern when using worldedit. |
| 03:41 |
hmmmm |
well from what i'm reading in the code, this is how it *should* work.. |
| 03:41 |
hmmmm |
can you find some version where it didn't happen so i can compare? |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
try going back to commit e204bedf1d. |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
I know it worked "right" there. |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
I'll try, I mean |
| 03:42 |
hmmmm |
at the menulogo update? |
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| 03:42 |
hmmmm |
that's really not too far back, eek |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
yeah, that's a good spot to start |
| 03:43 |
hmmmm |
in fact the only things to change since then are the cloud menu, the STL fix, my mapgen cleaning, moving some code to somewhere else... |
| 03:43 |
hmmmm |
okay, i can say with 90% certainty that this was caused by the new STL migration |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
I figured that might be the case |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
lemme build from this older commit just to be sure of how far back it goes |
| 03:44 |
hmmmm |
i'm looking at what was changed in server.cpp by that right now |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
pk |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 03:44 |
hmmmm |
oh god... what if it was something in connection.cpp... that'd be even worse.... |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
oh shit |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
you know something? |
| 03:45 |
hmmmm |
? |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
A LOT of people have been complaining of being unable to connect to most servers |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
mine seems to be an exception to that rule, people have no trouble connecting to me |
| 03:46 |
hmmmm |
the people who are having trouble connecting are using the most recent version from git? |
| 03:46 |
hmmmm |
and you're sure of this? |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
in some cases yes, in other cases no. |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
but yeah, I've seen the complaints, and somehow my server's been the only one that's working reliably for those who complained. |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
(go figure that one out) |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
BAM! |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
as I predicted. |
| 03:47 |
hmmmm |
huh |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
it works properly at e204bedf1d |
| 03:47 |
hmmmm |
great -.- |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
shall I work my way forward? |
| 03:48 |
hmmmm |
no |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 03:48 |
hmmmm |
logically, the only thing that can possibly be the problem is the STL thing |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
how hard would it be to revert the STL commit? |
| 03:50 |
hmmmm |
hrmm |
| 03:50 |
hmmmm |
i'd have to rewrite history in order to revert it |
| 03:50 |
hmmmm |
since it's way too late for that, we'd have to re-patch everything that commit changed |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
shit |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
well, may as well go back to -O3 at least :D |
| 03:53 |
hmmmm |
you can live with it for a little while, right? |
| 03:53 |
RealBadAngel |
im off to work, c ya later folks |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
oh sure |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
I can just stay at this earlier commit for now |
| 03:55 |
RealBadAngel |
btw, i do have working trees compiled every 2-3 days, so i can track the exact point when it got worse |
| 03:55 |
hmmmm |
i am looking and i am not finding |
| 03:56 |
hmmmm |
all the core-to-stl changes in server.cpp seem okay |
| 03:56 |
RealBadAngel |
and i can go back to mid of january with that |
| 04:01 |
hmmmm |
vanessa |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
hm? |
| 04:01 |
hmmmm |
would you like to try something? |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
sure, gladly. |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
(this ought to be good ;) |
| 04:03 |
hmmmm |
in server.cpp, replace lines 1608 and 1909 with this: modified_blocks2[i->first] = m_env->getMap().getBlockNoCreateNoEx(i->first); |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
against current HEAD? |
| 04:03 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
sure, gimme a sec to finish something |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
