Time  Nick         Message
01:05 hmmmm        what is travis exactly?
01:39 marktraceur  hmmmm: It's a continuous integration tool
01:39 marktraceur  hmmmm: Basically the idea is, we configure it for a trigger, the trigger fires, and a build happens
01:39 marktraceur  hmmmm: In theory, we could build every git commit after it's pushed, but that might be too much
01:39 marktraceur  hmmmm: Maybe daily builds would be fine
01:40 hmmmm        that sounds like it's discrete, not continuous
01:40 hmmmm        there is no such thing as discrete integration, it ought to be called a 'finite series'
01:42 marktraceur  hmmmm: The point is, automatic builds.
17:26 celeron55    thexyz: what kind of backups do you take of the forum?
17:27 thexyz       full sql backup ATM
17:27 thexyz       shall I add avatars backup?
17:27 thexyz       (or any other media punbb has)
17:28 celeron55    that is quite unimportant; the important thing is to have good backups of the sql
17:28 celeron55    (i define "good" as what i did - at least weekly, on a completely different computer)
17:29 thexyz       those are taken every day at 3:10 MSK, gzipped, encrypted, emailed to me and uploaded to hetzner backup ftp
17:29 thexyz       is that enough?)
17:29 celeron55    yes 8)
17:30 VanessaE     no, you forgot to have them laser-engraved into a marble slab for storage in a retired missile silo ;)
17:34 celeron55    thexyz: i think i'll set up a simple http page on c55.me at some point to which you can set up uploads too, so two people have access to them (which should be quite catastrophe-safe)
17:34 thexyz       ok
17:34 thexyz       btw, how should I send you a key?
17:38 celeron55    dunno, somehow safe-ish i guess...
17:38 thexyz       well, pm me your public RSA key then
17:50 iqualfragile thexyz: i think it would be a bit safer for him to put it onto his website
18:54 SiegeWizard  Hello
18:54 SiegeWizard  Is there anyone online?
18:55 PilzAdam     yes?
18:56 sfan5        yes
18:57 SiegeWizard  Im new to minetest
18:57 SiegeWizard  And i would wonder
18:57 PilzAdam     this is the development channel
18:57 SiegeWizard  if anyone could tell me how could i contribute
18:58 SiegeWizard  i know how to program quite well
18:58 PilzAdam     go to #minetest
18:58 SiegeWizard  i know its the development channel
18:58 SiegeWizard  thats why im in here
18:59 SiegeWizard  i was wondering
18:59 SiegeWizard  if you were looking for C programmers
18:59 sfan5        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest go there download the repo (best with git)
19:06 marktraceur  SiegeWizard: The answer is "absolutely!"
19:06 marktraceur  SiegeWizard: We'd love to have someone working with us on the engine, do please play around with the game and work on anything you'd like
19:06 marktraceur  There are also bugs listed in the GitHub issue tracker
19:08 SiegeWizard  I think that the bug list could be an easy way of playing arround with the code
19:08 SiegeWizard  that you all
19:08 Calinou      SiegeWizard: documentation is also a good thing to do
19:08 SiegeWizard  thank*
19:08 Calinou      write tutorials, mod documentation...
19:08 Calinou      the core gameplay is documented quite well for now
19:08 Calinou      http://wiki.minetest.com (yes, it's .com)
19:08 hmmmm        there's a regression that causes a lot of choppiness in gameplay that happened sometime in between 0.4.3's release and the current release
19:09 hmmmm        it would be very helpful to find which commit caused this exactly
19:09 Calinou      no difference for me
19:09 Calinou      hmmmm: shaders?
19:09 hmmmm        nah. they
19:09 Calinou      make sure you use same video settings and resolution to test
19:09 hmmmm        nah, they're cpu spikes*
19:10 Calinou      CPU usage is ok when playing minetest for me
19:10 marktraceur  SiegeWizard: If you want to document the engine, you can use http://dev.minetest.net
19:10 Calinou      (it can only go up to 12.5% anyway :-D)
19:10 hmmmm        it is noticably worse for me
20:10 hmmmm        celeron55, everything is completely ready... http://pastebin.com/1FnSr6yR   https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/no_mgv7
20:12 Calinou      mapgen v7 hater :-D
20:13 PilzAdam     i spawned like 20 meter above ground
20:23 RealBadAngel hmmm, tried to compile it and got: http://pastebin.com/H0ugkCYM
20:23 hmmmm        you gotta be kidding me
20:23 hmmmm        #@$#$!@#
20:26 hmmmm        RealBadAngel, in porting.h on line 53, try adding #include <stdint.h> and try again
20:26 RealBadAngel ok
20:28 hmmmm        i guess for me, stdint.h gets included implicitly through some strange concoction of other includes that doesn't work for linux
20:28 PilzAdam     it builds fine for me (kubuntu)
20:28 Calinou      you use windows?
