Time  Nick         Message
00:37 VanessaE     well the thing is, I'm not so sure the distance sorting works.
00:37 VanessaE     I've seen stuff in the distance load before stuff closer to the player does
00:54 sapier       vanessae block priorization is done by querying blocks if a block is in there once It's gonna be loaded so if you turn distant blocks in old direction may be loaded prior to near ones in new direction
00:55 sapier       https://github.com/sapier/minetest/pull/new/security_v2 maybe security can be added if it's disabled by default :-(
03:26 kmmmmm       hello
08:20 celeron55    < sapier> off topic I've added seek support to fileapi some days ago
08:20 celeron55    wtf
08:21 celeron55    you should just wrap the regular lua stuff but only allow opening files from a certain location
08:22 celeron55    limiting what operations someone can do on a file is not security, it's just idiotic
08:24 celeron55    like: function open_secure_file(name) if not filename_is_secure(name) then return nil end return io.open(safe_directory.."/"..name) end
08:25 * celeron55  shakes his head once again
08:25 proller      celeron55, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/492
08:35 celeron55    thexyz: re. http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-02-16#i_2876764 - fixing this should be your first priority because most probably it was caused by the freetype patch
08:36 celeron55    even reverting is better than not fixing it in a few days
08:37 celeron55    because it's very bad
08:45 thexyz       any idea how to reproduce this?
08:45 thexyz       http://pastebin.com/NbxEtUs5
08:48 celeron55    umm... you need to run the game, not only the menu
08:49 thexyz       I did
08:49 thexyz       oh, well, apparently, wrong log
08:51 thexyz       still, it works
08:52 thexyz       ok, I can also test it in windows
08:52 thexyz       once I install one
08:52 celeron55    i can't try anything at the moment, but i could give it a try in 12 hours
08:54 celeron55    hmm, actually, i *can* try it
08:54 celeron55    because it should be able to fail as a server too
08:55 celeron55    oh by the way
08:55 celeron55    po/ro/minetest.po: warning: Charset "CHARSET" is not a portable encoding name.
08:55 celeron55    po/ko/minetest.po: warning: Charset "CHARSET" is not a portable encoding name.
08:56 thexyz       those weren't changed at all
08:56 thexyz       http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/
08:56 thexyz       I guess I'll just remove them, right?
08:58 celeron55    apparently the headers in the new translations are not filled in
08:58 celeron55    the old ones have UTF-8 as charset and a proper author and date and whatever
08:58 thexyz       yes, because those are not "new translations" but minetest.pot copied
08:59 thexyz       weblate adjust headers as soon as someone touches the translation
08:59 celeron55    ok; just let them be then
09:02 celeron55    when i do LC_ALL=fi_FI bin/minetestserver, i get
09:02 celeron55    bin/minetestserver: warning: could not set default locale
09:02 celeron55    11:05:21: ERROR[main]: Could not set numeric locale to C
09:02 celeron55    but it doesn't fail
09:03 celeron55    shit, i don't even have fi_FI, that explains
09:10 thexyz       it works fine on russian winxp for me too
09:10 celeron55    by quick testing, it doesn't seem to fail
09:11 celeron55    could it be some strange combination of not having UTF-8 locales and not having locales with . as decimal points?
09:11 celeron55    or... something
09:14 thexyz       lua has its own os.setlocale so the workaround for this problem may be to add os.setlocale('C') somewhere
09:15 thexyz       to the top of builtin.lua maybe
09:15 thexyz       too bad PilzAdam is not here
09:17 thexyz       http://pastebin.com/zcQbw7DP
09:30 rubenwardy   what is wrong with the main loop?
09:30 rubenwardy   " badly structured main loop (which works well, though). "
09:35 rubenwardy   also, is there an up-to-date todo list anywhere?
09:36 rubenwardy   ping: thexyz, celeron55
09:37 thexyz       sure there is
09:37 thexyz       https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues?state=open
09:39 rubenwardy   oh, off course
09:39 rubenwardy   of
09:48 thexyz       celeron55: apparently, it fixes the issue https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/494
09:59 celeron55    thexyz: good
09:59 thexyz       I'm commiting it then, right?