1909? That's got an access-denied message? |
| 04:06 |
hmmmm |
1609 |
| 04:06 |
hmmmm |
i mean |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
that makes more sense ;) |
| 04:06 |
hmmmm |
wait hold on |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
*waits* |
| 04:07 |
hmmmm |
that can't be the problem |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
ok, not making that change. |
| 04:07 |
hmmmm |
i'm sorry |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
no worried. |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
s |
| 04:12 |
* VanessaE |
argues with a persistent shadow on the map |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
BAM |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
fuck you, you stupid shadow :) |
| 04:20 |
hmmmm |
i give up |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
that can't be good.. |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
It's a drastic step, but I think it would be a good idea to back out these last few commits, I'm a little concerned that this could lead to data loss for someone |
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ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngel: Adding setYaw is not so simple for me |
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thexyz |
hm, can somebody check connection.h/cpp? i might've fucked something there |
| 06:07 |
hmmmm |
the packets are reliable, it would've cropped up some sort of error if that's the case |
| 06:08 |
thexyz |
i also have stl commit splitted to several ones (to help bisecting) on my pc which i can't access at the moment |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
perhaps change back server.cpp and whatever else is necessary to the old version and see if that fixes the problem |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
well it's not time-critical |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
just needs to be done soon |
| 06:08 |
thexyz |
will be able to on 17th |
| 06:09 |
hmmmm |
ouch |
| 06:09 |
hmmmm |
well whatever |
| 06:09 |
thexyz |
yeah |
| 06:55 |
VanessaE |
I'm off for the night also. |
| 07:15 |
celeron55 |
the credits tab should roughly correspond to http://www.ohloh.net/p/minetest-c55/contributors (with size of individual commits taken into account, which that page does not do; eg. kahrl has tended to have very large squashed-together commits) |
| 07:16 |
celeron55 |
squashing is good and shouldn't be discouraged by lessening the credit of those who do it |
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thexyz |
some guys are complaining about being able to replace chest with other node |
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proller |
ShadowNinja|Away, ok, but i remake scale in new dev mapgen |
| 10:07 |
celeron55 |
launchpad's daily builds are now tracking minetest/minetest |
| 10:08 |
celeron55 |
so they'll be again up to date from now on |
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| 12:17 |
proller |
looking at many errors like ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Player with an empty name tried to connect from |
| 12:18 |
proller |
maybe use system username + rand(1000) like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11587426/get-current-username-in-c-on-windows |
| 12:19 |
proller |
autofill username field ? |
| 12:45 |
celeron55 |
Administrator1, Administrato2, Administrator347 |
| 12:50 |
celeron55 |
proller: the problem with that is that if it's pre-filled into the field automatically, you have to erase it to input your actual nick which sucks, and on the other hand if a such a nick is silently sent to the server if the field is blank you don't remember it the next time and it'll properly conflict with some other person on an another server |
| 12:50 |
celeron55 |
s/properly/propably/ |
| 12:52 |
proller |
generate it only in first time and save for next time |
| 12:54 |
proller |
or not system user, but like guest12345 |
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proller |
or maybe generate name on server, using hash from client ip |
| 14:29 |
celeron55 |
i guess it could work so that if the user leaves the name empty when connecting to a server, the client will input guest+randint(1,1000) to it and leave that name to it for next times too as if the name was input by the user |
| 14:29 |
celeron55 |
no os dependency, no effect on correct usage, no anything |
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| 17:14 |
hmmmm |
http://ompldr.org/vaHJiNg/2013-03-14-131345_1154x890_scrot.png yes? no? |
| 17:14 |
hmmmm |
i'm going to make the listbox a little bigger |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
