Minetest logo

IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2013-01-01

| Channels | #minetest-dev index | Today | | Google Search | Plaintext

All times shown according to UTC.

Time Nick Message
00:26 iqualfragile joined #minetest-dev
01:04 kahrl joined #minetest-dev
01:05 kahrl Happy belated New Year, or Happy New Year in advance!
01:06 kahrl or Happy New Year in case you're in Cape Verde or eastern Greenland or the Azores
01:16 iqualfragile or you allready have a happy new year in case you are in germany :D
01:16 iqualfragile since 2 hours
01:27 kahrl indeed, that's where I am :D
01:27 kahrl had too much champagne tonight though :D
01:56 iqualfragile kahrl: na denne: wech vom rechner, ab zur party
02:09 VanessaE kahrl!?
02:09 * VanessaE falls over in shock
02:14 VanessaE well anyway happy new year to all
02:14 celeron55 wat.
02:14 * VanessaE offers champagne
02:14 hmmmm oh yeah new year's in about 3 hours
02:21 VanessaE yup, and husband and I are going to get drunk as skunks :-)
02:21 hmmmm oh wait
02:21 hmmmm kharl is back
02:21 celeron55 it's already 4AM here, have been fighting with setting up a working D compiler on windows that can interoperate with GCC
02:22 hmmmm actually back, or dropping in?
02:22 celeron55 managed to do that with GDC finally
02:22 hmmmm D is too little, too late
02:22 hmmmm as a language i'd have to argue it's ineffective
02:22 celeron55 hmmmm: looks more like "kahrl is too drunk to remember he was going to never come back"
02:22 VanessaE lol
02:23 hmmmm heh
02:24 hmmmm was there a reason why he was never coming back?
02:24 hmmmm did you two get in an argument or something
02:24 celeron55 dunno if it's ineffective, but these goddamn tools for it are either straight from the 90s or have no support or binary packages for windows whatsoever
02:24 celeron55 hmmmm: kahrl disappeared for no apparent reason
02:24 celeron55 somewhat gradually
02:24 hmmmm meh whatever
02:25 hmmmm i should probably be coding right now
02:25 celeron55 i'm yet to hear what this is about
02:25 VanessaE hmmmm: naw, see at this point (given your apparent time of day) you're supposed to be veging out in front of the TV (or live stream) and waiting for the ball to drop.  duh.
02:27 hmmmm eh
02:27 hmmmm watching a ball drop is pretty dumb
02:27 hmmmm time ticks on
02:28 hmmmm i had the opportunity to go to NYC to watch it with some friends actually, i declined because i have better things to do
02:30 VanessaE well you were right to decline, if the noise you see on TV every year is any indication..  I wouldn't wanna be there anyway.  I'm content to just watch via stream.
02:33 hmmmm so how 'bout that EFNet parsing bug
02:33 hmmmm CAPAB \r\n
02:33 VanessaE EFNet?  people still use that? :)
02:34 hmmmm of course
02:44 mrtux joined #minetest-dev
03:19 bnd joined #minetest-dev
03:26 * kahrl wanders back in a slightly less intoxicated state
03:30 * VanessaE hands kahrl a plate of cheese sandwiches and champagne (depending on whether the intoxication shall be further dampened, or restored ;-)
03:33 * kahrl takes the sandwiches. No more champagne in a while, please :)
03:35 VanessaE well I
03:36 VanessaE ..I'll be popping the cork soon, and plan to get thoroughly smashed :-)
03:37 kahrl Today is a great opportunity, have fun :)
03:38 kaeza joined #minetest-dev
03:38 VanessaE I plan on it
03:38 kaeza back
03:38 kaeza what did I miss?
03:39 kahrl celeron quit minetest
03:39 VanessaE two new MT releases, c55 ...  HAH!
03:39 kaeza wat
03:39 kaeza hi kahrl
03:39 kahrl hi kaeza
03:39 kaeza nice to meet you finally
03:40 kahrl nice to meet you as well :)
03:51 mrtux joined #minetest-dev
03:55 iqualfragile ühm… who the fuck is kahrl?
