Time Nick Message 08:59 cornernote c55 - any chance of a link from minetest.net to api.minetest.net ? 09:16 celeron55 cornernote: done 09:20 cornernote awesome! thanks 09:21 cornernote as i said in PM... with all the goings on, i hope it gives you inspiration to do more MT 09:21 cornernote you were very active before i came, and i never had a chance to really do anything with you 09:22 cornernote or to see you in action :) 09:34 cornernote celeron55, what are your thoughts on the site at gamewiki.minetest.net ? 09:34 cornernote worth linking from the main site, or its too rough still ? 09:37 celeron55 that looks fairly good; it has improved somewhat from the last time i saw it 09:38 celeron55 i don't know where it should be pointed to though 09:39 celeron55 i guess the most descriptive name to that would be "minetest_game content" 09:40 cornernote i built it due to a desire to learn all the crafts, and i assume most people would use it for that too 09:40 celeron55 also, it shouldn't be called "wiki" because it is not a wiki 09:40 cornernote i know :S 09:40 celeron55 wiki is something users can edit 09:40 cornernote i coulnt think of a better name 09:41 cornernote i was trying to emulate something like this - http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main 09:41 celeron55 hmm, i guess it could be called shortly "Items and crafts" 09:41 cornernote im cool with a rename of the project, if you can think of a better name 09:41 celeron55 because that is the point of it, altough it contains other stuff too 09:41 cornernote what sub/domain should it be on? 09:41 celeron55 or even shorter as "crafts" 09:42 cornernote crafts.minetest.net ? 09:42 cornernote sleep on it 09:42 celeron55 titling it as "Minetest items & crafts" and using that domain would make sense i guess 09:43 cornernote theres no rush, let me know what you decide tomorrow 09:43 celeron55 and it'd be just "Crafts" in the main site (like the new "API") 09:44 cornernote yep, and although it lists items, etc.. the only reason they want to go there is to see the crafts 09:44 celeron55 let's let other people read this and comment/vote about it 09:44 cornernote calling it that makes sense 09:44 cornernote ok 09:47 celeron55 the americans should wake up and the europeans should get back from work/school in roughly 4 hours 8) 09:48 cornernote who manages wiki.minetest.com ? 09:48 celeron55 (more like 5 or 6, actually) 09:48 celeron55 umm... i don't even know 09:51 celeron55 it's "the minetest.com guy", he has a nick too but i don't recall it 09:51 cornernote ok 09:51 cornernote you have a minetest.org guy now too 09:52 cornernote he's setting up 100,000 servers 09:52 cornernote OldCoder 09:52 celeron55 oh that one 8) 09:52 celeron55 that's interesting 09:53 cornernote don't take your eye off this too long, its starting to really get momentum 09:53 cornernote Minetest in general i mean 09:54 cornernote although its open source, plenty of open source companies make a good living for many owners and staff 09:54 cornernote just have to have volume, and then market to a few 09:55 cornernote p.s. i'd love to code minetest stuff all day 09:55 cornernote so if you have any job openings for a skilled php/mysql dev... ;) 09:57 celeron55 while i could readily point you to do a million things, i have nothing to pay with 8) 09:58 cornernote if MT had the same community as MC, although its open source, you could still make money from it 09:58 cornernote i think anyway.... and not just a few bucks, but real money 10:00 celeron55 well, there would be a real money-making model in setting up a trusted authentication server like MC has, with cheap-but-paid accounts and including direct support in upstream for it 10:01 celeron55 (it makes griefers a lot less of a pain on public servers, because they can't just make an account after another) 10:01 cornernote yep, that kind of model 10:01 cornernote but i would suggest something more like this... 10:01 cornernote keep the game free, and put some servers online for free (limit connections or whatever) 10:02 cornernote then sell things ingame 10:02 cornernote land 10:02 cornernote special items 10:02 cornernote whatever 10:02 celeron55 that's the "MMO way", as i call it 10:02 cornernote yeah 10:02 cornernote i see that being a better way to model it 10:03 cornernote but there can be multiple ways.. 10:03 cornernote can also have premium servers 10:03 cornernote where they have more users allowed online per world 10:03 cornernote perhaps paid events 10:04 cornernote multiple models is good, but focus most on the one you think is the best one 10:04 cornernote also, can extend to mods... 10:04 cornernote could have a mod u have to buy 10:04 celeron55 i'll probably not get interested enough for actually making and setting up such though 10:04 cornernote but thats not really the spirit of open source 10:05 celeron55 maybe my business model is to wait people to do it on their own and then sell them consultancy and customization :-D 10:05 cornernote but your getting a little interested, just talking to me about it... otherwise you would be afk and not respond 10:06 cornernote make the code so complex that people are addicted to the game, and they need you to custom code things 10:06 celeron55 talk is just talk; it tends to be very far from actually doing anything 10:07 cornernote true 10:08 cornernote but talk aside, a lot has been achieved on the MT project 10:08 cornernote and honostly, im just trying to get you interested in coding MT more... there is no c++ dev to do what you do :( 10:09 cornernote maybe you are at your limit of knowledge of 3d gaming ? ;) 10:09 * cornernote is a funny guy 10:11 celeron55 darkrose might be capable of doing some deeper C++ development 10:11 