looks nice |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
YELLOW TEXT |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
OMERAGAD |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
(can we also have color codes which can be used by mods, puleeez?) |
| 17:15 |
hmmmm |
huh |
| 17:15 |
hmmmm |
well I did that manually by setItemColorOverride |
| 17:16 |
hmmmm |
not all gui elements are guaranteed to have that capability |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
having color codes like ^f0f would be a nice thing, optionally, could be used by people talking too |
| 17:16 |
hmmmm |
i had to make it yellow in lieu of being able to make it bold or change the font size |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
yellow looks good enough, no need for bold |
| 17:16 |
hmmmm |
oh god, colored text, no we don't want a repeat of starcraft |
| 17:17 |
hmmmm |
(well, colored text in chat anyway) |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
I said optionally ;) would probably be off by default |
| 17:17 |
hmmmm |
colored text in chat adds so many loopholes, bugs, and what not |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
would be useful for mods |
| 17:17 |
hmmmm |
in the end it's not worth it and games that do have it, end up removing it |
| 17:24 |
hmmmm |
alright, so people, please do comment on the new credits box, i did adjust the y position of the listbox, so don't complain about that |
| 17:27 |
thexyz |
hmmmm: change my email to xyzminetest.net |
| 17:27 |
hmmmm |
ok |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
hmmmm: very nice |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
I like the menu layout |
| 17:42 |
hmmmm |
thanks |
| 17:43 |
hmmmm |
that, along with removing "tape-and-glue", were just two steps to modernizing the main menu. next up is making a single, unified configuration menu that pops up in both the menu tab and in game (instead of having a single button in the game menu for sound volume, for instance - i find that tacky) |
| 17:44 |
hmmmm |
also the layout should be revised too, instead of being just a bunch of checkboxes. if mutually exclusive options are present, for example, they should be so-called 'radio buttons', or option circles |
| 17:46 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, definitely |
| 17:52 |
jin_xi |
as much as i liked the tape and glue thing, the new menu looks fresh and nice! very cool |
| 18:08 |
hmmmm |
oh by the way, i realized the exact reason why the dark spots happen on the map |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
it's because when it's generating, the overtop does have a valid node that isn't content ignore, namely cave air. so it copies the light value of that node (which is initialized to 0) all the way down for that chunk |
| 18:10 |
hmmmm |
i also think i know the reason why my lighting algorithm doesn't work right, and sadly i might have to do a lot more computations than i wanted |
| 18:11 |
hmmmm |
but the reason that i suspect doesn't explain the unlit tree bases |
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PilzAdam |
hmmmm, +1 for the menu |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
nice clouds in menu |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5106 |
| 19:06 |
rubenwardy |
and thexyz, PilzAdma |
| 19:07 |
PilzAdam |
I like the background |
| 19:07 |
PilzAdam |
thats all |
| 19:08 |
rubenwardy |
It looks to similar to minecraft.net |
| 19:08 |
rubenwardy |
*too |
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| 19:37 |
proller |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/512 |
| 20:11 |
hmmmm |
oh, proller, you need to use minetest.setting_getbool otherwise it'll execute if true or false |
| 20:11 |
hmmmm |
i'll take care of that, though. |
| 20:23 |
hmmmm |
also i'm gonna have to break up the lines a little |
| 20:24 |
hmmmm |
realbadangel has this habit of making really long lines, like 120 characters, which is well over the 80 character limit, but you outdo everybody else with 235 column lines |
| 20:34 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/51ab87585a0e0db8ce67c79dfeeda6bc15d5d59e#L0R50 |
| 20:35 |
hmmmm |
hmmmm, |
| 20:35 |
hmmmm |
oh crap i'm sorry |
| 20:35 |
PilzAdam |
:-) |
| 20:35 |
hmmmm |
it's... i can't help it |
| 20:35 |
hmmmm |
my fingers just do pliz |
| 20:36 |
Exio |
nyan cat floating in the air? |
| 20:37 |
PilzAdam |
I guess you can --amend here |
| 20:37 |
hmmmm |
yea |
| 20:37 |
Exio |
i throught they were only underground |
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| 20:37 |
hmmmm |
they're not |
| 20:38 |
hmmmm |
hrmmmm how am i going to do this.... perhaps i stash, reset soft, amend, push, reset, apply |
