Time  Nick         Message
00:03 jin_xi       i dont understand this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp#L224
00:09 RealBadAngel scaling is dependent only on Y value of screen size
00:12 jin_xi       i see
00:30 RealBadAngel shit
00:31 RealBadAngel i do not BELIVE IT
00:31 RealBadAngel i got it working
00:31 RealBadAngel who made this system in the first place>
00:31 RealBadAngel ???
00:31 RealBadAngel here it is how it works:
00:32 RealBadAngel to show the field.button you define the rectangle, according to the forsmspec coordinates
00:33 RealBadAngel add the padding
00:33 RealBadAngel 0.0 is the left top corner of the formspec
00:33 RealBadAngel to get the same rectangle on the screen
00:34 RealBadAngel you should take 0,0 as the screen corner
00:34 RealBadAngel add shift value to get the formspec postion
00:34 RealBadAngel and sub the padding
00:34 RealBadAngel its FUCKIN INSANE
00:40 RealBadAngel anyway i understood it ;)
00:41 RealBadAngel preparing the patch now
01:44 RealBadAngel celeron55, im ready with the patch to formspec
01:44 RealBadAngel its pulled already
01:46 RealBadAngel fixed also a bug that VanessaE spotted, dragged stacks were drawn before buttons etc
04:11 darkrose     who's trying to ask me shit while I'm asleep?
04:13 dannydark    Think it was RBA according to the log: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-11-30#i_2677383
04:14 dannydark    I'm just reading through it at the moment trying to catch up with what I've missed
04:23 VanessaE     darkrose: didn't you know?  you're supposed to magically absorb info from IRC while sleeping and let it manifest in your dreams.  you know, 0's and 1's floating around (and maybe a 2), commas colliding with semicolons, that sort of thing
04:24 VanessaE     [insert Chuck Norris reference here]
04:25 * darkrose   read that as comas colliding with semicolons
04:26 VanessaE     if you have things colliding with your (semi)colon while in a coma, you got bigger problems than a few lines of code.
04:26 VanessaE     :D
08:09 RealBadAngel hi
08:09 sfan5        hi
08:10 RealBadAngel darkrose, it was me indeed ;) btw made the patch with single commit
08:11 darkrose     cool, just looking it over
08:14 RealBadAngel if youre will wonder what those changes are for try this mod: realbadangel.pl/unified_inventory.zip
08:15 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/unified_inventory.zip
08:24 Calinou      darkrose: could you merge my pull request for minetest_game please? thanks
09:58 RealBadAngel hi celeron55
11:15 Taoki        Can someone merge my anaglyph stereo too? It's waiting for ages
11:17 PilzAdam     Ill test it
11:17 Taoki        PilzAdam: Just merged latest master into it, please get the latest commit
11:19 PilzAdam     is this correct? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/compare/master...anaglyph_rebase1
11:19 PilzAdam     its a rebase created by c55
11:20 Taoki        Ah yes, that's one better
11:20 Taoki        Sure, use that one
11:27 Taoki        RealBadAngel: BTW, regarding the inventory menu. Don't rememver if you read what I said yesterday. My siuggestion is to remove the hard coded inventory menu and make one entirely in lua. Would be easier for any game or mod to customize it then... and now that we can read pressed keys it should be easy
11:28 Taoki        I also suggest the same about the hotbar and all hud items, once lua will allow drawing to the hud
11:31 Taoki        This might be a handy change with the feature to texture menus and all that. The two could go together I believe
11:33 PilzAdam     Taoki, the anaglyph thing seems to work
11:34 Taoki        Yeah. I tested it with 3D glasses too last time and all is good
11:42 PilzAdam     done
11:51 * darkrose   needs to by 3D glasses
11:52 * PilzAdam   too
11:53 Taoki        Red-cyan ones are easy to find and don't cost too much. You should try them out in MineCraft, it looks amazing :)
11:54 Taoki        Funny fact about stereo 3D: Know how in reall life you can focus your eyes at different distances? eg: When you look at something right in front of you you see everything behind it blurred, then when you focus your eyes you see what's behind properly and the object blurred and doubled?