10:00 celeron55    i guess there is no reason not to
10:00 celeron55    hmm
10:00 celeron55    you might want to ask tforsman to try running the C++ unit tests
10:01 celeron55    they test some Settings stuff that should make sure that decimal points work properly in there too
10:03 celeron55    actually; the main configuration has so many values with decimal points that tem failing should be surely noticeable
10:03 celeron55    them*
10:54 rubenwardy   does this go in a .h or a .cpp? http://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen
11:10 celeron55    .h, altough you'll probably want to implement stuff like MapgenTest::makeChunk in a .cpp
11:15 rubenwardy   http://pastebin.com/5BFCXJPv
11:15 rubenwardy   woops
11:15 rubenwardy   http://pastebin.com/QypS4ghU
11:16 rubenwardy   nm
11:16 rubenwardy   hmmm
11:16 rubenwardy   11:16:36: ERROR[main]: EmergeManager: mapgen "plus" not registered
11:16 rubenwardy   Segmentation fault (core dumped)
11:18 celeron55    lol, it segfaults if a mapgen is not found?
11:19 celeron55    if you add it with registerMapgen("plus", new MapgenFooFactory()), it shouldn't be able to fail that way
11:20 thexyz       celeron55: have you seen https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/492 yet?
12:52 celeron55    thexyz: what are your opinions on it as-is?
12:57 celeron55    i can see some minor details to be fixed, but as a non-player and a non-server-maintainer i can't really judge
12:59 celeron55    my main doubts are about security, as it that makes it completely trivial to get many players to connect to anything, not even requiring any "social engineering"
12:59 celeron55    -it
13:07 thexyz       celeron55: isn't that true about any server list done that way?
13:08 proller      internet is unsecure by design
13:12 celeron55    maybe we should try to break client security before taking that into use
13:13 celeron55    just to make sure doing it isn't too small a matter
13:19 celeron55    there are practically three points that could be exploitable
13:21 celeron55    1) the minetest protocol, 2) external libraries handling stuff from the server like libpng and libogg, 3) irrlicht's handling of data coming from the server (models; is there anything else?)
13:23 celeron55    1 is probably best handled by just looking through everything for obvious bad data handling (or generating some randomized packets if that much effort is used)
13:24 celeron55    2 by looking up the versions commonly built with minetest and seeing if there are known exploits for them
13:24 celeron55    3 probably similarly to 1
13:44 * celeron55  is reading through Client::ProcessData()
13:45 celeron55    there are way too many older things done with bare indices in here; would be a good investment to convert them to the later stringstream way
13:47 celeron55    also, even more than that, there are separetely read and buffered deserializations while later the istream-reading readX() functions were added
13:48 celeron55    i refuse to even attempt to try to proofread this 8)
13:57 celeron55    looking into 2 now...
14:02 celeron55    this isn't particularly convincing
14:16 celeron55    not too bad, but there's no magic here; overflow bugs have been found in roughly everything
14:16 celeron55    irrlicht's model loading code looks like something that could contain many problems without being immediately apparent
14:17 celeron55    because there's a lot of it and it isn't in such large use as libpng/jpeg/ogg/vorbis/whatever is
14:18 RealBadAngel hi all
14:18 RealBadAngel celeron55, will you do something more with main  menu layout?
14:19 celeron55    i'm quessing we'll have to find the problems in the hard way; i won't be surprised at all if irrlicht or the MT protocol prove easily vulnerable
14:19 RealBadAngel coz i noticed lately one thing, when played in full screen. theres no exit to os from menu...
14:19 celeron55    RealBadAngel: no i won't
14:21 RealBadAngel too bad :( btw i have a problem with rotating textures for nodeboxes
14:22 celeron55    i'm not disallowing others from doing it though
14:22 celeron55    which should be obvious)
14:22 celeron55    +(
14:22 RealBadAngel flipping with use size and *-1 to size doesnt work there
14:23 celeron55    you can't rotate textures using texture coordinates
14:23 celeron55    you have to rotate them using vertex indices or vertices itself
14:23 RealBadAngel but when i need flip and rotation too?
