Time Nick Message 01:05 kahrl Happy belated New Year, or Happy New Year in advance! 01:06 kahrl or Happy New Year in case you're in Cape Verde or eastern Greenland or the Azores 01:16 iqualfragile or you allready have a happy new year in case you are in germany :D 01:16 iqualfragile since 2 hours 01:27 kahrl indeed, that's where I am :D 01:27 kahrl had too much champagne tonight though :D 01:56 iqualfragile kahrl: na denne: wech vom rechner, ab zur party 02:09 VanessaE kahrl!? 02:09 * VanessaE falls over in shock 02:14 VanessaE well anyway happy new year to all 02:14 celeron55 wat. 02:14 * VanessaE offers champagne 02:14 hmmmm oh yeah new year's in about 3 hours 02:21 VanessaE yup, and husband and I are going to get drunk as skunks :-) 02:21 hmmmm oh wait 02:21 hmmmm kharl is back 02:21 celeron55 it's already 4AM here, have been fighting with setting up a working D compiler on windows that can interoperate with GCC 02:22 hmmmm actually back, or dropping in? 02:22 celeron55 managed to do that with GDC finally 02:22 hmmmm D is too little, too late 02:22 hmmmm as a language i'd have to argue it's ineffective 02:22 celeron55 hmmmm: looks more like "kahrl is too drunk to remember he was going to never come back" 02:22 VanessaE lol 02:23 hmmmm heh 02:24 hmmmm was there a reason why he was never coming back? 02:24 hmmmm did you two get in an argument or something 02:24 celeron55 dunno if it's ineffective, but these goddamn tools for it are either straight from the 90s or have no support or binary packages for windows whatsoever 02:24 celeron55 hmmmm: kahrl disappeared for no apparent reason 02:24 celeron55 somewhat gradually 02:24 hmmmm meh whatever 02:25 hmmmm i should probably be coding right now 02:25 celeron55 i'm yet to hear what this is about 02:25 VanessaE hmmmm: naw, see at this point (given your apparent time of day) you're supposed to be veging out in front of the TV (or live stream) and waiting for the ball to drop. duh. 02:27 hmmmm eh 02:27 hmmmm watching a ball drop is pretty dumb 02:27 hmmmm time ticks on 02:28 hmmmm i had the opportunity to go to NYC to watch it with some friends actually, i declined because i have better things to do 02:30 VanessaE well you were right to decline, if the noise you see on TV every year is any indication.. I wouldn't wanna be there anyway. I'm content to just watch via stream. 02:33 hmmmm so how 'bout that EFNet parsing bug 02:33 hmmmm CAPAB \r\n 02:33 VanessaE EFNet? people still use that? :) 02:34 hmmmm of course 03:26 * kahrl wanders back in a slightly less intoxicated state 03:30 * VanessaE hands kahrl a plate of cheese sandwiches and champagne (depending on whether the intoxication shall be further dampened, or restored ;-) 03:33 * kahrl takes the sandwiches. No more champagne in a while, please :) 03:35 VanessaE well I 03:36 VanessaE ..I'll be popping the cork soon, and plan to get thoroughly smashed :-) 03:37 kahrl Today is a great opportunity, have fun :) 03:38 VanessaE I plan on it 03:38 kaeza back 03:38 kaeza what did I miss? 03:39 kahrl celeron quit minetest 03:39 VanessaE two new MT releases, c55 ... HAH! 03:39 kaeza wat 03:39 kaeza hi kahrl 03:39 kahrl hi kaeza 03:39 kaeza nice to meet you finally 03:40 kahrl nice to meet you as well :) 03:55 iqualfragile ühm… who the fuck is kahrl? 03:57 hmmmm if you have to ask, you'll never know 03:57 iqualfragile :D 03:57 * kahrl just a drunken half-orc hobo 03:57 VanessaE lol 03:57 iqualfragile joa, der film war nicht schlecht,w as? 05:27 * hmmmm puts on his party hat 05:28 * VanessaE is quite sufficiently drunk now :D 05:28 * hmmmm isn't 05:28 VanessaE *hic* P A R T...why? because I gotta! *hic* 05:28 VanessaE (actually I'm quite comfortable, just trying to be funny) 05:29 kaeza yeah right 05:30 * kaeza thinks VanessaE is strawberry woman 05:30 VanessaE lol 05:32 VanessaE any second now c55 is gonna show up and kick my ass out for being too drunk to stay on topic :DDDDDDD 05:34 kaeza lolol 05:34 kaeza maybe he's too drun now to use the computer :P 05:34 kaeza drunk* 05:36 VanessaE lol 05:37 kaeza *russians* 05:37 kaeza lol J/K 05:37 kaeza (no offense of course) 10:09 thexyz umm, kahrl, are you real? 10:12 celeron55 most likely not 10:14 celeron55 it's the same ISP though 10:14 celeron55 as a year ago 10:15 celeron55 but it's a huge german ISP; see SpeedProg just a moment ago - it's the same one 10:18 thexyz celeron55: was he registered at freenode? 10:19 celeron55 i don't know 10:20 Calinou * [kahrl] is logged in as kahrl 10:21 thexyz yeah, and (14:16:30) NickServ: (notice) Registered : May 09 22:16:43 2011 (1 year, 33 weeks, 6 days, 12:01:18 ago) 10:21 Calinou he's also in #mcdevs 10:21 Calinou minecraft channel... 