11:54 Taoki        Well, with stereo in MC you can actually focus your eyes on blocks at difcferent distances like real life. Really crazy stuff :)
11:54 Taoki        **different
11:54 PilzAdam     and in Minetest?
11:54 Taoki        No blur obviously, since the screen surface is still at the same distance. But if you look at a torch then at the blocks behind it, you'll see two torches
11:55 Taoki        Well, in MT you do get the 3D effect well, but I'm not sure if focusing eyes works as well. Need to test it
11:55 Taoki        Might work with strength set to -0.1 instead of 0.1 in case it's not cross-eyed
12:37 PilzAdam     Goodbye flying torches: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/318
12:51 darkrose     why not just make it 'attached' the _node seems redundant
12:52 PilzAdam     because its also falling_node
12:53 darkrose     so make that just 'falling' then as well
12:54 PilzAdam     attachment is also used for object too; attached_node prevents confusion
12:56 thexyz       PilzAdam: +1 for this pull
13:01 PilzAdam     thexyz, have you tested it?
13:02 thexyz       no, should i?
13:02 PilzAdam     no,
13:03 PilzAdam     i tested it 1/2 hour
13:04 thexyz       then merge it
13:04 PilzAdam     okay
13:05 PilzAdam     then we need to decide wich nodes in minetest_game should be attached
13:08 PilzAdam     junglegrass, torch, dry shrub, sign, sapling
13:13 PilzAdam     any other ideas?
13:14 darkrose     apples
13:15 PilzAdam     okay
13:15 PilzAdam     what about rails and ladders?
13:15 thexyz       in which direction are apples attached?
13:15 PilzAdam     -y
13:19 thexyz       hm.. let me check some apple trees photos...
13:37 PilzAdam     I will push: junglegrass, rail, torch, sign, sapling and dry shrub
13:37 PilzAdam     anything against this?
13:38 thexyz       it's fine
13:38 PilzAdam     k
13:45 testeree     hi would it be possible to have minetest as shown here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FjuPn7MXMs
13:52 darkrose     that has nothing to do with minetest
14:00 thexyz       minetest.setting_getbool(name) but minetest.setting_get_pos(name) =(
14:40 RealBadAngel hi all
14:41 PilzAdam     hi RBA
14:41 RealBadAngel ive almost finished UI
14:42 RealBadAngel just one feature left
14:43 RealBadAngel gracting guide, im wonderin what to do with technic recipes for alloys, dusts etc
14:43 RealBadAngel theyre not registered ones
14:58 RealBadAngel darkrose: can you merge my patch?
14:58 RealBadAngel im about to release mod that uses it
15:00 darkrose     thexyz: PilzAdam: you guys got anything against this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/317
15:01 celeron55    RealBadAngel: where is the patch?
15:01 PilzAdam     its ok to me
15:02 celeron55    RealBadAngel: you can't expect anyone to consider merging something you haven't even shown yet
15:02 RealBadAngel https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/317
15:02 darkrose     celeron55: it's the pull request I just mentioned, should've highlighted you too
15:03 celeron55    there is a typo right on the first modified line 8)
15:04 RealBadAngel ?
15:04 PilzAdam     titem name
15:04 RealBadAngel shit i already changed that
15:04 RealBadAngel thats why i had 2 commits in the first one
15:05 RealBadAngel but darkrose asked to merge it into one
15:05 celeron55    ?
15:05 RealBadAngel and it popped again
15:05 celeron55    well, you obviously failed to merge it then
15:05 RealBadAngel i will do it right away
15:06 celeron55    is this has_tooltip/tooltip thing something that already existed
15:06 celeron55    or did you add both
15:07 celeron55    because i think there only should be the string one, and a tooltip would be shown if it isn't empty
15:07 darkrose     hah, RealBadAngel you were meant to rebase the typo fix into the main commit, not drop it all together.
