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hmmmm |
should WATER_LEVEL really be a constant? |
| 05:02 |
hmmmm |
hrmm |
| 05:02 |
hmmmm |
i guess i'll use WATER_LEVEL and replace it with g_water_level or something later on |
| 05:03 |
hmmmm |
I want it really to be a member of a Mapgen object, but it's used in server.cpp and farmesh.cpp too |
| 05:04 |
hmmmm |
server for finding the spawn pos, that can be easily remedied, and Farmesh for some farmesh stuff. farmesh is quite useless. |
| 05:17 |
OldCoder |
All developers: I am accepting MT server or client patches in diff -ruN format. |
| 05:17 |
OldCoder |
This is not quite a fork. I will try to remain synchronized with upstream and possibly some of the forks. |
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| 17:39 |
hmmmm |
A future enhancement, I think it'd be way better if textures were externally stored in one big image and cut while being loaded |
| 17:40 |
hmmmm |
it'd be faster of course because less filesystem work |
| 17:40 |
hmmmm |
also faster transmission over the network because there's the potential for a png to compress better if it had more information to compress |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
suddenly: mods |
| 17:40 |
hmmmm |
of course, there will be some utilities to coalese/extract/set the images |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
suddenly: texture packs have to be remade |
| 17:41 |
hmmmm |
calinou, the beauty of this is that a texture pack now only consists of a single .png image |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
that can be done by server once at startup |
| 17:42 |
hmmmm |
the coalese? sure |
| 17:42 |
hmmmm |
but the client still needs to cut it |
| 18:03 |
Calinou |
hmmmm: I said: "mods" |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
<hmmmm> also faster transmission over the network because there's the potential for a png to compress better if it had more information to compress |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
not if it's not "8-bit able" |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
a full set of textures is rarely 8-bit-able |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
a single 16x16 texture always is :P |
| 18:04 |
hmmmm |
huh? |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
and not all of them would require an alpha layer |
| 18:04 |
hmmmm |
WTF is "8 bit able" |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
tried optipng? |
| 18:04 |
hmmmm |
no idea what that is |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
if a texture has < 256 colors, it can be turned to 8 bit color |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
> less size |
| 18:05 |
hmmmm |
you mean 8 bit color palette |
| 18:07 |
hmmmm |
alright, you made your case |
| 18:07 |
hmmmm |
i personally just think it's messier with all these texture files, and you can't deny that it takes longer to load from disk |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
remember: what if a mod needs a lot of textures... hardware texture size might be reached |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
especially with HD textures |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
old GPUs have 4096 limit, today's have 16384 limit |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
or 8192 |
| 18:14 |
hmmmm |
you'd make a texture out of the chopped up images, not the entire texture image |
| 18:14 |
hmmmm |
besides, 16384 what? |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
pixels :P |
| 18:15 |
hmmmm |
usually 3d engines will have an 'x, y, width, height' version of load_texture so you can do exactly this except even more easily |
| 18:15 |
hmmmm |
idk if irrlicht does |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
I think individual textures are better for moddability too |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
less bitchiness when there are missing textures |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
I bet you want to make one "texture sheet" per mod? |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
you'd have to specify the locations of textures by hand too in the mods |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
:| |
| 18:16 |
hmmmm |
alright well here's the problem |
| 18:16 |
hmmmm |
mods are messy |
| 18:17 |
hmmmm |
at the very least somebody ought to make a script to register changes in default textures |
| 18:17 |
hmmmm |
well the script would take care of the entire mod "installation" and "deinstallation" process |
| 18:17 |
hmmmm |
rename the original textures, move them somewhere, put in the new textures from the mod, have a file that tracks which mods changed what to what |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