14:23 RealBadAngel one can have with vertices
14:24 celeron55    i don't understand what you are saying
14:24 RealBadAngel lemme show you code for regular nodes
14:25 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/2XguFdB9
14:25 RealBadAngel this is how i made rotations
14:26 RealBadAngel vertex part work with nodeboxes, flipping doesnt
14:27 celeron55    i don't get what you mean by vertex part and flipping part
14:27 RealBadAngel rotations are made with vertices
14:28 RealBadAngel flipping with texture size
14:28 RealBadAngel tile.texture.pos.Y += tile.texture.size.Y;
14:28 RealBadAngel tile.texture.size.Y *= -1;
14:28 RealBadAngel this is flip over X
14:29 RealBadAngel it does work for texturing regular nodes
14:29 celeron55    why do you need to do that
14:29 RealBadAngel because of facedir rotations
14:30 RealBadAngel some tiles require flip and rotation together
14:30 celeron55    why would they
14:31 RealBadAngel because it is so
14:31 RealBadAngel i havent invented it
14:32 celeron55    can't you do a flip and a rotation by using vertices only?
14:33 RealBadAngel teoretically i could
14:33 celeron55    that might make some backface culling problems, or alternatively your current way does and it wouldn't
14:33 RealBadAngel but then texture is not correctly shown
14:33 RealBadAngel yes
14:33 RealBadAngel i got texture visible inside of cuboid
14:34 RealBadAngel and invisible from outside
14:35 celeron55    i still don't understand why it might work like that - it would seem natural for it to work right by just rotating vertices
14:35 RealBadAngel it doesnt
14:35 celeron55    maybe something flips them somewhere hidden from you
14:36 celeron55    or maybe you should actually rotate 180 degrees more rather than flipping, or something 8)
14:36 RealBadAngel when i do flip with vertices result is ok
14:36 RealBadAngel but shown on the wrong side of face
14:36 RealBadAngel from inside the box
14:36 celeron55    you already said that, why are you repeating it
14:37 RealBadAngel to point i tried everythin
14:37 RealBadAngel notice im tryin to avoid ^transform
14:38 celeron55    anyway, i don't have any solutions to you
14:39 RealBadAngel i will ask another way, is texturing nodeboxes any way different than regular nodes?
14:42 RealBadAngel there was an issue with coords of boxes, that they have to be sorted
14:42 RealBadAngel maybe that is somehow related?
14:44 RealBadAngel nvm, i will find out
14:46 RealBadAngel btw, somebody would mind if i make texturing every single box not just whole nodebox list?
14:48 RealBadAngel thats actually easy to make
14:50 jin_xi       different testures for each box in a nodebox model? yes, i think that would be nice
15:02 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: +1000
15:06 RealBadAngel consider it done then
15:08 RealBadAngel VanessaE, have you tried my facedir tree?
15:08 VanessaE     not yet.
15:09 VanessaE     doing it now.
15:09 RealBadAngel pick the lua mod too
15:10 VanessaE     master branch of your repo?
15:10 RealBadAngel you can use it on nodeboxes too, just textures are badly rotated on them
15:10 RealBadAngel yes
15:11 RealBadAngel i need an idea how to make it work for nodeboxes so good as for regular nodes
15:12 RealBadAngel for small nodeboxes its hard to pick proper face to rotate it
15:12 RealBadAngel thx to also small selection boxes
15:13 VanessaE     override the default selection box when using the screwdriver/crowbar then
15:13 RealBadAngel selection box is defined with node
15:15 RealBadAngel but i can transform it, maybe i can also alter it at all? will have to try
15:16 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: see pm
15:38 VanessaE     is there a particular reason the server no longer prints a mod's missing dependencies to the terminal on failure?
15:39 Calinou      failed asserts
15:39 VanessaE     10:34:32: ERROR[main]: The following mods have unsatisfied dependencies: technic
15:39 VanessaE     ok, it wasn't hard to figure out what it wanted.
15:40 VanessaE     but why is the engine/server/whatever no longer bothering to tell me WHAT was missing?