15:07 celeron55    handling two variables for one function tends to make bugs
15:08 celeron55    otherwise it seems fine
15:08 RealBadAngel i want to add later tooltips for more stuff
15:09 RealBadAngel fields, regular buttons, images
15:09 celeron55    that doesn't make my point invalid at all
15:09 RealBadAngel so you say has_tooltip is not needed?
15:10 celeron55    that is, remove "bool has_tooltip" and do if(!spec.tooltip.empty()) instead of if(spec.has_tooltip)
15:11 RealBadAngel ok, will do that
15:14 PilzAdam     Ive discovered an odd bug: if shift and E is pressed Minetest handles it like space
15:21 celeron55    how god damn slow can github be...
15:21 celeron55    trying to push stuff there and it's like github wasn't even trying
15:22 PilzAdam     to shaders_v4?
15:23 celeron55    ah, it seems to have went there during some of the tries
15:23 celeron55    (now that i was able to load the page after it failed too....)
15:24 celeron55    anyway, i was going to say that shaders_v4 might be worth a try for those not running an ancient computer
15:24 celeron55    it does some things i've been too lazy to implement to the mesh generator (because it's more complicated) and then a bit more
15:25 celeron55    and runs at <5fps on this laptop at lowest draw distance 8)
15:25 PilzAdam     I will test it
15:25 celeron55    (didn't develop it on this laptop though, obviously)
15:28 celeron55    (runs fine on the crappiest possible sandy bridge at least)
15:29 PilzAdam     the inventory images are a bit brighter (glasslike drawtype etc.)
15:30 PilzAdam     oh, nice water!
15:32 PilzAdam     the lighting looks awesome!
15:34 PilzAdam     normally i play with the not smooth lighting to get the cubic look of lighting; but the new shaders look cubic AND smooth!
15:34 celeron55    the only thing the shader does is it just sets the top brighter than possible with vertex colors
15:35 celeron55    it looks fairly good
15:35 PilzAdam     it looks a bit strange when torches are placed at the side of a node
15:35 celeron55    the look could be implemented with vertex colors too but it would be very dark
15:38 RealBadAngel celeron55, ok patch is up again with changes you proposed, and that typo fixed
15:39 RealBadAngel code of course tested with my mod
15:39 PilzAdam     celeron55, the new water is a bit glitchy at the edges
15:41 celeron55    i require a screenshot
15:42 RealBadAngel what shaders are you talkin about?
15:42 celeron55    the shader just lowers all water by 0.2 nodes
15:42 PilzAdam     go to a neighbour node of the water look at the ground and turn around
15:44 PilzAdam     http://www.zimg.eu/i/2462840433 and http://www.zimg.eu/i/1603990623
15:45 celeron55    wtf
15:45 celeron55    oh i see
15:48 celeron55    fix'd
15:50 celeron55    RealBadAngel: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/shaders_v4
15:50 PilzAdam     yep, it works
15:53 PilzAdam     celeron55, are the shaders client or server side?
15:53 celeron55    client, of course
15:55 celeron55    some kind of could be loaded from a server too, but it doesn't make much sense because a new shader generally needs at least new parameters to be passed to it from the main program too, and anything fancier requires special rendering steps etc
15:57 * PilzAdam   watchs a vid of the GLSL shader mod for MC
15:57 darkrose     dammit, I should've got a screenshot before that last shaders fix, was epicly bad
16:16 celeron55    deserts look relatively awesome with this lighting improvement
16:18 PilzAdam     yea, the lighting shader has the most effect on sand
16:19 celeron55    http://misc.minetest.net/screenshot_1463910756.png
16:22 RealBadAngel but somethin is wrong with the water
16:23 celeron55    how so
16:24 RealBadAngel hold on for screenshot
16:25 celeron55    well, probably because it just lowers it
16:25 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/underwater.png
16:25 RealBadAngel it also flashes
16:25 RealBadAngel when youre lookin at from sharp angle
16:25 celeron55    smaller image please, i'm on limited cell network
16:25 RealBadAngel not when staright at
16:27 celeron55    or how big is that... hell, i can't know if i don't load it
16:27 PilzAdam     1360x768
16:27 celeron55    i don't see a problem in that image
16:28 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/underwater1.png
16:28 celeron55    except that there are bubbles underwater
16:28 celeron55    nothing
16:28 RealBadAngel it flashes
16:29 PilzAdam     not for me
16:29 celeron55    *what* flashes?