20:28 Calinou      i'm going to try to build it
20:28 hmmmm        no.
20:28 Calinou      *BSD?
20:28 hmmmm        yeah
20:28 Calinou      lol
20:28 RealBadAngel it compiles further now
20:29 hmmmm        RBA, what's the next error
20:29 RealBadAngel no errors by now
20:29 hmmmm        oh okay
20:29 RealBadAngel 62% atm
20:29 hmmmm        i thought you meant "it errored again but got further than last time"
20:29 Calinou      lol, there is a yay_new_branch
20:29 hmmmm        that was celeron's name suggestion
20:30 Calinou      compiling
20:30 hmmmm        ahh it's going to be so good to have all this crap included so i can finally work on some different things
20:30 hmmmm        first on my list is add the new lua crap.
20:31 Calinou      finished
20:31 Calinou      RealBadAngel: beat you to it
20:31 hmmmm        what cpu you got
20:31 PilzAdam     hmmmm, I always spawn too high
20:31 hmmmm        pilzadam, always?
20:31 PilzAdam     2 times
20:32 hmmmm        that's interesting..... nobody else seems to be having that problem... does the terrain look okay?
20:32 PilzAdam     2 out of 2
20:32 hmmmm        lemme try a bunch more times and see
20:32 PilzAdam     yea, everything else is perfect
20:32 RealBadAngel hmmmm, its ok now, compiled it
20:32 hmmmm        great
20:32 hmmmm        pilzadam, by "too high" you literally mean 20 blocks
20:32 Calinou      hmmmm: i7-2600K (not overclocked)
20:32 hmmmm        nodes rather
20:32 Calinou      using make -j8
20:33 hmmmm        calinou, same here just about :p
20:33 PilzAdam     hmmmm, 10 to 20 nodes
20:33 hmmmm        try once more
20:33 Calinou      hmmmm: what features does that branch bring? it seems to be based on 0.4.3, but nothing really changed
20:33 hmmmm        calinou, you mean master?
20:33 Calinou      terrain looks "normal" (like it would look with normal minetest)
20:33 Calinou      erm sry, i was using master
20:33 Calinou      forgot to checkout branch
20:33 PilzAdam     hmmmm, and again
20:33 PilzAdam     too high
20:33 hmmmm        okay
20:33 hmmmm        this is very interesting
20:33 hmmmm        and you say you were on kubuntu
20:33 Calinou      building again..
20:34 Calinou      i'm on xubuntu 12.10 btw
20:34 Calinou      PilzAdam: 12.10 too?
20:34 PilzAdam     yep
20:34 PilzAdam     and again too high, 4 out of 4
20:35 hmmmm        do you take damage from falling?
20:35 PilzAdam     i have disabled it
20:35 PilzAdam     lemme try
20:35 Calinou      http://paste.ubuntu.com/1546630/ <= I always get these errors with any minetest version when built, at the end
20:35 hmmmm        those aren't errors
20:36 PilzAdam     hmmmm, yes, i get damage
20:36 Calinou      i'm now using the branch, mapgen looks similar.
20:36 hmmmm        hmmmm
20:36 Calinou      i know, these are warnings, yeah
20:36 Calinou      <hmmmm> hmmmm <= lol
20:36 hmmmm        calinou, someday we will go through and fix all the warnings
20:36 hmmmm        gotta stay focused for now though
20:36 hmmmm        man it kills me to ignore all the other problems
20:36 PilzAdam     hmmmm, strange, I get no hurt screen and when I relogin the health gets restored
20:37 hmmmm        pilzadam, i just turned on damage and i take damage when spawning too
20:37 hmmmm        i thought it was "odd" because it seemed like i would only spawn 4-5 blocks above ground
20:37 hmmmm        my perception must've been off
20:38 hmmmm        okay, i'll change something really quick.
20:39 PilzAdam     what about the wrong damage handling?