10:21 celeron55 in that case it's probably kahrl 10:22 celeron55 because kahrl has made some minecraft tools 10:23 celeron55 or alternatively kahrl is dead and that is somebody trolling using his client with autoconnected channels and automatic identification to freenode 10:24 celeron55 which sounds unlikely 10:24 Calinou what if he enabled autologin on his computer, or got his password since his HD was unencrypted? :P 18:35 thexyz celeron55: what's the purpose of minetest_game, what mods/items should it have? 18:47 celeron55 thexyz: that is a good question, to which i don't have other answer than it should take some distinct direction 18:47 celeron55 so that it would be a good game without mods, and without copying all content from minecraft 18:48 thexyz ATM the question is: should there be flowers and should there be colored cotton blocks 18:48 celeron55 we'd probably need a minetest_game team who's job would be that, and who could design it without being overly democratic (=boring) 18:49 thexyz sure 18:49 celeron55 cotton? why? what is the difference to wool? 18:49 thexyz we have nothing to craft/get wool from 18:50 thexyz and cotton can be crafted from cotton plant 18:50 celeron55 just make wool from plants, it's functionally the same 8) 18:50 celeron55 one important task of the minetest_game team would be to figure out how to implement mobs and get engine people to fix things needed for it 18:50 thexyz so, rename it to "cotton"? or rename cotton plant to "wool plant" (should be some carnivorous plant) 18:51 celeron55 eh, rename? of course not 18:51 VanessaE celeron55: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4248 18:51 * darkrose likes the carnivorous plant idea 18:52 VanessaE this is the proposed wya to make wool now. 18:52 VanessaE way* 18:52 thexyz and proposed way is to make wool from leaves 18:52 celeron55 i guess the wool plant is the least bad 18:52 VanessaE celeron55: jordach tried that one. the result was... strange. 18:52 celeron55 how about adding the farming mod, and including a wool plant to it 18:52 VanessaE once* 18:53 VanessaE farming is fine by me, but a "wool plant" is just horrible. 18:53 thexyz just like >Wool Weaver 18:53 celeron55 everything is horrible except having some animals to get it from 18:54 VanessaE of course. But in the absence of animals, the least horrible method should probably prevail :) 18:54 celeron55 why not add animals, then? 18:54 VanessaE do we have decent animals to add that won't choke the server? 18:55 celeron55 just something along the lines of the 0.3 rat 18:55 thexyz (having cotton blocks is good idea, IMO) 18:55 celeron55 why is having two blocks doing the exact same thing a good idea? 18:55 celeron55 how does cotton differ from wool? 18:57 thexyz only name differs, and cotton can be crafted from cotton plant, unlike wool 18:57 VanessaE well, 18:58 celeron55 change the description of the wool block to "wool/cotton" 18:58 celeron55 done. 18:58 thexyz sure; btw, why was wool added to minetest_game? 18:58 celeron55 because the native game needed some coloured blocks 18:59 * serengeor is back (gone 00:01:10) 18:59 celeron55 (native? ehm... vanilla, whatever) 18:59 thexyz but players can't craft it 18:59 celeron55 they can use it in creative mode, which was good enough for the time 19:00 Exio the bad thing 'at this moment' of minetest, for me, is only the survival behavior 19:00 * serengeor is away: I'm busy 19:01 celeron55 Exio: ? 19:01 celeron55 serengeor: kill those away messages, now 19:01 Exio celeron55: the game is good for creative 19:01 thexyz or c55 will kill you, serengeor 19:01 celeron55 Exio: i know, and it is painful 19:01 Exio but in survival, you need to install a lot of mods for having a 'small gameplay' 19:01 Exio yep :P 19:01 celeron55 we have a huge number of people who just play around in creative and hate everything remotely survival 19:02 celeron55 and it's bad 19:02 Exio i love survival *and creative* 19:02 * celeron55 points at people 19:02 serengeor aww, I was just testing ;[ 19:02 Exio poor people :P 19:03 Exio maybe some 'very basic farming mod' could be nice 19:04 Exio and btw, isn't the "minimal game" a bit outdated in the mese/others updates? 19:05 celeron55 it isn't supposed to be played 19:05 Exio minimal game in the main repo* 19:05 darkrose no, it's still minimal 19:05 celeron55 it exists for development testing without the dependency to the correct minetest_game version 19:05 Exio well :P 19:05 celeron55 try git bisect without the minimal game' 19:05 celeron55 -'ä 19:05 celeron55 -' 19:05 celeron55 -'+- 19:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, the poll you were pointing at before isnt good, because there are no options like "farming" or something like this 19:06 celeron55 ... 