16:29 RealBadAngel when you have it on the edge of the screen, whole are is badly rendered
16:29 RealBadAngel with glithces and flashing lines whatever
16:31 PilzAdam     If water flowing is behind a source block its randomly shown or hidden
16:31 PilzAdam     if i move the camera it changes
16:31 RealBadAngel those water cubes you can see on the picture
16:32 RealBadAngel i came to this area because i saw from far its randomly flashing all the time with werid graphics artifacts
16:32 PilzAdam     but this also appears in the current master
16:32 PilzAdam     its because Minetest doesnt have alpha sorting or something like that
16:33 RealBadAngel those lowered water nodes (extra visible, which is wrong imho) are flashing
16:33 PilzAdam     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/200
16:33 RealBadAngel not the water itself
16:35 RealBadAngel from certain angles they dissapear
16:36 RealBadAngel on the others that 0.2 part of node tries to be shown
16:36 RealBadAngel and is flashing
16:36 RealBadAngel find some sea and fly around a little
16:37 PilzAdam     I did, but I didnt noticed anything like this (except what i said above)
16:38 RealBadAngel dunno, here the missing 0.2 part is tryin to be show on dirt nodes
16:38 RealBadAngel and it looks horrible
16:39 RealBadAngel all those extra visible water nodes are causing this
16:41 RealBadAngel celeron55, so my patch is ok now?
16:41 celeron55    those who can, do; those who can't, complain. 8)
16:41 celeron55    RealBadAngel: a moment
16:42 darkrose     to counter the whingers :p I seem to be getting slightly better performance off the shader branch... which seems odd, but awesome
16:43 celeron55    the indentation is screwed at parts
16:44 celeron55    505, 837, 838
16:45 celeron55    and i guess 539, 541
16:45 Calinou      darkrose: shaders can be faster than fixed-function on some GPUs
16:45 darkrose     yeah, but my graphics card predates electricity
16:46 celeron55    what is it
16:46 darkrose     ... maybe not that old, ati r600 I think
16:47 Calinou      ati, understandable
16:48 Calinou      well some nvidia gpus eat a lot of electricity too :)
16:48 darkrose     r700
16:48 celeron55    apparently ati did some shader-related architecture rework to that
16:48 celeron55    so i guess it's optimized for shaders then
16:50 darkrose     about a 5-10 fps boost at almost hd (1920x1038) resolution
16:56 RealBadAngel celeron55, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/320  fixed it
17:05 celeron55    lol, you left two
17:07 celeron55    quality, my dear RBA! you fail at it 8)
17:07 sfan5[iPod]  What?
17:09 darkrose     and it's removing things from the docs that it shouldn't
17:09 celeron55    looks so
17:11 RealBadAngel where??
17:11 celeron55    the change in lua_api.txt
17:11 PilzAdam     https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/ceeee48689c691eb91fb39b6c02720ae89482686#L0L460
17:13 RealBadAngel ehhh
17:13 RealBadAngel im remakin the patch all the time because some is changin the files...
17:15 PilzAdam     why dont you use branches?
17:15 RealBadAngel you dont want to have multiple commits
17:16 RealBadAngel so i have to rebuild it from scratch each change to not have commits history
17:17 PilzAdam     this doesnt answer my question
17:17 RealBadAngel change over changed file makes two changes to it
17:18 RealBadAngel and is recorded
17:18 darkrose     learn to use rebase
17:18 RealBadAngel dont have such feature here
17:18 darkrose     you have git? you have rebase
17:18 PilzAdam     you still use GUI?