20:39 hmmmm        that's 100% unrelated to my work
20:39 hmmmm        that's another bug for another day
20:39 PilzAdam     okay, will keep it in mind
20:39 hmmmm        okay, in server.cpp:4852, change groundheight+1 to groundheight-2
20:40 hmmmm        see how much that helps
20:40 PilzAdam     not much
20:41 hmmmm        did you take damage in the current master of minetest?  just curious
20:43 PilzAdam     nope, I spawn directly on the ground
20:44 hmmmm        personally i like it a bit more if you drop onto the ground when starting a new map... it gives you the feeling that you were "dropped" into this piece of land by something
20:44 hmmmm        but it's not correct behavior and you take fall damage
20:44 Calinou      fake fall damage actually
20:44 PilzAdam     I like the idea too
20:44 Calinou      it's a bug ;)
20:44 Calinou      also, you don't alwyas fall
20:44 Calinou      imo you should always spawn at a certain height, like 80
20:45 hmmmm        it's better than the alternative, right?  spawning stuck into the ground
20:45 hmmmm        alright hold on.
20:46 Calinou      never spawned stuck in the ground
20:46 PilzAdam     btw, does the minetest.register_biome() function work with your v6?
20:46 hmmmm        no, v6 doesn't make use of biomes
20:46 hmmmm        sorry i left it in there
20:50 hmmmm        okay weird.
20:51 hmmmm        i am not seeing the problem
20:58 hmmmm        this is very odd.  when i respawn from dying i respawn right on the ground, no falling at all
20:59 hmmmm        when i spawn from a new map, i spawn semi-highish
20:59 hmmmm        and take fall damage that goes away when i log back on
22:15 Wuzzy2       Is it currently possible to add a light source which emits (for instance) red light?
22:15 PilzAdam     no
22:15 Wuzzy2       darn it :-(
22:15 Wuzzy2       And why is this so?
22:16 PilzAdam     only one light value is stored, for every node edge
22:16 PilzAdam     if colored light would be added, you have to strore 3 values
22:16 Wuzzy2       so currently there is no RGB stuff, only a "brightness" thing, right?
22:17 PilzAdam     yep
22:17 Wuzzy2       oh, I understand
22:17 Wuzzy2       Why was that brightness thing chosen in favor of colored light?
22:18 PilzAdam     because its faster to just have on light values
22:18 PilzAdam     -s
22:18 Wuzzy2       faster? faster CPU time? faster network? what do you mean
22:19 PilzAdam     I dunno if the light calculation is done  in CPU or GPU
22:20 Wuzzy2       would it be much hassle to add colored light? would there be any drawbacks?
22:22 PilzAdam     someone need to make some benchmarking if it really increases the light calculation that much
22:27 doserj       lighting is all done on the CPU.
22:29 Wuzzy2       lol so I was right ... by chance :D
22:30 hmmmm        someone did colored lighting
22:31 Wuzzy2       WHAT?
22:31 hmmmm        somebody said that it's 3x slower...
22:31 hmmmm        never verified it though
22:31 Wuzzy2       where do I find it?
22:31 hmmmm        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MWZxyCsbv4
22:31 hmmmm        "minetest colored light"
22:31 sfan5        wasn't that by kahrl?
22:32 hmmmm        looks like Queatz
22:32 Wuzzy2       you are my heroes. I have to d/l this now. :)
22:33 hmmmm        http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1262
22:33 doserj       lighting calculations don't influence fps much, so 3 times slower wouldn't be a big deal
22:33 hmmmm        "Hmm seems to be so different now.  I tried merging but there's a multitude of conflicts and c55 doesn't even want it so probably not unless it has some type of future."
22:34 doserj       it would be a substantial change to the core code, yes
22:34 Wuzzy2       and the link to the github page <https://github.com/Queatz/minetest/tree/colored_light> is 404 -_-
22:46 SiegeWizard  guys, you clame that the code is well comented
22:47 SiegeWizard  i have to disagree
22:47 PilzAdam     who said that?
22:47 SiegeWizard  the work is very impresive but the coments are quite random
22:47 SiegeWizard  I asked if i could help and i was told to read the code, taht is well comented
22:48 SiegeWizard  I seriously think that you need to make a common way of comented things apart from random coments where you think they are necesary
22:49 doserj       nobody said the code is well documented, as far as i know
22:49 PilzAdam     the only thing i can read in the log is that people have suggested that you can do some documentation
22:49 SiegeWizard  <Calinou> the core gameplay is documented quite well for now
22:50 doserj       gameplay != code
22:50 PilzAdam     <Calinou> SiegeWizard: documentation is also a good thing to do
22:50 PilzAdam     <Calinou> write tutorials, mod documentation...
22:50 SiegeWizard  he was talking about the dev wiki?