15:40 Calinou      I get failed asserts when having a missing dep when starting a dedicated server :P
15:40 Calinou      exiting gracefully would be better
15:46 celeron55    VanessaE: that's probably done by doserj's mod selection UI changes
15:46 celeron55    VanessaE: ask him
15:46 celeron55    or whoever that was
15:46 VanessaE     probably.
15:56 VanessaE     I'll make a point of mentioning this when I see him next.
16:43 PilzAdam     celeron55, http://minetest.net/download.php <- I use mingw too; maybe add that my builds have gettext and ttf support
17:11 celeron55    mingw added; i don't really want to flood that page with information so i won't add anything else
17:12 Calinou      is there any use for links to 0.4.3/0.4.1/0.3.1?
17:13 celeron55    dunno; but i consider it good practice because sometimes people do need old versions
17:13 celeron55    nothing is more annoying than not being able to get one when you need it :P
17:14 PilzAdam     Calinou, AFAIK there are still some 0.3.1 server
17:14 VanessaE     ...which is really surprising
17:14 VanessaE     (redcrab maintains one, madchicken also I think)
17:14 celeron55    0.3.1 is a relatively solid game
17:14 celeron55    not a good community sandbox, but a game
17:15 Calinou      redcrab runs a 0.4_20120106 server too
17:16 celeron55    it's quite different in philosophy than 0.4; i'd really like it if somebody made an appropriately solid and updated (in the right spirit) fork out of it
17:16 Calinou      noone goes to that server today :P
17:16 Calinou      a modless 0.4.4 is pretty much an improved 0.3.1
17:16 Calinou      noone forces you to install mods
17:16 celeron55    not really
17:17 VanessaE     well there's the caveat that you'd need a mobs mod and something to re-add jungle trees.
17:17 VanessaE     if you wanted a 0.4.4 that was at least equivalent to 0.3.x
17:17 Calinou      I have a simplemobs mod which puts oerkki/rats and DMs back
17:17 Calinou      still lags like hell most of the time :)
17:17 Calinou      (I forked pilzadam's simplemobs to remove the dirt/stone/sand monsters, nothing else)
17:17 Calinou      and celeron55 made a branch which adds jungles and dungeons back (why wasn't it merged?)
17:18 VanessaE     because moretrees is superior to default jungles ;)
17:18 celeron55    because there was so much going on with the mapgen at that time
17:18 PilzAdam     hasnt hmmmm added mg_flags to readd jungles an dungenons?
17:18 celeron55    i might do that some day now (if nobody else does)
17:18 celeron55    he did?
17:19 PilzAdam     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/97260d09a8e658b6ded7d9100b0aa1040fcfe50f
17:19 PilzAdam     seems they have no use currently
17:19 Calinou      what about jungles?
17:20 Calinou      and when you enable the flag, do they actually generate?
17:20 PilzAdam     I think forests are jungles
17:21 Calinou      do they have jungle trees? /P
17:21 PilzAdam     <PilzAdam> seems they have no use currently
20:32 F00          ...
20:33 F00          With the new physics, going down a ladder with fast move causes 6 damage, doing the same in water does 3
20:36 F00          Knee-jerk fix might be "disable fall damage when swimming or climbing", but then there's still the issue of flying ~10 blocks into the air at the top of the ladder/water
21:33 hmmmm        oh yeah i didn't do that yet
21:33 hmmmm        they have no current use
21:34 hmmmm        but i know a lot of people liked dungeons and jungles, and they were kind of removed on a whim, so the option for them should at least be there
22:07 VanessaE     so I guess I should drop them from moretrees?
22:08 VanessaE     :(
22:18 hmmmm        sometime later when i actually implement it..
22:18 VanessaE     ok
22:18 hmmmm        there's a ridiculous amount of stuff i need to do
22:19 VanessaE     maybe by then I'll have tuned the jungle trees to be "just right", and you can use my models :-)
22:19 hmmmm        one problem at a time.  right now it's emergethread.
22:19 VanessaE     I understand.  There's no rush
22:19 hmmmm        just got home from school, gotta eat, then take a nap, then i'll be able to do something