17:20 RealBadAngel theres such option, just found it
17:25 celeron55    1) make new commit to fix stuff, 2) use rebase to squash them together, 3) ???, 4) PROFIT!
17:30 darkrose     5) lose it all in tax
17:35 celeron55    i don't even know if i'm playing minetest or minecraft anymore because the change made the block rendering practically identical
17:35 celeron55    or, well, addition
17:36 celeron55    + 3d players...
17:36 celeron55    i have feared this day would come
17:36 celeron55    where are the creepers?
17:37 PilzAdam     whats about the faster game start branch?
17:39 celeron55    well, actually i can tell this from minecraft even if the hud is hidden, because minecraft has those insane color variations when you place torches in dark
17:39 RealBadAngel celeron55, posted it again. its triple checked all over
17:39 celeron55    PilzAdam: the branch should be tested more to find out if the way the on-demand loading happens annoys people
17:40 celeron55    or, well... i guess it could be made configurable
17:40 PilzAdam     the only bug i found was the creative inventory thing
17:41 RealBadAngel how it was affected?
17:43 PilzAdam     if the creative inv is opened or a new page is selected the screen turns black for 0.1 s. or so
17:43 PilzAdam     but only first time after loading the map
17:43 darkrose     should next release be still 0.4.x or first of the 0.5 series? there's a quite a few new things in there now to maybe qualifiy for a version bump: anaglyph, models, shaders (?), filtering, etc.
17:44 PilzAdam     then farming has to be merged
17:47 PilzAdam     celeron55, i installed a MC TP...
17:52 celeron55    darkrose: no. the version will be raised to 0.5 based on compatiblity and the underlying framework
17:54 celeron55    if i end up for example reworking the network stack to use TCP instead of UDP, that would be a reason for 0.5
17:55 celeron55    PilzAdam: screenshot!
17:56 darkrose     alright, I just figured this was a good chance for a big "look what's new"
17:56 celeron55    it is, but that doesn't require special version numbers
17:57 PilzAdam     celeron55, wich resolution max?
17:57 Calinou      UDP is not for games.. higher latency
17:58 celeron55    Calinou: you're as wrong as you could be
17:58 celeron55    PilzAdam: dunno, something 1000-ish
17:58 PilzAdam     1920x1080: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3294693692
18:00 PilzAdam     1022x676: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3709863832
18:00 Calinou      TCP resends lost packets, this means it is slower..
18:00 celeron55    Calinou: UDP is bad if you have to make reliable transfer; TCP is bad if you don't need reliable transfer
18:01 celeron55    altough TCP is so highly tuned that in case of minetest it wouldn't actually matter so much
18:01 celeron55    that is why i am considering it
18:09 celeron55    i think somebody should experiment with tree generation
18:09 PilzAdam     Lua?
18:09 celeron55    just... making the default trees taller, and making them like two types
18:10 celeron55    no lua
18:10 PilzAdam     :(
18:11 jin_xi       you can prototype something in lua to tune it?
18:13 PilzAdam     celeron55, what do you mean "like two types"?
18:13 PilzAdam     two different tree types?
18:23 * VanessaE   mumbles something about jungles ;)
18:26 celeron55    PilzAdam: yes
18:26 celeron55    jin_xi: well, obviously
18:27 celeron55    but the end result needs to be implemented in C++ at the moment becasue there is no other way to make them without cogging the server thread too much
18:29 celeron55    so, are there volunteers for implementing an "enable shaders" toggle switch to the configuration menu? it should set enable_shaders to 0 or 2 based on a checkbox (1 doesn't do anything useful at the moment)
18:30 celeron55    your employment benefits include [X] allowed to pick position of checkbox, [ ] pay
18:31 celeron55    [X] alloped to play in work hours
18:31 celeron55    w*
18:31 celeron55    [ ] no NDA
18:31 celeron55    umm...-no
18:33 celeron55    wtf
18:33 celeron55    is this some kind of a joke
18:34 celeron55    the indentation is even more wrong now
18:34 celeron55    RealBadAngel: ^
18:34 celeron55    maybe i'll just fix it...