03:57 hmmmm if you have to ask, you'll never know
03:57 iqualfragile :D
03:57 * kahrl just a drunken half-orc hobo
03:57 VanessaE lol
03:57 iqualfragile joa, der film war nicht schlecht,w as?
05:22 mrtux joined #minetest-dev
05:27 * hmmmm puts on his party hat
05:28 * VanessaE is quite sufficiently drunk now :D
05:28 mrtux joined #minetest-dev
05:28 * hmmmm isn't
05:28 VanessaE *hic*  P A R T...why?  because I gotta! *hic*
05:28 VanessaE (actually I'm quite comfortable, just trying to be funny)
05:29 kaeza yeah right
05:30 * kaeza thinks VanessaE is strawberry woman
05:30 VanessaE lol
05:32 VanessaE any second now c55 is gonna show up and kick my ass out for being too drunk to stay on topic :DDDDDDD
05:34 kaeza lolol
05:34 kaeza maybe he's too drun now to use the computer :P
05:34 kaeza drunk*
05:36 VanessaE lol
05:37 kaeza *russians*
05:37 kaeza lol J/K
05:37 kaeza (no offense of course)
05:54 SitDog joined #minetest-dev
08:26 darkrose joined #minetest-dev
08:33 darkrose joined #minetest-dev
08:53 darkrose joined #minetest-dev
08:53 darkrose joined #minetest-dev
09:45 Calinou joined #minetest-dev
10:08 SpeedProg joined #minetest-dev
10:09 thexyz umm, kahrl, are you real?
10:12 celeron55 most likely not
10:14 celeron55 it's the same ISP though
10:14 celeron55 as a year ago
10:15 celeron55 but it's a huge german ISP; see SpeedProg just a moment ago - it's the same one
10:18 thexyz celeron55: was he registered at freenode?
10:19 celeron55 i don't know
10:20 Calinou * [kahrl] is logged in as kahrl
10:21 thexyz yeah, and (14:16:30) NickServ: (notice) Registered : May 09 22:16:43 2011 (1 year, 33 weeks, 6 days, 12:01:18 ago)
10:21 Calinou he's also in #mcdevs
10:21 Calinou minecraft channel...
10:21 celeron55 in that case it's probably kahrl
10:22 celeron55 because kahrl has made some minecraft tools
10:23 celeron55 or alternatively kahrl is dead and that is somebody trolling using his client with autoconnected channels and automatic identification to freenode
10:24 celeron55 which sounds unlikely
10:24 Calinou what if he enabled autologin on his computer, or got his password since his HD was unencrypted? :P
10:27 kaeza joined #minetest-dev
10:30 SpeedProg joined #minetest-dev
11:31 Jeija joined #minetest-dev
11:40 bnd joined #minetest-dev
11:43 serengeor joined #minetest-dev
13:13 PilzAdam joined #minetest-dev
13:40 jin_xi joined #minetest-dev
14:06 Calinou joined #minetest-dev
15:09 iqualfragile joined #minetest-dev
15:48 Calinou joined #minetest-dev
15:56 celeron55 joined #minetest-dev
16:10 hmmmm joined #minetest-dev
16:31 darkrose joined #minetest-dev
16:31 darkrose joined #minetest-dev
17:06 mrtux joined #minetest-dev
17:25 iqualfragile joined #minetest-dev
18:11 doserj joined #minetest-dev
18:35 thexyz celeron55: what's the purpose of minetest_game, what mods/items should it have?
18:35 rubenwardy joined #minetest-dev
18:47 celeron55 thexyz: that is a good question, to which i don't have other answer than it should take some distinct direction
18:47 celeron55 so that it would be a good game without mods, and without copying all content from minecraft
18:48 thexyz ATM the question is: should there be flowers and should there be colored cotton blocks
18:48 celeron55 we'd probably need a minetest_game team who's job would be that, and who could design it without being overly democratic (=boring)
18:49 thexyz sure
18:49 celeron55 cotton? why? what is the difference to wool?