cornernote havent seen her for ages 10:11 cornernote she's mia 10:12 celeron55 i asked some weeks back what she's up to; she said she might get back sometime but isn't interested at that moment 10:12 cornernote i look at MC, on the ipad, and because of the 3d mobs it looks 100 times better than MT .. but i know its just a couple of simple things 10:13 cornernote MT IS BETTER, but right now it doesnt look/play better 10:13 cornernote mods/textures will get us 90% of the way, and community will do that 10:14 cornernote minetest_game is being actively developed my PilzAdam 10:14 celeron55 afaik much of what 3d mobs need has been implemented, but it requires some serious skill to pull the needed things together from various repos, filling the gaps and making it work 10:15 cornernote yep, thats where you come in 10:15 celeron55 well, the last 10% is 90% of the job 10:15 cornernote yeah, and the most boring part too 10:15 celeron55 open source has serious problems getting the last 10% done 10:16 celeron55 because it just pain isn't fun at all 10:16 celeron55 plain* 10:16 cornernote yep, i know 10:16 cornernote i had to push myself to finish the api, and its really not done yet from the backend/moderator perspective 10:17 cornernote and it was a *tiny* project 10:17 cornernote how many $ would it take for you to be interested enough to get MC-looking mob objects in MT ? 10:17 cornernote i'd donate, and if we setup a community thing, enough may contribute 10:18 celeron55 i don't really have the time, because i currently have only weekends free, and can't make it to be otherwise easily at all 10:20 celeron55 i'm actually doing this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siviilipalvelus at the moment, coding in a project in the local university 10:21 cornernote "compulsory community service" 10:21 cornernote ? 10:21 cornernote ahh, instead of military service 10:21 cornernote you have to choose one ? 10:22 celeron55 yes, if you don't get an exemption from a doctor 10:23 cornernote no secret MT coding while nobody is looking ? 10:24 celeron55 practically i could, for a bit, but taking donations for that would be just being a dick 10:25 celeron55 this project actually aims for starting a company with some new research, so there's no lack of things to do 10:26 celeron55 unlike in some more general university stuff 10:28 celeron55 most of minetest was made while i was a student and/or only working part-time 10:29 cornernote what do you hope it becomes ? 10:31 celeron55 i hope it somehow evolves to be something that people like; i don't have any locked-down long-term plans 10:32 celeron55 minetest is a series of "crap, i'll just make this" events, combined with a bunch of random polishing 10:34 celeron55 and a bunch of contributions from a bunch of people, the intentions and motivationsof whom i don't really know 10:37 celeron55 currently (in the scale of months), for the little time i use for it, i focus on trying to make sure people who contribute something to minetest get their work somehow available to others 10:40 celeron55 here's the list of things that it basically involves: 10:40 celeron55 1. website 10:40 celeron55 end of list. 8) 11:28 cornernote how about calling the gamewiki "guide" ... guide.minetest.net ? 11:29 cornernote anyone who cares, please leave feedback 11:30 cornernote options are craft.mt or guide.mt .. or leave your own suggestion 11:30 cornernote crafts.mt .. not craft. 13:22 cornernote what does is_ground_content do ? 13:23 thexyz nothing 13:24 thexyz is_ground_content = false, -- Currently not used for anything 13:50 celeron55 it *was* used for some kind of map generation placement stuff... something like so that jungle grass was placed only on walkable nodes that had it set 8) 13:51 celeron55 (quiz: what was that value for cactuses? 8)) 13:56 cornernote so i should ask PilzAdam to remove it from his minetest_game fork ? 13:56 cornernote if we are never going to use it 13:56 cornernote i assume groups is the preferred alternative 13:57 cornernote same with legacy_mineral 13:57 cornernote ? 14:10 cornernote as there was no feedback, i renamed gamewiki to guide for now - http://guide.minetest.net/ 14:11 cornernote maybe can extend it more, so its like a "walkthrough" .. or "player manual" type thing 14:13 thexyz that api site is damn slow 14:14 cornernote its the host :( 14:14 cornernote sorry 14:14 cornernote cheap ass hosting 14:15 cornernote i'll ask OldCoder to host it 14:16 cornernote top - 07:16:11 up 162 days, 16:23, 5 users, load average: 3.62, 4.33, 4.86 14:16 cornernote Tasks: 7 total, 1 running, 6 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie 14:16 cornernote Cpu(s): 61.4%us, 7.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 14.3%id, 14.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 2.9%si, 0.0%st 14:16 cornernote they flog off too many accounts on 1 box 14:18 cornernote its not super slow for me, its not fast tho 14:18 cornernote ~1 second loads 14:20 thexyz 1 second is also damn slow, but for me it's more like 2-5 seconds 14:23 cornernote yeah, when its hosted it will be fast 14:23 cornernote if its not, i'll tune it 14:24 cornernote it should be fast, if its not fast in a few days, let me know again 14:56 cornernote hey 14:56 cornernote PilzAdam 14:56 PilzAdam jup? 14:57 cornernote checkout www.minetest.net, top right 14:57 PilzAdam :D 16:34 VanessaE so, I like how the API is linked to the main page now via cornernote's wiki thing...but the link in the upper right that looks like a few lines - needs a bit of text next to it to indicate that IT is how you get to the actual API 16:37 VanessaE I'd recommend also, a link among the menu that pops up from that button, which points to the raw github version.