18:53 celeron55    it's there now https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/f4b7e1a5707850aad9f6c122c05de4d2f9ede074
18:55 celeron55    so i guess my next "job" is to add the configuration checkbox for shaders and on-demand item image generation; unless somebody else does them
18:55 celeron55    checkboxes*
19:00 celeron55    those can be done in a completely different branch, they have to just set the settings enable_shaders=0/2 and, say, enable_on_demand_item_images=false/true
20:56 kaeza        hello
20:56 KikaRz       hi
20:56 kaeza        hi again :)
21:16 jin_xi       celeron55: i attempted to add said checkboxes. could this work? http://pastebin.com/GcEmebrV
21:22 celeron55    rename the shaders setting to enable_shaders, then it should be directly compatible with the shader branch
21:22 celeron55    i guess i can cram all those together tonight then... well, at least try
21:39 jin_xi       like so? http://pastebin.com/zpfM1imn
22:08 jin_xi       https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/322
22:54 Taoki        FYI: I'm going to push some code on a GIT branch soon, which checks if any property in player / entity position changed before sending it between client and server. So players who don't move in any way won't waste bandwidth on either side. Hope it can still be tested and added in tome for 0.4.4
22:55 Taoki        My last change should be ready in some minutes
22:55 Taoki        But basically, perfectly still players won't waste any bandwidth any more. Neither client sending to server or server sending to clients. Should be helpful on low connections when there are many players around
22:56 celeron55    have you modified the server side in any way? because i think it should automatically stop sending anything if the client doesn't send anything
22:56 celeron55    without modification
22:57 Taoki        Both client and server. Since from what I seen either will send even if nothing has changed
22:57 Taoki        For the server I used fields which were already there too so it doesn't add much
22:57 celeron55    then i don't think it will be ready in some minutes 8)
22:58 Taoki        eg: lua entities has a last_position field already, which I can usually check against current position
22:58 Taoki        nah, this one is easy. But I'll push on GIT soon so it can be checked
23:00 celeron55    i have a bunch of cleaned up commits here that add on-demand item visual generation, shaders and configuration options for both
23:00 celeron55    i guess i'll just push...
23:01 Taoki        Shaders? :o
23:02 celeron55    read the channel log
23:04 Taoki        wow :D I ned to check that out really soon
23:04 Taoki        If the screenshots PitzAdam posted are of that, it's very pretty
23:10 celeron55    and i pushed it now
23:13 Taoki        Need to finish my code and try :D
23:13 Taoki        Thanks!
23:13 Taoki        For coding it that is
23:18 Taoki        BTW, about what you said earlier. MineTest isn't really going to become a copy of MineCraft. I don't want that either... but at the same time I do want to keep all the good elements (hence the same player model style). Firstly, MT is an engine with scripting, while MineCraft is an entity in one big jar file. Also, many features will kmake it different soon. The shader support right now is one.
23:26 Taoki        celeron55: My position sending check branch is done. Alsom merged latest master with the shaders in it. https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/tree/send_position_check
23:26 celeron55    you should use rebase for feature branches
23:27 Taoki        Will keep in mind from now. In another project where I used GIT for years, we always did merge master, so I picked up that habit
23:27 celeron55    i can't even find your other commit from there
23:28 Taoki        Anyway that code is simple and should likely be bug free. I already tested it with local server and 2 clients and position is updated well
23:28 Taoki        Sorry. It's two commits only
23:28 Taoki        https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/commit/332175b40d601e023cf91d279fe149a113b6bfb6
23:28 Taoki        https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/commit/14409e115eced2f76670e7cc8f069a25d67c347f
23:29 celeron55    the out m_position_not_sent in the upstream version content_sao.cpp
23:30 celeron55    it won't send anything unless the client has updated the position
23:30 celeron55    s/the out/check out/ (wtf?)