18:49 thexyz we have nothing to craft/get wool from
18:50 thexyz and cotton can be crafted from cotton plant
18:50 celeron55 just make wool from plants, it's functionally the same 8)
18:50 celeron55 one important task of the minetest_game team would be to figure out how to implement mobs and get engine people to fix things needed for it
18:50 thexyz so, rename it to "cotton"? or rename cotton plant to "wool plant" (should be some carnivorous plant)
18:51 celeron55 eh, rename? of course not
18:51 VanessaE celeron55: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4248
18:51 * darkrose likes the carnivorous plant idea
18:52 VanessaE this is the proposed wya to make wool now.
18:52 VanessaE way*
18:52 thexyz and proposed way is to make wool from leaves
18:52 celeron55 i guess the wool plant is the least bad
18:52 VanessaE celeron55: jordach tried that one.  the result was...  strange.
18:52 celeron55 how about adding the farming mod, and including a wool plant to it
18:52 VanessaE once*
18:53 VanessaE farming is fine by me, but a "wool plant" is just horrible.
18:53 thexyz just like >Wool Weaver
18:53 celeron55 everything is horrible except having some animals to get it from
18:54 VanessaE of course.  But in the absence of animals, the least horrible method should probably prevail :)
18:54 celeron55 why not add animals, then?
18:54 VanessaE do we have decent animals to add that won't choke the server?
18:55 celeron55 just something along the lines of the 0.3 rat
18:55 thexyz (having cotton blocks is good idea, IMO)
18:55 celeron55 why is having two blocks doing the exact same thing a good idea?
18:55 celeron55 how does cotton differ from wool?
18:57 thexyz only name differs, and cotton can be crafted from cotton plant, unlike wool
18:57 VanessaE well,
18:58 celeron55 change the description of the wool block to "wool/cotton"
18:58 celeron55 done.
18:58 thexyz sure; btw, why was wool added to minetest_game?
18:58 celeron55 because the native game needed some coloured blocks
18:59 * serengeor is back (gone 00:01:10)
18:59 celeron55 (native? ehm... vanilla, whatever)
18:59 thexyz but players can't craft it
18:59 celeron55 they can use it in creative mode, which was good enough for the time
19:00 Exio the bad thing 'at this moment' of minetest, for me, is only the survival behavior
19:00 * serengeor is away: I'm busy
19:01 celeron55 Exio: ?
19:01 celeron55 serengeor: kill those away messages, now
19:01 Exio celeron55: the game is good for creative
19:01 thexyz or c55 will kill you, serengeor
19:01 celeron55 Exio: i know, and it is painful
19:01 Exio but in survival, you need to install a lot of mods for having a 'small gameplay'
19:01 Exio yep :P
19:01 celeron55 we have a huge number of people who just play around in creative and hate everything remotely survival
19:02 celeron55 and it's bad
19:02 Exio i love survival *and creative*
19:02 * celeron55 points at people
19:02 serengeor aww, I was just testing ;[
19:02 Exio poor people :P
19:03 Exio maybe some 'very basic farming mod' could be nice
19:04 Exio and btw, isn't the "minimal game" a bit outdated in the mese/others updates?
19:05 celeron55 it isn't supposed to be played
19:05 Exio minimal game in the main repo*
19:05 darkrose no, it's still minimal
19:05 celeron55 it exists for development testing without the dependency to the correct minetest_game version
19:05 Exio well :P
19:05 celeron55 try git bisect without the minimal game'
19:05 celeron55 -'ä
19:05 celeron55 -'
19:05 celeron55 -'+-
19:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, the poll you were pointing at before isnt good, because there are no options like "farming" or something like this
19:06 celeron55 ...
19:06 celeron55 ^ you'll die if you try that
19:07 VanessaE PilzAdam: yeah I know, but I didn't make the poll this time :)
19:11 celeron55 i guess i need to allocate a few hours some day in the near future to add back the mobs
19:13 celeron55 if somebody gets upset because of any aspect of them, i count it as a good thing
19:13 celeron55 so hold the wool workarounds until next week
19:15 Exio hostile mobs too?
19:15 celeron55 of course
19:17 Exio if you add them back, they should use 3d models
19:17 Exio but, what models?