too complicated, IMO, the current way mods work is just fine, the only thing I don't like is the over-zealousness of mod folder names, they must be named correctly but there's no enforcement for modpack names... |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
I call INCONSISTENCY |
| 18:32 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html |
| 18:33 |
OldCoder |
Windows clients updated today. I wish to build Linux clients now. I have done so often but have a question... |
| 18:33 |
OldCoder |
Can anybody tell me how to make a deb that forces installs of dependencies? I can make a deb but it doesn't do that. |
| 18:34 |
hmmmm |
that has nothing to do with engine development, take it to #minetest-delta |
| 18:34 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: change the control file of your .deb |
| 18:39 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, Obviously. The question is how. I lack the time to learn Debian intricacies. But ty. |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: "Depends:libirrlicht,abcde" should do it |
| 18:40 |
OldCoder |
I have lines like that. They don't force automatic installs. Thank you and I'll research the matter further. |
| 18:41 |
thexyz |
OldCoder: did you read the channel /topic? |
| 18:41 |
OldCoder |
I thought I was told the topic elsewhere. Hold on. |
| 18:41 |
OldCoder |
Core. Packaging is not considered core, then? |
| 18:42 |
OldCoder |
If not, fine. This was not clear to me. |
| 18:43 |
hmmmm |
PLEASE go away. |
| 18:43 |
OldCoder |
I'll raise a definite core issue in a few minutes. That one is interesting and possibly fun. Be back in a bit. |
| 18:56 |
OldCoder |
Question about core. I'd like to give every player their own avatar. I've got a good character in my worlds but we need more than one. content_sao.cpp IIRC chooses player.png. Can nick be retrieved in that code? If so I may try to do the following: |
| 18:56 |
OldCoder |
nick = getnicksomehow(); |
| 18:56 |
OldCoder |
usepng = "player.png"; |
| 18:56 |
OldCoder |
altpng = sprintf whatever player_%s.png, nick |
| 18:56 |
OldCoder |
if (fileexists (altpng)) usepng = altpng; |
| 18:57 |
OldCoder |
If this works, then we can have dragons and warriors and nekos and not just one minetoons kid |
| 18:57 |
OldCoder |
Opinions Oh Core Devs? |
| 18:57 |
OldCoder |
:-) |
| 18:58 |
hmmmm |
it's simple, but useless because we plan to put in 3d models for players some time soon |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
hmmmm: i thought he ignored you |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
OldCoder: that could be done by a mod, afaik |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: can mods change the player image? |
| 19:11 |
hmmmm |
thexyz, he still did? ignoring people over irc is not a good solution because you miss out on context in conversations |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
hmmmm: dunno |
| 19:11 |
hmmmm |
i don't really understand why he ignored me in the first place anyway |
| 19:11 |
hmmmm |
he's being pretty childish. |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
sfan5: at least, for some time there was a mod included in minimal which repeatedly swapped player's sprite with cube and vice versa |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
right |
| 19:14 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, sfan5 I believe they can |
| 19:14 |
OldCoder |
But FWIW this looks like about just 10 lines of C code |
| 19:19 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, sfan5 Do any copies of the old mod exist? |
| 19:19 |
OldCoder |
I count that as a "core" question because I am considering changes to content_sao.cpp |
| 19:20 |
thexyz |
if that could be made as a mod, that should be made as a mod |
| 19:25 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, I agree |
| 19:26 |
OldCoder |
Hence the question but perhaps not appropriate for the core dev channel; does anybody recall the name of the old mod? |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder, thexyz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/games/minimal/mods/experimental/init.lua#L14 |
| 19:26 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, I thank you |
| 19:26 |
hmmmm |
also, OldCoder talks way too much |
| 19:27 |
sfan5 |
if it can change the drawtype it should be able to change the image |
| 19:27 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 19:27 |
OldCoder |
But it may be simpler just to override player.png at startup time |
| 19:27 |
OldCoder |
and player_back.png |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
umm |
| 19:44 |
OldCoder |
It's fine; this will work out over time |
| 19:44 |
OldCoder |
Though it would be fun to be able to say /me dragon at runtime :-) |