23:30 celeron55    so only the client commit is relevant
23:30 Taoki        Ah, I understand. Is that the case for both players and lua entities? Is it a sure thing also? Need to look where that happens
23:31 Taoki        But sure, in that case pick only that commit
23:32 celeron55    LuaEntitySAO also has a check already
23:33 Taoki        Can't seem to be finding the lines for that, but you know best
23:36 celeron55    by the way, i don't like the faster digging animation that got merged from jordan4ibanez
23:37 Taoki        Can't say I'm crazy about it either
23:37 celeron55    you can't even move a hand or a tool that fast
23:37 thexyz       celeron55: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/client/shaders/test_shader_2/.opengl_fragment.glsl.swo
23:38 Taoki        Anyway, I can confirm shaders are working. I can see the upper part being lit more strongly :) But, the sun light isn't directional yet (yes, I know it can't all be done at once, not meaning to rush)
23:38 celeron55    thexyz: lol
23:38 Taoki        This should also make colored lighting more consistent. Though I think that should be implemented for both voxel lighting and shader one... but we'll see later, not there yet
23:38 thexyz       shouldn't every liquid be lowered down? (like water)
23:39 celeron55    thexyz: it's a stupid hack and is just applied to everything that would be transparent like water
23:39 celeron55    has to be fixed some day
23:39 Taoki        Wow, water IS lower too. Been waitint gof that
23:39 Taoki        I'm so loving the latest changes <3
23:40 thexyz       lava + water now looks funny http://i.imgur.com/YftV3.png
23:40 celeron55    switch off shaders if you don't like it, goddamnit
23:41 thexyz       i didn't say that
23:41 celeron55    it's not like it'd be even supposed to work 8)
23:41 Taoki        Anyway: Shader lighting should also make another feature in my models code possible... material colors. Someone should test that out, I think I will
23:43 Taoki        Ah, it doesn't yet. Entities aren't subject to shaders, only the world
23:44 Taoki        *shader lighting
23:46 celeron55    if regular modern opengl lighting is 1 and the traditional minetest lighting is 0, this one is 0.02
23:46 Taoki        Added a line to player.lua locally to make players red... will see if it works when players use shader lighting too. Typically it should... that feature sets all material colors and shouldn't fail unless of an irrlicht bug
23:46 celeron55    it does almost nothing more
23:47 celeron55    don't expect to have anything better in a looooooong time
23:47 Taoki        Better no. Though I assume lights can be given a direction, so the sun can shine from proper angles later on and such
23:48 celeron55    what?
23:49 Taoki        I mean light coming from the sun / moon's positions on the sky. So not the top surface of clocks is necessarily lit, but those toward where the sun is facing as it basses by
23:49 Taoki        Same story for torches
23:49 celeron55    that torch thing is practically impossible for now
23:50 Taoki        That's ok. Not expecting everything at once so yeah :)
23:50 Taoki        Totally a good start either way
23:50 Taoki        Will shaders work on 0.4.3 servers (and GIT servers before the shaders update)?
23:51 celeron55    ehm
23:51 celeron55    why would they not
23:51 celeron55    it's just a rendering thing
23:51 Taoki        Right. Wasn't sure if the server had to add new light sources for the sky or something
23:55 Taoki        Hmm... I was expecting this uses addLightSceneNode server-side. Makes sense it isn't... shader lighting is probably not defined in the code at all
23:56 celeron55    it doesn't use anything that anyone would call "shader lighting"
23:56 Taoki        How's it work without an addLightSceneNode then?
23:56 celeron55    because shaders are freely programmable
23:57 celeron55    they are just programs that take some input and do stuff and make some output
23:57 celeron55    if i want to brighten the topside of stuff, i just check if the normals point up and brighten it in that case
23:58 celeron55    dead simple 8)
23:59 celeron55    then if you want to do shadows or so, you need to make an extra render step to render from the light source and do some mathemagic
23:59 Taoki        ah... right. You make the upper part brighter in a shader. I was silly and thought it now has dynamic lighting with fildering for shininbg inside caves. I'm slow to catch up sometimes :P
23:59 celeron55    the level of non-simpleness pretty much skyrockets