19:18 celeron55 they definitely will not
19:18 celeron55 except after somebody in some distant future cares to do that
19:18 celeron55 people are expecting way too much from everything all the time here; it kills all creativity
19:19 celeron55 stop it
19:52 RealBadAngel hi all
19:53 RealBadAngel celeron55, could you merge this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/378
20:20 RealBadAngel thexyz, or you?
20:21 celeron55 it will just make the world more boring without real reason
20:21 celeron55 "Allow placin blobs of mud and gravel only below water level."
20:21 celeron55 yeah, real fun; as if there weren't caves in mountains
20:21 celeron55 or mountains (well, hills) at all
20:21 RealBadAngel it will not be placin blobs on the trees
20:22 RealBadAngel which actual cavegen loves to do
20:22 celeron55 and it will disallow the generator to make certain kinds of surface formations that it made before and to which the interestingness of mapgenv6 is half based on
20:22 thexyz -    s16 route_y_max = -of.Y + stone_surface_max_y + max_tunnel_diameter/2 + 7;
20:22 thexyz +    s16 route_y_max = -of.Y + stone_surface_max_y;
20:22 thexyz ^ explain
20:22 RealBadAngel sure, it will not allow makin caves over ground
20:23 RealBadAngel and makin holes in all the trees around
20:23 celeron55 it does more harm than good
20:23 RealBadAngel not really, just replace air with mese in cave gen and see what it does atm
20:24 RealBadAngel dozens of caves floatin in the air, destroyin everythin
20:24 celeron55 it
20:24 celeron55 it's intentional, because the generator has to be able to make caves in all kinds of high land formations too
20:24 RealBadAngel so it still does
20:24 RealBadAngel but not ABOVE ground
20:25 celeron55 no it won't; it cuts a cave before it gets to really do much at all
20:25 celeron55 it's not like the caves would perfectly rise from a perfect location and so
20:25 RealBadAngel i dare to say youre just wrong. just test the changes
20:29 celeron55 you're just plain going against the design of the generator; it's like you removed the tires from a car because you can drive too fast with them
20:30 rob_ joined #minetest-dev
20:30 RealBadAngel im not against anythin, but cave gen is just broken, thats all
20:35 RealBadAngel those changes are just small fixes not any kind of revolution
20:41 RealBadAngel if everythin here was intentional, please explain this: http://realbadangel.pl/caves.png
20:41 RealBadAngel notice caves over clouds...
20:55 RealBadAngel joined #minetest-dev
21:12 VanessaE seems to me the proper solution would be for the cave generator to be the first thing to run right after the terrain is added (before ores, trees, etc)
21:12 VanessaE I guess that's not happening now, hence RBA's attempt to workaround it
21:15 Jeija joined #minetest-dev
21:30 RealBadAngel changin order wont fix anythin, caves still will be flyin all around
21:37 iqualfragile @minetest_game-team: in my opinion its a good idea to have someone care about the game as game (as in GAME wich should be challenging and fun and not as in technical challenge)
21:37 doserj joined #minetest-dev
21:39 iqualfragile @wool: on my server im using PilzAdams farming (wich contains cotton-plants) as well as sapiers animals, both work quite well, alltrought i had to heavily restrict modframework and decrease the growing-speed of farming as it was just too fast
21:59 RealBadAngel celeron55, please take a look on how caves are formed with those changes. http://pastebin.com/KmNX62aB i made some screenshots on newly generated world
22:13 iqualfragile celeron56 wtf?
22:13 bnd joined #minetest-dev
22:20 hmmmm [03:24 PM] <celeron55> it's intentional, because the generator has to be able to make caves in all kinds of high land formations too
22:20 hmmmm you do realize that high plateaus wouldn't have caves in them anyway since stone_surface_max_y is always 0
22:21 hmmmm er
22:21 hmmmm wait a minute, i don't get the logic of that line of code at all
22:21 hmmmm why '-of.Y'
22:22 hmmmm why are you adding the stone surface max in the first place
22:25 doserj joined #minetest-dev
22:35 PilzAdam joined #minetest-dev
23:09 RealBadAngel celeron55, ive closed that cave gen related pull request
23:55 doserj joined #minetest-dev

| Channels | #minetest-dev index | Today | | Google Search | Plaintext