19:06 celeron55 ^ you'll die if you try that 19:07 VanessaE PilzAdam: yeah I know, but I didn't make the poll this time :) 19:11 celeron55 i guess i need to allocate a few hours some day in the near future to add back the mobs 19:13 celeron55 if somebody gets upset because of any aspect of them, i count it as a good thing 19:13 celeron55 so hold the wool workarounds until next week 19:15 Exio hostile mobs too? 19:15 celeron55 of course 19:17 Exio if you add them back, they should use 3d models 19:17 Exio but, what models? 19:18 celeron55 they definitely will not 19:18 celeron55 except after somebody in some distant future cares to do that 19:18 celeron55 people are expecting way too much from everything all the time here; it kills all creativity 19:19 celeron55 stop it 19:52 RealBadAngel hi all 19:53 RealBadAngel celeron55, could you merge this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/378 20:20 RealBadAngel thexyz, or you? 20:21 celeron55 it will just make the world more boring without real reason 20:21 celeron55 "Allow placin blobs of mud and gravel only below water level." 20:21 celeron55 yeah, real fun; as if there weren't caves in mountains 20:21 celeron55 or mountains (well, hills) at all 20:21 RealBadAngel it will not be placin blobs on the trees 20:22 RealBadAngel which actual cavegen loves to do 20:22 celeron55 and it will disallow the generator to make certain kinds of surface formations that it made before and to which the interestingness of mapgenv6 is half based on 20:22 thexyz - s16 route_y_max = -of.Y + stone_surface_max_y + max_tunnel_diameter/2 + 7; 20:22 thexyz + s16 route_y_max = -of.Y + stone_surface_max_y; 20:22 thexyz ^ explain 20:22 RealBadAngel sure, it will not allow makin caves over ground 20:23 RealBadAngel and makin holes in all the trees around 20:23 celeron55 it does more harm than good 20:23 RealBadAngel not really, just replace air with mese in cave gen and see what it does atm 20:24 RealBadAngel dozens of caves floatin in the air, destroyin everythin 20:24 celeron55 it 20:24 celeron55 it's intentional, because the generator has to be able to make caves in all kinds of high land formations too 20:24 RealBadAngel so it still does 20:24 RealBadAngel but not ABOVE ground 20:25 celeron55 no it won't; it cuts a cave before it gets to really do much at all 20:25 celeron55 it's not like the caves would perfectly rise from a perfect location and so 20:25 RealBadAngel i dare to say youre just wrong. just test the changes 20:29 celeron55 you're just plain going against the design of the generator; it's like you removed the tires from a car because you can drive too fast with them 20:30 RealBadAngel im not against anythin, but cave gen is just broken, thats all 20:35 RealBadAngel those changes are just small fixes not any kind of revolution 20:41 RealBadAngel if everythin here was intentional, please explain this: http://realbadangel.pl/caves.png 20:41 RealBadAngel notice caves over clouds... 21:12 VanessaE seems to me the proper solution would be for the cave generator to be the first thing to run right after the terrain is added (before ores, trees, etc) 21:12 VanessaE I guess that's not happening now, hence RBA's attempt to workaround it 21:30 RealBadAngel changin order wont fix anythin, caves still will be flyin all around 21:37 iqualfragile @minetest_game-team: in my opinion its a good idea to have someone care about the game as game (as in GAME wich should be challenging and fun and not as in technical challenge) 21:39 iqualfragile @wool: on my server im using PilzAdams farming (wich contains cotton-plants) as well as sapiers animals, both work quite well, alltrought i had to heavily restrict modframework and decrease the growing-speed of farming as it was just too fast 21:59 RealBadAngel celeron55, please take a look on how caves are formed with those changes. http://pastebin.com/KmNX62aB i made some screenshots on newly generated world 22:13 iqualfragile celeron56 wtf? 22:20 hmmmm [03:24 PM] it's intentional, because the generator has to be able to make caves in all kinds of high land formations too 22:20 hmmmm you do realize that high plateaus wouldn't have caves in them anyway since stone_surface_max_y is always 0 22:21 hmmmm er 22:21 hmmmm wait a minute, i don't get the logic of that line of code at all 22:21 hmmmm why '-of.Y' 22:22 hmmmm why are you adding the stone surface max in the first place 23:09 RealBadAngel celeron55, ive closed that cave gen related pull request