| 20:41 |
PilzAdam |
Exio, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=40202#p40202 |
| 20:42 |
sapier |
looks like an earhquake happened ;-) |
| 20:45 |
hmmmm |
crap |
| 20:46 |
hmmmm |
>mfw i just realize i'm doing all this in branch liquid |
| 20:55 |
celeron55 |
normal git usage |
| 20:55 |
celeron55 |
pull upstream master - oh it was stable-0.3 |
| 20:58 |
sapier |
celeron what do you think about this, is there any (major) feature missing? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/495 |
| 21:05 |
celeron55 |
i see some discussion about metatables |
| 21:05 |
sapier |
yes metatables are a open issue with security |
| 21:05 |
celeron55 |
manipulating them can't be enabled for sandboxed code |
| 21:05 |
celeron55 |
there is no way of doing that securely |
| 21:05 |
sapier |
yes but it can't be disabled for current minetest implementation |
| 21:06 |
celeron55 |
how so? |
| 21:06 |
sapier |
builtin uses raw access therefore it requires to access metatables too |
| 21:07 |
celeron55 |
you can just grab setmetatable and getmetatable to local variables in there and hide them after loading builtin |
| 21:07 |
celeron55 |
simple stuff |
| 21:08 |
sapier |
I'll have a look at it again but I think it's not exactly that easy i think it would break serialize/desirialize too |
| 21:08 |
celeron55 |
serialization doesn't care at all about any metatables |
| 21:11 |
celeron55 |
stop thinking so complicatedly 8) |
| 21:11 |
sapier |
I'll have a look at it it's some time since I authored this I'm not exactly sure why this wasn't as easy to replace as other things |
| 21:12 |
sapier |
I tried to change as less as possible as there are strong objections against security ... at least this is my impression |
| 21:12 |
celeron55 |
all objection against 1) security with obvious holes and 2) unnecessary restrictions in the name of "security" are valid |
| 21:13 |
celeron55 |
if you allow metatables for mods, it's like you had no restrictions whatsoever |
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| 21:13 |
sapier |
there where objections against prohibiting calling arbitrary host applications .... if this is unnecessary ... ;-) |
| 21:13 |
sapier |
all other objections are valid yes |
| 21:14 |
sapier |
ok not all but some |
| 21:14 |
hmmmm |
christ.... i just encountered two xorg problems back to back |
| 21:15 |
sapier |
I know if there is any hole it can be exploited it's enough but that doesn't mean to make it as easy as io.execute("rm ~/*") |
| 21:15 |
sapier |
the metatable problem needs to be fixed too but in between the other improovements are better than nothing |
| 21:16 |
proller |
hmmmm, now better? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/512/files |
| 21:17 |
hmmmm |
t.t |
| 21:17 |
hmmmm |
i did all of that stuff already |
| 21:20 |
proller |
ups. thank you 8-) |
| 21:21 |
hmmmm |
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:21 |
hmmmm |
to everybody: when i point out something with your pull request, if it's minor, i'll fix it on my own before committing, so don't bother |
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sapier |
celeron setmetatabe is used for all register functions therefore it doesn't seem to be easy to disable |
| 21:30 |
proller |
hmmmm, about json for noise params: it allows to make unlimited number of params, without defining them with default values |
| 21:32 |
proller |
like celeron55's idea about noise of noise - no problem to add 3-5 params for noise of scale, etc |
| 21:32 |
sapier |
so unless register functions aren't replaced by minetest functions it can't be disabled |
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rark |
Hi, I'm having trouble with the buildscript. Can someone try to give me a little guidance? |
| 22:09 |
rark |
I have a vanilla Ubuntu server installation with mingw, cmake, and assorted archiving utilities(such as p7zip-full) to extract the downloaded files. |
| 22:10 |
rark |
I'm told by cmake that my compiler(installed through APT) failed to compile a simple test program. |
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rark |
When told it fails, it fails with Cmake reporting the compiler gave blank output. |
| 22:12 |
rark |
The compiler in question is /usr/bin/i586-mingw32msvc-gcc |
| 22:13 |
sapier |
apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:13 |
sapier |
mingw is windows compiler you don't need it |
| 22:14 |
sapier |
did you (re)run cmake prior calling make? |
| 22:15 |
sapier |
btw this rool is for developers plz move to #minetest for questions like that |
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rark |
Sorry, I'll head right over. |
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