22:50 SiegeWizard  sorry then missunderstood
22:51 SiegeWizard  still think that the code need to reach an agreement on how to coment
22:51 hmmmm        most of the code is celeron's, the disagreement is basically all his
22:52 hmmmm        in general, /**/ type comments are "topic comments", they're supposed to separate chunks of code, while // comments are just commenting on some bit of code
22:52 SiegeWizard  yes ive seen that
22:53 SiegeWizard  some separation coments with /**/ and random coments on //
22:53 SiegeWizard  what i was trying to say is comments like this one:
22:54 Cybersoft    hi, where would I start if I wanted to use curves and slopes in blocks? does it require code changes or the current code supports it%
22:55 hmmmm        it would require huge code changes.
22:55 SiegeWizard  what i was trying to say was:
22:56 SiegeWizard  it doesnt allow me to wirte it
22:56 PilzAdam     hmmmm, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4297
22:56 hmmmm        ah neato
22:56 Cybersoft    so the engine already support it
22:56 Cybersoft    I think I can delete minecraft now
22:56 SiegeWizard  /* funtion(param1,param2)
22:57 SiegeWizard  * param1:
22:57 SiegeWizard  * param2:
22:57 SiegeWizard  * return:
22:57 SiegeWizard  * description:
22:57 SiegeWizard  */
22:57 hmmmm        microsoft style?
22:57 hmmmm        i think that's a bit too overkill
22:58 hmmmm        a lot of the code is self-documenting, as in, anybody can understand the code to a reasonable extent
22:58 SiegeWizard  commenting on an opensoruce project is never an overkill
22:58 doserj       I'm all for doxygen-style docs
22:58 SiegeWizard  doxygen.style?
22:58 hmmmm        instead of crapping up the code like that, it should be part of a wiki instead
22:58 hmmmm        definitely
23:00 SiegeWizard  well
23:00 SiegeWizard  it still should be comented somehow
23:00 SiegeWizard  and what i proposed is accepted as doxygen
23:01 SiegeWizard  http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/docblocks.html
23:03 SiegeWizard  you only have to add an ! after the /*
23:18 Cybersoft    world generation is handled with a lua script, right?
23:18 Cybersoft    I noticed that the underground seem to be completly opaque with no caves/etc in vanilla, are there random structures generated or is it landscape only in vanilla?
23:20 doserj       world generation is done in c++, not lua. and there are caves, but no random structures like dungeons etc.
23:21 Cybersoft    and as I understand it mods are lua + textures/models, but not c++ right?
23:22 doserj       yes
23:22 Exio         well, ore generation is in lua
23:23 Cybersoft    so if someone does things in c++ there will be an issue with svn and/or doing a fork right?
23:26 RealBadAngel there is some dungeons generations code in mapgen.cpp
23:26 RealBadAngel but its not used
23:41 Cybersoft    so what's the dev situation? what features are being worked on and how many peoples is there on the project?
23:47 RealBadAngel im workin now on L-systems treegen
23:48 RealBadAngel im pretty close to finish the task, now adding just textures, extra objects like saplings, planks etc
23:49 Cybersoft    yeah the trees and the lack of curves/slopes is one of the reason I switched off from minecraft
23:49 Cybersoft    I saw the trees in mythruna, would L-system trees be similar to that?
23:49 RealBadAngel http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4218
23:49 Cybersoft    ie: with curved branches and the like?
23:50 RealBadAngel look for my posts in this topic to see some screenshots
23:51 Cybersoft    yeah those are nice, btw it seems when I mine some ore I don't get the ore neither do I get a drop from the ore block - is that normal?
23:52 RealBadAngel you get the lump from mining ore block
23:53 RealBadAngel install moreores mod to get some more ores btw
23:53 RealBadAngel many other mods depends on it
23:56 SiegeWizard  RBA
23:56 SiegeWizard  did u finish your L-system algorithm?
23:58 SiegeWizard  if you haven't: http://www.nbb.cornell.edu/neurobio/land/OldStudentProjects/cs490-94to95/hwchen/
23:58 SiegeWizard  if you have: nvm
23:58 RealBadAngel engine part of generator is done
23:58 RealBadAngel now im makin use of it
23:59 SiegeWizard  ok
23:59 Cybersoft    where are the block definition/model stored? I used a cactus texture from minecraft, but it seems the cactus block in minetest is larger because I'm getting transparency from the texture and I'd like to adjust it
23:59 RealBadAngel there are already 12 tree models done